| va7lnx | oh boy. Armv6... I can't even get raspberry pi utilities now. | 01:02 |
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| g4570n | Hi, does anyone know if the policykit-1 package will be updated in Jessie? Debian has version 0.105-15~deb8u4 https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-19788 | 02:23 |
| gnarface | g4570n: if you have a different version from anything in debian, that's not in the banned packages list, your sources.list is probably wrong | 02:24 |
| furrywolf | do your uids go over INT_MAX? | 02:24 |
| gnarface | g4570n: oh wait, scratch that for policykit-1, it might not be true for that package, because it might have had to be patched for devuan... | 02:25 |
| g4570n | gnarface: this https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/jessie/jessie-security/policykit-1_0.105-15~deb8u3+devuanSEC1.html | 02:25 |
| furrywolf | and do you use systemctl? | 02:25 |
| fsmithred | 0.105-15~deb8u3+devuanSEC1 is in jessie-security | 02:25 |
| fsmithred | my last update was a couple days ago | 02:26 |
| gnarface | does ~deb8u3+devuanSEC1 correspond to ~deb8u4? | 02:26 |
| fsmithred | no | 02:26 |
| furrywolf | for that matter, do you even have systemctl? I'd hope not. :) | 02:27 |
| g4570n | furrywolf: I'm a normal user, you say I will not have problems with that vulnerability? | 02:27 |
| furrywolf | correct. | 02:27 |
| g4570n | 👍 | 02:28 |
| g4570n | thanks | 02:28 |
| furrywolf | it would require a very unusual setup (really big user IDs, like if you had more than thirty thousand users on your system) to allow people excessive access to systemctl... which I'm pretty sure devuan does not have in the first place. | 02:29 |
| fsmithred | it doesn't, but I just got a scare running 'locate systemctl' and a long list scrolled by | 02:30 |
| furrywolf | whoops they mean the 32-bit int_max, so you'd have to manually create a user with a stupidly huge number for a user id. | 02:30 |
| fsmithred | all in the source code that I downloaded | 02:30 |
| furrywolf | I suspect that bug affects close to zero systems. | 02:30 |
| furrywolf | since devuan doesn't have systemctl, and you haven't pathlogically set up your user ids, you are doubly not vulnerable to it. | 02:31 |
| g4570n | the user number start in en 1000, true? | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | yes | 02:48 |
| va7lnx | oh, this is interesting. the pi I have is an armhf | 04:31 |
| va7lnx | even though it says Armv6 | 04:32 |
| DonkeyHotei | there are many chips that can run either | 04:34 |
| DonkeyHotei | iirc only the very first pi could not do hf | 04:35 |
| va7lnx | yeah. this one is a rev 2 | 04:37 |
| DonkeyHotei | and i am probably not remembering correctly | 04:38 |
| va7lnx | the CPU is architecture 7 and revision 7 | 04:39 |
| va7lnx | but the model says ARMv6-compatible | 04:39 |
| va7lnx | i wonder if there's any spybits in these ARMs | 04:39 |
| DonkeyHotei | arm is not exactly open hardware, but at this point, intel is far less open | 04:40 |
| DonkeyHotei | the broadcom gpu firmware is an atrocity, though | 04:41 |
| gnarface | the first pi was an armv6 with hf capability, but critically, *debian* wouldn't support hf for v6, only v7 and later | 04:42 |
| DonkeyHotei | ah yes, that was it | 04:42 |
| gnarface | so that's why raspbian existed | 04:42 |
| gnarface | i guess hf didn't become a common thing until v7 or something like that | 04:43 |
| gnarface | so v6 was already a generation old when the first RPI was released | 04:43 |
| gnarface | debian wouldn't build a kernel for it, or include the proprietary firmware that required by the RPI, but that might not actually be a limitation of the devuan rpi image... | 04:44 |
| gnarface | eh, maybe it is though, i forget actually | 04:45 |
| gnarface | is there an easy way to check? | 04:45 |
| gnarface | oh, no, it doesn't support armhf, it's armel | 04:47 |
| gnarface | just checked | 04:47 |
| DonkeyHotei | https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware | 04:49 |
| va7lnx | well, I think I'm just going stick with raspbian lite on this pi and continue to use Devuan on my laptop | 05:02 |
| va7lnx | I'll have to get a new pi later. when I can afford one. | 05:04 |
| va7lnx | stupid student life | 05:04 |
| va7lnx | I can't believe I traded a 20+ year career for this | 05:05 |
| gnarface | va7lnx: but the v7 rpi should work fine with regular armhf debian ... shouldn't be a problem | 05:05 |
| gnarface | or so i thought, anyway | 05:05 |
| va7lnx | gnarface: the other option is a different platform. | 05:05 |
| va7lnx | It'd be nice if there were some truly open CPUs to work with. | 05:09 |
| gnarface | some day... | 05:09 |
| va7lnx | it'll happen eventually | 05:10 |
| va7lnx | grrr... I really hate using Blackboard to do my homework. I sit here with a window open and then have to do everything on paper to answer the questions. | 06:19 |
| djph | as opposed to ... sitting there with two sheets of paper? | 11:52 |
| enyc | anybody know if any of the linux/x11/gui filebrowsers can do display of picture-date-taken jpeg-metadata, like windows-explorer extra-columns does? | 12:51 |
| Acacia | I don't know any, but you can open the picture with mediainfo | 12:58 |
| roo^y | hi, i tried installing the live-desktop ISO to a USB stick with dd. i tried to boot with my mele pcg35 opo computer, but all i got from those partitions was a black screen. (sdb1 997M total/used, 0M free & sdb2 FAT32 1.4M total, 1M used) | 14:32 |
| roo^y | GParted only sees sdb2 at the start of the drive, with flag 'esp'. the remaining 7.45GB is unallocated, with no flags set | 14:34 |
| KatolaZ | roo^y: which command did you use to burn the image on the flash drive? | 14:48 |
| roo^y | dd if=/devian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M (that .iso was an example, was a longer if=/mnt/sdc/etc) once complete, i typed 'sync' & hit enter ..which doesn't do much imho | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | roo^y, do you get a boot menu? | 14:57 |
| roo^y | i do not. pretty much black screen. one "flat curser '_' near bottom right | 14:57 |
| fsmithred | check sha256sum on the iso to make sure it was a good download | 14:58 |
| roo^y | s/"flat curser/"flat curser"/ | 14:58 |
| fsmithred | cursor, unless you were swearing | 14:59 |
| roo^y | i never do that, but good point :D best i rule that out. then if not corrupt, i can try a image writing tool | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | bottom right seems like an odd place for it | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | dd should work | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | gparted gives weird results for isohybrids | 15:00 |
| roo^y | i see | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | ignore it | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | you using uefi or legacy bios? | 15:00 |
| roo^y | uefi | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | ok, either should work. uefi gives you a grub menu, bios gives isolinux | 15:01 |
| roo^y | ok. i've been booting a experimental OS (easy pyro *it's like puppylinux*) for a little while on this fanless PC. it crashes a lot. i've ordered a SSD, which i may install devuan on. giving the live version a go 1st | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | what cpu on that thing? | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | nm, found it: Celeron J3455 | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | I can tell you that the live isos work on a J1900 | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | what kernel does pyro have? | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | I can also tell you that whatever was current when the J1900 was new did not work, but xubuntu did. (14.04) | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | (current in debian, I mean) | 15:10 |
| roo^y | kernel 4.14.91 (86_x64) | 15:13 |
| roo^y | i got it in 2017. haven't really been using it until a few wks ago | 15:15 |
| fsmithred | might need a newer kernel than ascii has | 15:17 |
| roo^y | i see | 15:17 |
| fsmithred | checksum ok on the iso? | 15:18 |
| roo^y | :D i found a gHasher program in pyro, i'll see if i can use it | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | ? | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | run: sha256sum devuan_whatever.iso | 15:20 |
| roo^y | thanks for cmd. i've been avoiding all forms of check sums, as i never have a prob. at a glance, they look identical. i might spam with both :P | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | no spamming or you get auto-bounced | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | here's a test iso I made with ascii-backports kernel (4.18 I think): https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta-test-oblx-bpo-20180913_1952.iso | 15:35 |
| roo^y | 76584ce7183993306af8b00edc8ffce3a1dc69b10f0a97e0a6302d49b0a63858 76584ce7183993306af8b00edc8ffce3a1dc69b10f0a97e0a6302d49b0a63858 well that rules that out. maybe a kernel issue | 15:35 |
| roo^y | thanks | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that looks right (quick glance) | 15:36 |
| roo^y | refracts was exactly the same. could only get a black screen with a '_' | 16:06 |
| roo^y | refracta | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | no boot menu again? | 16:09 |
| roo^y | there wasn't | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | how do you know you're booting from the usb? | 16:10 |
| roo^y | I smack away at the F7 key, for boot options. I pick either partition offered on the I installed usb | 16:12 |
| fsmithred | oh, can you pick the whole device instead? | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | it might not be finding the bootloader | 16:13 |
| roo^y | sort of. one is the device, other option is partition | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | try the device. | 16:15 |
| roo^y | I would've. 2 partitions was a bad description | 16:16 |
| fsmithred | another thing to try would be to set the bios to legacy boot if possible | 16:17 |
| roo^y | maybe can't do that on this one (maybe I shouldn't have ordered a 2nd one also) XD | 16:19 |
| fsmithred | roo^y, do you know your way around grub command line? | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | use the installed grub, press c for command line | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | set root=(hd1) | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | chainloader +1 | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | boot | 16:30 |
| roo^y | ok, mod grub of usb with easy pyro to get usb of devuan to boot. 2.30am down in Australia. almost in bed | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | oh! yeah, sleep is important. You can try booting later. | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure if what I posted is right. I tried it with a usb that was made differently. About to test with isohybrid in a minute or two. | 16:35 |
| roo^y | cool. thanks again for help | 16:36 |
| humma | What package contains loadkeys? | 16:36 |
| humma | I get -bash: loadkeys: command not found | 16:37 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that works with isohybrid usb | 16:37 |
| fsmithred | humma, looks like it's in kbd | 16:38 |
| fsmithred | it's /usr/bin/loadkeys | 16:38 |
| humma | thanks, fsmithred | 16:39 |
| roo^y | I should test to see if it boots from my external usb2 cd/dvd drive | 16:42 |
| Bjornn | I've got to go offline to work on an old installation of devuan v1. the ethernet connection is not working so I can't update. Can someone offer some tips on what to look at to debug? I can't get online to search while on running it. | 17:21 |
| humma | dhclient for lease, route for well.. routing, and getent hosts for dns lookup, would be my 2 cents. | 17:24 |
| humma | Apparently 2.0 has codename ascii, and I'm curious if someone has some ascii art to brand my sshd with? | 17:28 |
| Bjornn | thanks. appreciated | 17:33 |
| humma | su -l humma -c "cowsay -f ghostbusters GTFO systemd" > /etc/issue.net # did it for me | 18:08 |
| Akuli | :DD | 18:12 |
| KatolaZ | humma: | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | ~.,_ ___ _ ____ ______ _____ | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | "+. / _ \ | / / / / / __ `/ __ \ | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | @) / __/ |/ / /_/ / /_/ / / / / | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | @@) \___/|___/\__,_/\__,_/_/ /_/ | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | (@@@) | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | _______ ____ __ __ _ | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | / ____/ | / / / / / __ / / (_)___ __ ___ __ | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | / / __/ |/ / / / /_/ /_/ / / / __ \/ / / / |/_/ | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | / /_/ / /| / /_/ /_ __/ /___/ / / / / /_/ /> < | 18:18 |
| KatolaZ | \____/_/ |_/\____/ /_/ /_____/_/_/ /_/\__,_/_/|_| | 18:18 |
| humma | cat - > /etc/issue < KatolaZ | 18:23 |
| golinux | humma: What kind of branding are you needing? | 18:25 |
| golinux | NM. seems you solved it. | 18:25 |
| humma | Dunno, I just figured someone made some art given the release name, and evidently I was right | 18:25 |
| golinux | Mine is graphical | 18:26 |
| golinux | so wouldn't work for you anyway. | 18:26 |
| humma | Cool, I'm a command line hipster, and this is for my server though | 18:26 |
| KatolaZ | we should actually have a devuan ascii-art contest | 18:26 |
| KatolaZ | :P | 18:26 |
| debdog | pun intented? | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | debdog: as you like :P | 18:27 |
| debdog | :) | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | I did a couple of experiments while branding minimal-live | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | but I am sure there are better farters | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | (than me) | 18:28 |
| humma | KatolaZ: Nah, after escaping the backslashes I'm satisfied | 18:41 |
| humma | Does anyone know how to stop the shell from displaying username@hostname upon login? It's interfering with scp | 18:42 |
| debdog | humma: for bash based shells in /etc/bash.bashrc | 18:46 |
| debdog | here it looks like: PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ ' | 18:46 |
| debdog | the \u is the username and \h host | 18:47 |
| debdog | this overwrites the settings in /etc/profile | 18:47 |
| humma | debdog: Hm, I commented that line out, but it still does that thing | 18:48 |
| debdog | and you've restared the shell? | 18:49 |
| debdog | retstarted | 18:49 |
| debdog | well | 18:49 |
| debdog | restarted | 18:49 |
| humma | I logged in again, so I'd assume it sourced the bashrc | 18:49 |
| debdog | hmm | 18:49 |
| KatolaZ | humma: what do you have in your ~/.bashrc | 18:49 |
| KatolaZ | (or ~/.profile)? | 18:50 |
| debdog | it's been more than 20 years since I've actually fiddled with this stuff | 18:50 |
| humma | A bunch of stuff.. | 18:50 |
| KatolaZ | look for 'PS1' in there | 18:51 |
| KatolaZ | there must be a PS1=.... | 18:51 |
| humma | I commented out all occurences of PS1, but scp still gags on user@host | 18:52 |
| KatolaZ | humma: what do you mean by that?!? | 18:52 |
| humma | .. in ~/.bashrc | 18:52 |
| KatolaZ | nope, by scp 'gagging'? | 18:52 |
| DonkeyHotei | user@host cannot by itself break scp | 18:53 |
| KatolaZ | yep | 18:53 |
| KatolaZ | you must have an incorrect invocation | 18:53 |
| humma | I mean that when I scp a file to my devuan install, it replies with \033kuser@host\033\ , and does not copy it | 18:53 |
| KatolaZ | oh no way | 18:53 |
| KatolaZ | which command are you using? | 18:53 |
| humma | scp ~/Downloads/devuan-logo-purpy.txt 10.0.0.3:devuan-logo-purpy.txt | 18:54 |
| DonkeyHotei | try -v | 18:55 |
| KatolaZ | humma: user@10.0.0.3:~/devuan-logo-purpy.txt | 18:55 |
| humma | Huh, I tried scping it to another machine, and it said scp: devuan-logo-purpy.txt: Permission denied | 18:56 |
| KatolaZ | humma: -v, as suggested | 18:56 |
| DonkeyHotei | the user@ part is not needed when it's the same on both machines | 18:56 |
| humma | scp: devuan-logo-purpy.txt: Permission denied, again | 18:57 |
| KatolaZ | humma: -v | 18:58 |
| humma | So I guess the PS1 is not the culprit | 18:58 |
| KatolaZ | DonkeyHotei: but :~/ should be needed, IIRC | 18:58 |
| humma | debug1: pledge: network | 18:58 |
| humma | debug1: client_input_global_request: rtype hostkeys-00@openssh.com want_reply 0 | 18:58 |
| humma | debug1: Sending environment. | 18:58 |
| humma | debug1: Sending env LANG = en_US.UTF-8 | 18:58 |
| humma | debug1: Sending command: scp -v -t devuan-logo-purpy.txt | 18:58 |
| humma | Sending file modes: C0664 5214 devuan-logo-purpy.txt | 18:58 |
| humma | Sink: C0664 5214 devuan-logo-purpy.txt | 18:58 |
| humma | scp: devuan-logo-purpy.txt: Permission denied | 18:58 |
| humma | humma@Yogi:~$ debug1: client_input_channel_req: channel 0 rtype exit-status reply 0 | 18:58 |
| humma | debug1: channel 0: free: client-session, nchannels 1 | 18:58 |
| KatolaZ | (or an absolute path) | 18:58 |
| humma | debug1: fd 0 clearing O_NONBLOCK | 18:59 |
| humma | debug1: fd 1 clearing O_NONBLOCK | 18:59 |
| humma | Transferred: sent 2472, received 3512 bytes, in 0.1 seconds | 18:59 |
| humma | Bytes per second: sent 30070.1, received 42720.9 | 18:59 |
| KatolaZ | humma: you are gonna be kicked by a abot | 18:59 |
| DonkeyHotei | KatolaZ: nope | 18:59 |
| humma | debug1: Exit status 1 | 18:59 |
| humma | Oops, sorry bot | 18:59 |
| DonkeyHotei | no path nor filename is needed for scp | 19:00 |
| DonkeyHotei | i do things like "scp foo.txt 10.0.0.3:" all the time | 19:00 |
| humma | I must be doing something wrong though, because this can't a devuan issue in it self, if both machines reject it | 19:01 |
| DonkeyHotei | do you have read permissions for the file you are copying? | 19:01 |
| humma | DonkeyHotei: Alright, that'll save some pasting | 19:01 |
| KatolaZ | do you have read perms on the file you are sending? | 19:01 |
| KatolaZ | oops | 19:01 |
| KatolaZ | sorry | 19:02 |
| humma | -rw-rw-r-- 1 humma humma 5214 Feb 4 17:43 /home/humma/Downloads/devuan-logo-purpy.txt | 19:02 |
| KatolaZ | humma: -vvv | 19:02 |
| KatolaZ | humma: do not paste here though, please | 19:03 |
| humma | KatolaZ: Heh, http://dpaste.com/1XKHS8X | 19:08 |
| humma | So now my laptop doesn't want to scp at all, as it turns out | 19:13 |
| humma | Ah, screw it | 19:13 |
| humma | If you looked at the paste and wondered why I named one of the hosts Rectus, it's because the other one is called Radical. Combine a radical with a rectus and yu've got the square root. No homo | 19:16 |
| debdog | l33t | 19:17 |
| humma | debdog: I called its predecessor Vinculum, but I chose not to revive it out of nostalgia | 19:28 |
| debdog | hehe | 19:30 |
| humma | I've given it some thought, and I've decided to name my Devuan install Directrix instead. | 20:27 |
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