| xrogaan | I don't understand what is happening in the ML right now. | 00:16 |
|---|---|---|
| Hurgotron | not reading it. What does it look like? | 00:18 |
| xrogaan | shitstorm | 00:18 |
| Hurgotron | :( | 00:18 |
| gnarface | i should really be on the mailing list just to make sure nobody is impersonating me on there | 00:18 |
| gnarface | xrogaan: is there a link to an archive of the discussion? | 00:20 |
| xrogaan | the web interface is really crappy | 00:20 |
| xrogaan | I handpicked relevant mails: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190411.081922.f40c32e9.en.html | 00:21 |
| xrogaan | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190411.183703.8a9a07ef.en.html | 00:21 |
| xrogaan | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190411.213853.5d38535f.en.html | 00:21 |
| xrogaan | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190411.215224.dad23534.en.html | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, if anyone impersonates you, I will be sure to alert you, and we can arrange to have their asses duly kicked. | 00:22 |
| gnarface | thank you, fsmithred | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | we will accept no substitutes | 00:22 |
| ashleyk | are these even real messages | 00:24 |
| ashleyk | or is it just that time of the month | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | maybe both | 00:25 |
| xrogaan | why wouldn't it be real? | 00:25 |
| * gnarface sighs | 00:27 | |
| * fsmithred goes back to making live isos | 00:28 | |
| ashleyk | xrogaan, because we are grownups lol | 00:29 |
| tuxd3v | <ashleyk>, does you solved your problem? | 00:31 |
| ashleyk | if its real then KatolaZ is just reacting to the fact that when money is being spent things become more rigid to not waste it which puts pressure on people. actually i didnt even read more than a sentence or so but id have to imagine the cause | 00:31 |
| xrogaan | have you* | 00:31 |
| ashleyk | tuxd3v, well i feel like it works | 00:32 |
| ashleyk | i havent tested every possibility yet perhaps | 00:32 |
| ashleyk | but it seems as simple as it can get | 00:32 |
| tuxd3v | so whats your problem after all? | 00:32 |
| ashleyk | have you ever run pings with wireless and ethernet both online | 00:33 |
| ashleyk | then disconnected one or the other | 00:33 |
| ashleyk | turn off your wifi router, / disconnect ethernet, etc | 00:33 |
| ashleyk | and see what happens to the ping? | 00:33 |
| ashleyk | its hard to make it recover in under 1 second | 00:34 |
| ashleyk | unless im missing something | 00:34 |
| xrogaan | the route is supposed to care about the actual IP it was established with. | 00:34 |
| tuxd3v | but why you want to recover in under 1 second in that situation? | 00:34 |
| ashleyk | because you have two connections | 00:35 |
| ashleyk | why should it even drop any pings? | 00:35 |
| ashleyk | if you have two routes to the internet | 00:35 |
| xrogaan | you have a wlan0 and eth0, those are two different route. So if one is being used then get closed, your software needs to renegotiate a new route. (figuratively speaking) | 00:35 |
| tuxd3v | you are speaking about a bond interface? | 00:35 |
| ashleyk | tuxd3v, well, i never tried it | 00:36 |
| tuxd3v | if you are , it should | 00:36 |
| tuxd3v | depending of the configuration you have | 00:36 |
| tuxd3v | with 2 conections simultaneously, you need a very good switch | 00:37 |
| ashleyk | well now that both devices are actually on board | 00:37 |
| ashleyk | instead of a dongle | 00:37 |
| ashleyk | i could try a bond setup | 00:37 |
| tuxd3v | if you are tryinf I think in mode 4 | 00:37 |
| tuxd3v | which I think its both active-active | 00:37 |
| tuxd3v | then you need a very good managed switch | 00:37 |
| tuxd3v | to enable LAPC | 00:38 |
| ashleyk | no you can do it in software | 00:38 |
| tuxd3v | because of circular dependencies in the spanning tree | 00:38 |
| ashleyk | the kernel can do it | 00:38 |
| tuxd3v | but try with a bond interface | 00:38 |
| tuxd3v | active-backup | 00:38 |
| tuxd3v | bonds are for that type of things | 00:39 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 00:39 |
| xrogaan | stupid question though: why wireless when you have ethernet? | 00:41 |
| ashleyk | xrogaan, and how do you get your wifi adapter to turn off when you plug in ethernet? | 00:42 |
| xrogaan | Why plug ethernet if you have wifi? | 00:42 |
| ashleyk | can i have both plugged in and either automatically prioritize one and disable the other, or have it just work with both plugged in and also have good failover | 00:43 |
| ashleyk | xrogaan, try it, lol | 00:44 |
| xrogaan | I somewhat understand the technical issue, but in practice I would never plug ethernet in if I have access to the wifi. | 00:44 |
| ashleyk | its a device that i just want to work using any conenction it can get | 00:45 |
| xrogaan | So a bond? | 00:48 |
| xrogaan | I mean, the solution is a bond? | 00:48 |
| ashleyk | im going to try it | 00:49 |
| xrogaan | Thinking about it, it's really the solution to the problem. If you were to try something else, you would just emulate that behavior right? | 00:50 |
| gnarface | i thought i knew of a better solution but it's not something i ever do myself, so i can't remember it now. on my own systems this isn't something i would want happening automatically without my permission | 00:52 |
| Evilham | You couls be connected to different networks through different i terfaces and want all of them to be up simultaneously | 00:54 |
| gnarface | yea, and that i've done, but i still wouldn't want it deciding to down an interface on me if there was a momentary connection failure | 00:55 |
| Evilham | E.g. wireless to catch internet and go out, ethernet to a switch tonprovide internet to other devices | 00:55 |
| Evilham | Indeed | 00:55 |
| Evilham | But if that were a thing, likely ifupdown hoons | 00:56 |
| Evilham | *hooks | 00:56 |
| Evilham | Anyway, nighty \o | 00:56 |
| tuxd3v | Evilham | 01:04 |
| tuxd3v | is not so easy | 01:04 |
| tuxd3v | you need policy routing for that | 01:04 |
| tuxd3v | and you need to create the routing tables | 01:05 |
| tuxd3v | and so on.. | 01:05 |
| tuxd3v | because you can't have by default 2 gateways conected at same time, without one take priority over another one | 01:05 |
| tuxd3v | lits like asking for a response and get 2 diferent ones | 01:06 |
| tuxd3v | some one else needs now to pick only one of them | 01:06 |
| tuxd3v | er, list -> its | 01:07 |
| tuxd3v | without routing policy, a bond its ofcourse the solution.. | 01:08 |
| tuxd3v | Evilham, cia \o | 01:10 |
| nighty | Evilham: hi | 03:40 |
| ashleyk | is that tofu https://www.dyne.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Devuan_Conference2019-img002.jpg | 05:21 |
| ashleyk | gopher stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/local/bin/buckd buckd | 05:24 |
| fsmithred | no tofu | 06:01 |
| fsmithred | rice and lentils, butternut squash, red beets and something (white beets? They were a little crunchy.) around the edge. | 06:03 |
| ashleyk | nice | 06:04 |
| fsmithred | The greens were bear-claws | 06:04 |
| fsmithred | I think | 06:04 |
| fsmithred | no | 06:04 |
| fsmithred | that was the name of the things in the lawn that look like brown asparagus | 06:04 |
| fsmithred | the greens start with "c" | 06:05 |
| ashleyk | i see some cilantro | 06:05 |
| ashleyk | but theres other stuff | 06:05 |
| fsmithred | I don't think so | 06:05 |
| fsmithred | it was always the same greens. | 06:06 |
| ashleyk | celery? | 06:06 |
| fsmithred | if you look close enough, they are fractals | 06:06 |
| fsmithred | no | 06:06 |
| fsmithred | can't remember the name. I think she picked a big bunch of them. | 06:07 |
| fsmithred | food was excellent all weekend | 06:07 |
| golinux | fsmithred: The crunchy white stuff was celeriac | 06:10 |
| fsmithred | never had that before | 06:11 |
| golinux | Me either | 06:12 |
| ashleyk | doh binutils set to manually installed. | 06:49 |
| gour | morning | 08:59 |
| gour | i sent a bug report yesterday about my grub2 problem, but cannot find any report on tge web? | 08:59 |
| tuxd3v | Good Morning | 09:00 |
| Centurion_Dan | gour: it' | 09:00 |
| tuxd3v | gour: your grub problem? | 09:00 |
| tuxd3v | ho yeah | 09:00 |
| gour | tuxd3v: suvject was 'grub-install fails' | 09:01 |
| gour | *subject | 09:01 |
| tuxd3v | do you sure? | 09:01 |
| tuxd3v | what is the package you have? | 09:01 |
| tuxd3v | the version | 09:01 |
| gour | grub-install says: grub-install: error: cannot copy `/usr/share/locale/bg.gmo' to `/boot/grub/locale/bg.mo': Is a directory. | 09:01 |
| gour | grub2-common/unstable,unstable,now 2.02+dfsg1-16 amd64 [installed,automatic] | 09:01 |
| gour | bug was submitted via email to submit@bugs.devuan.org | 09:02 |
| Centurion_Dan | is likely that grub has been updated. We don't currently fork the grub package. This should be actually reported to debian. | 09:02 |
| gour | i am worried that i can't see report at the first place and would like to propose to update xfce's weather-plugin since the current one does not work - the weather provider support was terminated | 09:04 |
| tuxd3v | gour: what says 'apt-cache depends grub2' | 09:08 |
| gour | tuxd3v: grub-pc & grub-common | 09:09 |
| tuxd3v | maybe thatś the problem | 09:10 |
| tuxd3v | not grub 2 | 09:10 |
| tuxd3v | ? | 09:10 |
| gour | yeah, it should probably be grub2-common, right? | 09:11 |
| gour | (which is installed) | 09:11 |
| tuxd3v | check if you have both installed (grub-pc, grub-pc ) | 09:11 |
| gour | grub-pc is installed | 09:11 |
| tuxd3v | er, grub-pc ; grub-common | 09:12 |
| gour | grub-common is also installed | 09:12 |
| tuxd3v | I am on ascii, maybe diferent for you | 09:15 |
| tuxd3v | but if were me, I would reinstall them | 09:15 |
| gour | ok | 09:16 |
| tuxd3v | You are on bewolf? | 09:21 |
| tuxd3v | Beowulf | 09:21 |
| tuxd3v | or on Ceres(sid)? | 09:22 |
| tuxd3v | 'apt-get install --reinstall grub2' | 09:23 |
| tuxd3v | it could be a package dependencie problem or something | 09:24 |
| tuxd3v | I think you started on Beowulf | 09:24 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/aIDehZz4 | 09:30 |
| gour | i'm on ceres | 09:37 |
| tuxd3v | you are 2 ordersd of magnitude above me | 09:38 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 09:38 |
| tuxd3v | I am in ascii | 09:38 |
| gour | lol | 09:38 |
| tuxd3v | but I am thinking in passing to Beowulf | 09:38 |
| gour | do you use some backports or simply happy with older stuff? | 09:39 |
| tuxd3v | hehhe | 09:39 |
| tuxd3v | I just use xfce | 09:39 |
| tuxd3v | its a very stable desktop with not so many changes over time | 09:39 |
| gour | waht about other stuff, e.g. neovim, gnucash... | 09:40 |
| tuxd3v | and I am more preocupied with developing at the moment, so it does what I need | 09:40 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 09:40 |
| gour | re-installing grub did not help...which editor you use? | 09:40 |
| tuxd3v | yes, there are some goodies lost because of that | 09:40 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 09:40 |
| tuxd3v | I am thinking in upgrade to Beowulf | 09:41 |
| tuxd3v | and then use the backports | 09:41 |
| tuxd3v | Devuan in the mean time is also adjusting, and Beowulf, would be nicer for sure | 09:42 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 09:42 |
| tuxd3v | but Ceres can be a installation that I could maintain in parallel, for enjoying the new stuff | 09:42 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 09:42 |
| Demosthenex | just upgraded to ascii a week ago, ZFS is now freaking out (zed process runaway, io is really really choppy), zfs people say i have mixed versions, and i'm just using what ascii gave me... https://bpaste.net/show/d447d0683670 clearly there's a mix of v6 and v7 | 09:52 |
| Demosthenex | it looks like maybe some of the portions are pulled from ascii-backports. | 09:56 |
| Demosthenex | so when i followed the upgrade guide, it instructed me to add the backports repo in the sources.list, and it appears that ZFS is mixed due to packaging across ascii and backports. i'm trying to eliminate all the backports versions of everything now. | 10:07 |
| Evilham | you can instead do package pinning | 10:08 |
| Evilham | in general you should basically use a whitelist for things from backports | 10:08 |
| Evilham | Demosthenex: besides thsi issue, how does zfs work on linux in general? | 10:09 |
| Evilham | I've only used it on FreeBSD :-D | 10:09 |
| Demosthenex | Evilham: i really didn't want backports to begin with, i know from past experience i have to configure pinning and such.... i didn't have it enabled before | 10:10 |
| Evilham | Demosthenex: there appears to be something weird with your setup, check this: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=zfs&release=ascii | 10:10 |
| Demosthenex | but shame on me for including it by accident when i followed the directions here: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii | 10:10 |
| Evilham | backports also have 0.7.12 for zfs-dkms and zfs-initramfs | 10:11 |
| Demosthenex | yep. but somehow the mixed versions got installed | 10:11 |
| Demosthenex | i upgraded from jessie and it went pretty smoothyly :P | 10:11 |
| Evilham | how did you install zfs? | 10:11 |
| Demosthenex | previously on jessie | 10:12 |
| Evilham | and it did not tell you to upgrade zfs-dkms and zfs-initramfs as well? | 10:12 |
| Demosthenex | or... it never upgraded those | 10:13 |
| Demosthenex | i ran script to save the upgrade, and it looks like it upgraded 3 zfs packages, but not all | 10:13 |
| Demosthenex | and yet my system says its up to date | 10:13 |
| Demosthenex | where's the dependency resolution there? | 10:14 |
| Evilham | that's a good question, what does apt policy zfs-dkms say? | 10:14 |
| Demosthenex | i disabled backpports, shall i add it back first? | 10:14 |
| Evilham | yes :-D | 10:15 |
| Evilham | and apt update in between | 10:15 |
| Demosthenex | https://bpaste.net/show/de7553499f43 | 10:16 |
| Demosthenex | i smell a packaging error ;] | 10:16 |
| Demosthenex | and apt-cache showpkg zfs-dkms shows only v6 | 10:17 |
| Evilham | weird | 10:17 |
| Evilham | can you open a bug over smtp on bts against zfs? | 10:17 |
| Evilham | https://bugs.devuan.org/ | 10:18 |
| Evilham | I mean, bugreport should work | 10:19 |
| Demosthenex | https://bugs.devuan.org/db/76/76.html | 10:20 |
| Demosthenex | wonder if i also need nonfree | 10:20 |
| Demosthenex | and that seems to be it. | 10:21 |
| Demosthenex | now apt policy shows the 0.7 version from backports | 10:21 |
| Demosthenex | brb, will reboot :P | 10:23 |
| Evilham | wait | 10:24 |
| Evilham | oh :-D too bad | 10:24 |
| Demosthenex | manually upgrading the zfs pacakges to the backports level :P | 10:34 |
| Evilham | Demosthenex: I was going to tell you that right now, it looks like you only need contrib | 10:34 |
| Evilham | maybe you only had main for ascii-backports | 10:34 |
| Demosthenex | yeah, aptitude safe-upgrade didn't install them all. | 10:34 |
| Demosthenex | could be | 10:34 |
| Evilham | I remember this being an issue back in the fighting-with-nvidia-drivers days | 10:35 |
| Evilham | and I totally forgot before ^^ | 10:35 |
| Evilham | I hope that solves your issue! | 10:35 |
| Evilham | maybe you'd want to add a quick write-up on how to use zfs on linux to the webpage? | 10:35 |
| Demosthenex | yeah, i think this fixes it. we'll see after next reboot | 10:35 |
| Demosthenex | there were a few good ones i read before | 10:36 |
| Demosthenex | i'm bitterly disappointed that in 2019 i still can't mirror my OS disk. | 10:36 |
| Evilham | yeah, it's always kind of like that, an advantage to adding it woudl be that it is devuan-focused, therefore easier to follow for the community | 10:36 |
| Evilham | Demosthenex: how did it go? | 10:44 |
| Demosthenex | so... looks better. all the zfs versions match now | 10:45 |
| Demosthenex | https://bpaste.net/show/d2c817193d63 | 10:45 |
| Demosthenex | zed is no longer in a runaway state | 10:45 |
| Demosthenex | that's good | 10:45 |
| Evilham | :-D that's good | 10:45 |
| Demosthenex | but the IO still seems to be skipping :P | 10:45 |
| Demosthenex | brb, something else to try | 10:45 |
| Evilham | alright | 10:45 |
| Evilham | just a quick note before I also run: do consider adding some notes about this to the webpage, you are free to create a merge request against it: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/ | 10:46 |
| Demosthenex | i might ;] | 10:49 |
| * gour is restoring last portion of backup... | 12:24 | |
| gour | and that's pretty much it - everything else does work...just few more pkgs to install | 12:25 |
| Centurion_Dan | Can anyone running Devuan buster please post the output of "lsb-release -a". I'm trying to confirm if there is any necessity for continuing to have a forked lsb-base package?? | 13:47 |
| Invader_Bork | hi, i was wondering what came out of the s6 init hackathon at the devuan conf | 13:54 |
| xinomilo | mixed beowulf/ceres, lsb-release from testing : | 13:58 |
| xinomilo | No LSB modules are available. | 13:58 |
| xinomilo | Distributor ID:Devuan | 13:58 |
| xinomilo | Description:Devuan GNU/Linux beowulf/ceres | 13:58 |
| xinomilo | Release:10 | 13:58 |
| xinomilo | Codename:n/a | 13:58 |
| gour | probably not the most popular question for here, but wonder if anyone is able to use skypeforlinux? twice a month i have to attend video conferences for some non-profit org and that's what is used... | 14:03 |
| gour | it installed ok, but after running it i get some segfault like: segfault at 2c ip 00007fd51bb492f0 sp 00007fff99c85f18 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.5800.3[7fd51bb1a000+7e000] | 14:04 |
| Evilham | gour: maybe you want to look into their webby thing, I think it mostly works | 15:13 |
| Evilham | I stopped using skype4linux ages ago :-D and havent quite had the need for it since then, but I certainly would rather use their webby thing than going through the whole skype4linux thing again | 15:13 |
| xrogaan | I recall something about the different DM needing different stuff, like elogind version consolekit. | 15:16 |
| xrogaan | But I do not know where to find that information. | 15:16 |
| * Evilham doesn't use graphics under linux | 15:17 | |
| James1138 | Evilham - are you talking about "Ghetto-skype"? | 15:17 |
| Evilham | wish I could help there, xrogaan, but I'm afraid that'd require huge time investment on my part :-D | 15:17 |
| Evilham | maybe fsmithred knows | 15:17 |
| Evilham | James1138: dunno what you mean by Ghetto-skype, I mean this: https://web.skype.com/ which, imo, if one absolutely has to use skype, would be better than installing it | 15:19 |
| xrogaan | The structure of the website is kind of a mess. | 15:20 |
| xrogaan | I saw a link to the wiki, and now I can't find it. I don't remember on which page it is. | 15:21 |
| xrogaan | maybe it was about the irc channel | 15:22 |
| James1138 | EvilHam: There is a functional replacement for skype4linux called "ghetto-skype". Here is the link to the website if you want to check it out. I tried it and found it better than nothing. https://github.com/stanfieldr/ghetto-skype | 15:22 |
| Evilham | gour: maybe James1138 hint here will be useful for you ^^^^ | 15:23 |
| Evilham | thank you, James1138; I'd still give the web thing a go before installing that :-D | 15:23 |
| xrogaan | maybe I shouldn't care about slim vs lightdm | 15:24 |
| James1138 | You're welcome Evilham | 15:24 |
| xinomilo | xrogaan, check release notes for ascii | 15:33 |
| xinomilo | section Session management and policykit backends | 15:35 |
| xrogaan | where is it? | 15:38 |
| xrogaan | there are too much clicks to find them | 15:39 |
| xrogaan | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 15:39 |
| Evilham | xrogaan: :-D want to fix that? | 15:40 |
| Evilham | the website is built from this: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/ | 15:41 |
| Evilham | so, if you think there's a good place to link to the release notes that is easier, go ahead! | 15:41 |
| xrogaan | man, I would just get rid of everything on the website and put links to releases, documentation and irc. | 15:41 |
| Evilham | X-D | 15:41 |
| xrogaan | no css, no nothing. Just a wiki. | 15:41 |
| * Evilham has totally not considered it at some point | 15:41 | |
| xrogaan | I'm not the man you want to design a website. | 15:42 |
| Evilham | oh, it's not about that, just in case you see exactly where it'd be useful | 15:42 |
| Evilham | someone should calculate KatolaZ' bs ratio for devuan's website :-) | 15:43 |
| xrogaan | What do you want when you go on that website? I don't care about 90% of what's in there. I either want to get to the list of repo, the wiki/forum, the bug tracker and know what's new with devuan. | 15:44 |
| Evilham | :-D it is tempting indeed | 15:45 |
| Evilham | maybe at some point we should have nobs.devuan.org :-) | 15:46 |
| MinceR | knobs.devuan.org | 15:46 |
| xrogaan | > https://www.archlinux.org/ | 15:46 |
| xrogaan | just what people need | 15:46 |
| MinceR | people at the nsa? | 15:46 |
| Evilham | anyway, thing is: nobody is going to work many hours to switch the website :-D | 15:47 |
| Evilham | it doesn't make the OS any better, so it mostly stays the way it is | 15:47 |
| xrogaan | well, if it's a community project then a wiki should be the primary tool. | 15:48 |
| xrogaan | The website itself should just list links to the "useful" area. | 15:48 |
| xrogaan | Really, what does a man needs to do to know what is going on with devuan? Mailinglist? | 15:49 |
| Evilham | you are doing it right now :-) | 15:50 |
| Evilham | IRC is kind of the best way to stay up to date with things | 15:50 |
| nemo | belated thanks to xinomilo for the repo link. been super-busy | 15:50 |
| Evilham | anyway, I'll be "AFK" for a bit | 15:51 |
| Evilham | xrogaan: I agree that the website could be polished (read simplified) a bit more, but that's really no good use of most people's time at this stage | 15:51 |
| Evilham | there is the friendsofdevuan.org wiki btw which may or may not be more similar to what you want | 15:51 |
| gour | James1138: thank you. i'll try it | 15:53 |
| gour | hmm, "This project is no longer actively maintained." :-( | 15:54 |
| xinomilo | nemo, np. there was also a related topic, with apt preferences file included in dev1galaxy.org | 15:54 |
| xinomilo | been too busy also to search for links at the time :) | 15:54 |
| gour | ...and "Doesn't support video calls!" which does not fit the bill for me | 15:55 |
| James1138 | Sorry. The other option was using Empathy with Skype plugin. | 15:56 |
| xrogaan | rebooting and switching back the xfce | 15:56 |
| xrogaan | because cinnamon sucks | 15:56 |
| gour | James1138: but that also does not support video-call, i assume? | 15:56 |
| Evilham | gour: do try the web.skype.com thing :-D it may work | 15:57 |
| xinomilo | there's also pidgin-skype but haven't ever used it | 15:57 |
| Evilham | I did at some point, but it basically used skype4linux | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | gour, I'm pretty sure I tried installing skype on a friend's ascii, and she ended up using her gpad for skype. | 15:58 |
| James1138 | Have not tried but there is - https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/best-empathy-chat-plugins-for-linux/ | 15:58 |
| gour | fsmithred: hmm. on manjaro i had working skype4linux | 15:59 |
| James1138 | No - it does not. Sorry again | 15:59 |
| fsmithred | I'm looking for an ascii install to test skype. Will try it in a couple minutes on a laptop that has camera | 16:00 |
| gour | ok...well, there is still option to use web version | 16:00 |
| tuxd3v | Whats the problem with skype guys? | 16:01 |
| gour | tuxd3v: it installed ok here, but when i launch it, seems that it produces some segfault in my xfce panel | 16:02 |
| gour | ..when i attempts to show up in the notification area, i assume | 16:02 |
| tuxd3v | can you lanuch it from terminal? | 16:03 |
| tuxd3v | so that we can see something? | 16:03 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 16:03 |
| gour | well, that's what i'm trying to do | 16:04 |
| gour | but nothing shows up | 16:04 |
| gour | something like this: https://pastebin.com/ZadDCCRC | 16:06 |
| gour | iow. i see that new (empty) space is provided in the notification area - presumably for it, but then it is removed after the crash | 16:11 |
| gour | i'll try to install unstable one | 16:12 |
| tuxd3v | gour: Hold-ON | 16:12 |
| tuxd3v | gour: do this: | 16:15 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/naBXaZ8a | 16:15 |
| gour | tuxd3v: if i do not respond soon, it's because i've to get ready to drive our daughter to a gymnastic training...but, bbl | 16:16 |
| tuxd3v | gour: go with your daughter | 16:17 |
| gour | tuxd3v: btw, unstable version works ok;) | 16:17 |
| tuxd3v | enjoy it! | 16:17 |
| tuxd3v | ha ok | 16:17 |
| gour | thanks a lot anyway! | 16:18 |
| gour | i'0ve also installed anydesk and now just have to wait for my restore to finish :-D | 16:18 |
| gour | ~30G to go ;) | 16:18 |
| tuxd3v | gour: no problem, you welcome, go with your daughter, that is a lot more important! Enjoy the moments, because time pass, and it doesn't come back :) | 16:19 |
| tuxd3v | ;) | 16:20 |
| golinux | <tuxd3v> Whats the problem with skype guys? | 16:24 |
| fsmithred | gour, I just installed skype on ascii and completed a test call without error | 16:24 |
| golinux | It's owned by Micro$oft | 16:25 |
| golinux | fsmithred: Good morning | 16:25 |
| fsmithred | hi | 16:26 |
| fsmithred | don't worry, I installed skype on a throwaway install | 16:26 |
| fsmithred | had to make a new login, though - the old one was linked to an old hotmail account I haven't used in many years | 16:27 |
| fsmithred | and they wanted to send me a verification code | 16:27 |
| tuxd3v | probably he was linking against a lower lib of something .. | 16:30 |
| tuxd3v | lower version | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | can't seem to make a test video call. That link is greyed out | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | audio does work with apulse instead of pulseaudio. (shouldn't be a surprise - it was made for skype) | 16:40 |
| xrogaan | right, the gnome keyring system isn't available on xfce. | 16:44 |
| xrogaan | Pisses me off, that's the one useful thing in gnome. | 16:44 |
| xrogaan | a keyring system that's actually painless and looks good. | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | xrogaan, what does it do? I keep getting a popup asking me to enter a password for the keyring, and I always cancel. | 16:52 |
| fsmithred | gnome-keyring came in with skype | 16:53 |
| xrogaan | keeps your ssh information | 16:53 |
| fsmithred | for what? | 16:53 |
| xrogaan | so I don't have to retype my password every time I push something? | 16:53 |
| xrogaan | or pull something | 16:53 |
| xrogaan | it's a long password | 16:53 |
| fsmithred | ssh-add /path/to/key | 16:53 |
| fsmithred | once per session | 16:54 |
| xrogaan | Which is what the gnome keyring does. | 16:54 |
| xrogaan | for me | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | ssh-agent does it here | 16:54 |
| xrogaan | without me worrying about it. | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | oh, so you don't even have to enter it once per session? | 16:55 |
| xrogaan | you can set it up that way | 16:57 |
| xrogaan | and it handle the gpg keys too | 16:57 |
| xrogaan | I'll restart my session to see if something changes. The daemon weren't active. | 16:58 |
| xrogaan | there is a compatibility mode for gnome services and xfce | 17:09 |
| xrogaan | that's nice | 17:09 |
| xrogaan | no more cinnamon bullshit, ah ah! | 17:10 |
| gour | fsmithred: well, for me unstable does work as well | 17:23 |
| gour | i like devauan desktop bg image, theming as well as slim's "theme", but wonder if there is something available to be put as grub's bg instead of that default "blue" ? | 17:24 |
| xrogaan | Gnome keyring can also handle chromium passwords, which is nice. | 17:27 |
| xrogaan | gour: I use https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1251112/ | 17:28 |
| fsmithred | gour, your running ceres? | 17:36 |
| gour | fsmithred: yes | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | ok, cool | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | can you do video calls on skype? I can't seem to test that. | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | brb, making lunch | 17:38 |
| ashleyk_ | make me a ham sandwhich | 17:38 |
| ashleyk_ | sudo* | 17:39 |
| Bjornn | it says wrong password | 17:39 |
| gour | fsmithred: yes, i've regular video-conferences with it...well, i'm just attending, not moderating | 17:40 |
| xinomilo | gour, check plymouth | 17:40 |
| gour | xinomilo: thanks, that might be the thing | 17:47 |
| golinux | gour: You can find the parts of the theme for beowulf here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15024#p15024 | 17:56 |
| gour | golinux: thanks!! | 17:57 |
| golinux | If you want the dark purpy grub, I can drop a link here. The grub theme is set in /usr/share/desktop-base/ Other parts elsewhere in /usr/share | 17:58 |
| James1138 | In Xfce, under Applications -> Settings -> Session and Startup -> Advanced -> Compatibility you can tick "Launch GNOME services on startup". This will start the gnome-keyring daemon, meaning that you shouldn't have to type in passwords in some instances, say for password protected SSH keys. If that option isn't ticked, I don't think your Xfce desktop is actually using gnome-keyring at all. | 18:03 |
| gour | what do you think about replacing keepassxc with (qt)pass? | 18:05 |
| James1138 | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-keyring | 18:05 |
| * gour is doing his 1st devuan backup | 18:06 | |
| golinux | gnome-keyring is available via devuan | 18:08 |
| golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 18:08 |
| gour | btw, how is it that devuan still has that plain blue bg in grub considering other parts of OS which are nicely styled? | 18:10 |
| fsmithred | gour, in the stable release, if you install full desktop, you get desktop-base, which gives you a grub splash | 18:10 |
| fsmithred | without that, you can put an image in /boot/grub/ and run update-grub to get a splash image behind the grub menu | 18:11 |
| golinux | Because only jessie and ascii have the integrated theming in place. beowul and ceres you have to do it manually until someone gets around to doing the integration. | 18:11 |
| gour | ok | 18:14 |
| jack- | so what :) ascii is current, who needs the dinosaurs | 18:14 |
| golinux | Me. My daily friver is still jessie | 18:15 |
| golinux | > driver | 18:15 |
| jack- | heh | 18:15 |
| golinux | Maybe because I am a dinosaur! | 18:15 |
| golinux | Still 32 bit also. | 18:16 |
| jack- | jessie is ok, dino rather referred to beowulf/ceres | 18:17 |
| gour | hmm, i did install stable (ascii), full desktop and grub booted in plain blue | 18:18 |
| golinux | gour: You need to choose the full desktop environment | 18:21 |
| golinux | or so I've been told. I just play with the crayons and pass the results to someone who does the packaging | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | devuan-desktop-environment gives you desktop-base | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | did you un-check that at the tasksel window? | 18:24 |
| jack- | rumors say the next debian version will maybe come without systemd | 18:56 |
| jack- | cool? :P | 18:56 |
| xrogaan | Lies! You are the prince of lies! | 18:58 |
| jack- | heh | 18:58 |
| xrogaan | But yeah, nice if true. | 18:58 |
| jack- | see | 18:59 |
| xrogaan | James1138: I found it a bit earlier, thanks. The xfce UI isn't the best to be honest, for instance there are 2 area to configure hotkeys. | 18:59 |
| xrogaan | one that is directly for the windows, and the other which is general purpose. | 18:59 |
| gour | fsmithred: i did check devuan-desktop-env and Xfce...anyway, will try to fix it manually | 20:01 |
| gnarface | gour: note that because you're on ceres, you're not getting the devuanized modifications that happen to ascii. | 20:04 |
| gour | gnarface: hmm...i'd have nothing against running ascii when it is about xfce, but would miss freshness of several other apps...huh, will have to do some thinking in regardf :-) | 20:06 |
| gnarface | gour: you should really check ascii-backports for the apps in question. stuff in high demand that has important non-security, non-stability functional updates that can't be patched into the stable versions usually gets put in backports | 20:07 |
| gnarface | most people can get away with running ascii and pulling just a couple things from backports | 20:07 |
| gnarface | resorting to running ceres is rarely necessary unless you're developing stuff of your own for a future release or you're using wine-staging | 20:08 |
| gnarface | or... really recent nvidia hardware | 20:09 |
| gnarface | usually a combination of those things, really | 20:09 |
| gnarface | actually regardless, you shouldn't let a ceres install be your only functional install | 20:10 |
| gnarface | that's from personal experience | 20:10 |
| gnarface | you have to be extra careful not to break unstable, and even then it will sometimes betray you | 20:10 |
| gnarface | a lot more care has been put into making stable upgrades reliable | 20:11 |
| gnarface | (it's directly linked to why everything is so old in there) | 20:11 |
| gnarface | anyway it's fun to play with ceres, but if ascii-backports has what you need, the effort is worth it to stick with that | 20:13 |
| gour | wise words | 20:24 |
| gour | how to check what is in ascii-backports? | 20:25 |
| gour | downgrading ceres --> ascii is probably not recommended, but, probably, i could just re-install system on my / and put my /home intact...i'm happy that installer has no problem with my mdraid1 arrays since with some other distros i had to degrade arrays, do single disk install and then assemble again, doing re-sync etc. | 20:27 |
| gnarface | you should definitely not downgrade | 20:27 |
| golinux | gour: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 20:28 |
| gnarface | i don't think pkginfo.devuan.org has a search for ascii-backports wired up yet though, does it? | 20:28 |
| gnarface | i was going to suggest just searching it the old fashioned way ("apt-cache -t ascii-backports search ...") | 20:28 |
| xinomilo | it does | 20:29 |
| xinomilo | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=linux-image-amd64&release=ascii | 20:29 |
| xinomilo | not specific to backports, but packages show up | 20:29 |
| gnarface | oh, you're right. it's not in the pulldown list, but the ascii results do include backports. i see now. | 20:30 |
| gnarface | gour: you could probably just install ascii in a chroot or a vm of some sort, or onto a usb key, just as a test | 20:30 |
| KatolaZ | gnarface: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=ascii-backports&release=ascii | 20:32 |
| gnarface | nice trick KatolaZ, thanks | 20:32 |
| gour | thanks. i'm going to take dinner, them will inspect ascii-backports and then possibly do ascii re-install | 20:37 |
| jack- | isnt bzip2 better than gzip? | 21:12 |
| gnarface | depends on what you're doing | 21:13 |
| gnarface | it generally compresses better, but it is also a lot slower | 21:13 |
| jack- | i mean, only by the crunching factor | 21:13 |
| jack- | true that, ok | 21:14 |
| specing | use xz instead of bzip,gzip | 21:14 |
| Acacia | they perform very similarly, bzip2 can have a slightly better compression ratio, but nowadays you may want to use zstd instead of bzip2 unless you need bzip2's more established support | 21:14 |
| jack- | :) | 21:14 |
| gnarface | xz is really impressive for compression but it's way slower than both of the others | 21:14 |
| jack- | yeah | 21:14 |
| specing | you can use xz's -5 or lower and it'll be faster | 21:14 |
| gour | some things, e.g. gnucash are really old in ascii - on manjaro i was using 3.5, ceres has 3.4, while ascii is at 2.6.15 which woud be problematic due to format changes... | 22:25 |
| gour | kako je kod tebe? | 22:28 |
| jack- | gnucash is a true dinosaur, anyway :P | 22:29 |
| gnarface | gour: well some of these decisions can get difficult. you might have to choose between new formats and stability | 22:29 |
| gnarface | gour: or, you could just backport it yourself. sometimes that's simple, but i've also been in a scenario where i was tasked with backporting something, and by the time i had backported it and all the dependencies down to glibc, i realized it would have probably been easier to just run testing or unstable... | 22:30 |
| jack- | lol | 22:31 |
| jack- | see :) | 22:31 |
| jack- | estimating the effort is difficult sometimes | 22:32 |
| gour | gnarface: beowulf also does not provide integration, but is it real equivalent od debian's "testing"? | 22:33 |
| gnarface | gour: pretty much yes, afaik | 22:36 |
| gour | i'll do re-install on my netbook using ascii te see how it goes | 22:36 |
| gnarface | gour: beowulf might suffer from additional breakage that debian testing does not, due to policykit/consolekit related stuff, but i think they've cleared a lot of that up now too | 22:37 |
| gour | gnarface: ahh, good point, then ascii+backports sounds as even better option | 22:38 |
| golinux | Why was ChuangTzu K-Lined? | 23:42 |
| Hurgotron | hard to know, K-line is a server or network thing. | 23:48 |
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