Xenguy | Ooo, that was interesting | 00:58 |
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Xenguy | A previous guest? | 00:58 |
Xenguy | Pretty quick | 00:58 |
Xenguy | But why not k-line, as someone pointed out? | 00:58 |
Criggie | cos the user and host keeps changing | 01:00 |
Criggie | coould be a botnet of infected machines that otherwise wouldn't even connect to IRC. | 01:01 |
Xenguy | Why not bin them all though, instead of letting them return? | 01:11 |
Xenguy | Or maybe I misunderstand this case, not sure | 01:11 |
Xenguy | "I remember the time I binned a botnet..." | 01:12 |
Xenguy | There must be some reason, so kudos to whoever is handling this | 01:12 |
Joerg-Neo900 | xenguy: Sigyn *does* kline all spammers | 03:25 |
Joerg-Neo900 | it's a botnet with a lot of unpredictable IPs and each IP gets used only once it seems | 03:26 |
Xenguy | Joerg-Neo900: Thanks for clarification | 03:27 |
Joerg-Neo900 | yw | 03:27 |
Xenguy | It makes you wonder who has botnets like this, and what their motive is | 03:27 |
* gnarface doesn't wonder | 03:28 | |
Xenguy | aha, speak! | 03:28 |
Xenguy | : -) | 03:28 |
debdog | moneyz | 03:28 |
gnarface | i think it's pretty obvious what their motive is. you'd see it too if you could adjust your perception to fit a scale of economy where screwing with people on the internet is actually the best use of your time | 03:29 |
* Xenguy is in the process of creating the world's most delicious grilled cheese ever, so please be patient ; ) | 03:29 | |
Joerg-Neo900 | the bets are on: 25 year old script kiddie with a mind of a 5 year old, who wnats to fight personal battles with freenode staff for FN not granting the skiddie a netop position | 03:29 |
gnarface | so you're talking about places like Siberia, inland China, Somalia, etc | 03:29 |
Xenguy | Certainly childish, but also antisocial | 03:29 |
Xenguy | brb | 03:30 |
gnarface | imagine if you sent a billion spams a day, all year long, and in the end you net about 5$ and that's actually a lot of money to you, so it's a big win and beats farming potatoes on frozen tundra | 03:30 |
gnarface | that's who we're dealing with here | 03:30 |
gnarface | weaponized boredom | 03:31 |
gnarface | they can't just fucking watch HBO | 03:31 |
gnarface | there's no job to GO to | 03:31 |
gnarface | this is literally the best thing they can do with their lives | 03:31 |
gnarface | pretty sad, really | 03:31 |
Joerg-Neo900 | I guess you got a point there, gnarface | 03:31 |
Xenguy | Really gnarface , so this is really the (many) lone gunman? | 03:32 |
gnarface | it's not just one guy but it's probably less than 1000 | 03:32 |
gnarface | the attack on freenode right now isn't an isolated operation | 03:33 |
Xenguy | huh | 03:33 |
gnarface | it's part of the larger spamming/trolling/astroturfing going on across all of social media | 03:33 |
gnarface | and yea, of course they use bots and scripts to maximize impact | 03:33 |
Joerg-Neo900 | the recent spam attacks are controlled by more than 1 but pretty sure less than 5 persons | 03:33 |
Xenguy | Who the fuck is it? | 03:33 |
gnarface | but that doesn't mean they don't have call-center-staff quantities of human button-pushers available to muster when they need it | 03:33 |
gnarface | i don't know who it is but if i had to venture a guess i'd say it's someone who was already operating call centers | 03:34 |
Xenguy | But I suppose you already tried to answer that question | 03:34 |
Joerg-Neo900 | the cyberwar, finally we're there :-S | 03:34 |
gnarface | but they're just doing it on pay from someone else (probably traitors within my own government, unfortunately) | 03:34 |
Xenguy | good point, where's the source? | 03:35 |
Xenguy | Hired guns? Yeah, but who pays them? | 03:35 |
gnarface | dirty politicians i think | 03:35 |
Xenguy | Seems like maybe some deep state actor, disruption for... er, what purpose? | 03:36 |
gnarface | but they weren't connected by chance, they were connected by social media platforms as part of the business plan for said social media platforms | 03:36 |
Joerg-Neo900 | style analysis of the SPAM suggests there are 2 or 3 authors you can tell apart quite easily, and they are very unique, down to repeating typos etc | 03:36 |
gnarface | it's disruption that is the product | 03:36 |
Xenguy | huh | 03:36 |
Xenguy | gnarface: Yes, maybe just disruption of (tekkie) IRC | 03:37 |
gnarface | we're the backbone of informed technical discourse on the internet | 03:37 |
Joerg-Neo900 | :-D | 03:38 |
gnarface | while we're dealing with this shit, have you noticed anything about the general level of informedness of the rest of the public lately? | 03:38 |
Xenguy | Anymore, that seems true, I can't understand most of the people left here now ; -) | 03:38 |
Xenguy | Ad hominem | 03:38 |
Xenguy | That's what I notice | 03:38 |
gnarface | as far as i can tell, the overarching goal is to chop up the US and sell it for scrap | 03:39 |
gnarface | but there's a lot of money being made tangentially to that too | 03:39 |
gnarface | (mostly in stolen credit cards and user accounts) | 03:40 |
Xenguy | OK I'm going to go out on a limb and say, bingo, and furthermore, I bloody predicted this quite some years ago | 03:40 |
Xenguy | Like, an auction going on | 03:40 |
Xenguy | brb | 03:40 |
gnarface | yea we all saw it coming but i guess that's what makes us seem weird and untrustworthy | 03:40 |
gnarface | as early as the late 90's i was already suspicious that big money was trying to do this | 03:41 |
gnarface | i just didn't think it would work | 03:41 |
gnarface | i was naive about a lot more stuff back then | 03:42 |
Xenguy | As we know, it's currently about who has the most (unlimited contributions allowed) $$ | 03:57 |
Xenguy | So, it is de facto corrupt | 03:57 |
Xenguy | The US is also a unique use case re: gun ownership | 03:57 |
Xenguy | This may come to play a factor, or it may be very much overestimated | 03:58 |
Xenguy | I must rest | 03:58 |
Xenguy | Thanks for the chat folks | 03:58 |
golinux | Amend to printed gun ownership | 04:00 |
Xenguy | huh, that's a recent issue; I assume you need to own a 3D printer | 04:01 |
Criggie | the gun thing is weird - around here only farmers and hunters have guns. They only have long guns - cos pistols are super controlled. | 04:02 |
Criggie | Even cops only have tasers. | 04:02 |
Criggie | there's a special sub-group of police which are allowed guns, but they only come out on need. | 04:02 |
golinux | Xenguy: Yes | 04:03 |
golinux | This is for gnarface: http://www.vhemt.org/endtimesprofits.jpg | 04:03 |
golinux | Big money's gonna get bigger on the downslide. | 04:04 |
Xenguy | We only have so much time to enjoy it, but, you know | 04:05 |
Xenguy | hah | 04:05 |
Centurion_Dan | Criggie: Sounds like your from NZ to me | 04:06 |
golinux | You should know. :D | 04:07 |
* golinux tends to laundry | 04:07 | |
Criggie | Centurion_Dan: yeah - sorry. You lot should come visit. | 04:09 |
qixtand | #ZAP | 04:44 |
Centurion_Dan | Criggie: I'm already here ;-) | 06:03 |
Criggie | Centurion_Dan: :-P | 06:08 |
Criggie | I had to scroll back to remember the context on that one. | 06:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so quiet in here :-o everything fine? or did I kill the internet? | 11:31 |
gnarface | it still works | 11:36 |
GoatAvenger | http://theinternet.com/ | 11:38 |
GoatAvenger | confirmed. It works. | 11:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah and there's a SPAM... so everything normal | 11:57 |
detha | DocScrutinizer05: not dead. just attempting to un-break things. | 13:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | detha: hm? | 13:15 |
detha | I made the mistake of upgrading my desktop to 2.0. Big mistake. | 13:18 |
detha | which leads me back to the previous question: how to debug this http://paste.debian.net/1036398/ | 14:25 |
gnarface | google for the error messages | 14:28 |
gnarface | detha | 14:29 |
gnarface | might be an incompatible repo... | 14:29 |
gnarface | might be a bad sources.list | 14:29 |
gnarface | might be a bad repo | 14:29 |
gnarface | or you might just be missing a key | 14:29 |
detha | That is what ddg gives me yeah. Removed and re-added key using apt-key, tried the 'allow-insecure=yes' that apt_secure suggests, nada. | 14:31 |
gnarface | are you missing that gnutls library: | 14:33 |
gnarface | ? | 14:33 |
detha | there's plenty of those :p http://paste.debian.net/1036399/ | 14:34 |
detha | (don't ask. I have to keep some deb7 and deb8 packages at hand to remain compatible with centos6) | 14:35 |
gnarface | it might not matter, but does it work if you don't use https in the sources.list lines? | 14:37 |
detha | let me try | 14:38 |
detha | ah. that works. amazing, a website that doesn't force TLS. | 14:40 |
detha | I wish there were more of those | 14:40 |
detha | ok, so now I iz confused. What does tls on the repo have to do with release signing keys? | 14:44 |
gnarface | i can't tell you that, i don't know | 14:47 |
gnarface | there's a good chance it is a side-effect of mixing distros | 14:47 |
detha | I could try removing the few old packages I need temporarily, switching the old releases off, and see | 14:49 |
detha | alas, can't do that now, x11vnc in current is horribly broken | 14:50 |
gnarface | i don't know if it is a gnutls version problem or something to do with changes made to apt for amprolla3 or just a bug | 14:58 |
Joerg-Neo900 | ooooh, not even the >>has left this server (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))).<< comes through when my client has "hide join/part/nick" set | 15:02 |
detha | I doubt it is gnutls, but I notice that when using http it only pulls InRelease, when using https it pulls a whole bunch of things. Some form of 'if it is https we trust it, if it isn't we want a signed release file' | 15:04 |
DocScrutinizer51 | detha: sound strategy | 16:33 |
detha | DocScrutinizer51: maybe. But it seriously violates the principle of least astonishment. | 16:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | \o | 20:46 |
hiya | hi | 22:02 |
hiya | I want to move to devuan | 22:02 |
hiya | but only if someone help me beauty it | 22:02 |
hiya | I am pureOS user, totally love it, but devuan is more community oriented | 22:02 |
hiya | also systemd is somewhat bad from what i understand | 22:03 |
AlexLikeRock | hiya, | 22:12 |
AlexLikeRock | hi | 22:12 |
AlexLikeRock | start by download | 22:12 |
AlexLikeRock | https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 22:12 |
hiya | AlexLikeRock, i am enjoying it in vm inside pureos with youtube running in 720p | 22:17 |
hiya | any good theme suggestions? | 22:18 |
golinux | Yes. The Xfce default | 22:19 |
fsmithred | the desktop-base default is better | 22:25 |
fsmithred | (I know that's the one you meant) | 22:25 |
golinux | Yes . . . the DEVUAN Xfce default. :D | 22:32 |
hiya | wow | 22:52 |
hiya | golinux, fsmithred how much less RAM would it take vs Gnome desktop? | 22:53 |
hiya | what is the replacement for network manager openvpn plugin? | 22:53 |
hiya | also what do you use instead of gnome boxes for vms? | 22:53 |
golinux | hiya: we don;'t provide gnome though a few have kind of got it running | 22:58 |
golinux | It is heavily dependent on systemd | 22:58 |
hiya | yes but what is the libre version of virtualbox again? | 22:59 |
hiya | https://virt-manager.org/ | 23:01 |
hiya | i need this | 23:01 |
golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=virt-manager&release=any | 23:04 |
MinceR | libvirt is not the libre version of virtualbox | 23:07 |
MinceR | it's a frontend to qemu | 23:07 |
hiya | omg a lot of packages are a bit old :D | 23:16 |
hiya | welcome to debian, iguess :D | 23:16 |
golinux | If it works, who cares if it's old. | 23:21 |
hiya | golinux, yes | 23:21 |
lru | anyone know why policykit-1 suddenly depends on libpam-systemd which is not available/ | 23:40 |
lru | ? | 23:40 |
lru | this is devuan 1.0, jessie | 23:40 |
Centurion_Dan | lru: a security update in Debian - I'm working on building the devuanised version now. | 23:57 |
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