libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2018-11-29

XenguyWhatever happened to browser agnostic web pages?02:15
man_in_shackmicrosoft did02:16
XenguyHey, does anyone else find it warm in here?02:20
XenguyJust seems to be getting hotter and hotter...02:20
XenguyDamn you man_in_shack , you've gone and set me on fire!02:20
Xenguy8 -D02:21
XenguyI saw the announcement about the 1st Devuan Conference today; was pleased to see it.02:21
jonadabman_in_shack: I blame Node02:22
man_in_shacki blame jonadab02:23
jonadabOk, I admit it:  I started using transparent .png images even though I know perfectly well IE6 shows an ugly gray background.02:28
man_in_shackhahahahaha ie602:29
gnarface-> #debianfork with this stuff guys.  our enemies watch this channel and they fucking LOVE IE602:32
gnarface(besides which, the problem started with IE3)02:33
ttkvthe problem started when people decided computers were for graphics02:34
ttkv;-)02:34
scottfurrywould like to confirm... open-rc can be installed via current iso dvd via export mode but not the graphical installer or graphical installer expert mode.07:10
golinuxYes, it is an option in expert mode07:16
golinuxscottfurry: ^^^07:16
scottfurrygolinux thanks. I hadn't tried the expert mode (assumed terminal type if IRC). I had hoped to try the Devuan install with open-rc. Tried both graphical and graphical expert to no avail.07:17
scottfurryWhere to file the "feature request"?07:18
golinuxI don't think there is a graphical expert option07:21
scottfurryI got there from iso main menu; Advanced; graphical. I may be using wrong terms but the process was more involved than plain graphical.07:22
Jjp137scottfurry, in either expert install, at the "Load installer components from CD" step, make sure to select the choose-init component07:24
Jjp137then later you'll be asked which init to install07:25
scottfurryJjp137 - excellent!!!! Good tip. Will try that in a virtualbox install right now.07:25
scottfurrylooks like the openrc option worked. Looks good. Just realized that latest openrc is ver 0.35 IIRC. Install DVD doesn't load latest but its a good start.07:55
scottfurrygolinux Jjp137 THX for help.08:14
Jjp137np08:15
decent-usernameHi, I just found about this project. I would like to participate in the forum at dev1galaxy.org, but whenever I try to register my account, it gets dismissed as spam.09:54
decent-usernameDoes the forum not allow people to register via Tor?09:54
devoid_hello decent-username09:55
devoid_are you a terrorist?09:55
decent-usernameI'm a Gnübermensch.09:56
decent-usernameprobably only a very tiny minority will get this joke.09:56
decent-usernameI don't use the internet without tor.09:56
devoid_https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-02/tor-project-almost-100-funded-us-government-report09:59
devoid_https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/147402/how-do-traffic-correlation-attacks-against-tor-users-work09:59
decent-usernamestill 10x better than running around naked and shouting out your address. haha10:00
devoid_why10:00
decent-usernameBecause I wouldn't want people knocking on my door.10:01
devoid_why10:01
devoid_perhaps stop using this shit then10:01
devoid_all it does is make you a target10:01
decent-usernamedevoid: You seem a bit too pessimistic for me. Some tor user has a target on their back. Even if they were able to somehow figure out my ip address. It would be almost impossible to track it back to me. ^^10:03
decent-usernameI'm getting into GNUnet either way.10:03
decent-usernameI'll ask #d1g-users if the know what's up.10:05
r3bootgnubermensch .. now I've been doing UNIX for over 15 years already, but I really never heard about that term before .. TIL :P10:34
r3boot(also .. proper people use BSD ;P j/k)10:35
DocScrutinizer05a gnubermensch with no patience. IRC-incompatible11:07
DocScrutinizer05could have told tjem that all tor exit nodes are listed on RBL11:08
r3bootnah, he'll figure it out soon enough :P11:13
devoid_i hope he gets hit with a browser 0day from a malicious exit node11:14
man_in_shackr3boot: you haven't heard of it before because you've been doing unix11:28
man_in_shackand gnu is not unix11:28
r3bootOfc, how could I be so stupid :P11:29
man_in_shackeasily, as it turns out11:31
PaulTheNekoExcuse me, will the Jessie minimal install tutorial work with ascii if I replace the name in debootstrap and the repos in sources.list?11:35
man_in_shackin theory yes11:36
PaulTheNekoThanks11:37
gnarfaceyou might want to change the hostname in the sources.list to deb.devuan.org too, if it's an old tutorial11:46
gnarfacepkgmaster will give you about 11kbps to America and auto.mirror is just a deprecated record pointing to a bunch of broken mirrors.  you might successfully complete an install or you might not, depending on package choice11:47
jordilawhen i add something like 'iwconfig wlan0 txpower 1mW' to my /etc/rc.local and it doesn't run at startup , i might be missing some basics ... which one am i ?11:49
gnarfacethe path, probably11:50
gnarfaceyou checked to make sure the script itself gets called, right?11:52
gnarfaceit should have come along with the "initscripts" package, which should be normal to have but i think it's possible to get an install without it.11:52
gnarface(you can't just create an /etc/rc.local and expect it to work without the /etc/init.d/rc.local script to call it)11:53
gnarfaceit'll be called with root permission but $PATH won't be defined11:54
gnarfaceso this should work: /sbin/ifconfig11:55
gnarfacebut this would not: ifconfig11:55
gnarfacefollow me?11:55
jordilai follow you gnarface11:57
gnarfaceok, just making sure11:58
* jordila would rather than plain 'iwconfig wlan0 txpower 1mW' try '/sbin/iwconfig wlan0 txpower 1mW' 11:59
r3bootAnother option would be to add /sbin to the PATH inside of rc.local12:00
jordilaah12:00
gnarfaceyea, it's just a bash script, jordila.  nothing is stopping you from defining PATH yourself12:01
gnarfacebut then you have TWO lines of code12:01
gnarfaceit's debatable whether that's materially simpler in this case if that's the only thing in there12:01
r3bootit's a completely useless debate as well ;)12:01
gnarfaceyes, but past a few lines, it could save some typing12:02
r3bootcare. Having a properly configured UNIX box is much more interesting then being able to save a bunch of characters being typed :P12:03
gnarfaceoh i agree12:03
gnarfacein the end, when you're maintaining it yourself, all that matters is what you're comfortable with12:03
r3bootSure :)12:04
r3bootUgh .. I'm typing python for sysadmin scripts instead of shell, and it's been quite a long time since I've typed python .. Am a bit rusty, and I'm applying way too much shellscripting conventions to this script :P12:05
* jordila is wondering wether closing (to say so) 'exit 0' has to mandatory end it's /etc/rc.local file or not 12:16
gnarfaceno, of course not.  throw a non-zero (positive integer) value when you want to error.12:17
gnarfacemost things will interpret 0 as a success and anything else as failure12:19
gnarfaceoh, i may be wrong... it may be just values of 0-255 that are considered valid12:23
jordilamay i just replace 'exit 0' by 'my command' ^^ ?12:26
gnarfacei would think the only consequence is an error in your log but i don't know for sure...12:28
gnarfaceyou might want to ready a live usb image first, just in case something goes wrong12:29
gnarfaceso you can fix it easy12:29
* jordila https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/247378/do-i-need-exit-0-at-the-end-of-rc-local 12:30
gnarfaceyea the general consensus should be that it's fine and you'll just get a error12:31
gnarfacebut it's the last thing in boot12:31
gnarfacelike, the very last thing12:31
ca-on-adamI'm going to try out ascii netinstall on a VPS, I'll report back if there are problems.12:42
ca-on-adamAh, this company doesn't support ISO images... hmm that makes the availability of virtual machine images of Devuan very handy!12:52
barnseyhi all, having trouble getting the ascii raspi2 image to run. Does anyone else have this working?13:12
gnarfacei only have the the rpi113:18
gnarfacedid you create the config file?13:19
gnarfacewith my rpi 1, i need to create a config file13:19
gnarfacesame as raspbian more or less13:19
barnseyno I just DDd the image and run it, I've not needed to make a config this on Raspian or jessie.13:30
gnarfacebarnsey: maybe the raspbian install came with a default working config?  check for it13:36
gnarfacebarnsey: i'm not sure if the devuan image actually has a populated one, but you might need to change stuff in it anyway...13:37
barnseygnarface: devuan_jessie raspi2 image works fine out of the box, I'm not sure what config would stop it from booting the kernel.13:42
gnarfacebarnsey: /boot/config.txt i think it is.  compare them13:45
gnarfacebarnsey: differences may also interfere with you being able to see the screen without interfering with boot up13:47
barnseygnarface: thanks, i'll check that out.13:48
PaulTheNekoDoes anyone know how can I install Devuan on an lvm volume?14:06
gnarfacePaulTheNeko: did you try expert mode, manual partitioning?14:10
PaulTheNekoI can't figure out how do I get expert more, I'm using the live CD ISO, could that be the problem?14:11
PaulTheNekomode*14:11
gnarfaceoh, yea the live cd has limited installation options14:12
gnarfaceyou want the netinstall probably14:12
PaulTheNekoTruth is, the last time I tried to boot netinstall, that failed. But I found a forum post here with the same question and they're talking about installing the Debian/Devuan installe14:14
PaulTheNekoI guess I'll try the netinstall again14:18
PaulTheNekoI can't boot the net installer iso, it says that /grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found15:01
PaulTheNekoI put it on a pendrive with dd (bs=100M) if that matters15:02
gnarfaceit might matter honestly15:08
gnarfacethis could be just an issue of the wrong netinstall image too, i think15:10
gnarfaceor it could be a efi/secureboot issue maybe?15:10
James1138Can anyone tell me more about "16:52
James1138Devuan Conference in Amsterdam16:52
KatolaZJames1138: what do you want to know?17:08
James1138There article on TuxMachines said something about participating or sending in comments/suggestions.  What we they looking for in general17:22
KatolaZJames1138: which article?17:28
KatolaZhttp://tuxmachines.org/node/117948 <- ?17:29
James1138http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/11794817:29
James1138https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20181128.044131.5a359f44.en.html17:30
KatolaZyep17:30
KatolaZif you want to offer sponsorship or propose a talk, use the email address provided in the email17:32
James1138Thanks.  I did not know if they were asking for input from Devuan users in general.17:47
KatolaZJames1138: what do you mean?17:55
KatolaZthe actual program will be published in a few weeks time17:56
James1138Ahh... ok. I shall just wait.17:56
KatolaZJames1138: if you have any comment about the conference in general , use the address reported in the email17:57

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