libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2018-08-02

XenguyOoo, that was interesting00:58
XenguyA previous guest?00:58
XenguyPretty quick00:58
XenguyBut why not k-line, as someone pointed out?00:58
Criggiecos the user and host keeps changing01:00
Criggiecoould be a botnet of infected machines that otherwise wouldn't even connect to IRC.01:01
XenguyWhy not bin them all though, instead of letting them return?01:11
XenguyOr maybe I misunderstand this case, not sure01:11
Xenguy"I remember the time I binned a botnet..."01:12
XenguyThere must be some reason, so kudos to whoever is handling this01:12
Joerg-Neo900xenguy: Sigyn *does* kline all spammers03:25
Joerg-Neo900it's a botnet with a lot of unpredictable IPs and each IP gets used only once it seems03:26
XenguyJoerg-Neo900: Thanks for clarification03:27
Joerg-Neo900yw03:27
XenguyIt makes you wonder who has botnets like this, and what their motive is03:27
* gnarface doesn't wonder 03:28
Xenguyaha, speak!03:28
Xenguy: -)03:28
debdogmoneyz03:28
gnarfacei think it's pretty obvious what their motive is.  you'd see it too if you could adjust your perception to fit a scale of economy where screwing with people on the internet is actually the best use of your time03:29
* Xenguy is in the process of creating the world's most delicious grilled cheese ever, so please be patient ; )03:29
Joerg-Neo900the bets are on: 25 year old script kiddie with a mind of a 5 year old, who wnats to fight personal battles with freenode staff for FN not granting the skiddie a netop position03:29
gnarfaceso you're talking about places like Siberia, inland China, Somalia, etc03:29
XenguyCertainly childish, but also antisocial03:29
Xenguybrb03:30
gnarfaceimagine if you sent a billion spams a day, all year long, and in the end you net about 5$ and that's actually a lot of money to you, so it's a big win and beats farming potatoes on frozen tundra03:30
gnarfacethat's who we're dealing with here03:30
gnarfaceweaponized boredom03:31
gnarfacethey can't just fucking watch HBO03:31
gnarfacethere's no job to GO to03:31
gnarfacethis is literally the best thing they can do with their lives03:31
gnarfacepretty sad, really03:31
Joerg-Neo900I guess you got a point there, gnarface03:31
XenguyReally gnarface , so this is really the (many) lone gunman?03:32
gnarfaceit's not just one guy but it's probably less than 100003:32
gnarfacethe attack on freenode right now isn't an isolated operation03:33
Xenguyhuh03:33
gnarfaceit's part of the larger spamming/trolling/astroturfing going on across all of social media03:33
gnarfaceand yea, of course they use bots and scripts to maximize impact03:33
Joerg-Neo900the recent spam attacks are controlled by more than 1 but pretty sure less than 5 persons03:33
XenguyWho the fuck is it?03:33
gnarfacebut that doesn't mean they don't have call-center-staff quantities of human button-pushers available to muster when they need it03:33
gnarfacei don't know who it is but if i had to venture a guess i'd say it's someone who was already operating call centers03:34
XenguyBut I suppose you already tried to answer that question03:34
Joerg-Neo900the cyberwar, finally we're there :-S03:34
gnarfacebut they're just doing it on pay from someone else (probably traitors within my own government, unfortunately)03:34
Xenguygood point, where's the source?03:35
XenguyHired guns?  Yeah, but who pays them?03:35
gnarfacedirty politicians i think03:35
XenguySeems like maybe some deep state actor, disruption for... er, what purpose?03:36
gnarfacebut they weren't connected by chance, they were connected by social media platforms as part of the business plan for said social media platforms03:36
Joerg-Neo900style analysis of the SPAM suggests there are 2 or 3 authors you can tell apart quite easily, and they are very unique, down to repeating typos etc03:36
gnarfaceit's disruption that is the product03:36
Xenguyhuh03:36
Xenguygnarface: Yes, maybe just disruption of (tekkie) IRC03:37
gnarfacewe're the backbone of informed technical discourse on the internet03:37
Joerg-Neo900:-D03:38
gnarfacewhile we're dealing with this shit, have you noticed anything about the general level of informedness of the rest of the public lately?03:38
XenguyAnymore, that seems true, I can't understand most of the people left here now ; -)03:38
XenguyAd hominem03:38
XenguyThat's what I notice03:38
gnarfaceas far as i can tell, the overarching goal is to chop up the US and sell it for scrap03:39
gnarfacebut there's a lot of money being made tangentially to that too03:39
gnarface(mostly in stolen credit cards and user accounts)03:40
XenguyOK I'm going to go out on a limb and say, bingo, and furthermore, I bloody predicted this quite some years ago03:40
XenguyLike, an auction going on03:40
Xenguybrb03:40
gnarfaceyea we all saw it coming but i guess that's what makes us seem weird and untrustworthy03:40
gnarfaceas early as the late 90's i was already suspicious that big money was trying to do this03:41
gnarfacei just didn't think it would work03:41
gnarfacei was naive about a lot more stuff back then03:42
XenguyAs we know, it's currently about who has the most (unlimited contributions allowed) $$03:57
XenguySo, it is de facto corrupt03:57
XenguyThe US is also a unique use case re: gun ownership03:57
XenguyThis may come to play a factor, or it may be very much overestimated03:58
XenguyI must rest03:58
XenguyThanks for the chat folks03:58
golinuxAmend to printed gun ownership04:00
Xenguyhuh, that's a recent issue; I assume you need to own a 3D printer04:01
Criggiethe gun thing is weird - around here only farmers and hunters have guns.   They only have long guns - cos pistols are super controlled.04:02
CriggieEven cops only have tasers.04:02
Criggiethere's a special sub-group of police which are allowed guns, but they only come out on need.04:02
golinuxXenguy: Yes04:03
golinuxThis is for gnarface: http://www.vhemt.org/endtimesprofits.jpg04:03
golinuxBig money's gonna get bigger on the downslide.04:04
XenguyWe only have so much time to enjoy it, but, you know04:05
Xenguyhah04:05
Centurion_DanCriggie: Sounds like your from NZ to me04:06
golinuxYou should know. :D04:07
* golinux tends to laundry04:07
CriggieCenturion_Dan: yeah - sorry.   You lot should come visit.04:09
qixtand#ZAP04:44
Centurion_DanCriggie: I'm already here ;-)06:03
CriggieCenturion_Dan: :-P06:08
CriggieI had to scroll back to remember the context on that one.06:08
DocScrutinizer05so quiet in here :-o  everything fine? or did I kill the internet?11:31
gnarfaceit still works11:36
GoatAvengerhttp://theinternet.com/11:38
GoatAvengerconfirmed.  It works.11:38
DocScrutinizer05aaaah and there's a SPAM... so everything normal11:57
dethaDocScrutinizer05: not dead. just attempting to un-break things.13:12
DocScrutinizer05detha: hm?13:15
dethaI made the mistake of upgrading my desktop to 2.0. Big mistake.13:18
dethawhich leads me back to the previous question: how to debug this http://paste.debian.net/1036398/14:25
gnarfacegoogle for the error messages14:28
gnarfacedetha14:29
gnarfacemight be an incompatible repo...14:29
gnarfacemight be a bad sources.list14:29
gnarfacemight be a bad repo14:29
gnarfaceor you might just be missing a key14:29
dethaThat is what ddg gives me yeah. Removed and re-added key using apt-key, tried the 'allow-insecure=yes' that apt_secure suggests, nada.14:31
gnarfaceare you missing that gnutls library:14:33
gnarface?14:33
dethathere's plenty of those :p http://paste.debian.net/1036399/14:34
detha(don't ask. I have to keep some deb7 and deb8 packages at hand to remain compatible with centos6)14:35
gnarfaceit might not matter, but does it work if you don't use https in the sources.list lines?14:37
dethalet me try14:38
dethaah. that works. amazing, a website that doesn't force TLS.14:40
dethaI wish there were more of those14:40
dethaok, so now I iz confused. What does tls on the repo have to do with release signing keys?14:44
gnarfacei can't tell you that, i don't know14:47
gnarfacethere's a good chance it is a side-effect of mixing distros14:47
dethaI could try removing the few old packages I need temporarily, switching the old releases off, and see14:49
dethaalas, can't do that now, x11vnc in current is horribly broken14:50
gnarfacei don't know if it is a gnutls version problem or something to do with changes made to apt for amprolla3 or just a bug14:58
Joerg-Neo900ooooh, not even the >>has left this server (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))).<< comes through when my client has "hide join/part/nick" set15:02
dethaI doubt it is gnutls, but I notice that when using http it only pulls InRelease, when using https it pulls a whole bunch of things. Some form of 'if it is https we trust it, if it isn't we want a signed release file'15:04
DocScrutinizer51detha: sound strategy16:33
dethaDocScrutinizer51: maybe. But it seriously violates the principle of least astonishment.16:34
DocScrutinizer05\o20:46
hiyahi22:02
hiyaI want to move to devuan22:02
hiyabut only if someone help me beauty it22:02
hiyaI am pureOS user, totally love it, but devuan is more community oriented22:02
hiyaalso systemd is somewhat bad from what i understand22:03
AlexLikeRockhiya,22:12
AlexLikeRockhi22:12
AlexLikeRockstart by  download22:12
AlexLikeRockhttps://devuan.org/get-devuan22:12
hiyaAlexLikeRock, i am enjoying it in vm inside pureos with youtube running in 720p22:17
hiyaany good theme suggestions?22:18
golinuxYes.  The Xfce default22:19
fsmithredthe desktop-base default is better22:25
fsmithred(I know that's the one you meant)22:25
golinuxYes . . . the DEVUAN Xfce default.  :D22:32
hiyawow22:52
hiyagolinux, fsmithred how much less RAM would it take vs Gnome desktop?22:53
hiyawhat is the replacement for network manager openvpn plugin?22:53
hiyaalso what do you use instead of gnome boxes for vms?22:53
golinuxhiya: we don;'t provide gnome though a few have kind of got it running22:58
golinuxIt is heavily dependent on systemd22:58
hiyayes but what is the libre version of virtualbox again?22:59
hiyahttps://virt-manager.org/23:01
hiyai need this23:01
golinuxhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=virt-manager&release=any23:04
MinceRlibvirt is not the libre version of virtualbox23:07
MinceRit's a frontend to qemu23:07
hiyaomg a lot of packages are a bit old :D23:16
hiyawelcome to debian, iguess :D23:16
golinuxIf it works, who cares if it's old.23:21
hiyagolinux, yes23:21
lruanyone know why policykit-1 suddenly depends on libpam-systemd which is not available/23:40
lru?23:40
lruthis is devuan 1.0, jessie23:40
Centurion_Danlru: a security update in Debian - I'm working on building the devuanised version now.23:57

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