_abc_ | Is there some kiosk mode for devuan installed on hdd, so the running system runs mostly mounted ro and only var etc are mounted rw? I have a machine which is not on an UPS and gets hard shutdowns all the time because inept people operate it, I need to make it not trash the disks if possible, in the usual way. So is there a canned "one click" or command setup for devuan to do this out of the box or do I do | 10:22 |
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_abc_ | it manually the usual way? Thanks. | 10:22 |
furrymcgee | what happens with read only mounted disk? did you try mount option ro in fstab? | 10:43 |
gnarface | _abc_: man fstab, there should be mount options for forcing partitions to mount read-only | 11:07 |
gnarface | _abc_: (most or maybe all block devices have a write-protect flag you can set with hdparm too, but try it with fstab first) | 11:12 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: what do you mean by "a canned one-click"? | 11:19 |
KatolaZ | if you want to do that, you need to have a separate partition for /var and some more stuff | 11:19 |
KatolaZ | there is no way of doing that in "one-click" | 11:19 |
_abc_ | KatolaZ: refracta-install --kiosk-mode etc | 12:05 |
_abc_ | (just making this up as I am going on) | 12:05 |
_abc_ | Mounting /home and /var on separate volumes is a good start but that is the manual way to do it. | 12:05 |
_abc_ | I will do that eventually since this keeps happening and I can't fix the system forever. | 12:05 |
moiree | debian/stretch has a security update for vlc with version 3.0.6-0+deb9u1, devuan/ascii still has version 3.0.3-1-0+deb9u1 only? | 12:09 |
KatolaZ | moiree: have you got ascii-updates enabled? | 12:28 |
KatolaZ | moiree: actually, the version you are referring to is in ascii-security | 12:28 |
KatolaZ | moiree: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=vlc&release=ascii | 12:29 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: there is no kiosk-mode install that I am aware of | 12:29 |
moiree | KatolaZ: Yes. And under the url you sent, there's also 3.0.3-1-0+debu91 mentioned only. | 12:32 |
KatolaZ | nope moiree | 12:35 |
KatolaZ | look for lines beginning with [ascii-security] | 12:35 |
KatolaZ | ops | 12:36 |
KatolaZ | you mentioned 3.0.6-1...etc | 12:36 |
KatolaZ | sorry | 12:36 |
moiree | KatolaZ: Heh, good morning! | 12:36 |
KatolaZ | moiree: o_O | 12:37 |
KatolaZ | so much for trying to help | 12:37 |
KatolaZ | thanks a lot | 12:37 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 12:37 |
KatolaZ | anyway, have a look at https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/vlc | 12:38 |
KatolaZ | the source package was uploaded during the night | 12:39 |
KatolaZ | it should be available in devuan by today, I guess | 12:39 |
moiree | KatolaZ: Thank you. I am waiting for it since yesterday afternoon, just wondering why it takes so much time. | 12:40 |
KatolaZ | moiree: it looks like the package is embargoed | 13:33 |
KatolaZ | it will be probably released together with the SA | 13:33 |
_abc_ | embargoed? | 13:34 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: yes | 13:34 |
KatolaZ | it happens for packages which solve CVEs under embargo | 13:34 |
_abc_ | I don't know how to read the page you linked, also, what does your last sentence mean. | 13:35 |
_abc_ | embargo means presumably not released into repo for devuan installable packages, right? | 13:35 |
KatolaZ | embargoed packages are normally included in the repos when the corresponding DSA is relesed | 13:36 |
_abc_ | Please stop using acronyms, DSA means what? | 13:36 |
KatolaZ | Debian Security Advisory | 13:37 |
_abc_ | related to the red E here? https://lintian.debian.org/maintainer/debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org.html#vlc | 13:37 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: I don't think so | 13:40 |
moiree | It is in debian/stretch since yesterday 12h35 GMT but still missing from devuan. | 13:44 |
* moiree patiently waits. | 13:44 | |
moiree | Here's the DSA fyi <https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20190112123554.vjdbkqeuig433skb@seger.debian.org> ;) | 13:49 |
enyc | Hrrm, ?whatis the state of ascii+1 these days, anyway? | 14:58 |
KatolaZ | enyc: you can install it using the unstable installer already | 15:21 |
KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso | 15:22 |
KatolaZ | there is still an issue with polkit-1, which can be temporarily overcome by pinning the versions from ascii or from experimental | 15:22 |
_abc_ | What does poklit actually do? | 15:23 |
KatolaZ | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2584 <- enyc | 15:23 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: supports session management | 15:23 |
_abc_ | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/polkit.8.html what a load of bull | 15:24 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: you don't have to use it, if you don't need automagic things to happen | 15:24 |
_abc_ | What kind of automagic? | 15:24 |
KatolaZ | usb device automounting for instance | 15:25 |
KatolaZ | pwoer-down, reboot, suspend from your desktop (with one click) | 15:25 |
KatolaZ | etcetera | 15:25 |
_abc_ | I know how to use an automounter. Script it. | 15:25 |
KatolaZ | I have no policykit | 15:25 |
_abc_ | I know how to suspend reboot writing text into a proc file | 15:25 |
KatolaZ | never used used it | 15:25 |
_abc_ | Au automounting usb drives means when you click on the drive icon in tunar? I hope not? | 15:26 |
KatolaZ | I guess so | 15:26 |
KatolaZ | but have never used thunar, so I don't know | 15:27 |
_abc_ | These millenial emo pussies are redefining dictionary words with abandon. "Authentication Agent" ? "Subject" ? Can't one say credential verifyer/provider and client? Do they get scrabble points for making these new words up? | 15:27 |
_abc_ | Kerberos etc have the terminology down since 1990 and a little. What the hell. Who are these people ruinining what works. | 15:28 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: in this particular case I guess they are not ruining anything | 15:28 |
* _abc_ has a long long list of things to do entirely made up of making things which worked less than 1-4 years ago work again, on linux. | 15:28 | |
KatolaZ | the problem is that most of the DEs have moved to use dbus | 15:29 |
KatolaZ | and similar amenities | 15:29 |
_abc_ | dbus is another emo pussy thing with New Names for Old Things | 15:29 |
_abc_ | Even buses are not exactly new. https://web.mit.edu/Kerberos/ you know this? | 15:29 |
KatolaZ | I can't recall anything similar to dbus in Linux before (and i don't use dbus at all) | 15:29 |
_abc_ | What's a DE? Development Environment? | 15:29 |
KatolaZ | Desktop Environment | 15:30 |
_abc_ | KatolaZ: the old way to do things was a kernel character device in proc which spat out one line sentences upon device detect etc. Called hotplug script in userland | 15:30 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: I know, and that's not what dbus is, I am afraid | 15:30 |
_abc_ | The other way to do this was a character mode fifo operating likewise. I wrote bash daemons in 50loc which did this, still work. No C++ nothing. mkfifo and rip away with nohup & | 15:31 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 15:31 |
_abc_ | That's exactly what pussy cunt dbus is. Reimplementing "more efficiently" things which worked before. Ego trip, 5 minutes of fame, etc. | 15:31 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: I did not implement dbus mate | 15:31 |
_abc_ | In C++ no less which is the worst way to do this, given the kernel side always is and was C not C++. | 15:31 |
_abc_ | I'm just telling you how it works. | 15:31 |
_abc_ | Cool coders turning out bugs like there's no tomorrow. | 15:32 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 15:32 |
_abc_ | dbus is simply a multiplexed event bus, with "open architecture" and "extendable" which is exactly what a text based fifo piped protocol is too. | 15:32 |
_abc_ | But that was already there and working so they had to fuck with it. | 15:33 |
_abc_ | Next the'll reimplement the internet and tcp/ip in dbus because it's "more efficient". After all, tcp/ip mostly passes text between hosts with some guarantees of delivery and graceful failure. | 15:33 |
KatolaZ | ok _abc_ , you are in rant mode and I have no time for that, sorry :) | 15:34 |
ErRandir | you can run devuan without dbus. I don't run dbus | 15:34 |
_abc_ | Were you here when I reported the laptop which ceased going to hibernation when the lid closes? | 15:34 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: o_O | 15:34 |
watchcat | poetteringization... | 15:34 |
KatolaZ | I guess I wrote you to have a look at the corresponding event script in /etc/acpi/events | 15:35 |
_abc_ | After an update. I have to probably revert to the previous version of whatever I updated and it was a long list. | 15:35 |
KatolaZ | perhaps you lost it | 15:35 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: I am not an expert of desktopy things at all | 15:35 |
KatolaZ | I have my lidbtn script | 15:35 |
_abc_ | The scripts work, I wrote a crutch which simply listens to the event and echoes 3 into the relevant procfs to hibernate the device before it sucks the battery dry | 15:35 |
KatolaZ | I press Fn+F4 and the laptop goes to sleep | 15:36 |
_abc_ | 3 = mem | 15:36 |
KatolaZ | I have never used any desktop madness _abc_ | 15:36 |
KatolaZ | so you are shooting the wrong bird here | 15:36 |
izh_ | /stats p | 15:40 |
_abc_ | KatolaZ: what are you using? text mode only? | 15:42 |
* _abc_ is on xfce4 default on ascii and all the above are relevant to that | 15:42 | |
KatolaZ | _abc_: xfce is a desktop environment | 15:43 |
KatolaZ | I told you already that I don't use a desktop environment | 15:43 |
KatolaZ | I am using xmonad, since you are asking | 15:44 |
KatolaZ | I don't think that's relevant, though | 15:44 |
_abc_ | It's relevant to the point of what the X11 apps you use use to talk to the system | 15:45 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 15:45 |
KatolaZ | bbl | 15:46 |
_abc_ | reading the nightmare at https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/polkit.8.html -- wait, polkit includes a complete interpreter for the polkit LANGUAGE? REALLY? And this is simpler than using bash or perl or whatever? My eyes BULGE OUT seeing the polkit is proudly written by a colleague of POETTRING's at RED HAT. | 16:04 |
_abc_ | As a safety measure, I'll write a script to scour all package descirptions for case insensitive "red hat" and "@redhat" and flag them in a list for myself. | 16:04 |
nailyk | funny: https://github.com/vente-privee/docker-devuan | 16:31 |
_abc_ | Yay the mongoloids maintain a list of their "achievements". Makes my job easyer. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_contributions | 16:40 |
_abc_ | @Desktop Software: we see there a list of most of our nightmares? I do. | 16:42 |
_abc_ | evince works. ok, one dowm. | 16:43 |
_abc_ | ogg theora works. Nice. 2 held, all the others must go / be flagged risk. | 16:43 |
_abc_ | "rsyslog - co-maintained, significant influence" -- is the sygnificant influece a potshot at systemd-logd ? | 16:45 |
* _abc_ is too disgusted to go on now | 16:57 | |
yummykittyranche | does anyone have advice on installing buster without apparmor? | 22:41 |
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