| saptech | hey all. I just dd command, the live iso to a thumb drive, twice and each time, the menu would show but once I chose to start, it would show the kernel info and then loop back to the menu. What could be wrong and how to fix it? Do I need to try a non live iso? | 01:44 |
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| Psud0nym | saptech: did you check to see if the image was completely downloaded? | 01:48 |
| saptech | yes | 01:54 |
| saptech | it boot to the menu screen | 01:54 |
| saptech | i also downloaded iso from two different mirrors | 01:55 |
| saptech | the first was the netinstall and second was desktop iso | 01:56 |
| Psud0nym | I'm not familiar with the live iso's, but past experience has taught me that an incompleted image may behave like this. and what you say would also indicate the iso might actually be the issue. | 01:56 |
| Psud0nym | what os are you currently using to write the images? | 01:57 |
| saptech | hmmm ok | 01:57 |
| saptech | mageia 6 | 01:58 |
| Psud0nym | well, there is etcher. it only does writing images to usb | 01:59 |
| Psud0nym | https://etcher.io/ | 02:00 |
| Psud0nym | it uses appimage, so you dont even have to do anything strange to install it. just open it. | 02:01 |
| saptech | ok, i can check it out | 02:01 |
| Psud0nym | have you used dd before? | 02:01 |
| saptech | yes | 02:02 |
| saptech | plenty of times | 02:02 |
| saptech | i've never seen an incomplete install boot, it usually stop with an error before getting to the menus | 02:03 |
| Psud0nym | I was just trying to see if there was more help on dd | 02:04 |
| saptech | I think last time I installed devuan, I used a cd/dvd disc | 02:05 |
| saptech | Psud0nym, I appreciate your help | 02:06 |
| Psud0nym | I did this install and a server the day after, just this week. Were you trying to install ascii? | 02:06 |
| saptech | yes, ascii | 02:06 |
| Psud0nym | hmmm. netinstall was what I used. try that image with etcher | 02:07 |
| saptech | ok | 02:07 |
| saptech | i'm flashing it now | 02:09 |
| holla | saptech: what's the sha256 for the iso you dl'd? | 02:10 |
| Psud0nym | I didn't even check it. | 02:10 |
| Psud0nym | i can do that though | 02:11 |
| saptech | holla, "61059445afc6f41ed54e2c99c95e22c689dc55e8bf7fe9c6a1870d504eecf63b" | 02:12 |
| holla | saptech: for desktop-live? | 02:13 |
| saptech | after mageia updates are finish I'll try the stick | 02:13 |
| holla | which iso is it? | 02:13 |
| saptech | holla, no for the minimal-live | 02:13 |
| Psud0nym | ok. I only used the netinstall.iso | 02:14 |
| saptech | that sha was for the 386 | 02:14 |
| saptech | here is amd64 | 02:14 |
| saptech | cc05e64e1ac2f54736dcb58148e125c5920f8180b3dbf11d36048b9a8c616fe8 | 02:14 |
| Psud0nym | 1db7c38a88ae3051d711c794500ee61792f3c51b devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso | 02:16 |
| holla | saptech: kk, so your dls are intact. could you try to boit in a vm, like qemu? | 02:17 |
| saptech | no, this machine sucks using vms | 02:17 |
| saptech | it's old | 02:17 |
| holla | Psud0nym: cc05...6fe8 is minimal-live amd64 | 02:17 |
| golinux | saptech please wait for fsmithred to walk you through it | 02:18 |
| saptech | ok | 02:19 |
| golinux | He does the installer for the live isos | 02:20 |
| Psud0nym | golinux: i was just hanging out and trying to help. | 02:21 |
| golinux | I'll try to ping him | 02:21 |
| golinux | I know that and thank you | 02:21 |
| golinux | fsr has probably done 100s of installs using his installer so knows it better than anyone else. | 02:22 |
| saptech | there is no big hurry, though it's 7:22pm here | 02:22 |
| golinux | He's at 8:22 | 02:22 |
| saptech | ok | 02:23 |
| saptech | he must live on east coast of states :) | 02:23 |
| saptech | i'm in mid-america | 02:23 |
| golinux | Hopefully he'll show up before too long. | 02:24 |
| saptech | Psud0nym, that etcher is pretty neat. it's my first time using an appimage file | 02:25 |
| golinux | Psud0nym: Sorry if I seemed ungrateful. | 02:26 |
| golinux | I'm useless with uefi. Have always used legacy. | 02:26 |
| saptech | I use legacy too | 02:26 |
| Psud0nym | etcher eliminates a lot of the cli | 02:26 |
| Psud0nym | issues* | 02:27 |
| golinux | But I know who I'd ping if I got into trouble. | 02:27 |
| Psud0nym | I've been doing efi for a couple years now. | 02:27 |
| Psud0nym | first step is to boot efi... that seems to be the only way that it works. | 02:28 |
| golinux | ampimages are not something devuan encourages. | 02:28 |
| saptech | hmmm | 02:28 |
| Psud0nym | golinux: you're good. I didn't feel any slight. | 02:29 |
| saptech | i'm currently using mageia with plasma (gulp) | 02:29 |
| golinux | Psud0nym: Thanks. | 02:29 |
| golinux | Have you read the install notes? | 02:30 |
| saptech | no I haven't | 02:30 |
| golinux | Duh! Have a look! https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/desktop-live/README.txt | 02:30 |
| saptech | ok | 02:31 |
| Psud0nym | I have skimt hrough. perhaps I will peruse further. | 02:31 |
| Psud0nym | that was a spectacular typo | 02:32 |
| golinux | saptech: also this http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txt | 02:32 |
| saptech | ok | 02:33 |
| golinux | Read the section IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT USING ISOHYBRID IMAGES | 02:33 |
| golinux | There may be other nuggets there too. | 02:34 |
| golinux | Sorry all I can do is refer you to documentation. | 02:34 |
| fsmithred | what's going on? | 02:35 |
| * golinux really doesn't like to do installs. | 02:35 | |
| fsmithred | just got back | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | chicken | 02:35 |
| golinux | Hi! The cavalry has arrived | 02:35 |
| golinux | Can you read the scrollback? | 02:35 |
| saptech | can I install without installing grub? I want to use mageia grub bootloader | 02:36 |
| golinux | saptech is having trouble dding to usb. | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | yes, you can install without grub | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | are you on efi or bios? | 02:37 |
| Psud0nym | I had no problems on either of my using systems. netinstall.iso to usb using etcher. asus laptop and a HP Desktop both using efi. | 02:37 |
| golinux | I'm thinking he might have to zero the beginning of the drive | 02:37 |
| saptech | well, I dd the iso and it booted to the Menu, once I select to start, it show the first two lines of kernel info and then loop back to the Menu | 02:37 |
| golinux | saptech: you're in good hands. I'm off for a while | 02:38 |
| saptech | ok thanks for the help | 02:39 |
| saptech | fsmithred, i'm using Bios | 02:39 |
| fsmithred | I don't think I've seen that happen | 02:39 |
| golinux | I'll bbl | 02:39 |
| Psud0nym | later golinux | 02:40 |
| fsmithred | you're using the amd64? | 02:40 |
| saptech | yes | 02:40 |
| saptech | fsmithred, it happen with the minimal-live & desktop-live isos | 02:41 |
| fsmithred | I've seen it go right back to the menu before, if the kernel is missing (or if the path is wrong in the boot menu) | 02:42 |
| fsmithred | oh | 02:42 |
| fsmithred | using ascii, right? | 02:42 |
| saptech | yes | 02:42 |
| saptech | with a usb stick | 02:42 |
| fsmithred | did you check the sha256sum? | 02:43 |
| saptech | yes | 02:43 |
| fsmithred | dd if=<isofile> of=/dev/sdX | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | what other options did you use? | 02:44 |
| saptech | I didn't I used the bs=1M conv=sync options | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | ok | 02:48 |
| saptech | I'm fixing the wife dinner, so I'll answer if not right away | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | I'm going to try it here | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | just had to figure out which usb stick to use | 02:48 |
| saptech | I did* | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | you used those options? | 02:49 |
| saptech | yes | 02:49 |
| fsmithred | I've never used conv=sync, and I don't know what it means, so I don't know if that is relevant to the problem | 02:50 |
| saptech | it's suppose to make sure all data has sync to the drive after it's done | 02:53 |
| saptech | I have used it before with other distros | 02:54 |
| fsmithred | pad every input block with NULs to ibs-size | 02:54 |
| saptech | last week I stupidly wiped my complete hard drive and now doing reinstalls of my distros on different partitions | 02:55 |
| fsmithred | anyway, I'm preparing a stick now | 02:55 |
| fsmithred | ouch | 02:55 |
| saptech | and my backups was wiped too | 02:55 |
| fsmithred | sorry to hear | 02:56 |
| fsmithred | I'll be back in a few minutes | 02:57 |
| saptech | ok, thanks | 02:57 |
| saptech | Psud0nym, have you ever used fsarchiver to backup partitions? | 02:59 |
| fsmithred | saptech, it boots here. Maybe try without the conv=sync | 03:14 |
| fsmithred | or a different usb stick | 03:15 |
| saptech | no different stick but I can try without the sync | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | just run sync afterward | 03:20 |
| saptech | ok | 03:20 |
| saptech | which iso did you use? | 03:20 |
| fsmithred | desktop-live amd64 | 03:20 |
| fsmithred | booted on bios | 03:21 |
| saptech | ok | 03:25 |
| fsmithred | do you have another debian-based linux installed? | 03:26 |
| saptech | no | 03:27 |
| saptech | I have ran debian before | 03:27 |
| fsmithred | I was thinking you could make a live-usb using refracta2usb, but it needs to be installed in something that has debian live-boot and live-config | 03:28 |
| holla | saptech: you should really try sth like 'qemu-system-x86_64 -usb -usbdevice disk:/dev/sdX' -- if you run into the same problem you know your stick is broken | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | good idea | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | but you need a running linux to do that | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | I don't think we're there yet | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | cat you burn a dvd? | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | cat/can | 03:30 |
| saptech | I don't believe the stick is broken, I used it to install Mageia & Artix distros recently. Now I'm using it to install Devuan | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | do those two distros support uefi boot? | 03:31 |
| saptech | not sure about artix, Im new with it. I would assume Mageia does | 03:32 |
| saptech | I just installed all these distros last Thursday | 03:33 |
| fsmithred | well, if you can ever get devuan booted, it'll be a fast install | 03:33 |
| saptech | I think last time I installed it, I burned to cd/dvd | 03:36 |
| saptech | ok, let me try it | 03:45 |
| saptech | fsmithred, I was able to get the thumb drive to work and installed, but I messed up during the install | 05:41 |
| saptech | I used the live minimum iso. during installation and following this doc, https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/minimal-xorg-install, I left out the keyboard & mouse drivers....silly me | 05:42 |
| saptech | plus I wanted lxde instead of xfce, which I was able to get installed. when I boot into devuan, no mouse/kb working | 05:43 |
| saptech | I also messed up on the locale configuration | 05:44 |
| saptech | I tried changing root into the system and that's when I noticed locale is not setup correctly, I wasn't able to install the mouse/kb drivers | 05:45 |
| saptech | changing root = chroot | 05:46 |
| saptech | holla, any ideas? | 05:48 |
| saptech | I guess a reinstall is next | 05:48 |
| fsmithred | yeah, reinstall is probably fastest | 05:58 |
| fsmithred | saptech, I'll warn you that the minimal-live is very minimal | 05:59 |
| fsmithred | lxde may be tricky when it comes to balancing all the polkit-shit | 06:00 |
| saptech | I understand minimal is bare basic | 06:01 |
| saptech | so does the desktop live come with xfce? | 06:01 |
| golinux | Yes | 06:01 |
| golinux | It has a darkpurpy theme. :D | 06:02 |
| saptech | I'll try it. nothing against xfce | 06:03 |
| golinux | It should work OOTB | 06:03 |
| golinux | That's the whole idea . . . | 06:04 |
| saptech | :) | 06:05 |
| fsmithred | you can change it later | 06:07 |
| fsmithred | if you want to get fancy, you can change it during the installation - chroot and remove/install whatever you want | 06:07 |
| saptech | well I'm giving plasma a chance with mageia I guess I can run xfce....it's been awhile :) | 06:10 |
| saptech | I always install openbox as my main environment. I just use something else for the family | 06:10 |
| saptech | bbl, trying it again. thanks for the help | 06:14 |
| saptech | I'm up and running with devuan. Thanks to all | 07:30 |
| KatolaZ | xrogaan: there is no list of IPv6 addresses for the round-robin... | 07:32 |
| xrogaan | huh | 07:32 |
| xrogaan | what am I hitting then? | 07:33 |
| xrogaan | the debian's own servers? | 07:33 |
| KatolaZ | xrogaan: what are you putting there? | 07:52 |
| KatolaZ | if you just give "host deb.devuan.org" you don't have any IPv6 address... | 07:52 |
| KatolaZ | and there is no AAAA entry in that zone | 07:53 |
| KatolaZ | (so far) | 07:53 |
| xrogaan | yeah, but doesn't deb.devuan.org redirect to debian repo for regular packages? | 07:53 |
| KatolaZ | yes | 07:53 |
| xrogaan | would explain why I get out of sync, maybe? | 07:53 |
| KatolaZ | so that must be the debian mirror having problems, maybe | 07:54 |
| KatolaZ | what do you mean by :get out of sync:? | 07:54 |
| xrogaan | I update the repo, do an upgrade and the packet isn't there. | 07:54 |
| xrogaan | Happens quite often. | 07:54 |
| xrogaan | Enough for me to grumble here :P | 07:55 |
| KatolaZ | xrogaan: looks very strange | 07:55 |
| KatolaZ | (to me) | 07:55 |
| KatolaZ | mirrors are monitored constantly | 07:55 |
| KatolaZ | especially those behind deb.devuan.org | 07:55 |
| xrogaan | well, the stuff from debian is lagging. | 07:55 |
| KatolaZ | dunno | 07:56 |
| KatolaZ | maybe | 07:56 |
| KatolaZ | maybe the local debian mirror you are hitting has issues | 07:56 |
| KatolaZ | maybe just the IPv6 one has issues instead | 07:56 |
| xrogaan | mmh, the backport repo from debian also had issues with a mate upgrade some time ago. | 07:58 |
| xrogaan | I may not be lucky a lot of time and upgrade when stuff isn't propagated enough. | 07:58 |
| Lieke | I usually have to call upgrade twice ever since the switch to deb.devuan.org because the first time more often than not gives 404 | 08:04 |
| Lieke | And I don't have v6 enabled | 08:05 |
| xrogaan | ah, I'm not alone! | 08:05 |
| fugitive | Hello. Seems there are issues with newest Skype on Ascii 4.9.0-8-amd64, I am getting segfaults. | 12:13 |
| fugitive | 05] skypeforlinux[19870]: segfault at 8 ip 00007f9e81889bb0 sp 00007ffde5ee4818 error 4 in libdbus-1.so.3.14.13[7f9e81870000+4c000] | 12:13 |
| fugitive | from dmesg ^ | 12:13 |
| fugitive | skype version: 8.30.0.50 | 12:13 |
| djph | no surprises that msft writes bad code. | 12:13 |
| fugitive | hah | 12:14 |
| underd0g | lol | 12:14 |
| underd0g | why bother with skype | 12:14 |
| KatolaZ | fugitive: report it to skype | 12:14 |
| KatolaZ | (no kidding) | 12:14 |
| fugitive | have to, using it bcz company | 12:15 |
| underd0g | make a winblows vm | 12:16 |
| underd0g | profti | 12:16 |
| fugitive | meh, less hassle is to explain to my supervisor that skype won't run atm :)) | 12:17 |
| amarsh04 | any reason why there have been no updates to Devuan unstable in the last 10 days? | 14:20 |
| KatolaZ | amarsh04: which mirror are you using? | 14:56 |
| amarsh04 | KatoiaZ auto.mirror.debian.org | 15:24 |
| amarsh04 | directs to packages.roundr.debian.org | 15:25 |
| KatolaZ | let me check | 15:28 |
| amarsh04 | packages.roundr.devuan.org | 15:28 |
| amarsh04 | Address: 5.196.38.18 | 15:28 |
| amarsh04 | sorry, should be devuan.org above | 15:28 |
| KatolaZ | yeah got it | 15:28 |
| KatolaZ | strange, since the mirror seems to be working fine | 15:29 |
| amarsh04 | I have auto.mirror.devuan.org in my /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:29 |
| KatolaZ | beowulf is receiving updates | 15:30 |
| amarsh04 | e.g. deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free | 15:30 |
| KatolaZ | amarsh04: amprolla is merging it correctly, apparently | 15:30 |
| KatolaZ | there was a glitch on the mirror a couple of days ago | 15:31 |
| KatolaZ | (see email on DNG) | 15:31 |
| KatolaZ | but we thought it had been solved | 15:31 |
| amarsh04 | sorry, I don't know how to find it | 15:31 |
| KatolaZ | (well, actually it was solved) | 15:31 |
| KatolaZ | find what? | 15:31 |
| amarsh04 | the email you refer to | 15:31 |
| KatolaZ | np | 15:31 |
| KatolaZ | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180921.232553.49f79851.en.html <- amarsh04 | 15:32 |
| amarsh04 | thanks | 15:32 |
| KatolaZ | amarsh04: are you giving apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? (sorry for the silly question) | 15:33 |
| amarsh04 | aptitude -u | 15:33 |
| KatolaZ | this should just update the package lisy | 15:34 |
| KatolaZ | this should just update the package list | 15:34 |
| KatolaZ | it won't install packages, right? | 15:34 |
| KatolaZ | I guess you should use either `aptitude safe-upgrade` or `aptitude full-upgrade` | 15:36 |
| KatolaZ | (sorry, not an aptitude expert) | 15:36 |
| KatolaZ | after you have given `aptitude -u` | 15:36 |
| amarsh04 | so any ascii or ceres line in /etc/apt/sources.list should replace auto.mirror.devuan.org with deb.devuan.org ? | 15:38 |
| KatolaZ | amarsh04: yes, but this is not the issue here | 15:39 |
| KatolaZ | aptitude -u is only updating the list of available packages | 15:39 |
| KatolaZ | IIRC it won't install new packages automatically | 15:39 |
| KatolaZ | see above | 15:39 |
| amarsh04 | seems to be working now, thanks for your help! | 15:41 |
| KatolaZ | np | 15:41 |
| KatolaZ | (I haven't done anything, actually...) | 15:43 |
| ryuujin | -whwooi | 16:35 |
| Achylles | Will linux kernel break over the linus issue and the whole opensource community suffer a blow defeat? Including devuan? I know it is an off-topic question... | 16:36 |
| DonkeyHotei | unlikely | 16:37 |
| sxpert | Achylles: Linus just needs to take a break. there are plenty of deputies that actually do the work... | 16:38 |
| sxpert | Achylles: he's only directing the "vision" at this point, but the work is done by those other people | 16:39 |
| furrywolf | why are people making such a mountain over what appears to be a small molehill? | 16:41 |
| KatolaZ | Achylles: the last time Linus took a break, the world got "git" as a result | 16:41 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 16:41 |
| KatolaZ | https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Getting-Started-A-Short-History-of-Git <- Achylles | 16:42 |
| djph | KatolaZ: you say that like it's a bad thing. | 16:43 |
| KatolaZ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git#History <- Achylles | 16:43 |
| KatolaZ | djph: quite the contrary | 16:43 |
| KatolaZ | where does it sound like "a bad thing"? | 16:43 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 16:43 |
| DonkeyHotei | git is arguably more important to the world of tech than linux | 16:43 |
| nemo | well. that's mostly thanks to github | 16:44 |
| KatolaZ | I just meant that so far only good things have come out of Linus taking a break :) | 16:44 |
| nemo | if it wasn't for the facebook of code, there's nothing in particular that would have given git dominance | 16:44 |
| djph | KatolaZ: Just the way I read "last time X we got Y" (e.g. "last time pottering got bored, we got systemd" | 16:44 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 16:45 |
| KatolaZ | djph: a bit of bias, or a bad day? :) | 16:45 |
| nemo | back when mercurial and git were launched there were solid reasons for facebook, mozilla, google code etc picking mercurial | 16:45 |
| djph | KatolaZ: bias in reading that turn of phrase, mostly. | 16:45 |
| KatolaZ | oh OK djph | 16:45 |
| KatolaZ | I am not a native speaker | 16:45 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 16:45 |
| djph | KatolaZ: it's alright, English is imprecise :) | 16:46 |
| KatolaZ | dunno if something sounds good or bad to some listeners | 16:46 |
| KatolaZ | ;) | 16:46 |
| djph | KatolaZ: and it's difficult without body-language / inflection. | 16:46 |
| KatolaZ | yep | 16:46 |
| KatolaZ | I know :) | 16:46 |
| KatolaZ | that's why I tend to use emoticons, when possible | 16:46 |
| furrywolf | there's nothing inherently negative about that wording. | 16:46 |
| djph | ^ | 16:47 |
| djph | it's neither inherently negative nor inherently positive | 16:47 |
| KatolaZ | furrywolf: it's the same in UK, but dunno about the other side of the pond | 16:47 |
| Achylles | I, myself, think that people are making a big fuss over this issue. For me, the fact that he is taking a break and other people taking the lead is a good sign. After all, he has to prepare leaders to take the project, because one day he will pass away. | 16:47 |
| furrywolf | I'm a native english speaker, of the american variety. | 16:47 |
| djph | all depends on the tone of voice and everything else. | 16:47 |
| KatolaZ | yeah djph, unless we don't have tone of voice on IRC :) | 16:48 |
| KatolaZ | anyway, hope it's clear now | 16:48 |
| djph | Achylles: Linus taking (another) break, meh, no biggie. Linus taking (another) break, plus SJW "rules(tm)" on the project now ... | 16:48 |
| DonkeyHotei | they have tone of voice on irc in chinese | 16:48 |
| djph | KatolaZ: wait, you're a Brit? | 16:49 |
| furrywolf | I've learned that anyone who uses the term "SJW" isn't worth having a conversation with, speaking of tone of voice... | 16:49 |
| djph | furrywolf: guess I'm not worth having a conversation with then :/ | 16:50 |
| djph | furrywolf: I disagree, but then again, I am somewhat biased toward myself | 16:51 |
| djph | :) | 16:51 |
| furrywolf | if you're going to call your opponents names and be dismissive before the discussion even starts, there's no point in a discussion. | 16:53 |
| KatolaZ | djph: I don't think I qualify as such ;) | 16:53 |
| KatolaZ | bbl | 16:53 |
| nemo | is SJW derogatory? | 16:54 |
| nemo | I thought people used it to label themselves? | 16:54 |
| nemo | got no idea, I try to stay out of that whole thing | 16:54 |
| furrywolf | KatolaZ: are you in some part of the world that has curry? I want a mutton vindaloo. hot. | 16:54 |
| furrywolf | no curry here. :( | 16:54 |
| Vajb | Hey. Im having a problem with my Asus laptop and mate-powermanager. It wont suspend my laptop after certain period of time. Also panel icon was showing only yellow triangle with exclamation mark. Is there anything I can do to fix this issue? | 16:54 |
| DonkeyHotei | there's a part of the world with no curry? | 16:54 |
| furrywolf | most of the US. | 16:55 |
| DonkeyHotei | ah, the "red states" | 16:55 |
| Vajb | oh and also it doesn't suspend if I close the lid | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | Vajb, some mate users are using xfce4-power-manager instead | 16:55 |
| Vajb | nor does it wake up if I open the lid | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | there are a couple discussions about it at dev1galaxy.org | 16:56 |
| nemo | DonkeyHotei: japan would be my wager from the poor reaction the exchange student in our kendo campus group had to eating out at DC area restaurants | 16:56 |
| nemo | was not a fan of indian or ethiopian | 16:56 |
| Vajb | fsmithred: oh, I just uninstalled xfce4-power-manager. I thought they will mix each other | 16:56 |
| djph | nemo: it's somewhat of a derogatory term yes, I believe the group prefers something other (although, hell if I know what it is). | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | apparently it works better than mate-power-manager | 16:57 |
| DonkeyHotei | nemo: have you never heard of japanese curry? | 16:57 |
| djph | furrywolf: is there a better term to use then? | 16:57 |
| fsmithred | but you probably won't get suspend on lid close | 16:57 |
| nemo | DonkeyHotei: but curry is everywhere in US, north, south, middle... esp since indian immigrants have been enormously successful in the hotel business | 16:57 |
| nemo | DonkeyHotei: no actually | 16:57 |
| djph | furrywolf: uhh, actually, that's probably more better to chat about in the other channel, no? | 16:57 |
| DonkeyHotei | i am aware that curry is everywhere in the US | 16:57 |
| Vajb | fsmithred: thanks for the hint. I'll purge mate manager then and install xfc4 manager instead | 16:57 |
| fsmithred | Vajb, are you on ascii or jessie? | 16:58 |
| nemo | The phrase originated in the late 20th century as a neutral or positive term for people engaged in social justice activism.[1] In 2011, when the term first appeared on Twitter, it changed from a primarily positive term to an overwhelmingly negative one. | 16:58 |
| nemo | ah.. so it was basically people's reaction to it that changed the connotation | 16:58 |
| Vajb | fsmithred: ascii. Installed it at the weekend from the .iso | 16:58 |
| nemo | oh well whatev | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | ok, check the discussions. I don't know if you'll have to fiddle with polkit stuff. | 16:58 |
| Vajb | I did read some conversations about the isuue, but couldn't find definitive fix | 16:59 |
| Vajb | issue* | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | ok, try it. If you have problems, ask more questions. | 17:00 |
| Vajb | there was succestion to instal never mate-power-manager from some other repo | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | from hezeh? | 17:01 |
| Vajb | but I didn't feel like adding new repo | 17:01 |
| Vajb | I think that was the name | 17:01 |
| nemo | wait. mate-power-manager requires systemd now?? | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | you could try it. That's Antofox's repo. He does cinnamon and mate. | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | nemo, that's not what we're saying. Did you hear that somewhere else? | 17:02 |
| Vajb | ok | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | hezeh has 1.20 in ascii | 17:03 |
| Vajb | in some forum was mention of systemd and mate-power-manager | 17:03 |
| Vajb | I found while researching info about my problem | 17:03 |
| Vajb | found it* | 17:03 |
| nemo | guess I misunderstood the bit above about using alternate power manager | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | I don't see any versions with devuan in the name, so I guess it's still safe | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | I checked the Depends on mate-power-manager in sid/ceres/buster/beowulf, and it requires policykit-1 or systemd | 17:05 |
| nemo | oh. this sounds familiar. | 17:06 |
| nemo | I think I asked the #mate folks and they said it was a debian error | 17:06 |
| nemo | bad dependency flag | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | looks like the one in jessie requires consolekit or systemd | 17:06 |
| nemo | was starting to freak out since I use MATE on everything these days, and was busy transitioning over from ubuntu 14.04 to devuan... | 17:07 |
| Vajb | fsmithred: Thanks for the help and bye fo now. | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | yw, bye | 17:10 |
| * amarsh04 has curry in Japan but mostly from the Indian/Nepali restaurants | 17:58 | |
| Achylles | There is a package called sympa in my devuan that is causing me trouble. I have tried to purge, uninstall, remove all their files by hand and other methods, but it is like a cancer. How can I finally purge this plague? | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | Achylles, 'aptitude purge sympa' should do it. Do you get an error message with that? | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | what files are left after removing it? | 18:58 |
| Achylles | https://paste.debian.net/1043958/ | 19:02 |
| Achylles | fsmithred, https://paste.debian.net/1043959/ | 19:08 |
| Achylles | then I update and it says that I have to "apt install -f" and I do that and everything reinstall again including sympa and I am trapped into a loop and sympa does not go away. | 19:20 |
| Achylles | :( | 19:20 |
| KatolaZ | furrywolf: once I was denied a mutton vindaloo by the waiter | 19:25 |
| KatolaZ | he said I was not able to cope with it | 19:25 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 19:25 |
| KatolaZ | he was disappointed by facts | 19:25 |
| furrywolf | lol | 19:28 |
| furrywolf | as a white person, it usually takes me a couple meals at a new restaurant to convince them that when I order something hot, I don't mean white person hot. | 19:29 |
| furrywolf | only some places will actually tell you this, but it seems just about every place has a different "white person hot" compared to "us hot". | 19:30 |
| Achylles | fsmithred, here is the whole trap --> https://paste.debian.net/1043960/ | 19:30 |
| furrywolf | I got a good rant about this from the girl at the vietnamese place... "white people order hot. we put in ONE PEPPER. one. Back to the kitchen! too hot! every time, back to the kitchen!" | 19:30 |
| furrywolf | "back home, we put in handfull! just right!" | 19:31 |
| furrywolf | the girl at the thai place told me the magic words there is to order "thai hot", which lets them know I want hot-in-thailand-hot, not white person hot. | 19:32 |
| furrywolf | same with the indian place, back when we had a real one... | 19:34 |
| furrywolf | as a white person, I get discriminated against at every restaurant I go to. :) | 19:35 |
| fsmithred | Achylles, did you try reinstalling sympa and then removing it? | 19:37 |
| Achylles | yes | 19:42 |
| Achylles | many times | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | and do you still get the message that it's in an inconsistent state? | 19:44 |
| Psud0nym | good afternoon. | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | I think maybe you need to get it out of the broken state before you can remove it | 19:46 |
| Psud0nym | I'm tinkering with Jenkins for the first time. is there a way I can make this help Devuan? | 19:46 |
| Psud0nym | package install failed? | 19:47 |
| fsmithred | package removal failed | 19:47 |
| Achylles | When I issue "apt install -f" as dpkg suggests, it reinstalls sympa, but it remains in system as a broken package --> https://paste.debian.net/1043962/ | 19:47 |
| KatolaZ | Achylles: are you mixing repos? | 19:48 |
| Achylles | Am I? | 19:48 |
| KatolaZ | dunno | 19:48 |
| Achylles | fsmithred, see here --> https://paste.debian.net/1043962/ | 19:48 |
| Psud0nym | you could try doing the steps from the source packages manually. | 19:49 |
| Achylles | Have done before... | 19:49 |
| Achylles | by hand... | 19:49 |
| Achylles | see the posts above | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | looks like there might be a problem with the pre-removal script | 19:52 |
| Psud0nym | it is pre-removal. | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna take a look at it | 19:53 |
| Psud0nym | it's not finding a file to remove "/usr/lib/sympa/bin/sympa_wizard.pl" | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | maybe 'aptitude reinstall sympa' will be smarter about it | 19:53 |
| Psud0nym | "touch '/usr/lib/sympa/bin/sympa_wizard.pl'" | 19:53 |
| Psud0nym | it should stisfy the pre-remove | 19:54 |
| Achylles | my sources.list --> https://paste.debian.net/1043963/ | 19:54 |
| Psud0nym | "is this thing on?" | 19:58 |
| fsmithred | yes Psud0nym I see you | 19:59 |
| Achylles | aptitude reinstall sympa --> https://paste.debian.net/1043966/ | 19:59 |
| Achylles | and I do not have this folder "/usr/lib/sympa/" :( | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | did you manually remove it? | 20:01 |
| Achylles | yes, I think, 2 weeks ago... | 20:02 |
| Achylles | touch /usr/lib/sympa/bin/sympa_wizard.pl | 20:03 |
| Achylles | touch: cannot touch '/usr/lib/sympa/bin/sympa_wizard.pl': No such file or directory | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | ??? | 20:03 |
| furrywolf | you may have to make the directory just so it can delete it... | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | oh, you need the directory to exist | 20:04 |
| Psud0nym | :) It's complaining that "/usr/lib/sympa/bin/sympa_wizard.pl" is missing. (which would be explained by that parent directory not being there as well. | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | mkdir -p /usr/lib/sympa/bin/ | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | then touch the file | 20:04 |
| Achylles | now it says I do not have permissions to such and such. How can? If the file belongs to root? --> https://paste.debian.net/1043970/ | 20:08 |
| fsmithred | are you root? | 20:11 |
| Achylles | yes --> # whoami | 20:13 |
| Achylles | root | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | which command gives that error? mkdir or touch? | 20:13 |
| Achylles | none | 20:13 |
| Achylles | the file was created | 20:13 |
| Achylles | and the dir as well | 20:14 |
| Psud0nym | maybe set the permissions to the file to 777 ? | 20:14 |
| Achylles | aptitude reinstall sympa | 20:14 |
| Achylles | gave that error --> the last pastebin | 20:15 |
| Achylles | Psud0nym, will change that | 20:15 |
| fsmithred | postinstall script actually runs the wizard | 20:16 |
| Psud0nym | fsmithred: are you looking through the source package? | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | yes | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | but I think it's not the same version, because I find mention of the wizard on line 80, not line 93 | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | I'm looking at the ascii version, apt is trying to install the ascii-security version on your box | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | maybe try installing sympa=6.2.16~dfsg-3 | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | just guessing here | 20:19 |
| Psud0nym | so you asked if he had mixed sources? reasonable. maybe he has .list files under /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 20:19 |
| fsmithred | good question | 20:20 |
| Achylles | it worked to some extent, after chmod 777, but stopped here: https://paste.debian.net/1043973/ | 20:25 |
| Psud0nym | seems like the package is missing. | 20:26 |
| fsmithred | parts of it are missing | 20:27 |
| fsmithred | try reinstalling the same version | 20:27 |
| Achylles | my sources.list.d have got 3 files --> http://paste.debian.net/1043974/ | 20:32 |
| Achylles | http://paste.debian.net/1043975/ | 20:32 |
| Achylles | http://paste.debian.net/1043976/ | 20:32 |
| fsmithred | what comes from nodesource? | 20:34 |
| Achylles | I will open synaptic to see. | 20:35 |
| Achylles | also, it says that I do not have mysql installed | 20:35 |
| Achylles | oh, no. I do have it --> which mysql | 20:36 |
| Psud0nym | node.js comes from http://paste.debian.net/ | 20:44 |
| Psud0nym | nodesource* | 20:44 |
| Achylles_ | nodejs | 20:45 |
| Achylles_ | comes from that repo | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I checked the versions of some of the js packages that got removed/reinstalled - they were all ascii versions | 20:45 |
| Psud0nym | I'm guessing reinstalling didn't work? | 20:45 |
| Achylles_ | Could the problem be in mysql package? | 20:46 |
| Achylles_ | I remember that some time ago I installed that from community, for trying to install lwt | 20:47 |
| Achylles_ | but, I think I purged that and reinstalled the one from ascii | 20:48 |
| Achylles_ | not sure... | 20:48 |
| Psud0nym | do you have wwsympa installed? | 20:48 |
| Achylles_ | Anyway my mysql.list is all commented | 20:49 |
| Achylles_ | I will see | 20:49 |
| Psud0nym | it's not available from ascii that I can see, but the package says that it conflicts. | 20:50 |
| Achylles_ | I just installed that | 20:51 |
| Achylles_ | So, where is that coming from???!!! | 20:51 |
| Achylles_ | But, got lots of errors related to sympa | 20:52 |
| Psud0nym | i looked at the package info for sympa. | 20:52 |
| Psud0nym | it just has it listed in that info as a conflicting package for sympa. | 20:53 |
| Achylles_ | https://paste.debian.net/1043980/ | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | have you tried installing or reinstalling the older version? | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | apt-get install sympa=6.2.16~dfsg-3 | 20:56 |
| Achylles_ | https://paste.debian.net/1043983/ --> do not work :( | 20:59 |
| Psud0nym | maybe a bad package in the cache? | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | apt-get install sympa=6.2.16~dfsg-3 --reinstall | 21:02 |
| Psud0nym | I found a page online discussing how to manually remove a broken package | 21:03 |
| Psud0nym | is it ok to share here? | 21:04 |
| Achylles_ | did not work --> https://paste.debian.net/1043984/ | 21:05 |
| Achylles_ | this sympa is a real cancer in my devuan :( | 21:06 |
| Achylles_ | Psud0nym, where is the link? | 21:07 |
| Xenguy | Psud0nym: Why not, please share | 21:08 |
| Psud0nym | http://www.piprime.fr/1480/manually-remove-broken-package-debian-ubuntu/ I was lo0king over the details | 21:08 |
| Xenguy | tx | 21:08 |
| Psud0nym | looks like the the solution is to manually remove/relocate the scripts for the package. the force dpkg to remove it from the database. | 21:09 |
| Achylles_ | cannot open the link | 21:09 |
| Achylles_ | is this right? | 21:10 |
| Psud0nym | PAQUET being sympa: | 21:11 |
| Psud0nym | mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/PAQUET.* /tmp/ | 21:11 |
| Psud0nym | dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq PAQUET | 21:11 |
| Psud0nym | of course as root | 21:11 |
| Psud0nym | i think PAQUET is French for package. | 21:12 |
| golinux | Psud0nym: https://ci.devuan.org/ | 21:13 |
| * golinux hasn't read the backlog so that may have already been posted. | 21:13 | |
| Psud0nym | golinux: did you mean to post the link to CI? | 21:14 |
| golinux | Yes. You mentioned jenkins. It is part of our build process. | 21:16 |
| golinux | You wanting to do some packaging? | 21:16 |
| Psud0nym | ah. I installed a standalone on my box here. just wondering how to use the devuan-glue repo contents | 21:17 |
| Psud0nym | I have done some for Mattias Klumpp & and Tanglu. | 21:17 |
| Psud0nym | besides. I wanted to build Astroid MUA and it has some requisites not available in devuan as yet. | 21:18 |
| Psud0nym | and that's just to try it out. https://github.com/astroidmail/ | 21:19 |
| Psud0nym | I never did dput anything however. | 21:22 |
| Achylles_ | Psud0nym, fsmithred thx a lot the PAQUET thing did the trick. The sympa deamon and all his legions finally went away --> Long life to France! Yup! --> https://paste.debian.net/1043985/ | 21:22 |
| Psud0nym | I'm glad! | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | cool | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | I copied those commands for later use | 21:23 |
| Psud0nym | think I'll just add that to my tools of last resort pile. | 21:23 |
| Achylles_ | I will make a scrypt on how to remove a broken package with those two commands... | 21:23 |
| Achylles_ | But, I couldn't open the link | 21:24 |
| Psud0nym | not sure why you couldn't open the link. | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | link works here | 21:25 |
| Psud0nym | I've been had to copy and paste the links manually on my browser, but works. | 21:26 |
| Psud0nym | and I think I just added a wiki entry to my todo list. | 21:29 |
| golinux | Psud0nym: Nice! | 21:32 |
| Psud0nym | golinux: please clarify. | 21:33 |
| golinux | <Psud0nym> and I think I just added a wiki entry to my todo list. | 21:34 |
| golinux | The wiki welcomes new additions! | 21:34 |
| Psud0nym | yeah. I'm in the market for some wiki wiki work. | 21:35 |
| Psud0nym | been talking with a few of the people involved with wiki. It seems on hold for now, and waiting for blinkdog to return. | 21:37 |
| Psud0nym | I'll try to host it local and have someone look it over before going live with it. | 21:38 |
| Achylles_ | Psud0nym, fsmithred just a contribution for the time spent with me to solve the sympa issue. I have tested the script with "alien" and that worked. Others can copy and test if they want --> https://paste.debian.net/1043988/ | 21:58 |
| grillon | hi there | 22:04 |
| etech3 | what are people using for backup in Devuan bare metsl, clone etc | 22:47 |
| unixman | What is this "backup" of which you speak? | 22:49 |
| etech3 | bare metal like mondoarchive or Relax and recover | 22:50 |
| unixman | I was making a joke. ;) | 22:50 |
| etech3 | Rear is using systemd | 22:51 |
| unixman | Frankly I backup data and config files from my netbook running Devuan to a flash drive and to storage on Dropbox. I do not back up anything else on it as the system can easily be reloaded. | 22:51 |
| etech3 | so what are you doing for system crash running Devuan iso again? | 22:53 |
| gnarface | seatbelts :) | 22:53 |
| unixman | If the system completely crashed, I would do forensics (if the drive still worked), then reinstall from ISO. | 22:53 |
| gnarface | etech3: i still just use tar | 22:54 |
| unixman | All I really care about is the irreplaceable data. | 22:54 |
| unixman | Yup, tar FTW. | 22:54 |
| gnarface | there's no automatic recovery method but it's fine, i don't lose systems to "crash" often | 22:54 |
| etech3 | I got mondoarchive to work on Devuan Jessie. Had to drop the swap out of fstab and the mondo RESTORE works fine. | 22:55 |
| gnarface | so most the time when i'm going into the backups it's just to recover some config file changes that got left behind in an upgrade | 22:55 |
| etech3 | This is more for testing stages | 22:56 |
| gnarface | etech3: i think the popular open source ones are called amanda and backula | 22:56 |
| gnarface | i've never heard of mondoarchive, i assume that came from out-of-repo... | 22:57 |
| unixman | I've run bacula. It works okay, but is a bit hairy to set up./ | 22:57 |
| etech3 | been a long time since I used amanda | 22:58 |
| unixman | The bling in bacula is it can be run as a distributed backup service. | 22:58 |
| unixman | Not relevant for a single system though. | 22:58 |
| etech3 | mondoarchive used to be in Debianetch I think, don't know when it got dropped out of Debian | 22:59 |
| gnarface | oh, i think someone also made one that works like apple's "time machine" feature but i always forget what it's called... | 22:59 |
| etech3 | mondo bare metal to DVD, USB and to NFS | 22:59 |
| gnarface | maybe rdiff-backup? | 22:59 |
| gnarface | yea, i think it's rdiff-backup... | 22:59 |
| gnarface | incremental backups might be useful... i don't really get that feature from tar | 23:00 |
| etech3 | mondo and Rear both do incremental backups too | 23:00 |
| etech3 | just that systemd thing... | 23:01 |
| holla | gnarface: good ol' rsync? | 23:06 |
| Xenguy | I used to use rsnapshot for incremental backups; it seemed to work fine. | 23:07 |
| gnarface | holla: clients like it but for myself i'm rarely in a position where it's helpful for backups unless i'm trying to recover data from dying disks. i use it more often for automating inter-server processes | 23:08 |
| gnarface | holla: (it's useful for example for stuff like syncing working image directories between machines in a cluster) | 23:09 |
| golinux | rsync ftw. I would use refractasnapshot as I have always done but I can't get the iso under the 4gb limit even with just about everything excluded. | 23:11 |
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