refracta_noob | getting a frustrating possible bug in jessie with nvidia proprietary driver - for some reason, my xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ isn't respected and I have a weird zoomed in (scaled?) viewport despite the explicit resolution declared in my xorg.conf | 00:36 |
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refracta_noob | the screen section is generated by nvidia-settings, using my desired settings, and while I get the weird panning at first login, if I open nvidia-settings and click 'Apply' it gives me the desired mode | 00:38 |
refracta_noob | so it doesn't really make sense why my settings in xorg would produce undesired behavior | 00:39 |
filipdevuan | hey iv installed devuan using mate desktop and can't see option set brightness which i have in xfce by default help pls? :( | 00:39 |
refracta_noob | I think I'm just going to snapshot this install and move on to the ASCII release of Refracta | 00:40 |
fsmithred | filipdevuan, which brightness in xfce? The desktop background? | 00:47 |
refracta_noob | the DistroWatch review notes that there's no sound applet in the tray - I'm not sure if it works with xfce, but I use Volti for an audio applet/indicator with stalonetray in TWM and although I have to click preferences to turn on the use of media keys, it does easily recognize my media keys which was the main thrust of that complaint it seemed | 02:25 |
RedSoxFan07 | Hi folks. Debian guy here. Just wanted to ask a question. Does Devuan use the Debian repositories? Or does it repackage the software? | 02:34 |
refracta_noob | I'm just a user but I'm pretty sure that where needed Devuan repackages a software if it required or depended on systemd - otherwise I don't think they change it from the Debian version but someone should correct me if I'm wrong | 02:35 |
filipdevuan | hey iv read something that eu wants to ban free software?? | 02:35 |
RedSoxFan07 | refracta_noob: Okay, cool. Thanks! | 02:36 |
syco_ | filipdevuan, lol | 02:36 |
filipdevuan | i dont remember where i read this i think iv had e-mail like that but cant find it i must find it again | 02:36 |
RedSoxFan07 | filipdevuan: Yeah, I heard about that. Just another example of politicians who are people-savvy instead of tech-savvy | 02:37 |
syco_ | filipdevuan, maybe trump wants to ? | 02:37 |
filipdevuan | https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/free-software-is-at-risk-in-the-eu-take-action-now | 02:37 |
refracta_noob | RedSoxFan07: no problem | 02:37 |
filipdevuan | blame microsoft for that :P | 02:37 |
filipdevuan | they bought whole github so i believe all scripts codes and everything from devs belong to them right now and now they wanna kill competition and have another monopol | 02:39 |
refracta_noob | They voted for it affirmatively. | 02:39 |
refracta_noob | the MEPs | 02:39 |
filipdevuan | because they got paid by microsoft | 02:40 |
filipdevuan | when i told to my friend about ian murdock 'commiting suicide' by hanging himself he said they were microsoft who killed him | 02:41 |
filipdevuan | im pretty sure that MEPs were promised big money for voting yes | 02:43 |
golinux | Politics to #debianfork please. | 02:45 |
filipdevuan | but well i never used any github or gitlab in my life apart from few days ago when i started, but i dont understand why devs like to put everything to public to websites like github... its such a bollocks to me. | 02:45 |
filipdevuan | im pretty sure most of people use github or gitlab because they havent got other choice, i dont think that github or gitlab are free softwares websites anymore anyway | 02:46 |
filipdevuan | golinux: yeah going there now sorry!! | 02:49 |
xrogaan | are there people on beowulf right now? | 03:25 |
xrogaan | I would like to upgrade, but I am a bit queasy about it. | 03:25 |
fsmithred | xrogaan, there are a few people on beowulf, but I'd suggest only doing it if you want to report to package maintainers as things get devuanized. | 03:30 |
fsmithred | heads is on beowulf now | 03:30 |
xrogaan | well, I make use of backports to get more up to date software. | 03:31 |
xrogaan | but not everything can be found on backports | 03:32 |
xrogaan | I can't sleep, so I wanted to pass time. Pretty stupid idea. | 03:36 |
xrogaan | is there a way to check the status of beowulf? | 03:38 |
fsmithred | add beowulf sources and run a lot of apt-cache search/policy <package>? | 03:39 |
fsmithred | just don't install or upgrade when you've got that enabled | 03:40 |
fsmithred | there's a package search site - https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 03:42 |
xrogaan | how does the maintainer checks on things? | 03:43 |
xrogaan | I mean, will we get a systemd free beuwolf status? ie. sane to use. | 03:45 |
xrogaan | if everything is automated, it should be fine. | 03:52 |
xrogaan | testing is merely a version bump, right? | 03:52 |
fsmithred | maybe a 'sane to use' statement when there's a beta or RC installer iso | 03:58 |
xrogaan | right | 04:01 |
cirujadigital | hello people, why now "systemd is evil"? | 06:36 |
stuttgart | cirujadigital: there are many reasons not to use systemd outside systemd being evil, but the main reason systemd is evil is because random pieces of software are making up hard dependencies to systemd with the intent to force other init systems out of the market. | 06:50 |
stuttgart | cirujadigital: systemd has this influence on other packages because Redhat wants it that way and they are in charge of several pieces of software used by almost all linux distros around. | 06:51 |
cirujadigital | I'll read you stuttgart... | 06:52 |
cirujadigital | I understand about the dependencies. The issue that was raised was that the separate packages did not receive as much support or it was more complicated to articulate their operation. This is a strength for systemd. | 06:55 |
cirujadigital | This seems to be true, what do you think of it? | 06:55 |
stuttgart | What do you mean by separate packages? | 06:56 |
gnarface | what's wrong with it being more complicated? | 06:56 |
golinux | The appropriate channel for this discussion is #debianfork. | 06:57 |
golinux | Please take the troll there. | 06:57 |
cirujadigital | The more complicated the problem is, the greater the effort and the more people involved. This is clear. | 06:58 |
cirujadigital | hey golinux !! im not a troll for not think like you! | 06:59 |
cirujadigital | im using devuan acsii... | 06:59 |
cirujadigital | more respect, please. | 06:59 |
cirujadigital | stuttgart, The more complicated the problem is, the greater the effort and the more people involved. This is clear. | 07:00 |
cirujadigital | centralization saves resources, even if it also saves opinions and freedoms. | 07:01 |
golinux | cire | 07:03 |
golinux | cirujadigital: You're not convincing me. | 07:04 |
cirujadigital | about it? | 07:04 |
golinux | In any case, this philosophical discussion does not belong on a devuan support channel. | 07:05 |
cirujadigital | golinux, Well then don't participate in it... or maybe you haven't thought about it and you can't participate. | 07:06 |
cirujadigital | I ask why they think it's bad systemd because I want to know about technical, real issues. Not to be told, as a nickname here suggests, that "sysmted is evil". | 07:08 |
gnarface | then you will continue the discussion in #debianfork | 07:09 |
cirujadigital | As long as we don't have any real knowledge, we're gonna look and act like a bunch of fans. Who choose and install devuan by faith | 07:09 |
cirujadigital | in my case installs devuan devuan for convenience, because it saves 50mb of startup and with its commands I can manage the networks, which in systemd I can not do and I do not want to learn again. | 07:11 |
golinux | Here you go: http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html | 07:11 |
cirujadigital | seems good opinion golinux | 07:16 |
golinux | This discussion still belongs on #debianfork | 07:18 |
golinux | I hope that helped to clarify things for you. | 07:19 |
cirujadigital | golinux, Unfortunately, so far the opinion of the link is not very clear. Is it good or bad that distributions are standardized? | 07:42 |
gnarface | do you know what a false-choice dichotomy is? | 07:45 |
cirujadigital | I know what a dichotomy is, but there's no false choice here. There are possible paths that can be developed. golinux | 07:55 |
cirujadigital | In fact, golinux, we have no power and we choose nothing. hehe. This is real | 07:58 |
cirujadigital | I'm going to channel #debianfork, golinux. I don't want to disturb your beliefs with any more thoughts. As you mentioned to me, this is the channel for those who have already made a choice, not for anyone who wants to know more about what they use or why they do it.Either way, I use devuan and I'll stick around. | 08:05 |
cirujadigital | tanks for the link. | 08:05 |
Tuor | I installed Devuan on my laptop, because all tests in my VM did well. I run it for about 1.5 days. I had to switch back (Ubuntu 16.04 -> KDE Neon). Why: In the beginning all was fine. after ~8h of work, plasma (KDE) begun to freak out. Some things stoped working, some things had graphical bugs. It begun with small bugs, and with time going on it got worse. At the end I could not switch between windows, I could not start any programs and even to shutdown I | 08:54 |
Tuor | had to use my virtual terminal (ctrl+alt+f1). This laptop is my production laptop (and my only laptop). I could not afford to dig and search for the problem. I did take an image of the complete SSD and restored my backup (Ubuntu). In my company multiple persons are intrested in using Devuan (Desktop and Server in the later run). I can't realy report a bug for it, because I can't tell what's the problem or what is responsible for the problems. What should I | 08:54 |
Tuor | do? | 08:54 |
gnarface | see if you can replicate the problem with a different WM maybe | 08:57 |
gnarface | there could be bugs in KDE or bugs in the graphics driver only KDE trips | 08:57 |
gnarface | (KDE has a specific history of this recently, it's not happening to everyone though) | 08:57 |
gnarface | if you can reliably reproduce it, file a bug report about it | 08:58 |
gnarface | (you may discover someone already has done so and posted a workaround) | 08:58 |
Tuor | gnarface: I can reproduce it, but *only* on my hardware (not in a VM). | 09:21 |
gnarface | Tuor: could still be driver-specific. there are known issues. | 09:26 |
KatolaZ | Tuor: maybe you have a RAM issue? | 09:26 |
KatolaZ | (random thought) | 09:27 |
gnarface | yes, it could possibly be a symptom of hardware failure too - just based on the vague description | 09:27 |
gnarface | that's TWO good reasons to see if you can try it with another piece of hardware (of a different brand preferrably) | 09:27 |
gnarface | but it's really worth looking up known issues | 09:27 |
gnarface | this might be as simple to fix as disabling compositing or upgrading the kernel | 09:28 |
gnarface | Tuor: also you can run memtest on the system ram just as a sanity check | 09:29 |
gnarface | i'm pretty sure there are known issues with plasma and nouveau drivers currently | 09:32 |
gnarface | so i'm leaning towards blaming this on KDE | 09:32 |
gnarface | i'd really like to see a different WM tested first | 09:32 |
xrogaan | my udevd might have crashed | 12:42 |
xrogaan | to properly create a live desktop usb, would all I need to do be: dd if=devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso of=/dev/sde1 bs=4M; sync | 12:45 |
xrogaan | ? | 12:45 |
gnarface | no, you probably want the device (sde) not the first partition (sde1) and i've had problems using high bs sizes on writes, also noted that with usb flash devices it didn't make anything actually faster | 12:47 |
gnarface | for reads it would but for writes it probably will make it slower actually | 12:47 |
gnarface | though it would depend on the device | 12:47 |
xrogaan | I got an error with /dev/sde | 12:48 |
gnarface | do you have write permission? | 12:48 |
xrogaan | writing error: no space left | 12:49 |
xrogaan | under root yeah | 12:49 |
gnarface | but you don't get an error to sde1? | 12:49 |
xrogaan | > 1053818880 bytes (1,1 GB, 1005 MiB) copied, 0,992445 s, 1,1 GB/s | 12:50 |
xrogaan | which is weird | 12:50 |
xrogaan | (how can USB be that fast?) | 12:50 |
gnarface | a trick of the virtual ram | 12:50 |
gnarface | er, whatever it's called | 12:50 |
gnarface | filesystem caching | 12:50 |
gnarface | probably | 12:50 |
gnarface | not sure why it's different though | 12:51 |
gnarface | are you sure the device works? you have the right path to the live file, right? if= exists? | 12:51 |
xrogaan | so the files are on the drive, but I don't know if the drive is bootable. | 12:51 |
gnarface | double check | 12:51 |
gnarface | it won't be, if you didn't overwrite the previous partition but just dd'd the image to the first partition | 12:51 |
gnarface | that won't work | 12:51 |
xrogaan | should I delete the partition (if that's possible) then try again with dd? | 12:53 |
gnarface | dd should overwrite it unless something is physically wrong with the device | 12:53 |
gnarface | it shouldn't care about partition tables | 12:53 |
gnarface | this is really weird behavior | 12:53 |
gnarface | try if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde and don't specify bs | 12:54 |
gnarface | or, specify bs=512 | 12:54 |
gnarface | i've had problems with bs=4M | 12:54 |
gnarface | for writes | 12:54 |
gnarface | even bs=1M may be more reliable | 12:55 |
xrogaan | http://dpaste.com/1X5SE07 | 12:55 |
gnarface | not all usb flash keys were created equal | 12:55 |
xrogaan | udevd backtrace happened when I tried to dd in /dev/sde the first time | 12:55 |
gnarface | that happens when you plug it in? | 12:56 |
xrogaan | I'll try with the /dev/zero thing | 12:56 |
xrogaan | what do you mean "what happen"? | 12:56 |
gnarface | nevermind, you answered me | 12:56 |
gnarface | "sde: p1 size 2058176 extends beyond EOD, truncated" | 12:57 |
gnarface | i'm not sure what that's about | 12:57 |
gnarface | i'm not sure that's ok either | 12:57 |
gnarface | if the /dev/zero thing doesn't work, maybe try re-hotplugging it | 12:57 |
Leander | you could try a different port | 12:58 |
xrogaan | maybe it's a 1GB thumb drive masquerading as a 2GB? | 12:58 |
gnarface | could be a kernel bug | 12:58 |
gnarface | could be hardware failure | 12:58 |
gnarface | could be a connection problem | 12:58 |
Leander | I also sort of remember USB sticks whose firmware would block access to the MBR, many years ago | 12:58 |
gnarface | did it used to work, xrogaan? | 12:59 |
gnarface | i wonder also if something else may still be accessing it | 13:00 |
gnarface | i didn't think dd would care about that either but i could be wrong | 13:01 |
xrogaan | dev zero without bs seems to not throw errors | 13:01 |
gnarface | interesting | 13:02 |
gnarface | how sure are you that when you used "if=devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso" you were in the same directory as that file and that was the exact correct name? | 13:03 |
xrogaan | 'cause it got written to the partition? | 13:03 |
gnarface | oh hmm, you're sure it actually did? | 13:04 |
gnarface | i guess it did say it found data to copy | 13:04 |
gnarface | ok | 13:04 |
gnarface | definitely bs=4M is killing it then | 13:04 |
xrogaan | will dev/zero fill the device with nothing? | 13:04 |
gnarface | don't use anything bigger than 1M | 13:04 |
gnarface | i've seen it with some usb keys before myself | 13:04 |
gnarface | probably you'll also find that bs=512 (the physical block size) isn't any slower for writes | 13:05 |
stuttgart | xroogaan: linux will cache writes to your drive and you might have pulled it out before things were actually written. If you want to make sure everything is on your flash drive add a "sync" command. i.e "dd if=file.img of=/dev/blockdev && sync /dev/blockdev && echo DONE". | 13:07 |
xrogaan | 1006632960 bytes (1,0 GB, 960 MiB) copied, 333,056 s, 3,0 MB/s | 13:08 |
xrogaan | huh | 13:08 |
xrogaan | iso is too big | 13:08 |
stuttgart | remember MiB is based on 1024B per KB while MB is the old term and people/programs may or may not mean 1024B per KB. Storage manufacturers for instance love to sell 1TB drives that don't actually have 1 trillion bytes of storage. | 13:11 |
gnarface | xrogaan: maybe you could try the minimal-live image instead? | 13:12 |
stuttgart | If your drive is an "1GB" drive, the iso may be slightly too big. | 13:12 |
xrogaan | no, it was as a backup system for my father who unplugged his windows machine because "it didn't make noise" | 13:52 |
xrogaan | so the windows machine wouldn't start anymore | 13:52 |
xrogaan | but it got resolved | 13:52 |
xrogaan | I can't use a minimal, I need a full system. | 13:52 |
xrogaan | but since it's for online banking, I'm not even sure a linux distro would do | 13:53 |
xrogaan | well it does work actually. | 13:55 |
fsmithred | xrogaan, you need a live linux that's less than 1GB and has a browser? | 14:06 |
xrogaan | There are bigger usb around, but way too big for the job. | 14:15 |
xrogaan | I can use those if needs be. | 14:15 |
fsmithred | you could use a refracta iso or miyolinux iso or one of the other derivatives | 14:15 |
xrogaan | is firefox up to date? | 14:16 |
xrogaan | 'cause if it has some old version of that browser, it won't matter. | 14:16 |
fsmithred | refracta jessie isos still work for banking here | 14:16 |
fsmithred | I think ascii has 52.x-esr | 14:17 |
xrogaan | See if it were me I wouldn't care. But my father is old and has a "piece of shit computer" kind of mentality. | 14:18 |
xrogaan | So first impressions are important :) | 14:18 |
fsmithred | well, if all he needs is a browser, you could give him a window manager with an easy and obvious way to start the browser, and he'll be impressed with the speed | 14:19 |
xrogaan | since when can't we just do `wget -c 'https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/isohybrid/refracta8.3_xfce_i386-20170304_2347.iso/download'` ? | 14:22 |
fsmithred | remove the /download | 14:22 |
fsmithred | shit, I should update those isos | 14:22 |
xrogaan | nope | 14:23 |
xrogaan | refracta8.3_xfce_i386-20170304_2347.iso: HTML document, UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines, with CRLF, LF line terminators | 14:23 |
fsmithred | huh? | 14:23 |
fsmithred | I download like that all the time | 14:23 |
xrogaan | maybe because I masquerade my wget as a firefox | 14:24 |
fsmithred | wget https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/isohybrid/refracta8.3_xfce_i386-20170304_2347.iso | 14:24 |
fsmithred | weird that it thinks the iso is html | 14:25 |
xrogaan | my suspicions is that sourceforge detect wget and do a no-bs download | 14:25 |
xrogaan | but if you go with a browser, it shows you ads. | 14:25 |
fsmithred | oh | 14:25 |
fsmithred | maybe use curl? | 14:26 |
xrogaan | this is my wgetrc: http://dpaste.com//00VS05J | 14:26 |
xrogaan | 'cause some website don't like wget | 14:27 |
xrogaan | I should use --no-config with sourceforge then | 14:27 |
fsmithred | yeah, that sounds like it'll worki | 14:28 |
xrogaan | going to try refracta if he annoys me again. Thanks. | 14:30 |
fsmithred | yw | 14:30 |
xrogaan | He just argued with me that unplugging the computer as it is starting (and working) isn't bad because software engineers are smart. I didn't point out that he came to me for help because he did that and his computer got toasted. ¬.¬ | 14:39 |
* xrogaan throws table | 14:39 | |
fsmithred | did you tell him the engineers are smart enough not to pull the plug? | 14:40 |
xrogaan | but what if in the unlikely event of a power outage? | 14:41 |
xrogaan | (that he did 3 times in a row) | 14:41 |
mmlj4 | I would schedule a power outage for him on Thursdays | 14:45 |
fsmithred | well, that's what journaled filesystems are for. They usually work, but not always. | 14:47 |
fsmithred | is dad a gambler? | 14:47 |
xrogaan | no, no. He just knows better than you. | 14:56 |
golinux | xrogaan: Get your dad a UPS. Which of course only works for a short time. Won't protect against extended outages | 16:50 |
xrogaan | he pulled the plug to forcefully reboot the computer | 16:52 |
fsmithred | solder the plugs so he can't pull them out | 16:56 |
xrogaan | uh uh | 19:15 |
abcabc__ | oh | 19:16 |
d9867eb | hi | 19:45 |
d9867eb | I need to set up my own DNS server. I chose to use BIND9. However I get the error "ns1.domain.la' has no address records (A or AAAA)". I am using Devuan ascii. | 19:45 |
d9867eb | my /etc/bind/zone/domain.db file https://pastebin.com/raw/2Z4Ss7fY | 19:45 |
d9867eb | my named-checkconf -zj output: https://pastebin.com/raw/qUfBjGaS | 19:45 |
d9867eb | please ask for more information if you need to know more help me. thanks | 19:45 |
abcabc__ | bind has good support in #networking d9867eb | 20:00 |
d9867eb | ok thanks | 20:12 |
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