| cosurgi | took me some time to figure out how to fix the UGLY font in devuan bewulf. There is a lenghty bug report actually: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=867657 after reading it I have the NICE font from devuan ascii. | 12:44 |
|---|---|---|
| cosurgi | holy shit. I couldnt believe that font can be so ugly. | 12:44 |
| * cosurgi added `export FREETYPE_PROPERTIES="truetype:interpreter-version=35"` to ~/.xsession. | 12:45 | |
| [exa] | autohinting problems ftw | 13:14 |
| cosurgi | ehh | 13:14 |
| cosurgi | :) I'm glad I fixed this. | 13:14 |
| cosurgi | I thought my eyes are sick. | 13:14 |
| cosurgi | But a screenshot and zoom in on the screenshot exaplained everything. | 13:15 |
| Guest3597 | Hello World! | 15:34 |
| gnarface | hello indeed | 15:35 |
| Guest3597 | who knows rigth urls for beowulf in sources.list? | 15:38 |
| gnarface | isn't it the same as ascii but with beowulf instead of ascii? | 15:39 |
| Guest3597 | thanx man! | 15:46 |
| [exa] | hm I have a box here | 15:50 |
| [exa] | how brutal (or impossible) is dist-upgrading from debian to devuan? | 15:50 |
| gnarface | it has been done | 15:50 |
| gnarface | how difficult it is depends a lot on how many packages you're using that are tied to systemd | 15:52 |
| gnarface | you might need to uninstall stuff like your window manager, your running kernel, udev | 15:53 |
| gnarface | before replacing them with other stuff | 15:53 |
| drawkula | make a backup, and an other backup ;-) and a packages list, then "orphaner -a" away as much stuff as you dare, transgrade to devuan, look thru the packages list and reinstall what you need. most configs should survive that process... but wait until I'm unreachable on mars before doing this... ;-) ...otherwise I may get a problem? | 16:00 |
| onefang | There's no Devuan mirrors on Mars, will you create one for us? B-) | 16:03 |
| drawkula | so far I did that only on cubietrucks and with debian9/devuan2 but I'm thinking about retrying this on PSs with deb10/dev3 | 16:04 |
| drawkula | onefang: there is no multimedia in mars... I can get along with plan9 there :-P | 16:04 |
| drawkula | PS->PI | 16:05 |
| drawkula | hmmm... having a command to catch some configs as debs would be nice... | 16:26 |
| drawkula | so needing a deb skeleton and commands to add files to that installed deb | 16:27 |
| drawkula | live modifyable deb | 16:27 |
| drawkula | that has to ferment a while longer | 16:28 |
| drawkula | :-) | 16:28 |
| debdog | ascii, fresh install with default DE xfce4. not able to select background images because selecting files in the Select File dialogue is grayed out: http://beggabaur.rocks/Bilder/Bildschirmfoto_2019-07-21_16-34-41.png | 16:39 |
| debdog | no clue what's happening. even inside $HOME | 16:40 |
| debdog | I want to access /usr/share/images/desktop-base/ how do I do that? | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | debdog, you can only select directories there. | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | Then you can choose a file. | 16:55 |
| debdog | I can't even select a directory, fsmithred | 17:00 |
| drawkula | maybe the one you looking into is interpretet as the selected one? | 17:01 |
| debdog | my bad, I meant I cannot select a directory there | 17:01 |
| drawkula | permission problem? | 17:02 |
| debdog | no clue what's happening. even inside $HOME *I am not able to click on anything | 17:03 |
| debdog | hmm, elogind is installed. removing it... | 17:04 |
| drawkula | does that hurt? | 17:09 |
| debdog | after restarting xfce it jumped to /usr/share/images/desktop-base automatically again. however, still not able to click on anything inside there | 17:10 |
| debdog | drawkula: no clue | 17:10 |
| drawkula | ^L ? | 17:11 |
| drawkula | type a path | 17:11 |
| debdog | it's not my laptop, I don't want to give it back without being able to do simple things like chosing a desktop background | 17:11 |
| debdog | where? | 17:11 |
| drawkula | in that fileselevtor | 17:11 |
| drawkula | set a solid black background and don't mention that it could look different :-P | 17:12 |
| debdog | I mean, does it work for everyone else? | 17:12 |
| drawkula | It looked the same on my beowulf-cubie | 17:13 |
| debdog | effin modern GUI stuff does not seem to have the option to actually enter a path | 17:13 |
| drawkula | aaaaaaaber | 17:15 |
| drawkula | select "andere" | 17:15 |
| drawkula | then the subdirs of HOME are selectable | 17:15 |
| debdog | yes, that's when I get said dialogue | 17:16 |
| debdog | ok, so it's only me | 17:16 |
| debdog | also, in Jessie there were some nice backgrounds, now there's just crap | 17:17 |
| debdog | when did computers bacome so annoying and depressing | 17:17 |
| debdog | the whole xfce4 theme is so ugly, like win95 just more depressing | 17:18 |
| drawkula | http://yeti.freeshell.org/trash/20190721-151747-GMT__4_debdog.png | 17:20 |
| debdog | hehe, if you attempt to make me even more depressed, that just worked | 17:21 |
| drawkula | YW | 17:21 |
| debdog | funny ting, earlier, before that fresh ascii install, I've had an ascii upgraded from jessie and hat the same problem | 17:21 |
| debdog | *thsat had | 17:21 |
| drawkula | select: Ordner -> Andere | 17:21 |
| debdog | yes | 17:21 |
| debdog | that's what I click on | 17:22 |
| drawkula | upgrade to beo-ulf :-P | 17:22 |
| debdog | and then that dialogue opens up where I am not able to anything inside the 'Name' block | 17:22 |
| debdog | haha | 17:22 |
| debdog | *to click on | 17:23 |
| drawkula | mömang... guggischmaa in ascii-VM | 17:23 |
| drawkula | trash/20190721-151747-GM... was from real cubie3+beo_ulf | 17:24 |
| drawkula | reläxxx | 17:25 |
| drawkula | same probmen in ascii+xfce-VM | 17:25 |
| drawkula | U R not halucinating! | 17:25 |
| drawkula | sorry... | 17:25 |
| debdog | ok, so upgrading to beo-ulf might solve that issue? was thinking 'bout upgrading anyway | 17:26 |
| debdog | haha, like that | 17:26 |
| debdog | you've got to change your nick | 17:26 |
| drawkula | probably devuan3 is near enough to call it stable already | 17:26 |
| debdog | or at least include that for nick highlight | 17:26 |
| drawkula | maybe there is a solution | 17:27 |
| debdog | hehe | 17:27 |
| beo_ulf | has ti be underscore... because "I BUY A W!!!!" | 17:28 |
| debdog | I have no clue where even to look for a solution... xfce-desktop-something-prog, xfce, the underlying libs? | 17:31 |
| beo_ulf | 15:31:19 -- | NickServ (NickServ@services.): Nick beo_ulf is now registered to your account. | 17:32 |
| beo_ulf | :-D | 17:32 |
| beo_ulf | ok? | 17:32 |
| debdog | *thumbsup* | 17:33 |
| beo_ulf | adding to highlighting still to be done | 17:33 |
| beo_ulf | I'm screwed up by sound mixxers on those beo_ulf cubies | 17:35 |
| beo_ulf | alsamixer looks different than before | 17:35 |
| beo_ulf | but the version is the same as on ascii | 17:35 |
| beo_ulf | I just dont get it... | 17:35 |
| beo_ulf | but the really important stuff works | 17:35 |
| beo_ulf | on an ideapad s10 i'm only using xfce's sound-clicky-coloured stuff and it works without confusing me | 17:36 |
| * beo_ulf wants back the debian3 days... when everything was simple and 16M RAM were enough... | 17:37 | |
| debdog | I second thata | 17:38 |
| beo_ulf | pre-KDE/GNOME days | 17:38 |
| beo_ulf | \o/ | 17:38 |
| debdog | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=822761 | 17:44 |
| beo_ulf | meh! weechat.look.highlight would need every additional nick explicitely... ditching this... only highlighting the active one | 17:44 |
| debdog | better that one: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=822761#10 | 17:44 |
| debdog | so might be solved in beowulf | 17:45 |
| beo_ulf | it is! | 17:45 |
| debdog | all righty then, fingers crossed... | 17:46 |
| beo_ulf | I didnt noticew that bug because I typically either leave the default xor switch to plain black background | 17:46 |
| beo_ulf | Q: what happens next friday for the 20th time? | 17:49 |
| beo_ulf | A: https://sysadminday.com/ | 17:49 |
| beo_ulf | hug your sysad! or such... | 17:49 |
| debdog | als, neat eselsbrücke on the spelling of beowUlf | 17:50 |
| beo_ulf | took a while for me too... previously I mistyped it as beowoulf | 17:50 |
| beo_ulf | or other mishaps | 17:51 |
| golinux | debdog: What's depressing about ascii desktop: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/ascii_desktop.png | 17:52 |
| debdog | golinux: sorry, I just find it darkish depressing colour sheme | 17:53 |
| debdog | where is all the light blue and greenish gone? | 17:54 |
| golinux | Might be your monitor. Beowulf is has more color: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2646 | 17:54 |
| debdog | could be related to my monitor settings, doubt it, thouhg | 17:54 |
| golinux | Could be your color perception too. | 17:55 |
| debdog | true | 17:55 |
| * beo_ulf doesnt care much... most of my screen always is covered by xterms with black background... | 17:55 | |
| debdog | but why not just keep the old ones during upgrades? | 17:55 |
| * debdog doesn't really care either. | 17:56 | |
| golinux | I thought they were still there. There are still in our gitlab | 17:56 |
| beo_ulf | packaged backgrounds sure get upgraded | 17:57 |
| beo_ulf | personal ones not | 17:57 |
| golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/tree/master/graphics/backgrounds/jessie | 17:58 |
| debdog | maybe they are, somewhere. wait, after the upgrade from jessie to ascii I've had a problem setting backgrounds because there were two monitors connected | 17:58 |
| debdog | and other issues. so I've decided to do a clean ascii install | 17:58 |
| debdog | Aktueller Status: 1381 (+1381) upgradable, 56195 (+56195) new. | 17:58 |
| debdog | here we go... | 17:58 |
| debdog | and pulseaudio is going to be re-installed again | 17:59 |
| beo_ulf | after "apt-get dist-upgrade" look into "aptitude" for more stuff... | 18:00 |
| debdog | OTOH apulse is available as pckage now \o/ | 18:01 |
| * debdog did an aptitude dist-upgrade | 18:01 | |
| debdog | or 'does' | 18:01 |
| debdog | 15% | 18:02 |
| debdog | btw. are there beowulf install DVDs available yet? even beta ones | 18:02 |
| beo_ulf | maybe you can test the beowulf theme? | 18:02 |
| beo_ulf | not ones I know of | 18:03 |
| debdog | I cannot remember the name of that guy that sleughtered beowulf | 18:03 |
| debdog | *laugh* | 18:04 |
| beo_ulf | I dont who slaughtered whom... in that story... | 18:04 |
| debdog | hehe, meant *slaughter | 18:04 |
| beo_ulf | beowulf & grendel? | 18:04 |
| debdog | grendel, right | 18:04 |
| debdog | mayhap I mix up stuff | 18:04 |
| beo_ulf | long ago... even when counting debian releases | 18:05 |
| gnarface | beowulf is the hero in that story | 18:05 |
| beo_ulf | :-Þ | 18:05 |
| debdog | ahh | 18:05 |
| debdog | dang | 18:05 |
| debdog | :D | 18:05 |
| beo_ulf | bet on there being a new interpretation where grendel is a misunderstood SJW... | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | no official beowulf insttaller isos yet | 18:11 |
| fsmithred | there is a mini.iso | 18:11 |
| debdog | k | 18:11 |
| fsmithred | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ | 18:12 |
| fsmithred | if you want more control, don't install the desktop from the installer | 18:13 |
| debdog | oh? | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | add the parts later | 18:13 |
| debdog | ahh, right | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | task-xfce-desktop and other task packages are not ready | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | and even when they are, they pull stuff in and it | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | i's | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | it's hard to remove pieces | 18:14 |
| fsmithred | sorry, using a rubber keybaord | 18:14 |
| debdog | ok, so prolly won't try that, thanks | 18:14 |
| fsmithred | you want xfce? | 18:14 |
| debdog | actually I am just looking for a nice DE for a linux beginner | 18:14 |
| debdog | and since xfce is the default one, I thought it might be ok | 18:15 |
| fsmithred | if they have an older computerr, I'd lean toward xfce | 18:15 |
| debdog | fujits siemens laptop from 2009 | 18:16 |
| debdog | +u | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | it works the way everyone expects a generic desktop to work | 18:16 |
| debdog | yah, that was what I thought. it just looks so depressing, colour wise | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | oh, default xfce is fugly | 18:17 |
| debdog | hehe | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | and debian never improves on it | 18:17 |
| debdog | lol | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | but you can mess with it. | 18:17 |
| beo_ulf | switching to a black background helps a lot | 18:17 |
| beo_ulf | :-D | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | well, trust me on that one | 18:17 |
| beo_ulf | or try flames! | 18:18 |
| debdog | flames? | 18:18 |
| debdog | upgrade almost done | 18:18 |
| debdog | flame thrower debugged? | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | you're upgrading to beowulf after a default ascii desktop install? | 18:19 |
| debdog | right | 18:20 |
| fsmithred | I'll stick around | 18:20 |
| debdog | to avoid bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=822761#10 | 18:20 |
| beo_ulf | did that 2 times in the last days... but on armhf... | 18:20 |
| debdog | so much for 'messingwith it' :D | 18:20 |
| beo_ulf | https://d2gg9evh47fn9z.cloudfront.net/800px_COLOURBOX2259976.jpg | 18:23 |
| fsmithred | it's not an easy upgrade right now | 18:23 |
| beo_ulf | at least for winter | 18:23 |
| beo_ulf | .-) | 18:23 |
| fsmithred | on one upgrade I had to get rid of desktop-base to proceed | 18:23 |
| debdog | desktop-base is just artwork and such. | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | and if you get stuck with libelogind0/libsystemd0 conflict, try aptitude | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | it seems to solve it easier than apt or apt-get | 18:26 |
| debdog | yah, aptitude is my standard | 18:27 |
| beo_ulf | apt-get left over 3 packages with elogind stuff... | 18:31 |
| beo_ulf | i fixed that with aptitude | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | Ive done that with and without aptitude | 18:31 |
| beo_ulf | typically I run apt-get 1st and let it do what it can and check that with aptitrudi later | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | easieer with | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | beo_ulf, your way seems to work pretty well | 18:32 |
| beo_ulf | starting with aptitude often is more confusing | 18:33 |
| beo_ulf | too many options | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | takes a long time for aptitude to calculate the full upgrade | 18:33 |
| beo_ulf | and often asks for a lot conflict solving | 18:33 |
| beo_ulf | does someone remember debian's pre-apt (dpkg only) days? | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | I remember using dselect | 18:36 |
| beo_ulf | training for heroes | 18:37 |
| beo_ulf | :-) | 18:37 |
| beo_ulf | ping debdog # woof? | 19:00 |
| debdog | ? | 19:01 |
| debdog | still upgrading | 19:01 |
| beo_ulf | \o/ | 19:01 |
| debdog | slow HDD, I suppose | 19:01 |
| beo_ulf | my 1st cubie upgrade lasted houuuuurs | 19:01 |
| beo_ulf | for the 2nd one I killed lots of *-dev.debs | 19:02 |
| debdog | haha, I hope this laptop is a tad more powerful | 19:02 |
| beo_ulf | that helped a lot! | 19:02 |
| beo_ulf | cubie3 = 2 * 1GHz 32-bit-ARM | 19:02 |
| * beo_ulf still has 2 more of them to install... at least I decided *today* that they will get debian10 | 19:03 | |
| beo_ulf | 2 with devian3 and 2 with debian10 will allow comparing the systems when hiccups show up | 19:04 |
| beo_ulf | I think that's a good feature | 19:04 |
| debdog | Aktueller Status: 1 (-1380) upgradable. | 19:05 |
| beo_ulf | I had to DL ~750MB of debs for the upgrade... | 19:06 |
| beo_ulf | a bit less for the 2nd | 19:06 |
| beo_ulf | 640 or such | 19:06 |
| beo_ulf | but it was noticebly faster | 19:06 |
| beo_ulf | same board, same µSD card type & vendor, ... only lots of *-dev.debs more left on the 1st one | 19:07 |
| beo_ulf | maybe the packages database doesnt cache well between packages installs | 19:08 |
| beo_ulf | we need systemd.debpkgcache | 19:08 |
| beo_ulf | :-Þ | 19:08 |
| beo_ulf | runing as thread of PID 1 !!! | 19:09 |
| beo_ulf | 'nuff! | 19:09 |
| debdog | ok, desktop background stuff seems to work now. will do some more testing... | 19:28 |
| debdog | root@amilo:/home/simon# echo $PATH | 19:36 |
| debdog | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games | 19:36 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you need to do 'su -' for root to have root's path | 19:37 |
| fsmithred | and then you can't run root apps from user's desktop | 19:37 |
| debdog | uhm, what?! | 19:37 |
| fsmithred | do you run 'su' and then run something as root from the terminal? | 19:38 |
| fsmithred | starting in buster/beowulf you now would need to use full path to start it | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | try it | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | su | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | then run blkid or fdisk -l | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | command not found | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | then run /sbin/blkid | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | it works | 19:39 |
| debdog | *speechless* | 19:40 |
| fsmithred | to run synaptic, /usr/sbin/synaptic | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | not sure wtf use root has for games | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | I think you're supposed to only start root stuff with pkexec now | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | and the pkexec docs say not to use it for grraphical apps | 19:42 |
| debdog | you're just depressing me more | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | sorry | 19:42 |
| debdog | hehe | 19:42 |
| debdog | well, gotta drill a hole in there by allowing root ssh access and X11 forwarding | 19:43 |
| debdog | which sucks, but... wtf?! | 19:43 |
| debdog | when will ist stop? | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | why not ssh as user then switch to root | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | ? | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | I put the following in root's .bashrc | 19:44 |
| debdog | thats what I do atm | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 19:44 |
| debdog | yah, I'll have to do that as well | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | I find x11vnc over ssh to work better than ssh -X | 19:45 |
| debdog | I am talking about just running one GUI prog as root | 19:45 |
| debdog | ssh root@localhost --> gparted for example | 19:46 |
| fsmithred | that sounds scary to me | 19:47 |
| fsmithred | what happens to the partitioning if you lose ssh connection in the middle of it? | 19:47 |
| beo_ulf | factor is in games | 19:47 |
| debdog | ssh onto localhost is not very likely to lose connection | 19:48 |
| beo_ulf | and that sometimes is usefull for splitting filesizes in count * blocksize | 19:48 |
| debdog | I've done two upgrades today via ssh | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | oh, duh. I didn't notice that | 19:48 |
| debdog | on another machine | 19:48 |
| debdog | and not loclahost | 19:48 |
| beo_ulf | localhorst | 19:48 |
| beo_ulf | .-) | 19:49 |
| * beo_ulf rolls his debs als localdepp@localnet but that's too multilingual I think | 19:49 | |
| beo_ulf | I gave my user all the sbin dirs too | 19:50 |
| beo_ulf | I don't see a reason not to... | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | if you fix root's path, you can just su and run gparted | 19:50 |
| debdog | root@amilo:~# gparted | 19:51 |
| debdog | (gpartedbin:5316): Gtk-WARNING **: 19:51:16.134: cannot open display: | 19:51 |
| debdog | no | 19:51 |
| debdog | maybe I am missing something? | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | log root out and in after the edit? | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | or source the file | 19:52 |
| debdog | the path is not the issue here | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | did you su or su - ? | 19:53 |
| debdog | root@amilo:~# /usr/sbin/gparted | 19:53 |
| debdog | (gpartedbin:5384): Gtk-WARNING **: 19:53:00.709: cannot open display: | 19:53 |
| debdog | su - atm, I think | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | yeah, so you got root's env | 19:53 |
| debdog | yes, it was su - | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | log out and use su | 19:53 |
| debdog | but still cannot run GUI progs | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | and you keep some of user's env | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | should be able to | 19:54 |
| debdog | hehe, should™ | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | I do it here often | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | been testing that to fix the disappearing scrollbars | 19:55 |
| fsmithred | in synaptic | 19:55 |
| debdog | mayhap my .xsessionsomething needs an entry | 19:55 |
| beo_ulf | I thought for years synaptic were my touchpad... >:-) | 19:55 |
| debdog | hrrhrr | 19:56 |
| debdog | *.Xresources | 19:57 |
| beo_ulf | ssh -X root@cubietruck1 xterm # from notebook to cubie works without special config | 20:02 |
| debdog | yes | 20:02 |
| cyteen__ | cd .. | 20:03 |
| debdog | except configure ssh server to allow root login | 20:03 |
| beo_ulf | psssssst... | 20:04 |
| beo_ulf | my way of doing backups needs this | 20:05 |
| beo_ulf | but don't tell that to the kids... | 20:05 |
| * beo_ulf needs to re-view sledge hammer... " Trust me I know what I'm doing. " | 20:08 | |
| * debdog is the client https://i.imgur.com/fyQnpfj.gifv | 20:14 | |
| beo_ulf | .-) | 20:19 |
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