libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2018-12-22

relo3Hi01:04
relo3Could somebody help me out to make keyboard accents work? I use 2 language layouts, english and portuguese. On the later, the accent keys do not concatenate to the letter (I guess this is called dead keys), but inserts it instantly as a symbol.01:06
relo3Instead of "é", I get "´e"01:06
saptechgreetings all01:17
relo3Hello01:18
saptechrunning openbox wm, I installed gkrellm and in the configuration screen I chose "allow multiple instances". Shouldn't it show gkrellm on all virtual desktops?01:18
saptechMine is showing only on the first desktop01:18
saptechany ideas why it's not?01:19
saptechnevermind, I had to checkbox the Sticky option01:21
DocScrutinizer05HOHOHOOO01:51
gallifreyI'm trying to install Devuan for the first time. It first asks whether to use su or sudo, then asks for a passwor dthat I don06:29
gallifrey't know. Can anyopne assist?06:29
gallifreyOK so I found it. toor You guys have the WORST install script I've ever seen, and that's saying something.06:47
refpgaHello, there was a bug in Debian Stretch(https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=884116) which I was experiencing in kernel version 4.9.0-8. The bug report says that this was fixed in versions linux/4.14.7-1~bpo9+1 & linux/4.9.80-1. Does that hold true for Devuan ASCII too? (I'm experiencing similar symptoms on freezes)06:50
refpgaIf so, is it safe to pull linux-image-* packages from Ceres repo yet?06:52
lysoft2y devuan no has systemd?11:45
amarsh04lysoft2 systemd prevented me from being able to do kexec reboots, it strikes me as throwing away many if not most or all good software design principles12:01
lysoft2yeah, i mean i'm not *against* systemd but then, i don't really need it, as I can do everything i do without it12:38
decent-usernamehello everyone. I would love to join the Dev1 Galaxy forum, but you make it pretty hard for me to do so. "Unfortunately it looks like your request is spam." is not really helping. That's why I'm here in the hope that someone could help me resolve this issue.15:23
debdogdecent-username: mayhap this helps: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=63815:48
decent-usernamedebdog:I says I should ping one of the three admins over at #d1g-users, but none of the mentioned users is online. I would love to just be able to send someone an email or something with my email address and username. I'm already compromising a ton, by not using tor to register.15:54
debdogI was actually looking for an email when I found this16:03
debdogfound no email yet16:03
decent-username> . <16:03
debdogwait, I might have an email of one of the admins...16:04
decent-usernamespam is a very hard problem to tackle if you want to be an open forum. I know.16:05
debdogsee PM16:06
foresterHi. I have 2 version of python and one program. It work with one version and does not with another. How to set python version for using with this application?17:23
ErRandir_Usually there are links in /usr/bin to the different python versions. Put the path to the one you need after #! as the 1st line of your python program17:31
foresterErRandir_: Thank you.18:00
HundWhere do I find the documentation for the minimal installation?19:48
HundNevermind, the installer is apparently on a separate ISO.19:53
rwpHund, For a minimum install I have become a fan of using a live boot and then manually using debootstrap to install the small system. Just as a suggestion.20:29
Hundrwp: Okey. :)20:35
rwpSoftware is so flexible.  There is no right answer.  It can be shaped and molded as you desire.20:37
aggrorarwp: wow, I have never heard anyone put 'software' in such a sentence. But I do agree with you!20:38
rwpThat's how we get the difference between software and hardware and that much less flexible firmware that is on the scale between them. :-)20:40
fsmithredhi22:31
debdogwb22:31
fsmithredthanks. I was checking the time in comparison to a log.22:31
fsmithredtwo hours ago, Hund said something about the installer being on a separate iso, and I'm not sure what he meant.22:32
fsmithredall the isos come with an installer22:33
debdogprolly mixed up minimal install image with minimal installation22:33
fsmithredyeah, that sounds likely22:34
Hundfsmithred: I mistankenly downloaded the "minimal live".22:45
fsmithredah22:46
fsmithredit does have an installer22:46
fsmithredas root, run 'refractainstaller'22:46
HundThat's a command I couldn't have figured out myself.22:46
fsmithrednope22:46
HundThe docs should mention it.22:46
fsmithredgood point22:47
Hund:)22:47
fsmithredI think the readme.txt probably does mention it22:47
fsmithredif you want lvm or raid, that installer won't do it.22:48
HundI'm a simple user. :)22:48
golinuxHund: Check out pending changes to the index page of the website: https://beta.devuan.org/22:48
fsmithredbut it will let you do it manually and then copy the system to your chosen partitions22:48
golinuxIt will now describes the isos a bit22:48
Hundgolinux: Nice! :)22:48
fsmithredyeah, the minimal live is very minimal.22:49
golinuxAnd it mentions the refractainstaller22:49
HundI noticed. :)22:49
KatolaZHund: I guess the readme mentions refractainstaller...22:49
fsmithredsmaller than a minimal install from the regular installer isos22:49
golinuxBoots to console22:49
KatolaZhttps://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/minimal-live/README.txt <- Hund22:50
KatolaZ4) Installing on a hard drive22:50
HundKatolaZ: That's good. But what good does it do if I can't find the readme? :P22:50
fsmithredum, it's right next to the iso22:50
golinuxLook harder22:50
KatolaZHund:  the readme is also in the /root directlry22:50
KatolaZdirectory22:51
HundI didn't think to check there.22:51
HundI looked at the website.22:51
golinuxDevuan requires "thinking".  LOL!22:51
KatolaZHund: /root/README_ASCII22:51
KatolaZHund: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/minimal-live/README.txt22:52
KatolaZit's the same file22:52
Hundgolinux: I'm not sure if you mean that in a serious or a sarcastic way? :)22:53
KatolaZHund: if you are familiar with debian-installer, you might want to use netinst or the DVD instead22:54
golinuxA bit of both . . .22:54
KatolaZfsmithred: actually the minimal-live is quite bloated :P22:55
HundIn what way does it require thinking?22:55
KatolaZfsmithred: has more packages than a base install22:55
KatolaZabout 60022:55
KatolaZa base install stands around 200 package22:55
KatolaZ~packages22:55
KatolaZHund: I think golinux had in mind "thinking about reading the readme.txt" :)22:56
HundKatolaZ: I'm not new to reading the docs, but reading a readme.txt next to the ISO is news for me. :P22:59
HundI'm used to reading a wiki.22:59
golinuxHund: A treasure hunt requires thinking of where to find it.22:59
KatolaZHund: it's IN the ISO, actually...22:59
KatolaZ(as well)22:59
HundWho looks there? :P22:59
fsmithredI was thinking about how you trimmed down the initrd22:59
fsmithredoh right, it has console productivity, doesn't it?23:00
golinuxAnd tools for visual disability23:01
KatolaZyeah it does23:01
KatolaZI am thinking of including debian-installer in minimal-iso BTW23:02
fsmithredwhy do people keep saying that non-free firmware won't install? I found it difficult to prevent it from being installed.23:06
golinuxMaybe they mean, "Won't install automatically."23:08
fsmithredit does imstall automatically23:08
fsmithredunless you do exactly the right things - expert and choose a mirror23:09
golinuxNew hardware?23:09
fsmithreddunno23:09
golinuxNo video either (which is fine by me)23:10
* golinux goes to check on the granola23:10

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