| reubyawn | hi | 04:45 |
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| Beerbelott | Hello | 04:57 |
| Beerbelott | Is it known why Devuan 2.0.0 Ascii live desktop DVD contains sources pointing to pkgmaster.devuan.org and not deb.devuan.org as the website recommends for that release? | 04:58 |
| reubyawn | Please post the preferred package manager for Devuan . . . | 05:04 |
| slvr | aptitude is nice | 05:12 |
| gnarface | Beerbelott: pkgmaster is the master server. deb.devuan.org is the DNS round-robin list | 05:12 |
| reubyawn | apt package manager reports upgrades needed, while other package managers report none: # apt list --upgradable | 05:13 |
| reubyawn | Listing... Done | 05:13 |
| reubyawn | ghostscript/stable-security 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u3 amd64 [upgradable from: 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u2] | 05:13 |
| reubyawn | libgs9/stable-security 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u3 amd64 [upgradable from: 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u2] | 05:13 |
| reubyawn | libgs9-common/stable-security 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u3 all [upgradable from: 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u2] | 05:13 |
| reubyawn | # | 05:13 |
| gnarface | what other package managers, reubyawn? | 05:14 |
| gnarface | i prefer using apt-get and apt-cache | 05:15 |
| reubyawn | synaptic due to its GUI | 05:16 |
| gnarface | i am not sure how it works, but those 3 things you posted look like security updates. are you excluding those from synaptic for some reason? | 05:18 |
| Beerbelott | gnarface: I remember having had bad packages delivered through pkgmaster.devuan.org in the past. So that shall have never happened? | 05:18 |
| gnarface | i also wonder if it needs to be cache refreshed or something like that | 05:18 |
| gnarface | Beerbelott: i can't be certain you never got a bad package from there, i just know that's the master one. make sure your DNS is right of course.... a DNS hijacking attack could be possible | 05:20 |
| reubyawn | simply 'apt upgrade' should install the security updates ?? | 05:20 |
| gnarface | Beerbelott: i'm getting 5.196.38.1 for it here | 05:20 |
| gnarface | Beerbelott: i'm getting 5.196.38.18 for it here i mean, sorry | 05:20 |
| gnarface | reubyawn: try this: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" | 05:21 |
| Beerbelott | gnarface: It was some time ago, where I installed a package which wreaked havoc, when there was work around eudev happening | 05:22 |
| gnarface | Beerbelott: are you sure you aren't thinking of auto.mirror.devuan.org? | 05:22 |
| Beerbelott | Anyway, if it's OK to have pkgmaster in the live DVD, all is right | 05:22 |
| Beerbelott | Mmmmh | 05:22 |
| Beerbelott | Might be. | 05:22 |
| Beerbelott | F* my memory | 05:22 |
| gnarface | Beerbelott: i don't know if pkgmaster is in use on the live dvd for any reason other than it's out of date | 05:22 |
| Beerbelott | Sry about that then | 05:22 |
| Beerbelott | Well, it's all my q° :) | 05:23 |
| gnarface | that image might have been created while they were transitioning from auto.mirror.devuan.org to deb.devuan.org, so maybe they just decided to use pkgmaster because they knew it wasn't gonna change soon | 05:23 |
| Beerbelott | Might be worth to burn an up-to-date and let all the good people on Earth spread it through torrents ;) | 05:23 |
| Beerbelott | Well just wanted to point that out. I'll let that matter in more knowledgeable/capable hands | 05:24 |
| Beerbelott | (if it's a problem ofc) | 05:24 |
| gnarface | after auto.mirror.devuan.org got deprecated, all kinds of people who kept using it were complaining of bad mirrors | 05:24 |
| Beerbelott | yup I remember such a mess, I was lost myself :D | 05:24 |
| Beerbelott | I just used the live DVD again so I just wanted to point that out | 05:25 |
| Beerbelott | I am using Devian live Desktop instead of the gparted live DVD as a rescue/partitioning env now :D | 05:25 |
| Beerbelott | full-fledged desktop to kill time while disk operations are undergoing... + Internet access! | 05:25 |
| Beerbelott | Love it :) | 05:26 |
| reubyawn | gnarface, does you hexchat IRC app generate sound? | 05:26 |
| Beerbelott | Well, I'm outta here. Have a nice day/evening/night all | 05:26 |
| reubyawn | Once I got bluetooth to function, Devuan appears Top-Shelf & thanks for the tips, bye | 05:39 |
| Evilham | a misbehaving mirror has been removed from deb.devuan.org, it can take up to 1h to propagate | 11:53 |
| Evilham | just in case someone hits that and comes asking if everything is broken :-) | 11:54 |
| Pyro_Killer | I'm getting an Odroid XU4 in the mail soon, anyone have any experience with the embedded branches of Devuan? | 12:27 |
| Pyro_Killer | Like for example if SSH server is enabled by default | 12:28 |
| JTechno | I'm getting 404 responses while trying to update several machines from deb.devuan.org, is there a problem? | 12:28 |
| Pyro_Killer | have you tried running a sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt update ? | 12:30 |
| JTechno | I get the problem when I run apt-get update | 12:31 |
| Pyro_Killer | Try running an upgrade, then update again | 12:31 |
| Evilham | JTechno: a mirror has been removed from the RR because of this | 12:48 |
| Evilham | it should finish propagating soon (tm) | 12:49 |
| Evilham | Pyro_Killer: you may be better off asking over at #devuan-arm and being patient :-) | 12:54 |
| Evilham | otherwise your request may get lost on this channel | 12:54 |
| Pyro_Killer | Thanks for the heads up, I'll do that | 12:54 |
| jxyzn | hello. is there a Refracta-specific channel, or is this the defacto one? | 17:05 |
| nemo | hm | 17:05 |
| nemo | let's see what alis says | 17:05 |
| nemo | nothing promising | 17:06 |
| nemo | guess this is it | 17:06 |
| jxyzn | ok. thanks. i've been messing about with the dbusless refracta and enjoying it. | 17:06 |
| golinux | jxyzn: You might try here https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=9 | 17:12 |
| jxyzn | thanks golinux. that's where i learned of it originally. :) | 17:13 |
| Bjornn | derivatives, does that mean the same thing as a fork? | 17:16 |
| furrymcgee | I see derivatives as some kind of feature branch and forks more independent of the base | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | jxyzn, you here? | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | brb, gonna make coffee | 17:53 |
| jxyzn | fsmithred: yes | 18:10 |
| fsmithred | hi | 18:10 |
| jxyzn | hulloo | 18:10 |
| fsmithred | you got questions about refracta? | 18:10 |
| jxyzn | nothing specific right now, just wondering where to hang out to keep up on it. | 18:11 |
| fsmithred | here, dev1galaxy.org or debianuserforums.org | 18:11 |
| jxyzn | thanks! | 18:12 |
| fsmithred | also refracta.org - that's where new downloads are going | 18:12 |
| fsmithred | still have old isos and tools at my sourceforge site | 18:12 |
| jxyzn | cool. i'm particularly interested in the nodbus variant. | 18:14 |
| fsmithred | oh, I have ascii and beowulf isos for that | 18:17 |
| jxyzn | google's chrome .deb installs and seeminly runs fine -- if i lie about libappindicator and lsb-release being installed. :) | 18:18 |
| jxyzn | well, remove those from its dpkg/status Depends list. | 18:19 |
| fsmithred | you trust them enough to run their browser? | 18:20 |
| jxyzn | i understand peoples' hesitance, but i, personally, am fine working with Google stuff. | 18:20 |
| fsmithred | I like being uncooperative with them. | 18:22 |
| jxyzn | uBlock Origin makes for a pleasant browsing experience. if Google does eventually block that, then I'll be leaving Chrome behind. | 18:24 |
| Xenguy | If people keep supporting Google, they will eventually pwn the web. Diversity, not monoculture, makes for healthier ecosystems IMHO | 19:46 |
| nemo | Xenguy: oddly enough FOSS doesn't seem to appreciate this | 19:46 |
| nemo | Xenguy: vis ubuntu/github etc | 19:46 |
| Xenguy | It's very odd | 19:46 |
| nemo | and now chrome | 19:46 |
| Xenguy | FF has gotten worse largely unfortunately. There is Waterfox, and also Pale Moon, so it's not over yet. | 19:48 |
| Xenguy | There is also TOR, which is based on FF. | 19:48 |
| Xenguy | er, Tor Browser I mean | 19:48 |
| furrywolf | and despite the recent issue, people still thinking giving mozilla control over their extensions is a good idea. | 19:49 |
| * furrywolf concludes people are the problem | 19:49 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | Google pwn the web now... | 19:50 |
| Xenguy | Just give up Chrome, for a start | 19:51 |
| onefang | I only use Chrome for Google stuff and Facebook, most other stuff I use Pale Moon. | 19:51 |
| Xenguy | I've been using PM at work, and it works for me (though I'm getting more interested in Waterfox lately, now that I found out it runs on Linux also; that, and the attitude of the devs who work on PM) | 19:52 |
| Xenguy | Occasionally I need to use Chromium to deal with sites that have been built for Chrome-only, which seems to be happening somewhat more often nowadays. | 19:53 |
| furrywolf | I only use firefox, even though it's total shit, because at least it's not supporting google. | 19:53 |
| slvr | I use waterfox at work and icecat for home and mobile. | 20:00 |
| furrywolf | how did firefox go from a great idea to total shit that's almost as evil as everyone else? | 20:03 |
| furrywolf | like the latest thing where people found out it still phones home and lets mozilla change things even if you turn off every option that sounds like phoning home or letting mozilla change things. | 20:03 |
| djph | furrywolf: "money" | 20:04 |
| furrywolf | that's the exact same crap microsoft and google do and everyone gets up in in arms over, but they let mozilla off every time? | 20:05 |
| slvr | chasing market share led to one bad choice after another... | 20:05 |
| slvr | DRM made netflix work... more users. | 20:06 |
| furrywolf | the best way to get market share is to offer a fast, stable, functional piece of software. | 20:06 |
| slvr | It's just not a good "tool" anymore for network and web administrators. | 20:06 |
| furrywolf | I can't wait to see what the extension signing screwup does to next month's numbers... | 20:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have never had any issues with FF since FF3 | 20:11 |
| furrywolf | is that because that's when you stopped using it? :P | 20:12 |
| slvr | FF3 was when IE stopped being stuck at 6..... and chrome came along... | 20:13 |
| slvr | I would sure like to see apt-get install icecat work in devuan. | 20:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nope that's when i started using it | 20:28 |
| golinux | Please take it to #debianfork | 20:34 |
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