Chanku | Hey, so I have a generic question for running Devuan on a Raspberri Pi 3B, what are the differences between the .tar.gz and the .img.xz files? | 01:54 |
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gnarface | Chanku: i presume that the tar.gz file is the root filesystem contents, while the img.xz file also includes the partition layout | 01:58 |
Chanku | alright. | 01:58 |
Centurion_Dan | anyone here had success with intel cedartrail based systems running Devuan with X?? | 12:05 |
FlibberTGibbet | had mint then an early beta of devuan both running slooooowly on a 1st-gen atom but got rid of it ages ago, so sadly not :( | 12:11 |
Centurion_Dan | FlibberTGibbet: can you recall if you needed to do anything with firmware for the gpu? | 13:04 |
EHeM | 37.220.36.58 (one of the deb.devuan.org mirrors) is giving 403 errors. | 16:27 |
KatolaZ | EHeM: how are you conytacting it? | 16:30 |
EHeM | HTTPS, `apt-get update`. | 16:30 |
KatolaZ | ASCII or ceres? | 16:30 |
EHeM | Stable. | 16:31 |
KatolaZ | ASCII? | 16:31 |
KatolaZ | I can't detect any fault on that right now | 16:31 |
KatolaZ | which file is missing? | 16:32 |
KatolaZ | EHeM: ^^ | 16:32 |
EHeM | The Release files for security, updates, backports, and looks like the main one too. | 16:32 |
KatolaZ | EHeM: impossible | 16:33 |
KatolaZ | I have cheked all of them right now and they are present and updated | 16:33 |
KatolaZ | EHeM: are you hitting the mirror through deb.devuan.org? | 16:33 |
EHeM | I didn't type that they were missing, what I typed was that they were giving 403 Forbidden errors. | 16:33 |
EHeM | Yes. | 16:33 |
KatolaZ | EHeM: and I typed that I have successfully retrieved and checked them against pkgmaster right now... | 16:34 |
KatolaZ | can you please try again? | 16:34 |
EHeM | I nuked the cache so I hit another mirror and successfully retrieved them. | 16:34 |
KatolaZ | -_- | 16:35 |
KatolaZ | ok | 16:35 |
KatolaZ | thanks | 16:35 |
KatolaZ | I will have a closer look then | 16:35 |
EHeM | That particular one has been routinely giving 403 errors whenever I get that one. | 16:36 |
KatolaZ | EHeM: I have tried from three different locations across europe | 16:36 |
KatolaZ | three different networks | 16:36 |
KatolaZ | and can retrieve them and verify them | 16:36 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 16:36 |
mns` | https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/09/17/0022228/linus-torvalds-reflects-on-how-hes-been-hostile-to-linux-community-members-over-the-years-issues-apology-and-announces-he-will-be-taking-some-time-off | 16:36 |
EHeM | I'm trying from North America. | 16:36 |
mns` | say hello to the new boss: greg kroah-hartman | 16:36 |
EHeM | mns`: Looks a bit different from the old boss. | 16:46 |
FatPhil | yikes, my (laptop) jessie gparted is refusing to resize the partition on my (raspi) ascii bootable card | 17:01 |
FatPhil | e2fsck 1.42.12 (29-Aug-2014)<br />/dev/sdb2 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum< | 17:02 |
KatolaZ | FatPhil: you need gdisk | 17:02 |
FatPhil | br />e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck! | 17:02 |
KatolaZ | expert mode | 17:02 |
KatolaZ | use "e: move metadata blocks at the end of the disk" | 17:02 |
KatolaZ | then remove the partition | 17:02 |
KatolaZ | and re-create it | 17:02 |
FatPhil | yay, text-mode too. fricken hate guiclickification of everything | 17:03 |
KatolaZ | FatPhil: I think some version of gparted won't have support for GPT metadata | 17:04 |
KatolaZ | I tried the procedure above on a couple of GPT ASCII images (ARM) | 17:05 |
KatolaZ | it works seamlessly | 17:05 |
KatolaZ | we could actually provide a script for that... | 17:05 |
FatPhil | Ug, throws up a big warning about partition table types | 17:05 |
KatolaZ | FatPhil: are you using gdisk? | 17:05 |
KatolaZ | gdisk knows about GPT | 17:05 |
KatolaZ | fdisk will most probably bork the whole thing | 17:06 |
fsmithred | I ran into that same error message yesterday. | 17:06 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: from gdisk? | 17:06 |
FatPhil | freshly installed jessie gdisk 1.0.0 | 17:06 |
fsmithred | I created a partition and file system on the hard drive using ascii (gparted) | 17:07 |
KatolaZ | which warning exactly? | 17:07 |
fsmithred | then I installed a refracta jessie on that partition | 17:07 |
fsmithred | and when I booted into the installed system, fsck complained about unsupported features | 17:07 |
fsmithred | so I reinstalled and let the installer format the partition | 17:07 |
fsmithred | it's a filesystem issue, not a partition issue | 17:08 |
FatPhil | Found invalid GPT and valid MBR; converting MBR to GPT format in memory. THIS OPERATION IS POTENTIALLY DESTRUCTIVE... | 17:08 |
fsmithred | FatPhil, if you have an ascii live-cd, you can probably boot that and resize without problems | 17:09 |
FatPhil | might be simpler to just keep a system partition and have a separate one for all my stuff on the rest of the space. | 17:09 |
fsmithred | that's a good plan anyway | 17:10 |
FatPhil | fsmithred: raspi - not CD anyway | 17:10 |
fsmithred | can you boot from usb? | 17:10 |
fsmithred | I'm kinda clueless about raspi | 17:11 |
FatPhil | not that I know of. I've not yet booted this device yet, the old versions were hard coded to boot off the SD card. | 17:11 |
fsmithred | how are you trying to resize it? Where is jessie? | 17:12 |
FatPhil | jessie's on my lappy that has a card reader | 17:12 |
fsmithred | so either boot the laptop with ascii (usb or cd) or else re-format the partition with jessie | 17:13 |
FatPhil | should probably dist-upgrade, but g/f also uses it so don't want to change too much under her feet. | 17:13 |
fsmithred | but you probably want to save the data that's on the card, so reformat would not be an option | 17:14 |
FatPhil | jessie's tools are complaining about the filesystem | 17:14 |
fsmithred | yeah, if you don't need the data, let jessie make a new filesystem | 17:14 |
FatPhil | it's the bootable card - it's not "data" it's "OS"! | 17:14 |
fsmithred | but I assume you have an ascii image on the card, so it's probably better to use ascii to resize | 17:15 |
fsmithred | os is data in this context | 17:15 |
fsmithred | something on the card you don't want to lose | 17:15 |
FatPhil | indeed | 17:16 |
fsmithred | so, boot ascii live media and resize | 17:16 |
fsmithred | or do a debootstrap ascii install on jessie, chroot into ascii and resize. | 17:17 |
FatPhil | resizing a partition should not have to involve installing OSes, or booting new kernels. | 17:17 |
fsmithred | you could make the laptop dual-boot jessie/ascii to make the transition smoother | 17:17 |
fsmithred | (thinking ahead) | 17:18 |
fsmithred | there's a newer e2fsprogs in jessie-backports | 17:20 |
fsmithred | you could install that on laptop and then be able to resize, I think | 17:20 |
FatPhil | oooh, yeah, I normally pull in backports, I notice I've not done that yet on this laptop. | 17:21 |
fsmithred | I have to go. bbl. | 17:21 |
FatPhil | good idea. | 17:21 |
FatPhil | thanks | 17:21 |
fsmithred | yw | 17:21 |
fsmithred | (always looking for the easiest solution) | 17:21 |
FatPhil | it's just a bit weird that the fs features were recognised by a jessie program, but not sufficiently manipulable. | 17:23 |
ejr | how can i stop devuan from searching for a network connection on startup when eth0 is not connected? it always says for one minute that it is waiting for a lock on ifstate.eth0 or something | 19:06 |
EHeM | Recent versions of `fdisk` will work with GPT (and also a number of older niche formats) just fine. | 19:13 |
* EHeM did in fact use the Debian `fdisk` to setup a Sun table on a disk and was able to get it to boot. | 19:14 | |
EHeM | (and not by having the firmware load the boot-block from another device!) | 19:31 |
_abc_ | Re. I have the problem I described before, under certain circumstances, on ascii desktop, starting a new console from the iconbar icon start two of them. I instrumented x-termina-emulator (Perl script) to log it's actvations by the gui, and it is activated only once per click on icon. But it sometimes opens two x-terminal-emulator windows. Has anyone else seen this? Two app instances launched when clicking | 20:27 |
_abc_ | icon in icon bar? | 20:27 |
* _abc_ killed the channel? | 20:36 | |
_abc_ | Is the tor package in the ascii distrib as up to date as the one on the tor website? | 20:41 |
FatPhil | well, RasPi3 boots the new ascii image, but looked like it took 3 attempts, I got no HDMI signal the first couple of times (and therefore no way of knowing what was going wrong). | 21:27 |
FatPhil | Humourously, I notice the installation medium has an 'optional' systemd package which needs upgrading. | 21:38 |
gnarface | _abc_: it's just slow here. you're sure it's not the mouse, right? | 21:51 |
gnarface | FatPhil: on the rpi1 image, i still needed to set up the config file just like on raspbian | 21:52 |
gnarface | (mabye that would help you too) | 21:52 |
gnarface | i manually set the HDMI mode/resolution | 21:52 |
* gnarface sighs | 21:52 | |
_abc_ | gnarface: yes, I made it log calls, it is called once only | 21:53 |
gnarface | that's weird | 21:53 |
_abc_ | Indeed. And it only happens sometimes. Usually with high system load and or copious swapping | 21:54 |
_abc_ | I assume some smart kid coded the app start as a checked-start and re-starts it if it's not in the process table after x milliseconds "in case something kills it"? | 21:55 |
_abc_ | I have seen such things before. | 21:55 |
gnarface | i couldn't say, but that sounds possible | 21:55 |
_abc_ | There is no choice. I'll look at the Perl code again, maybe it's there. | 21:55 |
_abc_ | nothing intersting there | 22:02 |
_abc_ | only thing is, it's dbus-registered. Maybe that? | 22:03 |
gnarface | you're not running a custom kernel are you, _abc_? | 22:04 |
_abc_ | nope, vanilla | 22:04 |
gnarface | if you stop dbus, will the terminal still launch? | 22:06 |
gnarface | blaming it on dbus is as good an idea as any | 22:08 |
gnarface | does it also sometimes happen to applications you've set to auto-launch? | 22:09 |
gnarface | the xfce forum suggests it may be a problem with ~/.cache/sessions corruption | 22:11 |
gnarface | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=164354 | 22:12 |
gnarface | actually i found it in the arch linux forum, but they refer to the xfce forum | 22:13 |
gnarface | i'm wondering if you're maybe seeing it launch twice because you had just logged in and not realized it's auto-launching an instance from the last session without askinng you | 22:13 |
gnarface | some people in the xfce forum are complaining of a bug with the sessions caching the programs to auto-launch even if you turn it off | 22:14 |
gnarface | you seeing any of that behavior? | 22:14 |
_abc_ | gnarface: no, I am logged in properly, and it happens depending on high load. High load, swapping, causes it to happen. Also it's always two copies, not more. | 23:36 |
_abc_ | I have not seen it with other apps but Firefox which is also launched from there got a wrapper from me (I wrote it), to launch single-instance in all cases, and open new tabs not new windows. Unrelated. | 23:37 |
_abc_ | So this is not related to auto-launching at all | 23:38 |
will_haven | lmde/debian stable, removing systemd... doable? | 23:38 |
EHeM | Default Devuan installation lacks it, libsystemd is being slowly ripped out. | 23:41 |
_abc_ | gnarface: example: Thunar is started from the same place and never seem to start as a duplicate | 23:49 |
gnarface | hmmmm | 23:56 |
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