libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2018-10-25

fsmithrednegev, I was in beowulf earlier today, and top was showing all cores (4 cores, 8 threads) running at around 20% while I was in a video conference in chromium. When I closed the tab with the video, cpu use dropped to around 1%.01:13
gnarfacenegev: xen vps might be your culprit.  virtualization usually relies on hiding guests' processes and memory space but it does a worse job at hiding what gets subtracted from load/capacity.  usually you'd use a top program that is aware of your specific virtualization solution (also usually you'd run it from the host not the guest)01:37
xrogaando you guys have a /etc/machine-id?18:37
xrogaanI don't have that file, but dbus creates /var/lib/dbus/machine-id18:37
xrogaanis /etc/machine-id a systemd stupidity?18:38
KatolaZxrogaan: which distro?18:41
KatolaZo_O18:41
xrogaanthis is in devuan /var/lib/dbus/machine-id19:39
xrogaanbut /etc/machine-id is sometimes asked by random apps, like chromium19:40
xrogaan[7072:7072:1025/162001.326290:ERROR:browser_dm_token_storage_linux.cc(93)] Error: /etc/machine-id contains 32 characters (32 were expected).19:40
xrogaanthere is no /etc/machine-id in devuan19:40
xrogaanapparently it's a systemd thing19:40
xrogaanI don't understand its purpose.19:40
furrywolfits main purpose is to allow DRM-based services to identify you19:43
golinuxDebian Bug Squashing Party (BSP) in Bern, Switzerland Nov. 319:43
golinuxhttp://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13891419:43
golinuxOver 500 bugs to squash19:43
* furrywolf very carefully squashes golinux 19:44
golinuxBe careful of what might squish out!19:47
golinuxI probably should have posted that to #debianfork.  Sorry19:48
furrywolflol19:49
fluffy_pigeonsHi, where Can I check what changes have been made to Devuan ASCII package repositories? I'm trying to build GNU Ring communicator from the source code, but it fails. Weird thing is that versions which I compiled successfully earlier now throws an error. I suspect it's devuan fault, because system reinstalling doesn't help and now every version is broken, so it can't be Ring's bug. Package which may cause compilation error is19:57
fluffy_pigeonslibmsgpack-dev. Also Ring needs at least 1.1v, whereas 1.4.2-4v is installed (make said it could not be found). (Sorry if this message was sent twice, I'm new to IRC)19:57
xrogaanfluffy_pigeons: download the sources (aptitude source PackageName), then check the patches.20:32
xrogaan-dev are header files20:33
xrogaanalso there is a changelog per packages20:33
xrogaanapt-get changelog PackageName20:33
fluffy_pigeonsThe last change of libmsgpack-dev was 2 years ago. I can't build for about a month. Could it be repo mirror issue? What should I do with the source?20:50
Centurion_Danyou need to figure out what causes the build to break...20:53
heavenhello MinceR how are you oding today?20:54
Centurion_Danfluffy_pigeons: perhaps a pastebin of the builds log20:54
fluffy_pigeonshere is the: log https://pastebin.com/WEuJ3ZAB20:59
fluffy_pigeonsI compiled previous versions of GNU Ring on devuan earlier, now I can't, and it probably isn't Ring's fault. libmsgpack-dev is installed21:01
fugitiveHello. Is anyone here using KDE ?21:18
fugitiveApps like dolphin, konqueror are blazingly slow, and  I have decent machine21:19
fugitiveNOt sure how to be more ''verbose'' about it . :-)21:19
system16how can i format a drive ?21:19
system16mkfs ?21:19
system16mkfs /dev/sdb1 ?21:20
system16or is it mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb121:20
fugitivedepends which format you want to use, if ext4 then above is correct21:20
fugitivefor vfat, mkfs.vfat /dev/sd[a-z] or so21:21
Centurion_Danfluffy_pigeons: is that the whole log??21:21
fluffy_pigeonsno, the whole log is very long, this is only the part in which it fails21:22
Centurion_Danis that the first use of msgpack?21:27
Centurion_Danto me it looks more likely your missing having nettle or nettle-dev installed21:28
system16fugitive, ext4 journaling file system = ext4 ?21:29
Centurion_Danfluffy_pigeons: always try to paste the whole log - or at least a reasonable amount of context...21:29
fugitivesystem16: Yes21:31
system16thx21:32
fugitivenp21:33
fluffy_pigeonsnettle is installed too. The full log is about 20000 lines.21:33
system16google says pm-suspense works on systemd...21:40
system16well21:40
system16they are wrong21:40
MinceRpm-suspend works fine without cancerd21:41
system16Oof shots fired21:42
system16btw my server only comes out of suspend when i open its lid21:43
system16can i make it to wake up using a keyboard21:43
system16*external keyboard21:43
Centurion_Dansystem16: server???  open lid??21:45
system16its a netbook21:45
system16repurposed as a SFTP serevr21:45
system16server*21:45
system16and netbooks have screens so...21:45
MinceRon thinkpads, pressing the Fn key wakes from suspend; on some others, pressing the Power button (briefly) does so21:46
system16samsung ?21:46
MinceRclosing and reopening the lid may also work21:46
system16on a external keyboard ?21:46
system16MinceR, its hard21:46
MinceRthat's what she said.21:47
fugitivesomething related to ``acpi'', my lap top wakes on any key, so..offenly my cats turn it on21:47
MinceRi've never tried waking a suspended device from an external keyboard21:47
system16because my server is in a strange place21:47
Centurion_Dansystem16: often you need to set that in the bios... if it has an option like that...21:47
MinceRi tend to disconnect usb before suspending21:47
system16Centurion_Dan, there is21:47
system16i enabled it21:47
MinceRso i can stash the device without further disruptions21:47
system16it is called wake on USB21:47
Centurion_DanWake on keyboard should work for any keyboard...21:47
Centurion_Danyou may be able to change the key combination...21:48
fluffy_pigeonsI have now a full log https://pastebin.com/Vbvu8nve22:14
buZzfluffy_pigeons: that code isnt compilable22:16
buZzalso; /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpthreads22:16
buZzyou may just want to install that if you want to link to it22:16
fluffy_pigeonsSorry, I'm new to IRC. Is green text different form /msg?22:21
buZzwhats 'green text' , i didnt send any colours22:22
fluffy_pigeonsWhen you respond me, I see your first message as green text. Something that says my IRC client, you're responding me, not someone else.22:24
buZzah, probably because i mentioned your name ;)22:25
fluffy_pigeonsOk, so thats why everyone I text through /msg, acts so weird.22:26
buZzfluffy_pigeons: sudo apt install libpthread-stubs0-dev22:26
buZzshould help for that -lphread error22:26
fluffy_pigeonsit is installed already22:27
buZzthen that error doesnt make sense22:28
buZzare you compiling inside some container or something?22:29
fluffy_pigeonsLike a sandbox, vm? no22:29
buZzor docker? virtualenv?22:29
fluffy_pigeonsno22:29
buZzok, then i have no clue22:29
buZzmaybe just reread the documents of the project you're trying to build?22:30
buZzor ask them for assistance22:30
buZzring-project isnt a GNU project btw22:31
buZzits using a GNU written license yeah22:31
fluffy_pigeonsI've asked them earlier. They ask me the same questions: "Have I installed X".22:31
buZzalso, its already inside devuan22:31
buZzring/stable 20161221.2.7bd7d91~dfsg1-1 amd6422:31
buZz  Secure and distributed voice, video and chat platform - desktop client22:31
buZzring-daemon/stable 20161221.2.7bd7d91~dfsg1-1 amd6422:32
buZz  Secure and distributed voice, video and chat platform - daemon22:32
fluffy_pigeonshttps://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Ring it is a GNU package22:32
buZzin ascii-backports there are newer packages22:32
buZzring/stable-backports 20171129.2.cf5bbff~ds1-1~bpo9+2 amd6422:32
buZz  Secure and distributed voice, video and chat platform - desktop client22:32
buZzring-daemon/stable-backports 20171129.2.cf5bbff~ds1-1~bpo9+2 amd6422:32
buZz  Secure and distributed voice, video and chat platform - daemon22:32
fluffy_pigeons2017 11 29 is quite old... Last version was released this month.22:34
system16hi again22:38
system16im ready to format the drive22:38
system16what was the command that showed all drives and partitions22:38
system16i cant remember it22:38
fluffy_pigeonssystem16: probably lsblk22:39
buZzfdisk -l /dev/sda22:39
heavenlsblk22:39
buZzoh, lsblk , fancy22:39
system16Proceed anyway? (y,n)22:40
system16 /dev/sdb is entire device, not just one partition!22:40
system16Proceed anyway? (y,n)22:40
system16umm ?22:40
heavenno?22:41
system16why ?22:41
heavenwhere is this message coming from22:41
system16because there is no other partition22:41
system16this :22:41
buZzsystem16: lsblk doesnt give that msg22:41
system16mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb22:41
buZzyes, you didnt make any partition22:41
system16so ?22:41
heavenyeah dont format the entire disk as ext422:41
buZzif you want to install grub on the same hdd, you wont be able to22:41
heavenyou cant even boot that22:41
heaveni think22:41
system16is it safe to say yes ?22:42
heavenno22:42
system16no i dont want to boot from it22:42
system16i just want to add storage to my sftp server22:42
system16its not a boot drive22:43
system16sda      8:0    0 232.9G  0 disk22:43
system16├─sda1   8:1    0 230.9G  0 part /22:43
system16├─sda2   8:2    0     1K  0 part22:43
system16└─sda5   8:5    0     2G  0 part [SWAP]22:43
system16sdb      8:16   0 931.5G  0 disk22:43
system16sr0     11:0    1    30M  0 rom22:43
system16see ? im running low on storage22:43
system16so i have to partition the external drive ?22:44
buZzyes, that would be wise22:46
system16but why tho22:46
buZzwait, -sftp- ?22:46
system16yes22:46
system16ssh file transfer protocol22:47
buZzoh, nmind i was thinking of tftp22:47
system16ok so how can i partition it ?22:47
buZzcareful, sftp can mean several different things :P22:47
buZzfdisk /dev/sdb22:47
system16keep in mind that i want to apply chmod to this disk22:47
buZzeh :P22:47
system16because devuan has OCD22:47
buZzdevuan isnt doing much different from debian22:48
buZzso not sure what you're talking about :)22:48
system16can i get away with no partitions ?22:48
MinceRthat's sad22:48
buZzsystem16: its very adviced against22:48
system16i mean, what could go wrong22:48
buZzbut sure, linux allows you to shoot your foot in many interesting ways22:49
buZzusing whole disks as fs is one22:49
system16can i make a 936 GB partition ?22:50
system16(the whole drive)22:50
system16 /dev/sdb122:50
buZzyes22:50
system16so i dont shoot my foot22:50
system16fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb: Input/output error22:51
buZz:) are you root?22:51
system16yes22:51
buZzcheck 'dmesg'22:51
buZzmight just be a broken disk22:51
system16critical target error, dev sdb, sector 022:52
system16[17155.585950] Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 022:52
system16holy moly22:52
system16to many to post22:52
system16can i paste it on pastebin22:53
system16[17155.592197] end_request: critical target error, dev sdb, sector 022:55
system16[17155.596455] Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 022:55
buZzyes, disk is near death22:55
system16i can see a bunch of these22:55
buZzor the USB case22:55
buZzor the cable22:55
system16so end of project ?22:56
system16i mean22:56
system16speccy said it was OK22:56
buZzdno, impossible to diagnose remotely22:56
buZzwhats a speccy22:56
system16disk check tool22:56
buZznever heard of22:56
buZzdid you run that on the same hardware?22:57
buZzusing same cable, same psu , same everything?22:57
system16the server is a netbook22:57
buZzsorry to hear that22:57
system16Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7400  @ 2.80GHz (2.80GHz) • Memory: 3.0 GiB Total (1.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.1 TiB / 3.9 TiB (2.8 TiB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT • Uptime: 1w 1d 8h 5m 11s22:57
system16this is my pc22:57
buZzsystem16: wrong distro22:57
system16wha22:58
buZzupgrade that windows 10 poop to devuan22:58
system16i manage the server with this pc22:58
system16rn i want to make this drive work agai :)22:58
system16n22:58
system16again*22:59
buZzalright22:59
buZzwhat did you try?22:59
system16dmesg22:59
system16can i force it to make a partition22:59
system16the -f flag ?22:59
system16let me try to format it on windows23:00
system16maybe that helps23:00
buZzany disk that reports > Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 023:00
buZzwont work23:00
system16umount /dev/sdb23:01
system16mount: can't find /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab23:01
buZzcorrect23:01
system16problems keep pouring lol23:01
buZzits not mounted, it has no filesystem23:01
system16it is NTFS23:01
system16so yea23:01
buZzcheck just 'mount'23:01
buZzis it in there? if not, its not mounted23:01
system16i unplugged it :)23:02
system16i know that this is dead but im gonna give it another shot23:02
system16formatting as exfat...23:04
system16still gives I/O error23:09
system16so i guess its a lost cause23:09
system16thanks anyways23:10
Centurion_Dansystem16: try probing the drive with smartctl... it may provide details of what's wrong23:31

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