| gnarface | i found this in a google search https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse/issues/85 | 00:01 |
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| gnarface | that's where i got the idea | 00:01 |
| gnarface | if you *didn't* customize anything, purging and reinstalling wouldn't hurt anything | 00:02 |
| gnarface | but i wouldn't recommend risking it if you can't remember | 00:03 |
| fromport | while in /etc# cat modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf # Disable the HDMI card which shows up first, but enable PCH [newline] options snd-hda-intel enable=1,0 | 00:03 |
| fromport | that was the only # find . -name \*alsa\* in /etc/ after I had purged all packages with alsa in their name ;-) | 00:03 |
| fromport | apt install alsa-utils alsamixergui gstreamer1.0-alsa:amd64 xmms2-plugin-alsa <- reinstalling | 00:04 |
| gnarface | is there also alsa-tools, alsa-oss, and alsa-base? | 00:05 |
| gnarface | it may have been sufficient to just re-run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils | 00:06 |
| gnarface | you shouldn't have to, but i've heard of it fixing things... | 00:06 |
| fromport | those other alsa's don't seem to be installed in my system | 00:07 |
| fromport | should i install those ? | 00:07 |
| gnarface | if they're still in the repo for your version, yes | 00:07 |
| fromport | Package alsa-base is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 00:08 |
| gnarface | i think they deprecated it | 00:08 |
| fromport | installing alsa-oss alsa-tools | 00:08 |
| fromport | going to reboot, see you in a while | 00:08 |
| gnarface | ok | 00:08 |
| fromport | back. | 00:19 |
| fromport | moment of truth , first just with apulse | 00:19 |
| gnarface | if it doesn't work, try to start then stop /etc/init.d/alsa-utils | 00:21 |
| fromport | still doesn't work ;-) | 00:21 |
| gnarface | but the plug:dmix thing does? | 00:21 |
| fromport | https://pastebin.com/ci8Yt3LY | 00:21 |
| fromport | let me try stop/start alsa-utils first | 00:22 |
| KatolaZ | fromport: are you in the audio group? | 00:22 |
| KatolaZ | (silly question, I know) | 00:22 |
| gnarface | it's not actually a daemon either, but if you run the stop&start actions of that script it'll redetect the cards | 00:23 |
| fromport | yep, in audio group | 00:23 |
| fromport | stop/start didn't help | 00:23 |
| gnarface | huh | 00:23 |
| gnarface | i dunno what's wrong with it then but it could be actually a bug | 00:24 |
| fromport | of alsa-util | 00:24 |
| gnarface | of alsa-util, or maybe the driver itself | 00:24 |
| gnarface | the good news is it's a minor issue | 00:24 |
| gnarface | you can map around it with that environment variable or with alsa customization | 00:25 |
| KatolaZ | alsa-utils just saves/restores mixer settings | 00:25 |
| KatolaZ | AFAIK | 00:25 |
| gnarface | i thought it also generates /usr/share/alsa contents on boot | 00:25 |
| fromport | with the env variables in front of apulse it works . | 00:25 |
| fromport | yes, oh men, i was always grabbing my tablet to listen to eg youtube stuff, but now it's back on my desktop! many MANY thanks | 00:26 |
| gnarface | no problem | 00:26 |
| fromport | will try and figure out if I can see if there is some "hidden" setting somewhere that might have snugged in | 00:26 |
| gnarface | if you are curious about the dmix thing, they might know what's wrong in #alsa | 00:26 |
| fromport | i might do that ! thanks again for giving me my freedom back ;-) | 00:27 |
| gnarface | np again | 00:27 |
| gnarface | you can use that "plug:dmix" value in other programs as an alsa device, too, btw | 00:28 |
| gnarface | they will all work at once | 00:28 |
| gnarface | which is supposed to be the default but, sometimes things go wrong... | 00:29 |
| ServiceRobot | so I have some news to report. I got a test system booting fully with runit and without sysvinit by using /etc/runit scripts provided by: https://github.com/cloux/aws-devuan | 05:59 |
| ServiceRobot | the next step is sharing my findings as to get a more permanent solution in devuan | 06:00 |
| Owner | ServiceRobot: is it better than sysvinit ? | 06:06 |
| ServiceRobot | it's a lot simpler, that's for sure | 06:06 |
| ServiceRobot | all I had to so was plop in those scripts to /etc/runit and I no longer need sysv-rc | 06:06 |
| ServiceRobot | though it's obviously a hacky, non official solution | 06:07 |
| ServiceRobot | there are currently 2 other implementations: void's, and artix's. this implementation I just discovered keeps devuan in mind | 06:07 |
| ServiceRobot | thing is debian doesn't support a way to use runit without sysvinit/sysv-rc, even though it wouldn't take too, too much to change | 06:08 |
| fromport | is it faster than sysvinit ? | 06:38 |
| ServiceRobot | faster? hard to gauge unless I add more services. I'd say yes | 06:42 |
| ServiceRobot | where can I do to request some changes to how init systems are handled currently? mainly runit and openrc? | 06:43 |
| ServiceRobot | *go | 06:43 |
| ServiceRobot | I'd say the changes I have in mind are pretty significant, so the forum might not be enough | 06:43 |
| fromport | contact the maintainers of the corresponding devuan packages directly ? | 06:50 |
| ServiceRobot | how do I know who is maintaining what package? | 06:50 |
| fromport | i have no idea :-) | 06:54 |
| fromport | apt-cache show sysvinit | 06:56 |
| fromport | for example | 06:56 |
| fromport | Maintainer: Daniel Reurich <daniel@centurion.net.nz> | 06:56 |
| ServiceRobot | ah. guess I'll give that a try | 06:56 |
| ServiceRobot | thing is runit and sysvinit are a bit tied, so not sure which maintainer I should contact. I guess both | 06:57 |
| fromport | i would do that ;-) | 06:57 |
| fromport | openrc is still under debian management. that would be hard to convince them to change anything | 06:59 |
| ServiceRobot | openrc is actually developed by gentoo if I'm not mistaken. they use it by default | 06:59 |
| fromport | Maintainer: OpenRC Debian Maintainers <openrc@packages.debian.org> | 07:00 |
| fromport | for the openrc package in devuan | 07:00 |
| ServiceRobot | well devuan developers can make changes if they benefit everyone I assume? | 07:00 |
| ServiceRobot | especially something this important | 07:00 |
| fromport | i think so, you could become the openrc maintainer for devuan ;-) | 07:01 |
| ServiceRobot | I prefer runit but don't want to diss openrc. I'm gonna send an email for both. openrc without sysvinit would take minimal effort. it just needs a getty service | 07:01 |
| fromport | great! I am Going zzz ;-) l8r | 07:02 |
| ServiceRobot | see ya | 07:02 |
| ServiceRobot | wait, if the developer still shows it for debian, then it's not accurate | 07:03 |
| minted | looking for 'best' 32bit arch. as i see there are 'spinoffs' what say you folks? what should i put on a 'veteran' box that still wants to teach??? | 07:14 |
| Owner | best 32bit arch? | 07:15 |
| Owner | spinoffs? | 07:15 |
| minted | Owner: architecture >>> re:spinoffs = derivatives excuse me | 07:17 |
| Owner | distros? | 07:17 |
| minted | Owner: looking to put devuan on a 32bit laptop | 07:18 |
| Owner | ah | 07:19 |
| Owner | minted: https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/ | 07:19 |
| minted | Owner: ah | 07:21 |
| minted | Owner: ty | 07:21 |
| golinux | minted: Or https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros | 07:23 |
| minted | golinux: yup im on the site ty... | 07:25 |
| minted | was seeing if people were running derivatives and what they liked... | 07:26 |
| TurBo_biT | hello, just a question, to install Ceres its like in debian?, must install the stable and change the repositories? | 09:11 |
| KatolaZ | TurBo_biT: yes, but it's better to pass through testing before, I guess | 10:08 |
| TurBo_biT | KatolaZ, thank you, i will try to do it..., but it could be better to have a ceres iso to do in one step i think | 10:22 |
| KatolaZ | yeah it would be better | 10:22 |
| KatolaZ | but it's not possible atm | 10:22 |
| TurBo_biT | :) | 10:22 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 10:22 |
| TurBo_biT | i will try, we will see the result XDDD | 10:23 |
| KatolaZ | not even debian provides isos for unstable, right> | 10:23 |
| KatolaZ | you can choose it from the netinst, AFAIK | 10:23 |
| TurBo_biT | devuan have also netinst? | 10:23 |
| KatolaZ | sure it does | 10:24 |
| KatolaZ | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ | 10:24 |
| TurBo_biT | thank you so much | 10:24 |
| KatolaZ | but you are warned: it won't probably not succeed installing ceres | 10:24 |
| KatolaZ | there are a few issues with new deps to be fixed | 10:25 |
| KatolaZ | I haven't tried lately, TBH | 10:25 |
| TurBo_biT | i want to program for linux, so, allways the programmers told me that its better to install the latest | 10:26 |
| KatolaZ | TurBo_biT: forget about that | 10:26 |
| KatolaZ | if you want to program, just do it | 10:26 |
| KatolaZ | wherever | 10:26 |
| TurBo_biT | so, better ceres? | 10:26 |
| KatolaZ | using unstable won't make you a better programmer | 10:26 |
| KatolaZ | nope | 10:27 |
| KatolaZ | better stable | 10:27 |
| KatolaZ | so that you can focus on the actual programming | 10:27 |
| TurBo_biT | so, why tell me that is better to have the latest? | 10:27 |
| TurBo_biT | for me its the same to install one or other, but may be any reasson i think | 10:29 |
| TurBo_biT | any developer here? | 10:29 |
| KatolaZ | TurBo_biT: what you want to "program" exactly? | 10:31 |
| TurBo_biT | i'm jumping from game development to linux, so i would like to program for the graphic stack | 10:31 |
| KatolaZ | any specific idea? | 10:32 |
| TurBo_biT | drivers, wayland..., i new, so i don't have still very clear | 10:32 |
| TurBo_biT | i'm | 10:32 |
| KatolaZ | if you are up for kernel development, you need something that is not too old | 10:32 |
| KatolaZ | but in that case the distribution won't really make a masisve difference, maybe | 10:33 |
| KatolaZ | since most of the stuff you'll need to build from scratch anyway | 10:33 |
| TurBo_biT | ok | 10:33 |
| TurBo_biT | so, stable better, no? | 10:33 |
| KatolaZ | I'd probably start with stable | 10:33 |
| TurBo_biT | ok | 10:34 |
| KatolaZ | see how far you can go | 10:34 |
| KatolaZ | and then decide | 10:34 |
| KatolaZ | you can always upgrade to testing later on | 10:34 |
| KatolaZ | if you need so | 10:34 |
| TurBo_biT | true | 10:34 |
| TurBo_biT | thank you KatolaZ | 10:34 |
| KatolaZ | np | 10:34 |
| minted | anyone around? | 11:41 |
| booyah | minted: no | 11:44 |
| engidea | Thanks !!! (yes, I am going to contribute :) | 11:48 |
| minted | engidea: that to me? | 11:52 |
| minted | ping any of the distro builders | 17:29 |
| KatolaZ | minted: ? | 17:29 |
| minted | KatolaZ: hey there you one of the builders? | 17:30 |
| KatolaZ | minted: ask your question | 17:30 |
| minted | KatolaZ: friendly request to date the page <https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list> so we know when last updated please... | 17:33 |
| KatolaZ | it was updated when Devuan 2.0.0 ASCII stable was released | 17:34 |
| KatolaZ | so around 20180609 | 17:34 |
| minted | KatolaZ: ty... | 17:35 |
| KatolaZ | yw | 17:35 |
| KatolaZ | minted: yours is a good comment | 17:35 |
| KatolaZ | we should probably date those pages anyway | 17:35 |
| KatolaZ | a point to remember for the future :) | 17:35 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: ^^^^ | 17:36 |
| golinux | Got it. | 17:36 |
| golinux | Now all I have to do is remember!! | 17:36 |
| KatolaZ | I will try to remember to remind you then :) | 17:36 |
| minted | KatolaZ: i am humble in your comment...my 1st running of the distro...she looks pretty | 17:37 |
| golinux | That will be important especially if we do a point release. | 17:37 |
| * golinux smiles | 17:37 | |
| minted | now if i will just stop dropping the hyphen when transcribing to sources.list and scratching my 'monkey-shake-of-head' as to wot the hell is wrong ;-)) | 17:39 |
| Pr0metheus | is anyone on ceres? how to install policykit-1, consolekit is not installable | 21:23 |
| gnarface | is it complaining about consolekit right now when you try to install it? | 21:26 |
| gnarface | i'm on ceres right now but i've been avoiding both those packages | 21:27 |
| gnarface | but you should know that broken dependencies in ceres are common and expected | 21:27 |
| gnarface | usually if it says something about the package referring to a non-existent package all you can really do is wait for someone else to fix it, or fix it yourself | 21:29 |
| Pr0metheus | I wish I knew how to fix it:P | 21:29 |
| gnarface | it usually means they're transitioning to a new version that requires changes to everything that uses it | 21:30 |
| Pr0metheus | any other suggestion instead of synaptic? | 21:30 |
| gnarface | well aptitude will try to suggest solutions | 21:31 |
| gnarface | in the case of version conflicts or the like | 21:31 |
| gnarface | it might be worth trying | 21:31 |
| Pr0metheus | sorry I mean is there another a program I can generally use instead of synaptic | 21:31 |
| gnarface | yes, that's exactly what aptitude is | 21:32 |
| gnarface | you can also use apt-get but it's a simple creature and will not try to help you out of a pickle | 21:32 |
| Pr0metheus | but command line | 21:32 |
| gnarface | oh. yea as far as i know synaptic is the *only* graphical one | 21:32 |
| Pr0metheus | ok I see | 21:33 |
| gnarface | don't get suckered in by 3rd party crap like cpanel or the like. those things will make a bigger mess of your system than you can imagine. | 21:33 |
| gnarface | all the console ones will give you more detail about the problem than synaptic though | 21:34 |
| Pr0metheus | one other thing I 've been thinking, ok we moved out of systemd and all these stuff, but looking at the linux foundation board I am beginning to wonder | 21:34 |
| gnarface | even if you can't come up with a solution it might still give you a better picture of what is wrong | 21:34 |
| gnarface | linux foundation, freedesktop.org... don't trust any of them. they're all RedHat sympathizers | 21:35 |
| gnarface | they all have a corporate agenda and they're just trying to pretend it's not evil | 21:35 |
| Pr0metheus | well the board is a mix of all big companies | 21:35 |
| gnarface | yea, i know | 21:35 |
| gnarface | don't ever trust anyone who has more than 40 billion dollars and thinks they need more. | 21:35 |
| Pr0metheus | so my conclusion is that systemd is just a cherry on the big pie | 21:36 |
| gnarface | yea, that's a reasonable assessment of it, IMO | 21:36 |
| gnarface | this is starting to become more #debianfork talk than a support issue though | 21:36 |
| gnarface | as far as your actual technical problem, if aptitude can't give you a satisfactory solution i'm standing by my advice to just wait a few days to see if it resolves itself | 21:36 |
| gnarface | you didn't mix 3rd party repos in there did you? | 21:37 |
| Pr0metheus | uh no | 21:37 |
| gnarface | you can also get this type of package conflict from version issues associated with using ubuntu PPA's or deb-multimedia or the like | 21:38 |
| Pr0metheus | I have only ceres for main and contrib, but the system came out of stretch upgrade | 21:38 |
| gnarface | with ceres it's just a normal part of the development process | 21:38 |
| Pr0metheus | ok | 21:38 |
| gnarface | the idea is that it breaks in ceres first so that they can fix it before it gets pushed into stable | 21:38 |
| gnarface | (ubuntu doesn't bother waiting for this) | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | Pr0metheus, you might try policykit-1 from ascii. The one in beowulf and ceres hasn't been devuanized yet. | 21:49 |
| Pr0metheus | ok thanks fsmithred will do | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | maybe consolekit from ascii, too. There's no consolekit in ceres | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | you might try elogind from ascii instead of consolekit | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | or better yet, just use a window manager until all that policy garbage is worked out for ceres | 21:50 |
| Pr0metheus | does anyone have the link for downloading specific packages cause https://pkginfo.devuan.org only shows the package info | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | pkgmaster.devuan.org | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | or just 'apt-get download <package>' | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | apt-get -t ascii download... | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | ascii has to be in sources.list | 21:53 |
| Pr0metheus | ah ok just put on browser the https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | if you know which version you want | 21:54 |
| Pr0metheus | bad idea:P | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | if you add ascii to sources, you can just install it from there | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | with '-t ascii' | 21:55 |
| Pr0metheus | ascii takes consolekit from debian so i downloaded from debian consolekit and one lib and installed | 22:07 |
| Pr0metheus | now synaptic also installed | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | Pr0metheus, why do you want to run ceres? | 22:10 |
| Pr0metheus | I need some software from unstable | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | might be better to backport it | 22:12 |
| Pr0metheus | backport from unstable to stable? | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | yeah, sometimes it's easy, sometimes not | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | if you don't need things like logging out from desktop menu, automounting of usb, then you should be fine without policykit | 22:13 |
| Pr0metheus | I don't think it is easy for qgis | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | and you'll have a much easier time with ceres | 22:14 |
| Pr0metheus | yes I understand but I need to stay uptodate with some software and this requires that I stay on unstable | 22:15 |
| Pr0metheus | up to now it has worked | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | in debian or devuan? | 22:15 |
| Pr0metheus | in debian:P but I think things are working too in devuan | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | most of it should | 22:16 |
| Pr0metheus | one or two more things to fix and ready | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | I'm interested to know how it works. What desktop are you using? | 22:17 |
| Pr0metheus | xfce4 | 22:17 |
| Pr0metheus | removed pulse audio | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | you're running the way I usually do | 22:18 |
| Pr0metheus | to be honest it boots up faster and shuts down faster without gnome and systemd | 22:19 |
| Pr0metheus | things are pretty stable | 22:19 |
| Pr0metheus | replaced also evolution with thunderbird, polari with hexchat, used the pale moon browser | 22:20 |
| fsmithred | gnome is too slow. I couldn't use it for more than a few minutes. | 22:20 |
| Pr0metheus | too much javascript -> epic fail | 22:20 |
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