| msiism | ok, it doesn't work... | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| filipdevuan | iv downloaded kde plasma once and it was so weird | 00:06 |
| aitor | i'm still waiting for the answer comming from gnuetertics.org, i await eagerly | 00:06 |
| aitor | msiism == gnu_srs ? | 00:08 |
| msiism | aitor: no. | 00:12 |
| golinux | LOL! aitor always good for a chuckle | 00:13 |
| aitor | hehehe... | 00:14 |
| aitor | 00:25, bye :) | 00:17 |
| aitor | see you | 00:18 |
| xrogaan | what is gnutertics? | 00:47 |
| underd0g | gnuetertics.org | 00:50 |
| underd0g | what I don't understand is , why is zeronet handling firefox calls ? | 00:54 |
| logo4poop | hey! i have a little problem with ASCII 2.0.0. When i am at 12% at de | 01:33 |
| logo4poop | oops | 01:33 |
| logo4poop | Delect and install software | 01:34 |
| logo4poop | my screen just freezes | 01:34 |
| logo4poop | anyone kenow the fix? | 01:34 |
| gnarface | how sure are you that it actually froze? did you try alt+f4 (no it's not a joke) | 01:35 |
| gnarface | there could have been a number of reasons but without more evidence i can't tell you much | 01:36 |
| gnarface | it may simply appear frozen if your bandwidth is being throttled down to a trickle | 01:37 |
| gnarface | but in that case you should be able to pull up a different virtual terminal to see | 01:37 |
| logo4poop | its fully frozen | 01:37 |
| logo4poop | i have tried a few times | 01:37 |
| logo4poop | also it said it installed discover | 01:38 |
| gnarface | is it always at 12% that it freezes exactly? | 01:38 |
| gnarface | or does it just freeze at random places after it starts installing? | 01:38 |
| logo4poop | yup | 01:38 |
| logo4poop | always 12 | 01:38 |
| gnarface | hmmm. very strange | 01:39 |
| logo4poop | i believe i saw a old debian post about it | 01:39 |
| gnarface | kinda like you're running out of ram or disk space, but i'd expect an error | 01:39 |
| gnarface | what did the debian post say about it? | 01:39 |
| logo4poop | whats the mininum needed? | 01:39 |
| logo4poop | i would think it would be less than 4gb | 01:39 |
| gnarface | it's less | 01:39 |
| logo4poop | so it should work imo | 01:40 |
| gnarface | it definitely should | 01:40 |
| gnarface | what did the debian post say about it? might it have said to use acpi=off? | 01:40 |
| logo4poop_ | lemme link you to the post | 01:40 |
| logo4poop_ | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794410 | 01:41 |
| logo4poop_ | looks like something to do with realtek drivers | 01:42 |
| logo4poop_ | i thought i had realtek only for ethernet tho | 01:42 |
| logo4poop_ | that guy is using uefi tho i am just using legacy | 01:43 |
| gnarface | hmmm. interesting | 01:43 |
| gnarface | are you able to complete the install if you don't select that networking device during install? | 01:43 |
| logo4poop_ | idk | 01:43 |
| gnarface | it may be possible to fix after your first boot | 01:43 |
| logo4poop_ | i want to have internet tho | 01:44 |
| logo4poop_ | how hard is it to set it up? | 01:44 |
| gnarface | i'm not suggesting that you'd go without it | 01:44 |
| gnarface | it is no harder to set up after install than during it. | 01:44 |
| logo4poop_ | ok | 01:44 |
| logo4poop_ | could you explain to me how to do it? | 01:45 |
| logo4poop_ | ill try to reinstall | 01:45 |
| logo4poop_ | hopefully i dont have to use ethernet | 01:45 |
| logo4poop_ | as i have no cord with me | 01:45 |
| gnarface | it would be a lot easier for you to use ethernet | 01:45 |
| logo4poop_ | ugh | 01:46 |
| gnarface | wifi is buggy | 01:46 |
| logo4poop_ | i really dont want to | 01:46 |
| gnarface | you could use ethernet just for the install but then switch to wifi afterwards | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | are you using netinstall or dvd? | 01:46 |
| gnarface | that would make your life a lot easier | 01:46 |
| logo4poop_ | dvd | 01:47 |
| logo4poop_ | i dont have a cord sadly | 01:47 |
| fsmithred | so you could install without mirror, without network | 01:47 |
| fsmithred | then install the firmware afterward - it's in /firmware in the iso | 01:47 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: (the bug report from debian that he linked claims the problem is exhibited by the dvd and netinstallers both - it appears at first glance to be a hardware allergy to the wifi driver somehow) | 01:47 |
| fsmithred | were they using a debian iso that had the firmware on it? | 01:48 |
| logo4poop_ | i did dvd-1 | 01:49 |
| gnarface | hmmmm | 01:49 |
| gnarface | none of debian's disks have the firmware | 01:50 |
| gnarface | if i recall | 01:50 |
| logo4poop_ | should i try withuefi maybe? | 01:50 |
| gnarface | and one person mentions that it happens to them with wifi OR ethernet :( | 01:50 |
| filipdevuan | are there thunders in cambridge?? | 01:50 |
| logo4poop_ | one person said turning off acpi worked | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | cambridge, massachusetts? might be thunder there right now | 01:51 |
| gnarface | logo4poop_: try it | 01:51 |
| logo4poop_ | ok | 01:51 |
| gnarface | logo4poop_: that basically just disables power saving | 01:51 |
| logo4poop_ | ok | 01:52 |
| gnarface | it was known to cause all kinds of issues historically | 01:52 |
| gnarface | if you can complete the install without it, you may be able to fix it with an upgraded kernel later | 01:52 |
| gnarface | or maybe just a updated firmware | 01:53 |
| logo4poop_ | btw it does the same with gui aswell | 01:53 |
| fsmithred | newer kernel is needed? | 01:53 |
| logo4poop_ | btw why is it even installing discover | 01:54 |
| logo4poop_ | i am using quadcomm wifi thing | 01:54 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: unclear - people are reporting that disabling acpi and achi worked, as well as just using firmware | 01:54 |
| gnarface | logo4poop_: you could do a minimal install too, just don't install anything until afterwards. that makes it easier for you to control what you get. | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | logo4poop_, how new is this hardware? | 01:55 |
| logo4poop_ | 3 years maybe? | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | ok, maybe you don't need a newer kernel | 01:56 |
| fsmithred | 1+ for minimal install | 01:56 |
| t3chn0 | hi, i have a query: according to https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2184&action=new if i were to install ascii-backports would the edit of sources.list consist in adding: | 01:57 |
| logo4poop_ | i do not have a other computer with me rn | 01:57 |
| t3chn0 | deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan ascii-backports main | 01:57 |
| t3chn0 | deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/devuan ascii-backports main | 01:57 |
| t3chn0 | ? | 01:57 |
| fsmithred | t3chn0, don't use packages.devuan.org for ascii - use deb.devuan.org | 01:57 |
| fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main | 01:58 |
| t3chn0 | fsmithred, thanks | 01:58 |
| fsmithred | note that it's /merged | 01:58 |
| logo4poop_ | hopefully devuan is worth it | 01:58 |
| t3chn0 | yes | 01:58 |
| t3chn0 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main | 02:00 |
| t3chn0 | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main | 02:00 |
| t3chn0 | correct? | 02:00 |
| gnarface | that's right, t3chn0 | 02:00 |
| t3chn0 | thanks guys | 02:00 |
| logo4poop_ | i hope this works :x | 02:01 |
| gnarface | t3chn0: i wouldn't advise just blind-updating from backports. get what you need from there, and the dependencies, then shut it back off | 02:01 |
| gnarface | logo4poop_: you're gonna try it with acpi=off as a kernel boot option, right? | 02:02 |
| logo4poop_ | yes | 02:02 |
| logo4poop_ | i just pushed tab | 02:02 |
| logo4poop_ | then added it on the end | 02:02 |
| fsmithred | yup | 02:02 |
| logo4poop_ | i hope i did that right | 02:02 |
| logo4poop_ | should i do us.deb or deb,? | 02:03 |
| logo4poop_ | for repos | 02:03 |
| logo4poop_ | or pkgmaster | 02:04 |
| fsmithred | I would recommend just using deb.devuan.org | 02:04 |
| logo4poop_ | kk | 02:04 |
| fsmithred | I'm in the US, and I've seen that I get foreign mirrors often | 02:04 |
| fsmithred | I don't think there are many in the us | 02:04 |
| logo4poop_ | do i get a option to install kde? | 02:05 |
| fsmithred | not sure if that's on the dvd or not | 02:05 |
| fsmithred | I know it's an option with a netinstall | 02:05 |
| logo4poop_ | i should have gone net | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | you have to be able to connect to the network for that | 02:06 |
| logo4poop_ | uh oh | 02:06 |
| logo4poop_ | i think it froze | 02:06 |
| logo4poop_ | at 12 | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | it's looking for wifi firmware? | 02:07 |
| logo4poop_ | it says it installed ir | 02:07 |
| logo4poop_ | it | 02:07 |
| t3chn0 | gnarface, thanks | 02:07 |
| logo4poop_ | Installed discover, (amd64) | 02:07 |
| logo4poop | sorry back | 02:11 |
| logo4poop | i might not do devuan | 02:11 |
| logo4poop | it doesnt seem compatible with my system | 02:11 |
| mdrights[m] | Hi, am wondering if there's a channel for devuan-sdk? | 02:29 |
| golinux | You could try #devuan-dev | 02:31 |
| pl43c | avcan | 03:53 |
| ponchale | hi | 03:54 |
| ponchale | someone connected? | 03:55 |
| golinux | ponchale: 250 or so of us. | 04:05 |
| ChuangTzu | all enjoying Devuan bliss apparently. ;) | 04:09 |
| ponchale | hi Centurion_Dan | 06:33 |
| ponchale | how are you? | 06:33 |
| buZz | nobody connected | 06:45 |
| bozonius | I just installed devuan ascii on my test box (yippee, I have a test box now!). It was murder getting it partitioned the way I wanted, and next time I try this I might use a partitioning tool before doing the install. | 07:57 |
| bozonius | the problem I had is that I don't yet have the test box hooked up to internet (project for tomorrow night) | 07:57 |
| bozonius | I don't seem to have X11, can't startx | 07:58 |
| bozonius | is this normal for a standalone install (i.e., sans internet) | 07:58 |
| gnarface | depends on which disk | 08:00 |
| gnarface | you need the "xinit" package for startx | 08:01 |
| gnarface | which you might not have gotten automatically even if you did get a full X11 install | 08:02 |
| gnarface | if you got the CD or DVD sets, it's still on one of those disks... | 08:03 |
| gnarface | not sure about the netinstaller (but probably not) | 08:03 |
| bozonius | I did an expert graphical install | 08:08 |
| bozonius | I did not see where I could select packages | 08:08 |
| gnarface | you can install it after first boot - the default created sources.list in this case should have contained a path to the optical disk | 08:11 |
| bozonius | ok, so there is no option to choose specific packages such as xinit during install then | 08:12 |
| gnarface | well, there used to be something called dselect | 08:12 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure if it's still in there or not | 08:12 |
| gnarface | it's way easier to do it after first boot | 08:12 |
| gnarface | does the machine have a network device? | 08:13 |
| bozonius | sure. I'll do that when I get back on the test box. Right now, I'm working on a different issue. | 08:13 |
| bozonius | yes, but the installer complained it might not have a driver for it (rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw) | 08:13 |
| gnarface | that's firmware | 08:14 |
| bozonius | oops. | 08:14 |
| bozonius | i Meant that | 08:14 |
| bozonius | (what you said) | 08:14 |
| gnarface | if it can't find it maybe it's in non-free | 08:15 |
| bozonius | thankfully, I have lots of NICs around here... | 08:15 |
| gnarface | yes, confirmed, it's in firmware-realtek, in non-free | 08:16 |
| gnarface | it might not actually be required | 08:16 |
| bozonius | thanks for this info | 08:16 |
| gnarface | lots of their devices still work with limited functionality without it | 08:17 |
| gnarface | but i can't tell you anything about that specific one | 08:17 |
| bozonius | np, gnarface | 08:17 |
| bozonius | just thought I'd mention it | 08:17 |
| bozonius | the problem there is not the card or the board, it's just that bozonius hasn't hooked up internet yet | 08:17 |
| gnarface | typical limitations are that gigabit devices will only run at 100 megabit, and wifi devices will not allow encryption, or only allow wep encryption, etc | 08:17 |
| bozonius | WEP | 08:18 |
| bozonius | (omg) | 08:18 |
| bozonius | had another interesting problem... I mean, if you really wanna hear about it | 08:19 |
| bozonius | I have my monitor hooked up to both my regular machine (where most of these fun visits originate from) and my new test box | 08:19 |
| bozonius | test box is on D-Sub and the other is on DVI | 08:19 |
| bozonius | somehow, this seems to have knocked out some of the vbox functionality. I have a request for help in over on vbox... seems some tickets were logged about similar issues | 08:20 |
| bozonius | when I switched back to the DVI connection, several VMs had been saved (not killed though) | 08:21 |
| bozonius | one ticket out there already said that unplugging a monitor caused vbox to have a panic attack or something | 08:21 |
| bozonius | this is a different issue, nothing to do with devuan, just mentioning it | 08:22 |
| gnarface | interesting | 08:22 |
| gnarface | vbox must react to dpms? | 08:22 |
| gnarface | that seems like a weird thing to do | 08:22 |
| gnarface | i wonder if it still happens if you disable dpms | 08:24 |
| gnarface | i guess maybe it's reacting to xrandr events instead? | 08:25 |
| gnarface | either way, seems weird to me | 08:25 |
| bozonius | so it could be related to my switching the two ports | 08:25 |
| bozonius | s/switching/switching between/ | 08:25 |
| bozonius | wouldn't that be more on the part of the host system? Just asking | 08:26 |
| bozonius | Centos 6.9 and no longer in support | 08:27 |
| gnarface | you would think so | 08:27 |
| bozonius | I mean, not really vbox itself, but the host OS environment | 08:27 |
| gnarface | it seems unreasonably bad behavior for vbox to care what the host display does | 08:28 |
| bozonius | it's still 2.6.32 kernel... | 08:28 |
| gnarface | i admit i have trouble believing it's true | 08:28 |
| gnarface | but i've also learned that blaming it on vbox is a safe bet | 08:28 |
| bozonius | vbox has its share of interesting facts | 08:28 |
| bozonius | LOL. ok | 08:28 |
| bozonius | I'll keep that in mind next time I come a-griping | 08:29 |
| gnarface | it does the same thing when you unplug the display? | 08:29 |
| bozonius | oh, I really don't know | 08:29 |
| bozonius | I'm afraid to test too much | 08:29 |
| gnarface | it might help to know | 08:29 |
| bozonius | yeah... | 08:29 |
| bozonius | especially if I plan on doing this into the future. | 08:29 |
| bozonius | I do have an old monitor I could use instead | 08:29 |
| gnarface | yea, analog connections might be less likely to exhibit this type of behavior... | 08:30 |
| bozonius | and avoid this altogether | 08:30 |
| bozonius | monitor is not that old... but it does have a D-sub | 08:31 |
| bozonius | no dvi or hdmi | 08:31 |
| bozonius | problem is simply... uh | 08:31 |
| bozonius | desk space | 08:31 |
| bozonius | also, I'd need a VGA cable that could stretch all the way from the far side of my desk to the compartment, below, on the other side | 08:33 |
| bozonius | I could probably make it work | 08:33 |
| bozonius | And maybe getting some of this other clutter off my desk wouldn't be so bad anyway | 08:33 |
| gnarface | well you shouldn't have to | 08:35 |
| gnarface | in a fair world, vbox shouldn't care about the display | 08:35 |
| gnarface | or at least should have some way to tell you to shut it off | 08:35 |
| bozonius | About a 1/3 of the desk has become my medicine chest | 08:35 |
| bozonius | looks like there IS a way to disable dpms | 08:36 |
| bozonius | but these people are complaining that they want it ON, not OFF | 08:37 |
| gnarface | oh, hmmm | 08:37 |
| gnarface | well it was just a guess really | 08:37 |
| gnarface | dpms or xrandr | 08:37 |
| bozonius | crap... some of these are 10 years old... | 08:37 |
| bozonius | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/virtualbox-5-1-on-14-2-a-4175613422/#post5756942 | 08:40 |
| gnarface | i doubt it's worth the trouble, honestly you should just use qemu-kvm instead | 08:40 |
| nacelle | virtualbox is poop | 08:40 |
| bozonius | note the poster says that code to strip the dpms code is no longer needed | 08:40 |
| bozonius | yeah, actually gnarface, I've considered using alpine with kvm to run VMs | 08:41 |
| nacelle | its the way to go | 08:41 |
| nacelle | you get ksp, etc. | 08:41 |
| bozonius | ksp? | 08:41 |
| nacelle | (kernel share pages) | 08:41 |
| nacelle | shared, even | 08:41 |
| gnarface | of course the primary bonus feature is that it actually works | 08:41 |
| bozonius | ksp makes me a bit leery... | 08:42 |
| nacelle | like, if you're running two vms that are really just copies of the same OS and they load the same libraries, the memory is going to look about the same. | 08:42 |
| bozonius | so it is like docker then | 08:42 |
| bozonius | containers, not true VMs | 08:42 |
| nacelle | no | 08:42 |
| bozonius | which is fine if that's what you want to do | 08:42 |
| nacelle | its true vms | 08:42 |
| bozonius | how much memory will be saved typically? | 08:43 |
| nacelle | vmware has been doing a ksp like thing since version 3 or so | 08:43 |
| gnarface | bozonius: it has hardware virtualization support | 08:43 |
| nacelle | tons. | 08:43 |
| bozonius | I've got 16GB | 08:43 |
| bozonius | define tons | 08:43 |
| bozonius | If I were running GoDaddy I'd like that, sure | 08:43 |
| bozonius | I mean, I'll look at ksp, but I think for my needs, kvm and qemu would suffice | 08:44 |
| gnarface | sure it doesn't have a nice gui for setup, but the command-line options are a lot more reliable | 08:45 |
| bozonius | gnarface, now that I have a test box it will be easier to experiment with new technologies without worrying about corrupting my system I use for real world stuff | 08:45 |
| bozonius | actually, there IS a gui of sorts, but I have yet to look at that in depth | 08:45 |
| gnarface | well there are probably several 3rd party front-ends | 08:45 |
| gnarface | i've only used one and didn't like it | 08:46 |
| bozonius | gnarface, I think you are a command line kind of guy | 08:46 |
| bozonius | I like the GUIs myself, as long as they are not too complex | 08:46 |
| bozonius | there's a point of shrinking returns | 08:46 |
| bozonius | nacelle: I usually run very hetero VMs | 08:48 |
| bozonius | not sure how much I'd be saving | 08:48 |
| nacelle | you run ksp on top of a qemu/kvm box | 08:51 |
| bozonius | gnarface: I think I shall clear off my desk a bit and place the 2nd monitor and avoid all the drama | 08:51 |
| nacelle | basically, without it, you can run vms until you run out of memory, where they allocate all of their memory at run time. | 08:51 |
| nacelle | no fun. | 08:51 |
| nacelle | so if you want to run 8 2GB VMs on a 16GB box... you can't. you won't have the room for them with the hypervisor. | 08:52 |
| nacelle | but, run ksp, and you'll likely have multiple things going on | 08:52 |
| nacelle | 1) pages that are duplicate are only stored once, with pointers for the vms that need the pages | 08:52 |
| bozonius | nacelle: I get how it works. | 08:52 |
| nacelle | 2) pages not in use arent counted against the running total... so you can run a ton of extra VMs | 08:53 |
| bozonius | But if the VMs you are running are not identical or even similar how much would it save | 08:53 |
| nacelle | they will likely have a small percentage of shared pages, but the bigger savings there is because you can allocate only what you need | 08:53 |
| nacelle | its just a setting to flip on and try | 08:53 |
| bozonius | sure, and I will. thanks | 08:54 |
| bozonius | right now, I've got a problem with the monitor port switching between my test and main boxes | 08:54 |
| nacelle | its the big hurdle people have hit in switching to qemu-kvm from vmware/etc. in my experience | 08:54 |
| nacelle | https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/KSM | 08:54 |
| bozonius | Hurdle? | 08:54 |
| nacelle | THERE. | 08:54 |
| nacelle | that's the name of it. | 08:54 |
| nacelle | right | 08:55 |
| bozonius | doesn't sound like a hurdle to me | 08:55 |
| nacelle | on VMware, they could launch 20 vms on the hardware... then they install linux and run qemu-kvm on it and can only launch like 10 of their vms.. and they're like... "WTF?" | 08:55 |
| buZz | btw, if you want to run linux VMs , LXC is really good | 08:55 |
| nacelle | ok | 08:55 |
| buZz | and has way lower demands on resources | 08:55 |
| bozonius | LXC testing is on my technology bucket list also... | 08:56 |
| bozonius | LXC is probably taking advantage of Unix fork() | 08:57 |
| bozonius | so there's no need for bookkeeping all the checksums | 08:57 |
| buZz | bozonius: yeah and kernel namespacing etc | 09:00 |
| buZz | its quite fancy | 09:00 |
| bozonius | right, which is all in the kernel to start with | 09:00 |
| bozonius | bedtime for bozonius | 09:05 |
| bozonius | thanks gnarface and all who contributed | 09:06 |
| buZz | sleep tight | 09:06 |
| bozonius | thanks | 09:06 |
| gnarface | no problem bozonius, grats on the test machine | 09:06 |
| bozonius | I'm psyched! | 09:06 |
| gnarface | i think you'll find stuff makes a lot more sense when you start with bare metal | 09:06 |
| bozonius | this will be a load of fun | 09:07 |
| bozonius | yes, especially when I am not concerned (too much) about corrupting IMPORTANT work | 09:07 |
| bozonius | it's been ages since I had a real test box | 09:07 |
| jaromil | buZz: have you tried lxc2 with lxd? | 11:33 |
| buZz | i'm using proxmox to manage it for me | 11:33 |
| buZz | and keep pushing off of trying to install proxmox on top of devuan | 11:34 |
| buZz | :) | 11:34 |
| buZz | but i do feel a reinstall coming in future when i move to more HA setup | 11:35 |
| jaromil | proxmox supports lxc2 already? | 11:37 |
| jaromil | i'm considering it now for the reinstallation of my home server :^P | 11:38 |
| jaromil | definitely want to leverage lxc but then something to make it easy to manage would help | 11:38 |
| buZz | i think proxmox still uses lxc1 , couldnt find it, but i'll ask ##proxmox | 11:56 |
| buZz | jaromil: fyi, proxmox + containers functions inside of virtualbox, if you wanna try it out | 11:57 |
| buZz | just kvm doesnt, last i tried | 11:57 |
| jaromil | ok. my wish: i'd like to run proxmox on bare metal to manage lxc2 containers. or anything else that can do that easily | 12:21 |
| jaromil | afaik opennebula doesn't do lxc | 12:22 |
| buZz | hmm, lxc 1.0 will EOL in june 2019 | 12:42 |
| buZz | guess proxmox will move to lxc 2.0 before that | 12:42 |
| jaromil | hopeso | 12:43 |
| icarious | Hi. How does one opt for devuan to use OpenRC if one takes the deboostrap installation route? | 15:51 |
| parazyd | icarious: You can chroot and install openrc manually with apt. | 15:52 |
| icarious | parazyd: And installing it will automatically set it as the default? | 15:53 |
| parazyd | It'll be the only one. You can have 1 init installed. | 15:53 |
| parazyd | It's gonna remove the existing one and replace it with OpenRC> | 15:53 |
| icarious | Ok. Thanks | 15:53 |
| parazyd | You're welcome. | 15:53 |
| parazyd | On another note, does anyone know if wpasupplicant forces having dbus installed? | 15:53 |
| KatolaZ | parazyd: it wants libdbus | 16:00 |
| parazyd | But not dbus itself? | 16:01 |
| icarious | On a side node. Does devuan plans to include https://www.basilisk-browser.org/ as a package? Given not everyone is happy with Firefox Quantum. This could be a "browser-freedom" so to speak | 16:01 |
| jaromil | regarding package inclusion, don't ask what DEvuan can do for you, but ask yourself what you can do for Devuan ... :^) | 16:03 |
| icarious | jaromil: Was a "Suggestion" before the next freeze. if I could do it for Devuan, I wouldn't actually ask. Not a good packager as such. Besides I use Gentoo. Would just migrade my mother's Debian laptop to Devuan + OpenRC | 16:04 |
| ryuujin | q | 16:08 |
| bozonius | I don't have internet on my test box yet, but devuan ascii does boot... to command line. Tried to install xinit to get x11 -- or what do I need? | 17:59 |
| bozonius | btw, this is on REAL hardware this time | 18:00 |
| fsmithred | bozonius, install at least xserver-xorg to get the basics or xorg to get it all. | 18:09 |
| bozonius | all I have is the cdrom now | 18:18 |
| bozonius | the deb cdrom: line is not commented, so it should work | 18:18 |
| bozonius | but apt-cache search xserver-org comes up bupkas | 18:19 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: is it a DVD? | 18:20 |
| bozonius | unless it is not available on CD | 18:20 |
| bozonius | uh... | 18:20 |
| bozonius | you know what? | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: how many cdroms do you have? | 18:21 |
| bozonius | I have netinstall | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | oh | 18:21 |
| bozonius | zero | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | then you just have the base system | 18:21 |
| bozonius | nvm guys | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | fullstop | 18:21 |
| bozonius | yep | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | sorry | 18:21 |
| bozonius | nvm, nvm, nvm | 18:21 |
| * bozonius has done it again | 18:21 | |
| KatolaZ | netinst gets only the packages to debootstrap | 18:21 |
| bozonius | got it | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | can you get a network connection? | 18:22 |
| bozonius | I forgot I was using netinstall. Please forgive me. | 18:22 |
| bozonius | yes, I can get one, but it is a project and I have to go to a dr appt shortly | 18:22 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: no need to apologize :) | 18:22 |
| bozonius | I'm going to ask him about a memory transplant | 18:23 |
| bozonius | seriously, just the chiropractor | 18:23 |
| fsmithred | whose memories do you want? | 18:23 |
| bozonius | no, I want empty, clean, virgin memory fsmithred! | 18:23 |
| bozonius | I've got enough of my own | 18:23 |
| fsmithred | if you wait long enough, they'll all go away | 18:24 |
| bozonius | actually, it seems I don't have to wait long at all... | 18:24 |
| bozonius | maybe coffee will help | 18:24 |
| * bozonius tells himself | 18:24 | |
| fsmithred | I know the feeling. Don't forget your appointment | 18:24 |
| g0zzy | Have been used to using the following (on 'standard' Debian) to display message on remote user's screen but nothing appears with the following on Devuan: sudo -H -S -u roger -- pluma /tmp/upd.txt --display=:0.0 | 19:41 |
| g0zzy | Sorry - fixed i think. Not sure what the '--' was. When removed, it works | 19:48 |
| rsevero | Hi. I'm trying to install Devuan 2.0 in a brand new AMD Ryzen 2400 G but I'm getting "AMD-Vi: Completion-Wait loop timed out" warnings and eventually kernel panics. Tried with CentOS and got the same problem. Seems to be related to kernel 4.X. Ideas? | 20:42 |
| muep_ | I'd suggest trying with some fairly recent distribution to confirm that the hardware works | 20:45 |
| muep_ | especially if the kernel version is older than your motherboard chipset, there will often be trouble | 20:53 |
| rsevero | Apparently there is some incompatibility with some 4.x kernels, new AMD systems and IOMMU. For me, disabling IOMMU seems to have done the trick: installation is going on. I will see if after installation, with newest kernel available I can get IOMMU enabled again. | 20:54 |
| rsevero | Tried with Devuan 2.0, CentOS 7 and XUbuntu 18.04. All presented the same issue. | 20:55 |
| muep_ | 4.x means a pretty huge range of kernels over many years, including the latest ones | 20:56 |
| muep_ | but I would not expect you to get much more success with kernels whose version starts with 3 | 20:56 |
| rsevero | As per comments I got in the net, 3.x kernels are fine. I will report back when I finish my installation and update everything. | 20:59 |
| muep_ | also 3.x is a huge range of versions | 21:01 |
| logo4poop | i had a issue yesterday and ifixed it | 21:02 |
| logo4poop | thanks gnarface | 21:02 |
| logo4poop | or whatever your username is | 21:02 |
| logo4poop | i fixed it by enabling uefi | 21:02 |
| rsevero | muep_: In case you are interested in more info about this issue: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/amd-gfx/2017-March/006329.html | 21:06 |
| muep_ | here to me it does not seem to suggest that it would be specific to having the version number begin with 4 | 21:07 |
| muep_ | the change in linux versions from 3.x to 4.x was purely an aesthetic one | 21:07 |
| rsevero | Humm, I see that the 4.x kernel info really got you hooked. I was just passing along some info other guy got when trying to pin point this issue. But on the above link you can see a commit id. | 21:08 |
| muep_ | I'd read that mail more like "you should try something more recent than 4.10" | 21:08 |
| rsevero | Really? It mentions one specific kernel commit. | 21:09 |
| muep_ | it might be some other issue, but I really would not expect a brand new ryzen system to work well with a 3.x kernel from three years ago | 21:10 |
| rsevero | But anyway, I will see if with the latest devuan 2.0 kernel I can get iommu back and report here. | 21:10 |
| muep_ | at least based on my limited experience of supporting corporate linux desktops, old kernel + new hardware is good for keeping the admins busy | 21:11 |
| ponchale | We are a foundation and we use as based Devuan for build an distro different where we promote the use of web apps inheriting the concept of FFOS | 21:20 |
| rsevero | muep_: Great advice muep_, thanks. | 21:20 |
| ponchale | What can we do to have them published on Devuan's website? | 21:20 |
| rsevero | Fully updated devuan 2.0 needs "iommu=soft" kernel parameter to work on Ryzen 2400G with IOMMU enabled in the BIOS. | 21:20 |
| rsevero | I will try now with a newer kernel as devuan is installing 4.9.0. | 21:21 |
| golinux | ponchale: A link would be a good start. You talked about this some time ago but I forget the name of the project | 21:57 |
| ponchale | yeah golinux but with centurion and another person that I do not remember well no agreement was reached | 21:58 |
| golinux | I looked around for FFOS yesterday when I saw you here and it looked dead | 21:59 |
| golinux | Search pulled almost nothing. | 22:00 |
| golinux | It helps to be active on our channels. Just stopping by, making a request and disappearing does not build confidence. | 22:01 |
| ponchale | FFOS yeah is dead but Astian OS is live and we seek the support of gitlab | 22:01 |
| ponchale | here https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gitlab-oss/merge_requests/7 | 22:01 |
| ponchale | now I send de link of page one moment please | 22:03 |
| ponchale | golinux, look please https://www.astian.org/astian-os | 22:07 |
| ponchale | and spanish https://www.astian.org/astian-os-es | 22:07 |
| ponchale | we seek and now we insist on establishing a strong alliance with Devuan | 22:07 |
| golinux | What do you consider an alliance? | 22:08 |
| golinux | "Alliance" assumes some sort of participation. | 22:10 |
| golinux | I couldn't remember astian. And a FFOS search no longer points to it. | 22:11 |
| golinux | I will mention astian at our next Devuan meet and provide the link. | 22:13 |
| ponchale | golinux, an alliance where we both benefit, for example, where the Astian foundation helps Devuan's maintenance, not only with a participation but also providing tools such as an official desk for Devuan help in the translation into Spanish and Portuguese among others and Devuan helps us develop our OS and base a sdk based on Devuan's | 22:16 |
| ponchale | etc | 22:16 |
| golinux | ponchale | 22:25 |
| golinux | Oh he left . . . bummer | 22:26 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!