| drwhite | Hi folks. What's the best thing to use for network setup and configuration GUI wise? Since there is no NetworkManager or NetworkManager Applet (Thank god), what should I be able to use please? Any suggestions? | 01:44 |
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| drwhite | It also needs to be able to integrate with the WiFi as well. | 01:48 |
| holla | cmst, or connman-ui maybe? | 01:54 |
| golinux | drwhite: Actually networkmangler is available. | 01:55 |
| golinux | You might want to check that you get the one best integrated with your desktop (if you have one) | 01:56 |
| drwhite | Does that require SystemD or NetworkManager? | 01:57 |
| drwhite | As in at all? | 01:57 |
| drwhite | NetworkMangler, when I look that up all I get is things about NetworkManager, so I will not be even continuing to look for NetworkMangler. | 02:04 |
| golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=networkmanager&release=ascii | 02:05 |
| golinux | drwhite: That was a joke | 02:05 |
| drwhite | Not very nice joke.. | 02:05 |
| drwhite | Maybe because of me not knowing. | 02:05 |
| drwhite | Thanks anyway. | 02:06 |
| drwhite | I'll stick with connman-ui | 02:06 |
| golinux | Sorry. That seems to be the general consensus around here. | 02:06 |
| drwhite | I hate NetworkManager that much. | 02:06 |
| drwhite | I hate SystemD even more | 02:06 |
| drwhite | But not much more. | 02:06 |
| golinux | LOL! | 02:07 |
| drwhite | they are close. | 02:07 |
| drwhite | Well, time to boot into Devuan then. Going to switch drives and see if it will work properly with the ConnMan-UI. Thanks holla. | 02:08 |
| Centurion_Dan | drwhite: network manager actually works reliably - in my opinion far more so then wicd. | 03:54 |
| Centurion_Dan | I dislike some aspects of it, but it along with the plugins for vpn etc makes using a laptop switching between wired and wireless pretty much painless | 03:56 |
| man_in_shack | ew network manager | 04:19 |
| man_in_shack | bloaty, kludgy, slow piece of junk that is | 04:19 |
| gnarface | well it's another one of those things that by the time i managed to figure out what was going wrong i didn't need one anymore | 04:25 |
| man_in_shack | when i last used it, by the time i worked out what was wrong, it was that i had to uninstall network-manager and use something that WORKS instead | 04:26 |
| DRWhite | hi again peeps | 06:30 |
| DRWhite | I have tried Connman, but that doesn't work. | 06:30 |
| DRWhite | So still no Interface for configuring Wireless and other networks quickly and simply with ease. | 06:31 |
| DRWhite | suggestions welcome. Be aware: no NetworkManager, no SystemD. | 06:31 |
| drwhite | Connman-ui has a tonne of errors, but you can work around them in the end and get it working in an acceptable mannor. | 07:34 |
| Centurion_Dan | man_in_shack: I used to think that too when it first appeared in squeeze... but since wheezy it's been actually the best gui managable network tool (until of course you know who decided it needs to be deprecated in favour of something built in to systemd...) | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: ping. How shall we coordinate FN admin stuff so simple tasks like cloaks don't need months to get accomplished? | 08:59 |
| Centurion_Dan | drwhite: network-manager in devuan doesn't require systemd... | 09:00 |
| Centurion_Dan | and as I said, it's more stable the wicd in my experience. | 09:00 |
| Unit193 | He's gone now, but cmst is a Qt based connman configuration utility, it seemed to work fairly well last time I used it. Much better than connman-ui. | 09:01 |
| MinceR | at least wicd sucks less at automatic connection | 09:01 |
| Centurion_Dan | MinceR: less then what exactly... | 09:03 |
| MinceR | less than networkmanager | 09:08 |
| parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: By sending me a list of users | 09:33 |
| * golinux thinks this "badge" thing is a little too Ubuntuish | 09:38 | |
| golinux | For all users at least | 09:39 |
| MinceR | would you prefer devuan/darklord/<username>? :> | 09:39 |
| golinux | Don;t be silly | 09:42 |
| MinceR | can't help it | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: that's easy. Thanks! | 10:13 |
| parazyd | :) | 10:15 |
| parazyd | You can email it or paste on IRC. It'd be best that you have queues of 5+, or just send them once a week. | 10:16 |
| filipdevuan_ | hey how can i check status of a service?? | 12:14 |
| gnarface | try /etc/init.d/service status | 12:16 |
| filipdevuan_ | with spacebar between service and status?? | 12:16 |
| telst4r | yes | 12:16 |
| telst4r | or "service --status-all" | 12:17 |
| gnarface | ^ this might not be installed | 12:17 |
| gnarface | depending on how they installed | 12:17 |
| filipdevuan_ | oh no its ok :) | 12:17 |
| filipdevuan_ | got it thanks | 12:17 |
| telst4r | mm. some services dont respect status-all | 12:18 |
| filipdevuan_ | is there any way to check logs of certain service?? | 12:18 |
| gnarface | they're usually somewhere semi-obvious under /var/log/ | 12:18 |
| telst4r | did you try /var/logs ? | 12:18 |
| djph | /var/log | 12:18 |
| telst4r | -s | 12:19 |
| djph | if it doesn't log, well, turn on logging ;) | 12:19 |
| gnarface | lots of stuff is bucketed into /var/log/daemon.log | 12:19 |
| filipdevuan_ | nah its all blank im basically having issue with bumblebeed service and guy from #bumblebee asks me for logs of this why it doesnt start i dnt know how to check it he gives me systemd commands | 12:20 |
| gnarface | there's a /var/log/mail.log but if you're looking for the mail logs you're probably looking for /var/log/exim4/* | 12:20 |
| gnarface | hmm. bumblebee might log to the Xorg log or syslog | 12:22 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah | 12:22 |
| filipdevuan_ | nah nothing is there damn i basically get this error 429.398648] [ERROR]The Bumblebee daemon has not been started yet or the socket path /var/run/bumblebee.socket was incorrect. | 12:24 |
| filipdevuan_ | <filipdevuan_> [ 429.398672] [ERROR]Could not connect to bumblebee daemon - is it running? | 12:24 |
| filipdevuan_ | and guy asked me for status of bumblebee service but i dont know how to check it lol he sent me systemctl command but its non systemd distro xD | 12:24 |
| gnarface | is there a /var/run/bumblebee.socket file and is bumblebeed showing up in the output of "ps aux" ? | 12:25 |
| gnarface | could just be a permissions problem, or the config file has the wrong path to the socket | 12:25 |
| filipdevuan_ | psaux?? | 12:25 |
| gnarface | (or bumblebeed really isn't running) | 12:26 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah i cant start it though | 12:26 |
| gnarface | check for the socket file, and check that config file in /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf or whatever it was | 12:26 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok i can see there are some xorg modules path maybe they store logs there ill have a look | 12:27 |
| filipdevuan_ | i dont know how to check socket file im sorry | 12:28 |
| filipdevuan_ | oh w8 | 12:28 |
| filipdevuan_ | i know | 12:28 |
| gnarface | that's fine just speak up: ls -l /var/run/bumblebee.socket | 12:28 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah it says no such file or directory | 12:28 |
| gnarface | the config file, does it mention bumblebee.socket anywhere? | 12:29 |
| filipdevuan_ | is there any way to search for word in terminal using nano?? | 12:29 |
| gnarface | probably not but you can use grep | 12:30 |
| gnarface | no i dunno. maybe you can in nano too | 12:30 |
| filipdevuan_ | i dont really know how to use grep oh damn goddamn optimus graphics ;P | 12:30 |
| filipdevuan_ | i had it running before though | 12:30 |
| gnarface | in nano it's ctrl+w | 12:30 |
| filipdevuan_ | okay bumblebee.conf says socket not found | 12:31 |
| gnarface | ^W Where Is | 12:31 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah got it thanks :) | 12:31 |
| gnarface | the archlinux wiki says sometimes this error could be caused by your user not being in the "bumblebee" group, or by not having both GPUs enabled in the BIOS | 12:32 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah im afraid i cant change my gpus in bios i think because i havent seen anything like that there and i added myself to bumblebee group however is there any command to check what groups the user is on the system?? | 12:33 |
| gnarface | sure, `groups` | 12:34 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah there is bumblebee | 12:34 |
| filipdevuan_ | oh im so confused now | 12:34 |
| filipdevuan_ | i think its something with conf file is wrong ok thanks for help :) | 12:35 |
| gnarface | well the socket file is missing. so something is wrong with something | 12:35 |
| gnarface | i think we can conclude that conclusively | 12:35 |
| filipdevuan_ | yes :) | 12:35 |
| gnarface | the archlinux wiki mentions one other thing... If you mistakenly had the display connected to the discrete graphics card and intel graphics was disabled, you probably installed Bumblebee after first trying to run Nvidia alone. In this case, be sure to remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf or .../20-nvidia... configuration files. If Xorg is instructed to use Nvidia in a conf file, X will fail. | 12:36 |
| gnarface | ^ this seems like a statement that is difficult to resolve as true in all relevant contexts, but it's probably still worth checking your config files. they still could be sabotaging it. | 12:37 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah its probably the case however i dont really know how to install nvidia drivers first before bumblebee cuz i can see there are only 340 nvidia drivers legacy | 12:37 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah ill check | 12:37 |
| gnarface | the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file specifically, if present, and anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ | 12:37 |
| gnarface | it's normal for it to install without any config files | 12:38 |
| gnarface | these days | 12:38 |
| gnarface | sometimes you still need a config | 12:38 |
| filipdevuan_ | damn nobody can solve my problem on #bumblebee because im not on systemd distro its so lame i cant see these files in X11 folders okay ill have some search on internet | 12:39 |
| gnarface | wait what about the Xorg log? | 12:40 |
| gnarface | did you locate it? | 12:40 |
| gnarface | it might be in /var/log/ but it could also be in ~/.local/share/xorg/ | 12:40 |
| filipdevuan_ | i feel like im just gonna reinstall bumblebee and see what happens | 12:41 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok | 12:42 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah there is log | 12:42 |
| gnarface | just one, or more than one? | 12:42 |
| filipdevuan_ | xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old in /var/log/ | 12:43 |
| gnarface | none in ~/.local/share/xorg then? | 12:43 |
| filipdevuan_ | no, no theres not even xorg folder in /.local/share/ :P | 12:44 |
| gnarface | ok. it's possible your BIOS has a setting it's just not one you recognize | 12:44 |
| gnarface | can you pastebin that Xorg.0.log? | 12:44 |
| filipdevuan_ | settings for gpu? | 12:44 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah sure | 12:44 |
| filipdevuan_ | w8 | 12:44 |
| gnarface | yea maybe settings for GPU are called something weird | 12:44 |
| filipdevuan_ | which pastebin do you recommend | 12:45 |
| gnarface | also some machines will decide which cards to activate at power on time based on if the lid is open/closed and which video card port you've plugged into | 12:45 |
| gnarface | i recommend paste.debian.net for now, until they find a way to make it require systemd | 12:45 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok here is the log https://paste.debian.net/1047500/ | 12:46 |
| filipdevuan_ | anyways im gonna reinstall bumblebee again and bumbleebee-nvidia | 12:47 |
| gnarface | i honestly doubt that'll help but good luck | 12:47 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah i doubt it as well to be honest :P | 12:48 |
| filipdevuan_ | but thanks | 12:48 |
| filipdevuan_ | yea it seems like i cant start bumblebeed service anymore | 12:48 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok i restarted it | 12:49 |
| filipdevuan_ | now i get this | 12:49 |
| filipdevuan_ | [ 2693.459920] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver | 12:49 |
| filipdevuan_ | [ 2693.460042] [ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled. | 12:49 |
| gnarface | did you have nvidia drivers installed too? | 12:49 |
| gnarface | what is the brand & model of this machine? | 12:50 |
| filipdevuan_ | apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus < this is what i used i havent installed nvidia drivers without bumblebee | 12:50 |
| gnarface | i think Xorg says it's using ... glamor? and i965 drivers? | 12:51 |
| filipdevuan_ | uhh im not proud of this laptop its acer aspire f5 573 | 12:51 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure you're supposed to mix bumblebee and glamor but i don't know | 12:51 |
| filipdevuan_ | uh i dont even know whats glamor ;D | 12:51 |
| gnarface | just looking up bios config screens | 12:51 |
| gnarface | i don't either | 12:51 |
| filipdevuan_ | hmm how would you install nvidia drivers without bumblebee on devuan?? | 12:51 |
| filipdevuan_ | non free i mean? | 12:51 |
| filipdevuan_ | because i think synaptic has quite outdated drivers?? should i install them from nvidia website? | 12:52 |
| filipdevuan_ | okay thanks ill install drivers | 12:53 |
| filipdevuan_ | okay but its .run file is it the file that u install by using ./make and then install | 12:53 |
| gnarface | no | 12:54 |
| filipdevuan_ | oh ok nevermind now thanks ill try to install drivers | 12:54 |
| gnarface | install from devuan repo first | 12:54 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah its chmod +x?? | 12:54 |
| gnarface | don't install the nvidia.com one | 12:55 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah but there are so many nvidia drivers in synaptic and i have no idea which ones to choose :P | 12:55 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok | 12:55 |
| gnarface | it's one driver in a lot of packages | 12:55 |
| gnarface | you're using devuan ascii right? | 12:56 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah | 12:56 |
| gnarface | if the 340 driver isn't new enough, check ascii-backports | 12:56 |
| filipdevuan_ | uhh it may be new enough i seriously have no idea | 12:56 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah well | 12:58 |
| filipdevuan_ | im gonna uninstall bumblebee and bumblebee-nvidia and install legacy 340xx and then im gonna install bumblebee again | 12:58 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok im gonna reboot and check bios settings by the way :) | 13:01 |
| gnarface | just make sure you keep all the nvidia packages the same version | 13:05 |
| gnarface | oh, he's gone | 13:05 |
| raoulzecat | hello, how do I install the command line tool « dig » on Devuan ? | 13:14 |
| gnarface | it's not already there? | 13:14 |
| raoulzecat | nope | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dig is COOL | 13:14 |
| gnarface | raoulzecat: it's in the package "dnsutils" | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, dig, sorry | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm notr awake, mixed it with ding | 13:15 |
| raoulzecat | gnarface, thanks ^_^ | 13:15 |
| gnarface | no problem | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zypper-based: https://pastebin.com/LLz01Mmn | 13:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 once found a very strange subtle bug in dig which wasn't in host. Also dig and host act subtly different even without that bug I can't recall aqnymore. I have to admit I like host better | 13:28 | |
| systemdlete | Did somebody ring me? | 14:43 |
| systemdlete | nvm. Looks like I was disconnected and freenode is setting +R new policy... | 14:50 |
| systemdlete | that's probably what woke my hexchat. | 14:50 |
| filipdevuan_ | hey im victim of nvidia optimus and i cant get bumblebee running and i also dont wanna use systemd distro or windows :( i dont know what to do now | 14:59 |
| djph | I thought bumblebee was on the way out, in favor of primus (or some other name..) | 15:00 |
| filipdevuan_ | uhh ok i didnt know that | 15:00 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok cheers | 15:01 |
| filipdevuan_ | ill try to get primus running then | 15:01 |
| nemo | systemdlete: AFAIK there's no freenode-wide policy yet | 15:06 |
| nemo | systemdlete: each channel gets to decide their own rules | 15:06 |
| nemo | for #hedgewars I set it to require voice for anyone who is not authenticated and not using the freenode web client | 15:06 |
| nemo | it's 'cause ofc those idiots are still spamming freenode - has been going on for weeksn ow | 15:07 |
| nemo | I guess botnets don't get bored | 15:07 |
| systemdlete | I saw "freenode" in the message, so I thought it was. Nice to know, thanks. | 15:20 |
| systemdlete | gotta run (meeting) | 15:20 |
| filipdevuan_ | i think primus and bumblebee is similar thing its just commands are different either optirun for bumblebee or primusrun for bumblebee but none of them runs | 15:26 |
| filipdevuan_ | i think im gonna give it a go and install debian perhaps cuz iv never used it before im not really into linux i dont know why systemd concerns me | 15:26 |
| filipdevuan_ | im fed up with this bumblebee and optimus i wish devuan had some optimus cards support because setting it up is pain in the *** systemd distros have it preconfigured out of the box so theyre more convenient ;/ | 15:28 |
| filipdevuan_ | so im gonna find linux distro for playing diablo 3 but well i remember i played it on devuan but have no idea how i configured it, but devuan is too amazing to be ditch i have 10 folders open 2 browsers ardoud k3b etcher and wow it runs like nothing was open at all | 15:31 |
| nemo | hm | 16:07 |
| nemo | why would devuan require anything special to play diablo | 16:07 |
| nemo | apart from, you know, making sure graphics acceleration works and wine is installed | 16:08 |
| nemo | shall have to ask him if he comes back | 16:08 |
| * Xenguy is glad to see apt-file works works nicely these days... | 16:38 | |
| Digit | how do i get the label changes "accepted explicitly"? "from master to devuan" on my ceres InRelease | 17:10 |
| DonkeyHotei | [Tue 2018-10-16 06:06:19 AM PDT] <nemo> systemdlete: AFAIK there's no freenode-wide policy yet <----- incorrect. | 17:11 |
| Digit | ah, found something from an ubuntu page, seems to be working. --allow-releaseinfo-change. :3 i hate that, finding the answer the second after asking. pesky impatience. n_n | 17:12 |
| DonkeyHotei | nemo: channels cannot set user modes | 17:12 |
| nemo | DonkeyHotei: guess I misunderstood what he was talking about | 17:15 |
| nemo | DonkeyHotei: thought he got booted from #devuan due to registered user restriction and a disconnect | 17:15 |
| nemo | +r | 17:16 |
| DonkeyHotei | that was not what he said | 17:16 |
| DonkeyHotei | at all | 17:16 |
| nemo | 08:50 < systemdlete> nvm. Looks like I was disconnected and freenode is setting +R new policy... | 17:16 |
| nemo | ah... what I guess he meant was he was unauthenticated so couldn't privmsg | 17:17 |
| nemo | didnt' see how that realatd to #devuan | 17:17 |
| DonkeyHotei | because this was the channel where privmsg failed? | 17:17 |
| systemdlete | Eh. Actually, what happened is I got disconnected. When they re-connected me, they set +R and +i. THat's all I know. | 17:55 |
| systemdlete | "They" --> seemed to be freenode, but maybe not. idk | 17:55 |
| systemdlete | I ***WAS*** authenticated beforehand; hexchat does this for me automatically. | 17:56 |
| MinceR | "You're waiting to hear about my 'them', aren't you?" | 17:56 |
| systemdlete | Maybe they did this to everyone | 17:56 |
| systemdlete | well, MinceR, nemo seems to believe that it was set by the channel, so I am not sure who "they" might be... | 17:57 |
| MinceR | :> | 17:57 |
| systemdlete | oh | 17:57 |
| MinceR | freenode sets it because there's a spambot attack going on | 17:57 |
| MinceR | probably for months now | 17:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that was set in the channel | 17:58 |
| MinceR | i mean, the +R umode | 17:58 |
| * systemdlete steps back and lets the big cheese settle this technical matter, which is above his own pay grade | 17:58 | |
| * fsmithred gives systemdlete a raise | 18:02 | |
| MinceR | :) | 18:03 |
| nemo | yeah I misunderstood. I thought he was talking about the devuan channel modes | 18:04 |
| nemo | 'cause. every once in a while I get disconnected, I end up rejoining as guest | 18:04 |
| nemo | then when I try to renick I have to quit all my channels first 'cause most of 'em are restricting voice for guest accounts | 18:04 |
| fsmithred | voice? | 18:05 |
| fsmithred | oh | 18:05 |
| fsmithred | n/m | 18:05 |
| nemo | s/guest/unregistered/ | 18:05 |
| fsmithred | they must have named that before audio across internet was a thing | 18:05 |
| nemo | heh | 18:05 |
| nemo | text. still the best user interface | 18:06 |
| nemo | heh. just got a followup to that stupid spam from a few weeks ago | 18:06 |
| nemo | "hello, victim" | 18:06 |
| MinceR | you could identify for your nick while specifying the optional nick argument | 18:08 |
| MinceR | then you don't have to change nick first | 18:08 |
| MinceR | or you could try /nickserv regain | 18:08 |
| nemo | MinceR: I actually had no idea freenode supported an optional password argument | 18:18 |
| nemo | good to know | 18:18 |
| MinceR | afaik multiple ircd-s do, but sometimes the order of parameters is different | 18:18 |
| MinceR | not all do, unfortunately | 18:19 |
| nemo | MinceR: hmmm order of params sounds important ☺ | 18:19 |
| nemo | hmmm was it /nick username password or /nick password username I'll just guess | 18:20 |
| nemo | password> did it work? | 18:20 |
| MinceR | /nickserv help identify | 18:20 |
| nemo | MinceR: I know how identify works... | 18:20 |
| MinceR | you may need /quote nickserv help identify or /msg nickserv help identify | 18:20 |
| nemo | MinceR: the trick is I thought I had to do /msg nickserv identify *after* running /nick | 18:21 |
| MinceR | the second parameter is for identify, not for /nick | 18:21 |
| nemo | didn't know I could do both at once | 18:21 |
| nemo | ahhhh | 18:21 |
| MinceR | no, do it before /nick | 18:21 |
| nemo | ok. gotcha | 18:21 |
| nemo | that makes more sense | 18:21 |
| nemo | ah. indeed identify nick pass | 18:21 |
| nemo | so identify first, then renick | 18:21 |
| nemo | that'll help for sure. I rarely disconnect but the recent situation has made it more annoying than before | 18:22 |
| DonkeyHotei | nemo: if you are rejoining as unregistered, then sasl support in your client is broken | 20:26 |
| nemo | DonkeyHotei: heh. when I setup this connection freenode didn't even have registration | 21:04 |
| nemo | DonkeyHotei: I'm sure there's an option for it, it's just not been a huge priority to look into for something which typically only matters once a year | 21:04 |
| nemo | just had the bad luck that there were a couple of outages recently. possibly hurricane related | 21:04 |
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