| Guest6872 | its a consumer gigabyte am3+ with a 8320e on it | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: you could try re-generating the initrd | 00:01 |
| Guest6872 | i didnt rrealise the cd had borked until i tried to mount a disk 30 mins back | 00:01 |
| Guest6872 | hmm, k | 00:01 |
| filipdevuan | how can i use 1tb hdd??? iv already used 200gb with games and i have no idea how to use more... | 00:01 |
| KatolaZ | update-initramfs -k all | 00:01 |
| Guest6872 | if im doing that, im tempted to upgrade the kernel to backports | 00:01 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: it's generally safe TBH | 00:02 |
| Guest6872 | :) im not scared to regen the imitramfs | 00:02 |
| SuicideJunkie | filipdevuan: You don't need to try to fill a drive. It will naturally fill itself. | 00:02 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: was referring to the backports kernel :P | 00:02 |
| Guest6872 | ahh sorry | 00:02 |
| filipdevuan | i WONDER HOW :P | 00:03 |
| Guest6872 | i want the latest kernel tbh, but need to blacklist speck if i do | 00:03 |
| filipdevuan | do you know any nice linux websites??? | 00:03 |
| filipdevuan | with news? | 00:03 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: backports has 4.16.12 IIRC | 00:04 |
| Guest6872 | thats fine, only 4.17 has speck as a viable block cipher | 00:04 |
| Guest6872 | no need to blacklist it | 00:04 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: I guess the speck thing is only on ARM, right? | 00:05 |
| Guest6872 | dont know, theregister suggested it was for x86 as well | 00:06 |
| Guest6872 | Linus has merged it into 4.17 vanilla afaik | 00:07 |
| Guest6872 | considering the NSA only approves things they can probably backddor, its probably a bad idea to allow it | 00:08 |
| Guest6872 | not that im paranoid or anything :P | 00:08 |
| filipdevuan | are devuan dns default server set to google? | 00:14 |
| KatolaZ | filipdevuan: ? | 00:16 |
| KatolaZ | which default dns? | 00:16 |
| filipdevuan | sorry my question is unclear, iv read something on internet that systemd distros send datas to googles and somebody told me something about default dns set to google on devuan as well | 00:17 |
| KatolaZ | filipdevuan: please report facts :) | 00:17 |
| filipdevuan | about systemd sending stuff to google or devuan?? | 00:17 |
| KatolaZ | I don't care about systemd | 00:18 |
| KatolaZ | I care about devuan | 00:18 |
| KatolaZ | systemd is known for forcing google's DNS if the user does not set one | 00:18 |
| KatolaZ | that's pretty old stuff | 00:18 |
| filipdevuan | it was somebody from this irc i think but im not sure. somebody said its easy to change dns and that its set to default on devuan as well | 00:18 |
| filipdevuan | i mean google | 00:18 |
| KatolaZ | that's something you can check by yourself | 00:18 |
| filipdevuan | how? :P | 00:18 |
| KatolaZ | devuan is never setting your dns by default | 00:19 |
| KatolaZ | if you configure your IP statically, you have to provide a DNS server | 00:19 |
| filipdevuan | if im honest i dont even know whats dns ;P. | 00:19 |
| KatolaZ | if you use dhcp, your dhcp server will give yu a DNS server | 00:19 |
| filipdevuan | but the fact that i read systemd distros dns default is set to google was like oh shit time to get out of systemd | 00:19 |
| KatolaZ | filipdevuan: it's not good to fear something you don't know | 00:20 |
| KatolaZ | well, it's normal, but does not get you anywhere | 00:20 |
| filipdevuan | its not good to talk about dns when i dont really know whats dns and whats dhcp as well lol xD | 00:20 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 00:20 |
| KatolaZ | yep, indeed | 00:20 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 00:20 |
| filipdevuan | the thing is that i hate google and dont wanna have anything to do with them | 00:20 |
| filipdevuan | so when i read about some default dns set to google servers im like omg | 00:21 |
| filipdevuan | another thing that bothers me is the fact that i downloaded internet browser called icecat | 00:21 |
| KatolaZ | filipdevuan: why did you? | 00:21 |
| filipdevuan | but it has so many extensions like anty javascript htmls only that almost everything wont load | 00:21 |
| filipdevuan | im just becoming extremely paranoid about companies taking and selling my data... | 00:22 |
| filipdevuan | do you know what happened few days ago | 00:22 |
| KatolaZ | then filipdevuan you should know what you fear | 00:22 |
| KatolaZ | if you don't, you'll never be sure you are safe | 00:22 |
| filipdevuan | last week somebody on this irc mentioned that e-mail provider protonmail.com which is apparently safe and secure email providers sells its users emails to ad companies and analysics | 00:23 |
| filipdevuan | and some friend wrote me an email few days ago and she mentioned calories burner | 00:23 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 00:23 |
| filipdevuan | and next day im having google ad on internet about calories burner tabs | 00:23 |
| filipdevuan | isnt that fucked up | 00:23 |
| filipdevuan | so i decided to delete protonmail asap | 00:23 |
| filipdevuan | now when i see on internet something is free and secure i know its probably scam | 00:24 |
| Guest6872 | so why not change dns servers in resolv.conf to something of your liking | 00:24 |
| Guest6872 | say opendns | 00:25 |
| Guest6872 | also what are you getting ads on | 00:25 |
| filipdevuan | here is about protonmail https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17258203 | 00:25 |
| filipdevuan | so i reckon all these secure emails are scams and theyre not really secure | 00:26 |
| Guest6872 | i dont get ads on anything since i have ublaock and noscript running with googleads blacklisted | 00:26 |
| filipdevuan | oh the most popular websites that generate thousands millions or billions dollars everyday they always have so many ads | 00:26 |
| Guest6872 | throw in a decent hosts file and you have good coverage | 00:26 |
| filipdevuan | but with libremjs script almost everything doesnt wanna load xD | 00:26 |
| KatolaZ | filipdevuan: reading on the internet won't save you :) | 00:27 |
| Guest6872 | just block the ad companies at /etc/hosts | 00:27 |
| KatolaZ | if you don't understand what you are doing, you are doomed to trust others | 00:27 |
| Guest6872 | so any requests are redirected | 00:28 |
| filipdevuan | its not about that im extremaly bored and and because of reading about companies selling data about me to other companies wihout my permission | 00:28 |
| filipdevuan | i found out about systemd-free system and installed devuan | 00:28 |
| Guest6872 | everyone sells your data | 00:28 |
| filipdevuan | and i realised it runs windows games better than windows lol | 00:28 |
| Guest6872 | systemd has very little to do with that | 00:28 |
| filipdevuan | windows 10 | 00:28 |
| filipdevuan | yeah and this is crap because i dont want to lol. im poor and why would some corporates make money on me all the time | 00:28 |
| Guest6872 | i like sysvinit and thats why im trying this | 00:28 |
| Guest6872 | but im no zealot | 00:29 |
| filipdevuan | google generates billions and billins of dolars because of internet users like me but i generate nothing everyday | 00:29 |
| Guest6872 | well you do have choices | 00:29 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i use searx.me | 00:29 |
| Guest6872 | either deal with it or unplug | 00:29 |
| filipdevuan | but today society is so into youtube nowadays... | 00:29 |
| filipdevuan | why people dont buy records anymore but just listen to music on youtube all the time this is so sad | 00:30 |
| Guest6872 | i dont mind youtube | 00:30 |
| filipdevuan | i do because quality is shit and its google | 00:30 |
| Guest6872 | just vpn everything and that beats that small problem | 00:30 |
| Guest6872 | i watch at hd personally | 00:30 |
| filipdevuan | im not worried about that i dont have solid basics to be anonymous on internet while i use virginmedia internet ;P | 00:30 |
| Guest6872 | but i have fast net | 00:30 |
| filipdevuan | theres no reason for me to be anonymous but im just bored and i like computers so i wanna learn | 00:31 |
| Guest6872 | easiest way to obfuscate is get a vpn/openvpn | 00:31 |
| filipdevuan | its not gonna change anything im still gonna go on same websites | 00:31 |
| Guest6872 | you want anonymity, unplug your router and get a house in the woods | 00:31 |
| filipdevuan | i know that ;D | 00:31 |
| Guest6872 | anonymity you can basically forget about nowadays | 00:32 |
| filipdevuan | its not about anonymity for me its more about why would somebody make money on me all the time when im on internet | 00:32 |
| Guest6872 | unless you go off-grid and take certain steps | 00:32 |
| Guest6872 | because thats how things are nowadays | 00:32 |
| filipdevuan | i dont wanna anybody selling my location data and everything and make money on me | 00:33 |
| filipdevuan | then i dont like it | 00:33 |
| KatolaZ | filipdevuan: then dump your smartphone | 00:33 |
| filipdevuan | i dont have a smartphone | 00:33 |
| Guest6872 | i want to not say tough shit, thats how it is, but.... thats how it | 00:33 |
| filipdevuan | this is why i installed devuan | 00:33 |
| KatolaZ | don't use javascript | 00:33 |
| KatolaZ | don't accept cookies | 00:33 |
| KatolaZ | use tor | 00:33 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i delete them now | 00:33 |
| Guest6872 | devuan isnt going to help you | 00:33 |
| KatolaZ | devuan is not safe dy fedault | 00:33 |
| filipdevuan | it already has helped me xD | 00:33 |
| Guest6872 | the distro isnt the issue | 00:33 |
| KatolaZ | ~default | 00:33 |
| Guest6872 | try tails | 00:33 |
| KatolaZ | try heads | 00:34 |
| KatolaZ | rather | 00:34 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 00:34 |
| filipdevuan | im not fan of tor | 00:34 |
| filipdevuan | its a bit slow | 00:34 |
| KatolaZ | heads is based on devuan | 00:34 |
| Guest6872 | tor is slow | 00:34 |
| filipdevuan | yeah | 00:34 |
| filipdevuan | nah | 00:34 |
| filipdevuan | i already configured vine my gpu drivers here and i play diablo 3 on this devuan OS and it runs amazing | 00:34 |
| filipdevuan | im staying with devuan ;P | 00:34 |
| KatolaZ | https://heads.dyne.org/ | 00:34 |
| Guest6872 | if you are at that level do a vpn on your router, tunnel a second one thorugh it and then tunnel tor through that, that gives you at least 3 hops worth of obfuscation,proibably 5 in total if you believe tors 3 hops | 00:35 |
| filipdevuan | nah im alright with it. Im also in the mindset like im actually willing to give my data to some companies like blizzard corporation that makes games | 00:35 |
| Guest6872 | fk blizzrd | 00:36 |
| filipdevuan | if you check whois here of my profile on irc | 00:36 |
| Guest6872 | there are game companies i donate to | 00:36 |
| filipdevuan | it says virginm it means virginmedia | 00:36 |
| Guest6872 | they are not one of them | 00:36 |
| Guest6872 | i know about virginmedia | 00:36 |
| filipdevuan | and warw18 is warwickshire | 00:36 |
| filipdevuan | how can i mask my location a bit | 00:36 |
| Guest6872 | vpn | 00:37 |
| filipdevuan | just vpn? :P | 00:37 |
| Guest6872 | their are other ways on freenode tbh | 00:37 |
| Guest6872 | look at registering | 00:37 |
| filipdevuan | yeah iv been here for a while and i still dont know if im registered lol | 00:37 |
| filipdevuan | im so dumb xD | 00:37 |
| Guest6872 | but i dont use it enough to be bother authing everytime i come here | 00:37 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i get it | 00:37 |
| Guest6872 | with a cheap vpn, you can make your location random | 00:38 |
| filipdevuan | its ok im just a musician i just play music but iv got too much free time and i spend it on computer | 00:38 |
| Guest6872 | but it does cost money | 00:38 |
| Guest6872 | lol | 00:38 |
| filipdevuan | its not like i have something to hide but when im on computer it would be nice to know whats happening when im browsing internet | 00:39 |
| filipdevuan | or connecting to it, what data am i sending and where etc. etc. | 00:39 |
| Guest6872 | im afraid that comes with experience and paranoia | 00:39 |
| Guest6872 | also a degree in IT helps | 00:39 |
| filipdevuan | yeah im afraid im very paranoic about this stuff. you know in outside world i can say i love google its amazing company but when im on pc im like omg google controlling everythinh fk them | 00:40 |
| Guest6872 | if you use firefox, get noscript and black googleads | 00:40 |
| filipdevuan | yesterday i bought a record in record store and guy from record company has email with @gmail.com im like oh really cant you afford something better than gmail.com xD | 00:40 |
| filipdevuan | well when i dont use icecat i use waterfox so im just gonna get it on there thanks | 00:41 |
| filipdevuan | i mean from the label | 00:42 |
| filipdevuan | so i bought an vinyl that has gmail on it, im like fking hell | 00:42 |
| filipdevuan | a vinyl* | 00:42 |
| Guest6872 | http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.txt - grab that, save it, put it as /etc/hosts | 00:43 |
| Guest6872 | thats probably 90% of the ads eliminated | 00:43 |
| Guest6872 | ive got nowhere with my /dev issue, and apparently i cant get backports to work now | 00:44 |
| filipdevuan | iv been thinking that all of these adblockers on mozilla they probably sell my data as well fking hypocrits | 00:44 |
| filipdevuan | ok cheers | 00:44 |
| filipdevuan | ill have a look | 00:44 |
| KatolaZ | and still filipdevuan, you shouldn't put anything in your /etc/hosts suggested by any random guy on IRC | 00:44 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 00:44 |
| KatolaZ | unless you understand what you are doing | 00:45 |
| Guest6872 | yes thats a fair point | 00:45 |
| KatolaZ | either you are paranoid, or you are not :) | 00:45 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: you see what I mean mate | 00:45 |
| Guest6872 | you should rea dthe website first: http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/ | 00:45 |
| Guest6872 | then make your own mind up | 00:45 |
| Guest6872 | :P | 00:45 |
| filipdevuan | well this is devuan irc so i love you all ;P | 00:46 |
| KatolaZ | no filipdevuan | 00:46 |
| Guest6872 | cheers | 00:46 |
| KatolaZ | you never know who is behind a nickname | 00:46 |
| KatolaZ | unless you know | 00:46 |
| Guest6872 | could be the NSA or CIA :P | 00:46 |
| filipdevuan | yeah well iv met only smart people here | 00:46 |
| filipdevuan | in devuan irc? :P | 00:46 |
| Guest6872 | telling you to sudo rm -rf / | 00:46 |
| filipdevuan | oh no i know what it does | 00:46 |
| filipdevuan | i dont even know this command but i dont know it so i dont use it | 00:47 |
| filipdevuan | xD | 00:47 |
| Guest6872 | dont run that command ever | 00:47 |
| filipdevuan | i know it looks dodgy anyways xD | 00:47 |
| Guest6872 | and dont use sudo | 00:47 |
| filipdevuan | does it just delete data from my linux or mess with bios as well?? | 00:47 |
| Guest6872 | if you need to do something as root, then su - root | 00:47 |
| Guest6872 | and exit after you are done | 00:47 |
| Guest6872 | sudo is a lazy noob way of doing things | 00:48 |
| Guest6872 | for ubuntu users | 00:48 |
| filipdevuan | right iv used like 5 different distros and only devuan managed to run my fav games from windows, so now i wanna be extremely careful with what i do | 00:48 |
| filipdevuan | because im sick of erasing data from my hdd for new os all the time... | 00:48 |
| Guest6872 | games are irrelevant | 00:48 |
| Guest6872 | if you can install steam | 00:48 |
| Guest6872 | then you have games | 00:48 |
| filipdevuan | nah i dont install it | 00:49 |
| filipdevuan | dont like them dont trust them | 00:49 |
| Guest6872 | but not everything will run | 00:49 |
| Guest6872 | i play dying light lot | 00:49 |
| filipdevuan | i think steam could mess with my gpu drivers | 00:49 |
| Guest6872 | a lot* | 00:49 |
| Guest6872 | it doesnt | 00:49 |
| Guest6872 | it relies on it, but doesnt change it | 00:49 |
| filipdevuan | but im not sure i just dont know what it installs on my pc when its updating after installation | 00:49 |
| Guest6872 | if you get an issue with it, its probably mesa related | 00:49 |
| filipdevuan | steam uses googleanalytics from what iv heard so they're forbidden for me | 00:50 |
| filipdevuan | and its close to have monopoly in the PC game industry | 00:50 |
| Guest6872 | maybe it does, but google analytics are blocked at hosts file and router so i dont care | 00:50 |
| filipdevuan | oh yeh | 00:51 |
| Guest6872 | i dont mind the monopoly | 00:51 |
| Guest6872 | no one else has stepped upto the mark to go against them | 00:51 |
| Guest6872 | they had an idea long ago that was a bloody good one | 00:51 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i know but sometimes i wanna go to the shop and buy a pc game and i live somewhere that doesnt have internet connection | 00:51 |
| filipdevuan | and i see that 80% games require steam to activate and what im supposed to do??? | 00:51 |
| Guest6872 | i was one of the first people to get steam back when it was introduced with cs 1.6 | 00:51 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i remember cs 1.5 before steam ;p | 00:52 |
| Guest6872 | still have an a/c with an id in 10k range | 00:52 |
| Guest6872 | but havent played 1.6 in a long time | 00:52 |
| Guest6872 | play source and go nowadays | 00:52 |
| filipdevuan | this is why i quite miss a bit windows XP era there were tons of games on it and no digital era that much it was before smartphones facebooks spotifies netflixes eh.. | 00:53 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i like source | 00:53 |
| Guest6872 | my first lin was redhat 6, long long ago | 00:53 |
| Guest6872 | and zipslack | 00:53 |
| Guest6872 | we are talking possibly 18 years ago | 00:53 |
| filipdevuan | yeah iv had fedora workstationlike 2 weeks ago and i enjoyed it but then i discovered nosystemd.org website and i was like oh fuck i have to get out from this distro | 00:53 |
| Guest6872 | bck then it was a lot harder to make it work | 00:54 |
| golinux | Did you know that #debianfork is for off topic chatter? | 00:54 |
| Guest6872 | fedora is too bloated | 00:54 |
| golinux | Like fedora. ;) | 00:54 |
| Guest6872 | @golinux, no one else is chatting so what does it matter | 00:55 |
| filipdevuan | guest thanks for this hosts website im just reading stuff on it thanks | 00:55 |
| filipdevuan | yeah ill go see this debianfork channel cheers | 00:56 |
| Guest6872 | i actually came here looking for a solution for my /dev issue, but havent got one | 00:56 |
| filipdevuan | what issue is this? | 00:56 |
| Guest6872 | might have to tackle it tomorrow and be done with watchjing next generation re runs | 00:57 |
| Guest6872 | for whatever reason i am missing /dev/ram0 and /dev/cdrom | 00:57 |
| Guest6872 | reboot dfoesnt regenerate them | 00:57 |
| Guest6872 | i can redo with mknod, but thats not the point | 00:58 |
| filipdevuan | sorry id help but i dont know how really ;/ | 00:58 |
| Guest6872 | no its not something you can help with filip | 00:58 |
| filipdevuan | yeah you're right ;P | 00:58 |
| filipdevuan | im not even sure what is folder dev responsible for | 00:58 |
| filipdevuan | devices?? | 00:58 |
| Guest6872 | from everything ive read its an issue with eudev, but i have no experience with eudev | 00:58 |
| Guest6872 | yeah, /dev is essentially that | 00:59 |
| golinux | It fills up the logs with irrelevant information | 00:59 |
| golinux | Guest6872: ^^^ | 01:00 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: tries to regenerate initramfs? | 01:00 |
| KatolaZ | s/ries/ried | 01:00 |
| golinux | Makes it very had to catch up with devuan-relevant posts. | 01:00 |
| Guest6872 | next thing on the list to do | 01:00 |
| golinux | had > hard | 01:00 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: it would be strange, but it might solve the problem | 01:00 |
| KatolaZ | especially if you say it worked on slackware | 01:01 |
| Guest6872 | cant get backports to work either | 01:01 |
| Guest6872 | i thought all you had to add was release-backports to sources | 01:01 |
| KatolaZ | apt-get update | 01:01 |
| Guest6872 | ie, ascii-backports | 01:01 |
| KatolaZ | after that | 01:01 |
| KatolaZ | yes | 01:01 |
| KatolaZ | and then apt-get update | 01:01 |
| Guest6872 | then run update | 01:02 |
| golinux | https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list | 01:02 |
| Guest6872 | but it doesnt show anything, then when i try and add in the 4.16 kernel it errors | 01:02 |
| golinux | Make sure you have the correct sources. | 01:02 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: apt-cache policy linux-image-4.16.0-0.bpo | 01:02 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: also "it errors" is not useful | 01:04 |
| Guest6872 | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii ascii-backports main non-free | 01:04 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: nope | 01:04 |
| Guest6872 | is something wrong with that? | 01:04 |
| KatolaZ | you should use deb.devuan.org | 01:04 |
| Guest6872 | lol | 01:04 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 01:04 |
| KatolaZ | and | 01:05 |
| KatolaZ | the line is wrong | 01:05 |
| KatolaZ | it should be | 01:05 |
| filipdevuan | first thing that i really wanna learn how to is to set my own email domain and engine and server for it | 01:05 |
| KatolaZ | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main | 01:05 |
| golinux | Guest6872: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list | 01:05 |
| KatolaZ | (i.e., remove the " ascii" after "/merged" ) | 01:05 |
| KatolaZ | Guest6872: ^^^ | 01:06 |
| filipdevuan | guest6872: so basically im supposed to paste all data from the .txt file u sent me to hosts?? | 01:07 |
| KatolaZ | gotta go | 01:07 |
| filipdevuan | good night ;P | 01:07 |
| KatolaZ | filipdevuan: if you don't know what you are doing, is better to not do anything ;) | 01:07 |
| KatolaZ | o/ | 01:07 |
| golinux | \o | 01:07 |
| filipdevuan | yeah ;d | 01:07 |
| Guest6872 | filip, if you dont understand how to do it, don't | 01:08 |
| filipdevuan | i kind of want to ;D | 01:08 |
| filipdevuan | oh yeah access denied xD | 01:09 |
| filipdevuan | i usually edit txt files with nano but... ;D | 01:09 |
| filipdevuan | i should just go to sleep... | 01:13 |
| Guest6872 | su - | 01:22 |
| Guest6872 | nano -w /etc/hosts | 01:23 |
| Guest6872 | then highlight all the text in the page, go back to the nano window and middle button on the mouse to paste it in | 01:23 |
| Guest6872 | ctrl x + y to save | 01:24 |
| Guest6872 | but sleep is also good | 01:24 |
| Guest6872 | or you could save hosts.txt to say $home | 01:24 |
| Guest6872 | then cp /home/foo/hosts.txt /etc/hosts | 01:25 |
| Guest6872 | replace foo with your home directory | 01:25 |
| filipdevuan | i also have 127.0.1.1 devuan in my hosts file | 01:28 |
| Guest6872 | probably your hostname | 01:29 |
| Guest6872 | change it to something more memorable | 01:29 |
| Guest6872 | brb, going to try the new initramfs | 01:30 |
| filipdevuan | okay done | 01:33 |
| guest1234 | fixed /dev, sort of | 01:40 |
| guest1234 | thanks golinux and KatolaZ | 01:41 |
| guest1234 | filip, i dont really know what to suggest for you | 01:42 |
| guest1234 | if you are new to linux, then read howtoforge, linuxquestions, and absorb as much information as possible | 01:42 |
| guest1234 | learning linux takes time (read that as many years) | 01:42 |
| filipdevuan | i know i know im just searching stuff on internet about linux right now ;) | 01:43 |
| filipdevuan | my first linux experience was in 2013 that was ubuntu and i really enjoyed it, but now i know that canonical works with microsoft so i dont think ubuntu is the way to go anymore... | 01:43 |
| filipdevuan | anyways i really enjoyed gnome desktop environment | 01:43 |
| guest1234 | i wasnt competent for probably 2 years after i first installed, and spent the first 9 months running console only | 01:43 |
| guest1234 | i use fluxbox | 01:44 |
| filipdevuan | but last time i installed KDE on my devuan laptop i had some issues with it like couldnt set the brightness anywhere | 01:44 |
| guest1234 | fluxbox is minimal and doesnt use many resources | 01:44 |
| guest1234 | but its not for new users | 01:44 |
| guest1234 | xfce is a ncie compromise | 01:44 |
| guest1234 | try that out | 01:44 |
| filipdevuan | yeah xfce is devuan default | 01:44 |
| guest1234 | mate isnt bad either | 01:45 |
| guest1234 | gnome and kde are too bloated | 01:45 |
| filipdevuan | yeah im new user and i dont wanna test new distros now when i got diablo 3 running pretty well and it took me like one day to configure everything for it... ;P | 01:45 |
| filipdevuan | yeah kde is bloated... | 01:45 |
| filipdevuan | i agree | 01:45 |
| SuicideJunkie | Did you write down what packages and such you needed for it? | 01:45 |
| guest1234 | they build against pretty much every package in existence so when you install gnome its like adding 4gb of crap to your install. kde isnt much better | 01:46 |
| filipdevuan | for diablo 3? | 01:46 |
| SuicideJunkie | If you've got an install list, then reinstalling to try stuff only takes like 30 mins | 01:46 |
| filipdevuan | iv been configuring my gpu drivers for like 8 hours with xrogaan from here | 01:46 |
| filipdevuan | cuz i run two gpus... | 01:46 |
| filipdevuan | but basically i had to download some packages from synaptic and then bumblebee and that was it | 01:47 |
| filipdevuan | but it took ages lol | 01:47 |
| guest1234 | i think my entire install is about 3GB | 01:47 |
| filipdevuan | yeah guest1234, iv had kde on my devuan it looked really nice but had issues with brightness for example that was too much for me | 01:47 |
| guest1234 | i run minimal everything | 01:48 |
| SuicideJunkie | Yeah, figuring it out is the big cost. Writing down the details saves so much time. | 01:48 |
| guest1234 | kit wont suit most people | 01:48 |
| guest1234 | it* | 01:48 |
| guest1234 | but ive also been doing this a lont time | 01:48 |
| filipdevuan | its funny how iv had distros like linux mint which is apparently one of the best distros out there and i couldnt get any win game working on it... ;S | 01:48 |
| guest1234 | long* | 01:48 |
| guest1234 | are you using wine for the win games? | 01:48 |
| filipdevuan | iv had it for 5 days and then when iv looked at the list of processes i was like omg what is this and installed fedora instead and then i discovered something like anti systemd stuff on internet and i was like okay fk it | 01:49 |
| filipdevuan | yeah | 01:49 |
| guest1234 | i have mixed success with wine | 01:49 |
| filipdevuan | i also run path of exile tes oblivion runescape 3 ntx | 01:49 |
| filipdevuan | nxt* | 01:49 |
| filipdevuan | i had diablo 2 working but i messed something up with winetricks and now i get direct3d issues and game wont load | 01:49 |
| guest1234 | i can get fallout 3 to run, and a couple of others, but if you are serious, and have 2x gpus, then look into kqemu using a gpu passthrough | 01:50 |
| guest1234 | you basically run windows 7 or xp in a vm and pass the video card to the vm, so you get near enough native 3d accel | 01:50 |
| filipdevuan | its fine im alright i think im gonna go tommorow somewhere where is nice outdoors and just spend my time lying on the grass and reading about linux basics iv got some pdfs saved up | 01:51 |
| filipdevuan | ;P | 01:51 |
| guest1234 | its probably not a good topic for you to cut your teeth on, but if you get it working its like native level gaming while running linux as a backend | 01:51 |
| filipdevuan | well yeah i know but i can do that on wine as well i think, im more confident with running games right now on wine than i was on win10 | 01:51 |
| filipdevuan | im really satisfied with diablo 3 quality at the moment graphics feel better than they did on windows 10 and performance is much much better as well | 01:51 |
| guest1234 | i cant think of anywhere in warwickshire to suggest on the grass front | 01:52 |
| filipdevuan | the only thing for example i get with game path of exile is i have to run in under directx9 wont turn on with 11 | 01:52 |
| filipdevuan | oh i know many nice places around here in warwickshire ;P | 01:52 |
| filipdevuan | its just a matter of choices ;P | 01:52 |
| guest1234 | https://wiki.debian.org/VGAPassthrough | 01:52 |
| guest1234 | im near derbyshire | 01:52 |
| filipdevuan | is derby in derbyshire?? | 01:53 |
| guest1234 | lol | 01:53 |
| filipdevuan | sorry im immigrant xD | 01:53 |
| guest1234 | cant believe you just asked that | 01:53 |
| guest1234 | :P | 01:53 |
| filipdevuan | not sure but my english friend took me to derby few years ago | 01:53 |
| filipdevuan | i enjoyed it | 01:53 |
| guest1234 | im not from derbyshire tho | 01:53 |
| guest1234 | it is, but thats south of here | 01:53 |
| guest1234 | im nearer to barnsley | 01:54 |
| filipdevuan | it pisses me off how they build new houses and neighbourhoods everywhere that mainly immigrant live there from asia | 01:54 |
| filipdevuan | and when im there theyre always dead... | 01:54 |
| guest1234 | lol | 01:54 |
| filipdevuan | 50 new houses around me and no people | 01:54 |
| guest1234 | go live near a university | 01:54 |
| filipdevuan | there are no exceptions | 01:54 |
| guest1234 | expensive, but tons of student s to mingle with | 01:54 |
| filipdevuan | iv seen this stuff in few new neighbourhoods | 01:54 |
| filipdevuan | there are lots of students around here and they make me feel sick | 01:54 |
| filipdevuan | this is why i love warwick theres university but its not that busy | 01:55 |
| guest1234 | go talk to them | 01:55 |
| guest1234 | students aren't bad | 01:55 |
| guest1234 | people are people | 01:55 |
| filipdevuan | nah fk them, when i go out and wanna go somewhere places like wetherspoons r always full of students | 01:55 |
| filipdevuan | i remember when it used to be empty and quiet | 01:55 |
| filipdevuan | now it all stinks there and its too hot | 01:55 |
| filipdevuan | they keep building and builing new student houses | 01:55 |
| guest1234 | dont knock the heat | 01:55 |
| guest1234 | give it a week or two and the rain will return | 01:56 |
| filipdevuan | im going back to poland anyways... i dont like this country too many immigrants from whole world | 01:56 |
| guest1234 | haha | 01:56 |
| filipdevuan | yeah where's rain lol | 01:56 |
| filipdevuan | iv been sick of this weather | 01:56 |
| guest1234 | where in poland | 01:56 |
| guest1234 | i know people from krakow | 01:56 |
| filipdevuan | greater poland. | 01:56 |
| guest1234 | lol, thats ambiguous | 01:56 |
| filipdevuan | uhh krakow is south im more in the middle by germany and poznan | 01:56 |
| guest1234 | like saying im from middle england | 01:57 |
| guest1234 | at least you arent on the russian border | 01:57 |
| filipdevuan | yeah midlands is middle ;P | 01:57 |
| guest1234 | that would suck | 01:57 |
| guest1234 | or so my friend Mateuscz says | 01:57 |
| filipdevuan | hahah i heard that eastern poland is really poor LOL iv never been there but always wanted to go there and see how its like lmao | 01:57 |
| filipdevuan | seeing indians everywhere make me feel sick | 01:58 |
| filipdevuan | im not racists but theyre in every cab in every local groceries | 01:58 |
| filipdevuan | fucking hell | 01:59 |
| guest1234 | theres nothing wrong with indians, or anyone | 01:59 |
| guest1234 | people are people | 01:59 |
| filipdevuan | of course | 01:59 |
| filipdevuan | but i come to england to see english people who are white im not in kambodja or pakistan | 01:59 |
| guest1234 | good luck with that | 01:59 |
| filipdevuan | im waiting for brexit | 01:59 |
| guest1234 | we are as multi-cultural as it gets | 01:59 |
| filipdevuan | yeah when i go to poland i see only white people everywhere | 01:59 |
| filipdevuan | and r u happy with that?? | 01:59 |
| guest1234 | i dont mind | 02:00 |
| guest1234 | i have lots of friends from all walks of life | 02:00 |
| guest1234 | all creeds | 02:00 |
| filipdevuan | sometimes i dont mind too but mostly they just make me feel sick, bt iv noticed indians are usually in poor districts or by lidls | 02:00 |
| golinux | Guys, please #debianfork | 02:00 |
| filipdevuan | okay | 02:00 |
| guest1234 | hehe | 02:00 |
| guest1234 | wondered how long until you would chime in | 02:00 |
| filipdevuan | worst part of it is when i see english woman with indian bloke fk | 02:01 |
| guest1234 | all this chat is probably annoying to you | 02:01 |
| filipdevuan | blonde white woman with brown guy damn xD | 02:01 |
| filipdevuan | bad | 02:01 |
| filipdevuan | i enjoy nature here very much as well but its all gonna be houses soon | 02:01 |
| guest1234 | jeez golinux, you are on fork as well | 02:02 |
| filipdevuan | i met some guy by warwick and he said he finds coins from 11th century around there and this area has much history | 02:02 |
| filipdevuan | and now its gonna be all houses soon there | 02:02 |
| guest1234 | everywhere will be | 02:03 |
| filipdevuan | greed kills this planet | 02:03 |
| guest1234 | anyway | 02:03 |
| guest1234 | im going to shoot | 02:03 |
| filipdevuan | take care xD. | 02:03 |
| guest1234 | i need some sleep before the bs starts tomorrow | 02:03 |
| guest1234 | have a good night everyone | 02:03 |
| filipdevuan | im going to poland next month i hope that any paki wont kill me for being racist | 02:03 |
| filipdevuan | good night | 02:03 |
| filipdevuan | till then | 02:03 |
| guest1234 | and golinux :P | 02:03 |
| filipdevuan | bye ;P | 02:03 |
| filipdevuan | yeah sorry for this spam not my fault :/ | 02:04 |
| golinux | guest1224: I am everywhere. | 02:09 |
| filipdevuan | i dont know why but everytime i see somebody on internet using linuxes like arch manjaro mint ubuntu i feel like theyre making a mistake | 02:16 |
| filipdevuan | okay im going on debianfork | 02:16 |
| amarsh04 | I installed package ntpsec and it didn't create the symlinks in /etc/*d pointing to /etc/init.d/ntp | 07:38 |
| amarsh04 | before I reply to the maintainer, is there anyone at Devuan who should look at the package? | 07:39 |
| Wonka | curl -v -H 'Host: deb.devuan.org' http://debian.ipacct.com/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/g/gcc-8/ | 13:42 |
| Wonka | The requested URL /merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/g/gcc-8/ was not found on this server. | 13:42 |
| Wonka | on other mirrors it works just fine | 13:43 |
| jaromil | ack. KatolaZ ^^ I had a similar episode just a week ago on one deb.devuan.org (sorry I should have debugged as Wonka did) | 13:45 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: which IP? | 14:33 |
| Wonka | KatolaZ: 195.85.215.251 | 14:35 |
| Wonka | the other one I see for that hostname, 2a01:9e40::251, doesn't even accept on tcp/80 | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: we are only checking mirrors for jessie, ascii, ceres | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | that stuff is in beowulf/buste | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | ~buster | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | it should be there though | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | since gcc-8 is in ceres as well | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | dunno | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | will have a look then | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | thanks for reporting | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | anyway Wonka | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | the packages are in there | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | maybe the mirror has dirlist disabled | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | curl -v -H 'Host: deb.devuan.org' http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/g/gcc-8/gcc8_8.1.0-8.deb <- Wonka | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | ops sorry | 14:41 |
| KatolaZ | wrong line | 14:41 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: it's devuan.ipacct.com | 14:42 |
| KatolaZ | not debian.ipacct.com... | 14:42 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: ^^^ | 14:42 |
| KatolaZ | wrong mirror name ;) | 14:42 |
| KatolaZ | curl -v -H 'Host: deb.devuan.org' http://devuan.ipacct.com/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/g/gcc-8/gcc8_8.1.0-8.deb | 14:42 |
| KatolaZ | gives a 302, as expected | 14:43 |
| KatolaZ | host devuan.ipacct.com | 14:45 |
| KatolaZ | devuan.ipacct.com has address 195.85.215.180 | 14:45 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: ^^^ | 14:45 |
| Wonka | KatolaZ: I used deb.devuan.org though... | 14:45 |
| Wonka | KatolaZ: which failed with the IP, which I looked up, ... :) | 14:46 |
| Wonka | KatolaZ: so the list behind deb.devuan.org needs to be corrected from debian.ipacct.com to devuan.ipacct.com+ | 14:46 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: the mirror is devuan.ipacct.org | 15:35 |
| KatolaZ | not debian.ipacct.org | 15:35 |
| KatolaZ | those point to two different IPS | 15:35 |
| KatolaZ | IPs | 15:36 |
| KatolaZ | the fact that you add "Host: deb.devuan.org" to curl does not mean that you are "using" deb.devuan.org | 15:36 |
| KatolaZ | that is just setting the "Host:" header in the http request | 15:36 |
| KatolaZ | curl resolves the URL you passed (debian.ipacct.com) and sets the Host: header | 15:37 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: the list behind deb.devuan.org already points to the correct iP | 15:37 |
| KatolaZ | I don't know what you did, but it seems I can't reproduce it now | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for off topic: please sign https://www.change.org/p/european-parliament-stop-the-censorship-machinery-save-the-internet?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition - read https://blog.github.com/2018-03-14-eu-proposal-upload-filters-code/ for more context. | 18:02 |
| xrogaan | what does "Planet nr." means, on devuan's main web page. | 20:19 |
| golinux | xrogaan: Devuan releases are named after minor planets in our solar system: https://minorplanetcenter.net/iau/lists/MPNames.html | 20:28 |
| golinux | nr = number | 20:28 |
| golinux | You can see that a lot of then have been identified and cataloged | 20:29 |
| golinux | Those details are found on this page of the Devuan website: https://devuan.org/os/releases | 20:30 |
| xrogaan | I see. | 21:16 |
| jaromil | don't be shy, you can say that it was better to name it after Frank Zappa's albums | 21:18 |
| * golinux doesn't know the name of one Frank Zappa album or song but am aware of the personality | 21:23 | |
| MinceR | wouldn't Devuan run out of Frank Zappa album names? | 21:29 |
| jaromil | he was incredibly productive | 21:32 |
| jaromil | and one can always resort to song names after albums are over | 21:32 |
| buZz | zappa -_- | 21:32 |
| jaromil | Devuan "Yellow Snow" 45.0.0 | 21:33 |
| buZz | someone once uploaded the entire discography of zappa to our hackerspace's music server | 21:33 |
| buZz | he wasnt a member much longer | 21:33 |
| buZz | (we didnt kick him out, but we deleted all the zappa ~5 times) | 21:33 |
| jaromil | reminds me when at ASCII people setup a cronjob to delete all bob* music, against my collection of bob dylan and bob marley .... | 21:34 |
| golinux | LOL! | 21:34 |
| buZz | :P | 21:34 |
| agris_ | how can i convert my grub2 from BIOS to EFI if i'm using LVM crypto | 21:37 |
| MinceR | lol @ yellow snow | 21:39 |
| agris_ | using the Devuan 2 rescue disk? | 21:43 |
| jaromil | agris_: I have no idea. not sure who else knows better about EFI boot if not fsmithred when he is around | 21:45 |
| james1138 | Just a tip. I found File-Roller more capable than Xarchiver when it comes to handling a wider selection of compressed files. | 21:54 |
| jaromil | oh, the one from Rox? | 21:58 |
| jaromil | na is gnome. well.... | 21:59 |
| xrogaan | consolekit do seem somewhat weird to me. | 22:01 |
| xrogaan | > console-kit-daemon[2540]: GLib-CRITICAL: Source ID 629 was not found when attempting to remove it | 22:01 |
| xrogaan | I'm playing with dnsmasq | 22:01 |
| xrogaan | dunno if it is related though | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAHAHAHA Devuan "Yellow Snow" | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the "Watermelon in Easter Hay" release | 22:39 |
| jaromil | xrogaan: consolekit *is* weird and we would happily do without it | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3cu8sDa90Y | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: >>During his lifetime, Zappa released 62 albums. Since 1994, the Zappa Family Trust has released 49 posthumous albums, making a total of 111 albums.<< | 22:51 |
| MinceR | :) | 22:53 |
| golinux | coagen: Hello stranger!! | 23:01 |
| golinux | Whjere have you been!!!! | 23:01 |
| coagen | hi | 23:01 |
| golinux | You can see my typing hasn't improved | 23:01 |
| coagen | busy w/new job | 23:01 |
| coagen | how are things | 23:01 |
| golinux | Let's move to #debianfork | 23:02 |
| coagen | k | 23:02 |
| * coagen gives devuan 2.0 on rpi3 a thumbs up | 23:08 | |
| coagen | works great for me | 23:08 |
| golinux | parazyd: ^^^ | 23:08 |
| parazyd | ^_^ | 23:08 |
| jaromil | coagen: :^) | 23:17 |
| coagen | jaromil! | 23:19 |
| golinux | Nostalgia is setting in | 23:20 |
| coagen | haha | 23:22 |
| * coagen gets out the vinyl | 23:22 | |
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