| * Xenguy fucks an apple... | 02:40 | |
| golinux | Xenguy: You're in a mood . . . | 02:48 |
|---|---|---|
| Xenguy | It was an involuntary moment = ) | 02:49 |
| holla | like you stumbled and impaled it with your manhood? gosh, you had too much of those blue pills i'ld say ;) | 03:05 |
| Xenguy | An interesting mixture of metaphors | 03:05 |
| Xenguy | Never yet had the pleasure of viagra, but much prefer the red pill in any case : -) | 03:06 |
| holla | 'we need apples - lots of apples ...' - won't shout out the g-word in public - you could never know wheter Agent Smith is listening ;) | 03:17 |
| furrywolf | ... huh? | 03:18 |
| Xenguy | Millions of peaches, peaches for free! | 03:29 |
| Xenguy | Look out! | 03:29 |
| * golinux wonders what this channel is coming to . . . | 03:30 | |
| Xenguy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvAnQqVJ3XQ | 03:34 |
| Xenguy | Beyond the Pale | 03:34 |
| Xenguy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwL7mEOJuc4 | 03:55 |
| nemo | hm. so. radeon appears to be missing my driver's info | 14:15 |
| nemo | I'm willing to try patching the driver, but while I looked for help on #radeon I figured I should fall back to fglrx | 14:16 |
| nemo | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=fglrx&release=any | 14:16 |
| nemo | jessie-only | 14:16 |
| nemo | is there a recommended method for getting this? | 14:16 |
| nemo | should I stick to manually installing the .deb? I'm guessing adding jessie to my sources could lead to surprises | 14:16 |
| nemo | hm. I guess more to the point, any particular reason this isn't in ascii already? is it about minimising scope of what you guys have to review? | 15:13 |
| nemo | or repo size? | 15:13 |
| nemo | hmmm | 15:17 |
| nemo | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/210080/fglrx-on-debian-stretch | 15:17 |
| nemo | that could be the problem | 15:17 |
| nemo | welp. let's see if ATI maintains something usable | 15:18 |
| nemo | looks like no. crud. aight. nothing for it. #radeon is my only hope | 15:20 |
| nemo | FWIW, I was missing the AMD firmware | 15:53 |
| nemo | apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics | 15:53 |
| furrymcgee | amd has less troubles OCthan nvidia drivers i guess | 15:54 |
| nemo | seems well behaved now | 15:57 |
| nemo | kinda surprised debian doesn't recommend that package | 15:58 |
| nemo | probably most every card needs it | 15:58 |
| nemo | I guess the non-free is sticking point for recommend. and WAG ubuntu just installs it, which is why I never noticed this until now | 15:58 |
| nemo | but will keep this in mind in future when supporting Hedgewars users - seems like an easy thing to miss | 15:58 |
| man_in_shack | ew amd graphics (: | 16:06 |
| nemo | man_in_shack: heh. well it's either that or put up with a fuzzy display and CPU emulation of opengl | 16:08 |
| man_in_shack | wheee | 16:08 |
| nemo | man_in_shack: and I have zero say over this laptop's configuration | 16:08 |
| man_in_shack | ew, laptop graphics | 16:08 |
| man_in_shack | kernel upgrade "fixed" bios bug behaviour | 16:09 |
| nemo | but I gotta say, I'm feeling pretty damn smug these days as the intel trainwreck continues. AMD has had some problems, but they have not been as bad by far | 16:09 |
| nemo | less cheating | 16:09 |
| nemo | man_in_shack: anyway. I have both a tower and a laptop here - both were issued by my workplace almost a decade ago | 16:09 |
| man_in_shack | cool | 16:09 |
| nemo | I'm doing my damndest to keep them functioning 'cause all the other devs on the new generation of machines are basically crippled | 16:09 |
| nemo | man_in_shack: they have to do all their work in VMs since the laptops are locked down and windows 10 | 16:10 |
| man_in_shack | fun | 16:10 |
| man_in_shack | yay, another bios bug has resurfaced | 16:12 |
| man_in_shack | this is fuuuuun | 16:12 |
| man_in_shack | ooh, less severe this time though | 16:13 |
| cehteh | mhm . whats the best way to migrate from squeeze to ascii? :) | 16:32 |
| cehteh | stepping up debian until jessie and then ascii? | 16:33 |
| nemo | cehteh: that sounds considerably less insane than my decision to try jumping straight from ubuntu 14.04 to devuan ascii which crashed and burned ☺ | 16:36 |
| debdog | IIRC I did debian wheezy -> devuan jessie -> ascii | 16:36 |
| cehteh | yeah i am not sure if i want debian or devuan jessie in that sequence | 16:38 |
| cehteh | ah devuan .. currently thats a vserver kernel, container host, want to migrate that to libvirt/lxc | 16:39 |
| cehteh | and debians libvirt needs systemd, that was some pain some time ago on another box | 16:40 |
| Centurion_Dan | cehteh: devuan's libvirt doesn't depend on systemd. | 16:52 |
| cehteh | yes i know | 16:52 |
| cehteh | hence devuans jessie, not debian | 16:52 |
| nemo | hm... ascii still doesn't have gimp 2.9/3.0 ? | 16:54 |
| nemo | oh. haha | 16:54 |
| nemo | I thought it had been released. clearly not | 16:54 |
| nemo | even 2.10 was only april of this year | 16:55 |
| nemo | but. guess if I want 2.10/3.0 I gotta build it myself. oh well | 16:55 |
| nemo | not at all unusual w/ debian and its variants | 16:56 |
| nemo | I guess the difference is that under ubuntu I could rely more on PPAs | 16:56 |
| nemo | hrm. they do have a flatpak | 16:57 |
| nemo | wish I didn't find that entire concept distasteful | 16:57 |
| nemo | esp in something with as huge a surface area as gimp | 16:57 |
| man_in_shack | wat | 17:00 |
| man_in_shack | ceres doesn't have gimp 4.0 yet? >:( | 17:00 |
| nemo | hehe | 17:01 |
| nemo | man_in_shack: I've been hanging around the gimp dev channel too long | 17:01 |
| nemo | I kind of think of 3.0 as something that's existed for years | 17:01 |
| man_in_shack | well tell them to get on it then :D | 17:01 |
| nemo | and the 2.10 release seemed longer, but it's been a busy year for me | 17:02 |
| fugitive | Hi. I've ran into some issues while trying to install qemu. http://termbin.com/z8aq . Problem seems to be libc-bin | 23:09 |
| fugitive | http://i.imgur.com/abJ5rj3.png | 23:11 |
| plasma41 | fugitive: There's a dev meeting at the moment. Wait just a few minutes then there should be plenty of people to help you. | 23:15 |
| fugitive | Okay, NP! | 23:15 |
| gnarface | fugitive: i'm not one of the devs so i can try to get you started pointing in the right direction. i took a look at your screenshot and right off the bat i can tell you something has gone massively wrong. nothing in the repos installs to /opt so you've already broken the rules by mixing distros/repos in some potentially hazardous way. maybe i can help you back yourself out of the corner if you can tell me exactly what | 23:28 |
| gnarface | you did that lead up to this. | 23:28 |
| gnarface | did you try to install qemu from a 3rd party repo? you should have used the native package. | 23:29 |
| gnarface | if you're not sure, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list | 23:29 |
| gnarface | (if you're relying on commercial software in /opt that is known to work, a common beginner's mistake is to forget to add /opt/bin and /opt/lib to the proper environment variables) | 23:31 |
| fugitive | Well, I had qemu installed from Jessie, but qemu-img wasn't working. ldd-ing binary shown broken libs, this is one of sshots from my xterm http://i.imgur.com/RqXl0IR.png, so I tried to do apt --reinstall qemu, to see if that would fix anything, and all fun come from there. Natively, qemu is installed from repos, i don't remember myself compiling it | 23:32 |
| fugitive | pls ignore thing with /opt, it is not related :-) | 23:33 |
| fugitive | currently i am on ascii (for couple of months already) | 23:33 |
| gnarface | hmm. when you did the upgrade from ascii to jessie, is it possible you forgot to do one final `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade` to make sure you don't have vestiges from jessie laying around? | 23:34 |
| gnarface | if you had used jessie-backports some of those could be blocking upgrades too | 23:34 |
| gnarface | that could definitely cause this type of thing | 23:35 |
| fugitive | man who knows, did that very long time ago :-( | 23:35 |
| gnarface | well try it now | 23:35 |
| gnarface | wait | 23:35 |
| gnarface | lemme see your sources.list first | 23:35 |
| gnarface | to make sure we're not just gonna make it worse | 23:35 |
| golinux | Good idea | 23:35 |
| fugitive | http://termbin.com/7t4x | 23:36 |
| gnarface | wine-staging goes in /opt too, so mabye that's harmless | 23:36 |
| gnarface | hmmm ok that's messy | 23:36 |
| gnarface | lemme fix one up for you | 23:37 |
| gnarface | fugitive: change it to this: http://paste.debian.net/1045782/ | 23:38 |
| fugitive | this is from sources.list.d/ http://termbin.com/lcym (cat-ed all) but those are 3rd party sources | 23:38 |
| gnarface | get rid of all those for now | 23:39 |
| gnarface | i dunno what they do so it's an unnecessary risk. | 23:39 |
| gnarface | but back them up somewhere in case you need them later | 23:39 |
| fugitive | okay | 23:39 |
| gnarface | next we run this: `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade` | 23:40 |
| gnarface | just like that | 23:40 |
| gnarface | but don't just say "Yes" blindly | 23:40 |
| gnarface | make sure it's not marking anything to REMOVE | 23:40 |
| gnarface | unless it's being upgraded/replaced | 23:40 |
| fugitive | sure, i am always cautious | 23:40 |
| gnarface | what may have happened is you may have included something from jessie-backports or one of those 3rd party repos that has a newer package version than the ascii one | 23:41 |
| gnarface | (or from a 3rd party repo that just has nonsensical dependencies) | 23:42 |
| fugitive | seems dead end | 23:42 |
| fugitive | http://i.imgur.com/VQVnDNr.png | 23:42 |
| gnarface | no, that's good. say yes to that one | 23:42 |
| gnarface | after that, it will ask again. | 23:42 |
| fugitive | http://i.imgur.com/kqMNVSl.png | 23:43 |
| fugitive | same thing.. like with my old sources | 23:43 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 23:43 |
| gnarface | yikes | 23:43 |
| fugitive | yep | 23:44 |
| gnarface | something seems wrong with that libc6 package | 23:44 |
| gnarface | hang on, lemme look up the version | 23:44 |
| fugitive | iF libc-bin 2.24-11+deb9u3 amd64 GNU C Library: Binaries | 23:44 |
| fugitive | see dpkg status ^ - ``iF'' | 23:45 |
| gnarface | hmmm. yea, it is the version in ascii. | 23:45 |
| gnarface | try this: `apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install libc-bin` | 23:45 |
| gnarface | i expect an error, but maybe a more helpful one | 23:45 |
| fugitive | http://i.imgur.com/9pqWNJp.png | 23:46 |
| fugitive | yep smt is **cked | 23:47 |
| gnarface | "Illegal option --" | 23:47 |
| gnarface | "Illegal option -e" | 23:47 |
| gnarface | ^ these look highly suspicious | 23:47 |
| gnarface | like it's hitting a parsing error in the package scripot | 23:47 |
| fugitive | yea, those are extremely weird to me as well | 23:47 |
| fugitive | exactly | 23:47 |
| fugitive | have an idea which script to investigate? | 23:48 |
| gnarface | but i would expect other people to have run into the same issue if the problem was the package | 23:48 |
| gnarface | so i would lean more towards a version mismatch with whatever was processing the scripts | 23:48 |
| gnarface | have you done anything weird with your python install? | 23:48 |
| gnarface | upgraded it to a 3rd party version maybe? | 23:48 |
| fugitive | python? nop, nothing like that | 23:49 |
| gnarface | ok well we can look at the script | 23:49 |
| gnarface | it says it's the post installation script | 23:49 |
| fugitive | but where are those located? trying to find it atm.. | 23:50 |
| gnarface | i have to look it up | 23:50 |
| gnarface | do you have the package source downloaded? | 23:51 |
| fsmithred | theyre in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | 23:51 |
| gnarface | ah, thanks. it's probably /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc-bin.postinst then | 23:51 |
| gnarface | oh shit | 23:52 |
| gnarface | set -e on the second line | 23:52 |
| gnarface | uh | 23:52 |
| gnarface | did you swap your default system shell for something other than BASH? | 23:52 |
| gnarface | zsh, or dash perhaps? | 23:52 |
| fugitive | http://termbin.com/v5xf | 23:52 |
| fugitive | yea, zsh | 23:52 |
| gnarface | bingo | 23:52 |
| fugitive | looong time ago | 23:52 |
| gnarface | i'm betting that's what is breaking this | 23:53 |
| gnarface | either someone forgot to make zsh sh-compatible, or someone forgot to make this shell script sh-compatible | 23:53 |
| gnarface | probably choking on a bashism | 23:53 |
| gnarface | luckily that's probably an easy thing to fix | 23:54 |
| fugitive | k, lemme change shell | 23:54 |
| gnarface | switch your default system shell back to bash, and from now on only use zsh as your regular user. boot with bash. update packages with bash. | 23:54 |
| gnarface | well, they say bash or dash is safe for that, but in my experience dash isn't always as safe as bash | 23:55 |
| fsmithred | looks like it might be choking on 'ldconfig --verbose' too | 23:55 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: yea, possibly, but this pacakge update could be blocking binutils | 23:55 |
| gnarface | so that could be a red herring | 23:55 |
| fugitive | yea, one of things fsmithred: ldconfig -v doesn't output anything | 23:55 |
| fugitive | and.. same thing with bash.. | 23:56 |
| gnarface | i feel like this is the second time we've seen this. i wonder if the zsh people know it's a pitfall | 23:57 |
| fugitive | one sec.. i was still in zsh.. | 23:57 |
| fugitive | no, it definetly not shell.. http://i.imgur.com/8xsIHjK.png | 23:57 |
| fugitive | ok, i **cked something badly.. http://i.imgur.com/hdtCF8M.png | 23:58 |
| gnarface | how sure are you that you've actually returned the system shell to BASH? | 23:59 |
| fugitive | checked $SHELL env var | 23:59 |
| gnarface | ls -l /bin/sh | 23:59 |
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