| Xenguy | golinux: Are you a librarian? You sure have the skills to be one! | 02:52 |
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| Xenguy | Oh, and thanks the gawds you're here | 02:52 |
| aslan8649 | devuan gpm complains that /dev/input/mice does not exist | 05:36 |
| aslan8649 | does gpm mouse work in devuan? | 05:36 |
| gnarface | i haven't tried it recently | 05:40 |
| gnarface | did you check to see if /dev/input/mice exists? | 05:40 |
| gnarface | by default you probably will need to add yourself to the input group to read from it | 05:42 |
| gnarface | do you find that gpm works for root but not regular users? | 05:42 |
| gnarface | it could be disabled at a kernel level too though i think | 05:43 |
| gnarface | are you running a custom kernel? | 05:43 |
| gnarface | it's just supposed to be an aggregate of all the mice so, you could test by just symlinking it to your mouse probably | 05:44 |
| gnarface | or maybe just configure gpm to read your mouse directly | 05:44 |
| aslan8649 | gnarface, /dev/input/mice did not exist. i created it with mkdod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 | 05:45 |
| aslan8649 | still complains that /etc/init.d/gpm cannot open the device. | 05:45 |
| aslan8649 | this is on a Raspberry Pi 3B+ | 05:46 |
| aslan8649 | the kernel is whatever Devuan provides with ASCII 2.0 | 05:47 |
| Xenguy | IIUC, a workaround is screen (i.e. on the console) for copy/paste | 06:08 |
| aslan8649 | after much digging around in /dev i found the answer. there is no /dev/input/mice the mouse is on /dev/input/event0 | 06:09 |
| man_in_shack | <aslan8649> does gpm mouse work in devuan? << yes | 06:09 |
| man_in_shack | and yeah, /dev/input/mice got deprecated aaaages ago i think | 06:10 |
| man_in_shack | or at least became more optional | 06:10 |
| man_in_shack | evdev is nicer | 06:10 |
| aslan8649 | man_in_shack, the file /etc/gpm.conf installed from Devuan ASCII had the device as /dev/input/mice | 06:11 |
| aslan8649 | Devuan fault not mine. I am just trying to get it working. | 06:12 |
| aslan8649 | that is what i really dislike about Devuan. you always blame the end-user. God Forbid it is Devuan Fault. | 06:13 |
| man_in_shack | (: | 06:16 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 08:09 |
| gnarface | here's the thing though, aslan8649, i have /dev/input/mice here on all my systems, including the raspberry pi. so i don't know why you don't have it, unless the rpi3 image is different... | 08:10 |
| gnarface | it does strongly suggest you did something different | 08:10 |
| gnarface | if the rpi3 image is actually missing /dev/input/mice it probably isn't on purpose, since the others aren't | 08:19 |
| gnarface | anyway it might be important to find out for sure exactly why you don't have it, because whatever reason it is might delete it again at an annoying time... | 08:22 |
| gnarface | or move/rename it | 08:22 |
| m3tti | hi anyone having issues in devuan stable with lxqt and the extract here functionality | 08:59 |
| gour | morning | 11:40 |
| gour | after spending some time with fedora i went back to debian (sid) havingtoo many kernel-related problems (system freezes) with fc28. now, few days go i also migrated from gnome to kde which i haven't used since 0.9.x time :-) | 12:01 |
| gour | now i wonder how does devaan work with kde, in general? | 12:01 |
| gour | *devuan | 12:01 |
| gnarface | feedback seems good from what i've seen in channel | 12:05 |
| man_in_shack | ew fedora | 12:09 |
| gour | man_in_shack: after many years of using rolling releases (spent >5yrs with both gentoo & arch), the fedora's (smooth) upgrades sounded nice, but fc28 was disaster | 12:38 |
| man_in_shack | yah, ubuntu has the same problem | 12:40 |
| man_in_shack | debian be like "we only do releases when stable" | 12:40 |
| man_in_shack | ubuntu be like "we release every 6 months and break everything" | 12:40 |
| gour | well, i'm thinking about sid | 12:41 |
| gour | is the process of installing devuan's unstable same as with sid? | 12:41 |
| gnarface | yes | 12:45 |
| gnarface | but it's called ceres | 12:45 |
| gour | is this "Devuan supports working with just the ext2/3/4 file systems." (https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20180618#devuan ) true= | 14:20 |
| gour | ? | 14:20 |
| man_in_shack | wat | 14:33 |
| man_in_shack | depends how you define "supports" | 14:34 |
| man_in_shack | and "working with" | 14:34 |
| man_in_shack | and "just" | 14:34 |
| gour | well, i expect to be able to use xfs/btrfs..without even thinking about it... | 14:37 |
| man_in_shack | i expect it will work | 14:37 |
| man_in_shack | i mean, i use btrfs on my /home | 14:37 |
| man_in_shack | which is a raid5 | 14:37 |
| gour | ok...just curios what is the meaning of above sentence then | 14:38 |
| man_in_shack | probably bullshit | 14:38 |
| man_in_shack | or possibly the interactive installer only has options for ext* filesystems | 14:38 |
| man_in_shack | cos i remember debian was like that, at least for a while | 14:39 |
| gour | ok | 14:42 |
| furrymcgee | can you paste a link to the source of devuan installer please? | 14:48 |
| gnarface | i think it's on git.devuan.org | 14:53 |
| filipoo | hey yesterday i upgraded ascii to beowulf and i cant get to GUI i only can get tty1-tty6 please help :/ | 15:22 |
| filipoo | is format the only option | 15:27 |
| furrymcgee | can you startx from console? whats in /var/log/Xorg.*.log? | 15:31 |
| gnarface | filipoo: you could continue upgrading to ceres, which might ironically give you better luck | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | is filipoo still here? | 15:40 |
| gnarface | filipoo: (there might be workarounds for beowulf already, i don't know) | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | and for the record, the distrowatch reviewer did not understand how to use the installer in the desktop-live iso. | 15:43 |
| gnarface | also, devuan is not different enough from debian to be able to stop you from using an unsupported filesystem in any new or clever ways | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | some of the polkit stuff for beowulf is not ready. That might be an issue. | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | yeah, the installer isos use the debian installer, so all the same filesystems are supported | 15:48 |
| fsmithred | the live installer will only format ext2/3/4 but you can pre-format and tell the installer not to do it | 15:48 |
| fsmithred | I've done btrfs with it. | 15:48 |
| filipoo | yeah im here | 15:49 |
| filipoo | how to upgrade to ceres?? | 15:49 |
| fsmithred | what desktop and login manager are you using? | 15:49 |
| filipoo | well if i managed to log in to internet in bash i could just upgrade but i dont have internet connection as well | 15:50 |
| fsmithred | filipoo, my last question was for you | 15:50 |
| fsmithred | so is my next one | 15:50 |
| filipoo | uhmm | 15:50 |
| filipoo | yeah i used lightdm | 15:50 |
| gnarface | filipoo: fsmithred might be able to help you get beowulf working | 15:50 |
| filipoo | if i type startx i get error not found folder | 15:51 |
| filipoo | or something | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | did you keep ascii repos in sources.list when you upgraded to beowulf? | 15:51 |
| gnarface | upgrading to ceres would be the same as upgrading from ascii though, fyi | 15:51 |
| filipoo | yeah i kept i only added one beowulf repo in sources.list | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | good | 15:51 |
| filipoo | and i rebooted | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | dpkg -l | grep libpolkit | 15:52 |
| filipoo | and even if i press apt-get autoremove i get errors | 15:52 |
| filipoo | well i live booted antergos now here from usb stick so i cant type that in bash but well i can type the commands in notepad | 15:52 |
| filipoo | and try to write them later | 15:52 |
| filipoo | after i reboot | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | see: http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 | 15:53 |
| filipoo | yeah that post inspired me to upgrade | 15:53 |
| fsmithred | you might need to pin a few packages from ascii | 15:53 |
| filipoo | so dpkg -l | grep libpolkit and what that will create?? | 15:54 |
| fsmithred | nothing | 15:55 |
| fsmithred | it will tell you what packages are installed that have libpolkit in the name | 15:55 |
| filipoo | oh ok | 15:55 |
| filipoo | and whats libpolkit ;/ | 15:55 |
| fsmithred | there should be a 'backend' and 'gobject' that match either consolekit or elogind, whichever you are using | 15:55 |
| fsmithred | libpolkit is part of the policykit rat's nest | 15:56 |
| fsmithred | generally, when that stuff is not right, you still get a gui, but you can't do some things you'd like to do (reboot, shutdown, mount external) | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | to upgrade to ceres, add another line to sources.list and replace beowulf with ceres | 15:58 |
| fsmithred | if you want to be selective about taking packages from ceres, you could pin it to a lower priority. | 15:59 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if that will fix your xorg issue | 15:59 |
| fsmithred | did you look in ~/.xsession-errors? | 16:01 |
| fsmithred | and /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 16:01 |
| filipoo | no i havent | 16:15 |
| filipoo | okay im gonna reboot and type this command and see what happens | 16:15 |
| filipoo | BRB | 16:15 |
| filipoo | ok brb | 16:17 |
| filipoo_ | yeah i typed it and had 5 kits xD | 16:22 |
| fsmithred | did you check to see if you have consolekit or elogind or both? | 16:24 |
| fsmithred | there's a section in the ascii release notes about this | 16:24 |
| fsmithred | see ### Session management and policykit backends https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 16:25 |
| filipoo_ | ok ill check brb | 16:26 |
| filipoo | okay well i have only policyki insstalled | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | you'll probably need ascii versions for those things | 16:31 |
| filipoo | yeah | 16:32 |
| filipoo | well it seems like i cant do anything | 16:32 |
| fsmithred | why not? | 16:33 |
| filipoo | i juist wanna get into gui and i only get bash shell i tried ctrl alt f7 but nothing happens | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | is lightdm running? | 16:33 |
| filipoo | nah i dont think so | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | did you try installing any missing packages? | 16:34 |
| filipoo | and startx doesnt run | 16:34 |
| filipoo | well yeah i tried but it says it cant fetch em or something i havent got internet connection | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | doh! | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | dhclient eth0 | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | if you're on a wired connection | 16:35 |
| filipoo | wireless | 16:35 |
| fsmithred | and you normally use wicd? | 16:35 |
| fsmithred | or is wireless configured in /etc/network/interfaces? | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | startx without a display manager requires either elogind or xserver-xorg-legacy with an edit in Xwrapper.config (see release notes) | 16:45 |
| fsmithred | I have to go | 16:45 |
| fsmithred | bbl | 16:46 |
| * man_in_shack stops x | 16:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody with a clue about CUPS and printers to help me fix this issue: Brother MFC5720. double-sided printing messes up with uneven number of pages to print: it prints [#3 #2] | [#1 <blank>] so #1 is left side of a long-side-binding book which is as incorrect as the blank cover page (usually should be #1) | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MFC-J5720DW | 19:39 |
| Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: check your print queue settings and make sure it's not reverse collating | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: I can't disable reverse as soon as I select doublesided printing. Must be a bug in my printerdriver, on top of that bug with the missing blank padding page to reach an even page number to print | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what a PITA | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I printed a 3p document in 10 permutations of settings now, none being useful | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my last option: load a different printer driver. https://i.imgur.com/4co8HwY.png | 22:16 |
| \0xc0ffee | I kind of expect printer drivers to have bugs, particularly with a "but it works in Windows" culture. | 22:24 |
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