| bjb | running buildbot tests (of buildbot itself) on a devuan ascii system, the test_buildbot_net_usage_data test fails because it fails to parse /etc/os-release | 04:37 |
|---|---|---|
| bjb | It finds "ID" ok, but it fails to find "VERSION_ID" | 04:41 |
| hiya | anyone here running ryzen 7 2700u/ | 07:58 |
| edbarx | Could someone reply whether this statement in debian/rules is supported? | 11:07 |
| edbarx | Statement: dh $@ --with-python2 --parallel | 11:07 |
| enyc | hrrm | 13:07 |
| enyc | with devuan-ascii and MATE, whatevers' different with dbus/udev and all this here... The "Places"->"Removable Media" fills up with MTP devices (e.g. plugging in android widgets) and never clears them out... and eventually fails to mount any removable media properly... | 13:08 |
| enyc | any idea what may be at fault / how to debug? others seen this? | 13:08 |
| furrymcgee | are vendor-specific patch series used in devuan packages? | 14:24 |
| gnarface | they are just the debian packages | 14:25 |
| gnarface | none of that stuff was changed | 14:25 |
| furrymcgee | actually the differences are interesting to me | 14:41 |
| louisdb | hel | 14:53 |
| louisdb | hello | 14:53 |
| gnarface | furrymcgee: you're probably looking for this https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 15:15 |
| gnarface | everything else is pretty much the same, except packages that could be made to not require systemd were | 15:16 |
| gnarface | most the packages remain unchanged | 15:16 |
| furrymcgee | if i use a debian repository does it work with ascii installer? | 15:25 |
| louisdb | hello, can someone help me solve a problem I have with my Devuan install please : https://superuser.com/questions/1343150 | 15:46 |
| Nineteen | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 16:36 |
| Nineteen | or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ | 16:36 |
| Nineteen | Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate | 16:36 |
| golinux | furrymcgee: Debian repositories are already available from devuan via a redirect. Do not use Debian repos directly. | 16:42 |
| * furrywolf pokes furrymcgee to figure out what a mcgeee is | 16:46 | |
| orliesaurus25 | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 17:16 |
| myth0d2211 | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 17:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 hands sigyn a cookie | 17:21 | |
| furrymcgee | The names Magee and McGee originated in | 17:36 |
| furrymcgee | Ulster Province in Ireland | 17:36 |
| MobileMatt | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Political_campaigning spam, right? Please ignore it | 18:20 |
| ChickenSoup_ | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 19:31 |
| ChickenSoup_ | or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ | 19:31 |
| golinux | Is there anyway to stop this spam before the fact? | 19:32 |
| furrywolf | I'd recommend a baseball bat. the hard part is finding where to apply it. | 19:32 |
| KatolaZ | mmmhhh.... I guess it's called "premonition" but works only if you believe in a god or deity | 19:33 |
| KatolaZ | it's hard to teach a bot to believe in a god, though | 19:34 |
| KatolaZ | :P | 19:34 |
| furrywolf | freenode could improve their detection to recognize repeat spammers better, but that's not something you could do at a channel level. | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: ((Is there anyway to stop this spam before the fact)) nope | 19:36 |
| furrywolf | if a client connects and immediately says a line that was part of a recent spam, kill it right then and there, don't even send the spam out. but, that would likely take ircd and services changes. | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: any proactive antispam would need filtering on the IRC network, and that's a absolute nogo by policy in freenode | 19:37 |
| furrywolf | the ircd would need to contain a list of filters to match things that would get the client immediately killed, and the spam bot would need to propogate new filters out every time it kills something. | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I discussed it ad nauseum with netops | 19:37 |
| KatolaZ | it's like shooting any postmen on sight, to avoid they can deliver any useless advert... | 19:38 |
| KatolaZ | ...it does not work at scale | 19:38 |
| furrywolf | this spammer would be exceptionally easy to get rid of this way, since its first line is always the same, with no variations... | 19:38 |
| furrywolf | postmen also deliver legitimate mail. | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could inplement a 1000ms FIFO buffer in your bouncer, and delete entries in that buffer before getting forwarded to clients, on detecting "(Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))." | 19:39 |
| furrywolf | this is more like the people who go door-to-door saying they got called to look at your furnace, when they hadn't. | 19:39 |
| KatolaZ | and you don't have a furnace... | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: actually I think such a ZNC plugin would be very useful and not too hard to implement | 19:40 |
| furrywolf | I'd much rather do it at the ircd level. | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freenode will refuse | 19:40 |
| furrywolf | that way it protects all users, not the 0.1% using znc. heh. | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | absolute nogo policy | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I argued with staff about it ad nauseum | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually they already *do* filtering for colors in channel ;-) | 19:41 |
| furrywolf | eh? freenode already filters both on content (like how that spammer keeps getting killed) and on ip address (like how I'm required to connect with SASL, and any client not supporting it is banned)... | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, kline is sigyn, an utility bot. Not ircd | 19:42 |
| furrywolf | it's just making the spam filter faster. if a client connects and says something that was said as part of a previous spam kill, kill it then, not wait for it to trip the rest of the spam threshold. | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, they also "filter" on IP for klines etc :-) | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't argue with me, I'm on same page. I just repeat what freenode staffers told me | 19:43 |
| furrywolf | I argued with them for hours that banning non-sasl clients was utterly fucking stupid, and no one listened. | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [25.07.18 19:23:12] <mquin> g0: Yes, one of our utility bots | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [25.07.18 19:27:20] <mniip> g0, there's privacy issues with filtering everyone's messages on ircd scale | 19:44 |
| furrywolf | I think the problem is they simply don't listen, no matter which side of the issue they're on. :P | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 20 min old | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "freenode DOES NOT filter" period. :-S | 19:45 |
| furrywolf | they randomly ban entire isps, requiring users to switch to a sasl-capable client to connect, AND have already registered their nick from another IP. if you do not have a registered nick, you are 100% banned, even if you have a sasl-capable client. | 19:45 |
| furrywolf | so... any arguments they don't filter at the ircd level are not true. | 19:45 |
| furrywolf | you have to email them and ask them to register a nick for you, or connect through a proxy or web client. | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ack, but... it's useless to argue with them | 19:46 |
| furrywolf | (my ISP is one of the ones they do this for) | 19:46 |
| Leander | hi everyone, I just managed to get online so I didn't have time to really look for it, but did anyone complain about their dhcp client just not working any more? | 19:54 |
| furrywolf | ah, nothing like http://rabbit.dereferenced.org/~nenolod/nda.pdf (which is the third google result for sigyn) to remind me why I don't have anything to do with freenode management. | 19:54 |
| Leander | for some reason, my laptop can't use dhcp both on eth0 and wlan0, which was working fine right before I start traveling (because... where's the fun otherwise, I guess) | 19:55 |
| furrywolf | you might have to make sure one interface is down before getting an ip on the other, or you could end up with broken routing. | 19:56 |
| Leander | I use ifup and ifdown extensively, I don't think it's just a routing problem | 19:57 |
| KatolaZ | Leander: how many default gw do you have? | 19:57 |
| KatolaZ | dhclient will normally set one for every interface it gets a lease | 19:58 |
| Leander | well, right now it's working and I have just one, while it wasn't working I had none | 19:58 |
| Leander | the problem was: I never got a lease in the first place | 19:58 |
| Leander | dhclient keeps sending UDP packets, but I'm not quite sure they ever leave my laptop | 19:58 |
| Leander | I don't see a single packet in iptables | 19:59 |
| KatolaZ | Leander: you can't see anything in iptables.... | 19:59 |
| furrywolf | DocScrutinizer51: you should read that pdf. :) | 19:59 |
| KatolaZ | dhcp happens at level 2 | 19:59 |
| furrywolf | er05: | 19:59 |
| furrywolf | grr | 19:59 |
| * furrywolf kicks bitchx | 19:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, why? | 20:00 |
| furrywolf | shows you how freenode staff think. heh. | 20:01 |
| furrywolf | try arguing with anyone who would ever write something like that. :) | 20:01 |
| Leander | dhcp works on udp, ports 67 and 68, so I assume iptables should report something when I make it log them? | 20:01 |
| Leander | or is it short-circuited in the kernel? | 20:01 |
| KatolaZ | Leander: to get an IP, dhcp uses an ad-hoc level-2 broadcast frame | 20:02 |
| KatolaZ | dhcp is actually the best example of level-2.5 service :D | 20:02 |
| Leander | I thought that frame was actually a special UDP packet | 20:02 |
| Leander | I never looked into the details | 20:03 |
| KatolaZ | Leander: how do you send a UDP packet if you don't have an IP? | 20:03 |
| KatolaZ | (and how would you receive one, worse?) | 20:03 |
| furrywolf | broadcast. | 20:03 |
| Leander | you broadcast to 255.255.255.255 and there's your mac address in the level 2 header? | 20:03 |
| furrywolf | broadcast the request, get it back directed at your mac address | 20:04 |
| KatolaZ | you can get the frame back | 20:05 |
| furrywolf | the server could also broadcast back the offer, but I think mac-based is more common | 20:05 |
| KatolaZ | (the level-2 frame) | 20:05 |
| KatolaZ | that's why it's a level-2.5 protocol | 20:05 |
| Leander | sorry it's dinner time, I'll let you discuss the specifics of dhcp, I'll take that time to think more calmly about what could be wrong on my side | 20:05 |
| KatolaZ | the UDP datagram is only the format used inside the level-2 frame | 20:05 |
| furrywolf | s/request/discover | 20:05 |
| * furrywolf hasn't fucked with dhcp in a long time | 20:05 | |
| doomcup | On how to prevent the spam bots: make an IRC channel registered users only. The downside is anybody wanting on a channel would have to register, but this also means you don't have drivebys | 20:06 |
| doomcup | At least not by unregistered bots | 20:06 |
| furrywolf | there's plenty of spambots with registered nicks these days | 20:06 |
| furrywolf | and it pisses off normal people, prevents new users from asking for help, etc. | 20:06 |
| * unmy is happy with 'udhcpc' since isc-dhcp client was making problems and didn't feel that wanna investigate it more... | 20:06 | |
| doomcup | I've been on another server where those specific bots are popping up, and they're not in the channels that requre a registered nick | 20:07 |
| KatolaZ | we don't need to restrict this channel to registered users | 20:07 |
| KatolaZ | this is a support channel | 20:07 |
| doomcup | Fair, I'm just talking | 20:07 |
| KatolaZ | doomcup: I see your point though | 20:09 |
| dudlike | Is it ok to be here. Also if I havent any question now. I am new and just looking around | 20:09 |
| furrywolf | brb, wolfy food | 20:09 |
| KatolaZ | many channels allow only registered nicks | 20:09 |
| unixman | dudlike, idling in an IRC channel is encouraged behavior. There are over 200 accounts idling in this channel right now. ;) | 20:17 |
| unixman | If you want to see epic idling, #bash regularly has over 1000 accounts idling there. | 20:18 |
| dudlike | Should I go out? | 20:18 |
| unixman | dudlike, no, stay. I am joking around. But idling here to watch what goes on before participating is a good idea. | 20:19 |
| dudlike | Yes, I thing Its proper entertainment for me | 20:19 |
| KatolaZ | dudlike: why should you? | 20:19 |
| KatolaZ | (I mean, why should you go out?) | 20:20 |
| dudlike | It will sound stupid, but its my first visiting of IRC channel. So I dont know what is normal behavior here. I did for 7 years all that hard rtfm work and now I decided to connect some people :-) | 20:21 |
| dudlike | I meant contact | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: what's wrong with this NDA? | 20:22 |
| nkk71 | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: btw I tried once more a 5 min ago, this time completely avoiding the nasty F* word ("filter") ;-P >>[25.07.18 20:17:21] <DocScrutinizer05> some sort of "fastpath" for sigyn would be nice - so in ideal case the kline arrives at server before the triggering transaction gets committed (msg deployed) and thus the incomplete transaction could get rolled back<< | 20:24 |
| dudlike | Is Devuan often used for carrying on servers, or people often use more famous and better supported distributions? | 20:26 |
| KatolaZ | dudlike: devuan is running on a lot of servers | 20:27 |
| dudlike | That's what I could expect :-) | 20:28 |
| dudlike | Is Devuan also good for desktops and audio stations? Similar as Debian. I use Debian for three years and everything works for me. | 20:30 |
| dudlike | I will install it as virtual and I ll see | 20:32 |
| dudlike | Can you recommend me some room, where I could find out something interesting? | 20:34 |
| dudlike | Next time I'll try something to the point. | 20:39 |
| KatolaZ | dudlike: what do you mean? | 20:40 |
| dudlike | For example solving some problems, what is planned, how could one participate, although I havent much time anyway. | 20:43 |
| KatolaZ | dudlike: dev1galaxy.org is one place to start from | 20:45 |
| KatolaZ | or the DNG mailing list | 20:45 |
| dudlike | thanks | 20:45 |
| KatolaZ | dudlike: but please feel free to ask here as well | 20:47 |
| dudlike | Fine :-) | 20:48 |
| Guest63153 | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 20:56 |
| Guest63153 | or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ | 20:56 |
| Guest63153 | Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | dudlike, I have a devuan audio (recording) laptop in a radio station. Running rivendell and using audacity for recording. Nobody has complained. | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | um, actually, there are two running devuan now. Server is still running wheezy. | 21:01 |
| dudlike | :-) Thats where I started wheezy and ubuntu 10.4 | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | one glitch I've noticed is that every release upgrade, there's a different syntax to change the order of the sound cards. | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | damned hdmi tries to be first. We're using external audio interface. | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | but that's not specific to devuan. | 21:02 |
| dudlike | Thank you for reply. | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | yw | 21:02 |
| dudlike | Yes, I ll take care. Where can I start when I am looking for professional sound card for recording? | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | there are a couple of linux audio websites | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | forum, hardware info | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | we're using Komplete Audio K6 | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | there's a red one that people like, too. Can't remember the name. | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | some are using old m-audio (?) | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | mackie sound boards work as usb audio, too. Plug and play | 21:06 |
| fsmithred | high-end professional stuff works less often with linux | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | you recording music? | 21:07 |
| dudlike | I play music, but I want to record it :-) | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | do some research | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | I have to go carry stuff. back in a bit. | 21:08 |
| dudlike | yes, thanks | 21:08 |
| LewsThanThree6 | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 21:45 |
| Me450218 | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 22:24 |
| Me450218 | or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ | 22:24 |
| Me450218 | Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate | 22:24 |
| drakythe26 | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 22:57 |
| drakythe26 | or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ | 22:57 |
| puff7 | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 23:28 |
| yaymuffins16 | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ | 23:33 |
| yaymuffins16 | or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | wtf with all the spam today? | 23:56 |
| golinux | No shit | 23:56 |
| golinux | That's all that's been happening all sft. | 23:56 |
| fsmithred | dudlike, https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/hardware_support https://linuxmusicians.com/ | 23:56 |
| golinux | come talk to blinkdog on jitsi! | 23:57 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna take a walk to the supermarket and hardware store. Oh! is it wednesday? | 23:57 |
| fsmithred | I can do audio only, probably for a few minutes | 23:58 |
| fsmithred | need link | 23:58 |
| blinkdog | no pad https://vdc.dyne.org/devuan | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gonna tweak chanmodes temporarily | 23:58 |
| fsmithred | oh, I have it | 23:58 |
| fsmithred | we need to shoot them before they get to say anything | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ unidentified users are only visible to chanops | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: not possible | 23:59 |
| golinux | I suggested that. | 23:59 |
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