| _abc_ | hash -r helps sometimes | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| _abc_ | without reboot | 00:01 |
| twistedfate | I almost installed & setup everything | 00:03 |
| twistedfate | but I still don't have sound | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | how are you testing sound? | 00:03 |
| twistedfate | by playing a video file | 00:03 |
| _abc_ | Are you on ALSA or on Poettring audio? | 00:04 |
| _abc_ | +e | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | in vlc or firefox or something else? | 00:04 |
| twistedfate | fsmithred: mpv | 00:04 |
| twistedfate | i think i'm on alsa this time | 00:04 |
| _abc_ | are you? lsmod |grep snd shows something? | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | dpkg -l | grep pulse | 00:05 |
| fsmithred | should just show some libraries | 00:05 |
| twistedfate | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e6ebfd6d/ | 00:05 |
| twistedfate | oh it's installed | 00:05 |
| twistedfate | drat | 00:05 |
| _abc_ | apt-get installs packages even if they conflict with another right? | 00:07 |
| fsmithred | aptitude why pulseaudio | 00:07 |
| twistedfate | debdog: i just installed devuan ceres and i don't have sound again, lol | 00:08 |
| twistedfate | i just purged pulseaudio, halp :D | 00:08 |
| debdog | twistedfate: same 'puter? run alsa-info.sh again | 00:09 |
| _abc_ | I had no trouble purging pulse and installing alsa | 00:09 |
| twistedfate | debdog: same pooter, ye :D | 00:09 |
| _abc_ | on ascii | 00:09 |
| twistedfate | but i don't have alsa-info.sh | 00:10 |
| twistedfate | for some reason | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | aplay -l | 00:10 |
| debdog | twistedfate: do you need HDMI sound or can we get id of it entirely? | 00:10 |
| twistedfate | debdog: don't need it, don't want it :D | 00:10 |
| twistedfate | (for now) xD | 00:10 |
| _abc_ | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart might/should fix it? | 00:10 |
| debdog | there are two ways (I am aware of right now): block HDMI or set the other one as default | 00:10 |
| debdog | which one should it be? twistedfate | 00:11 |
| twistedfate | debdog: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/5d9c3b6d/ | 00:11 |
| twistedfate | alsa-info ^ | 00:11 |
| twistedfate | debdog: let's set the other one as default | 00:12 |
| twistedfate | the good one | 00:12 |
| twistedfate | the working one :D | 00:12 |
| debdog | ok, gimme some time to pick some info from the script | 00:12 |
| _abc_ | Porcessor: unknown:: is this a vm? | 00:12 |
| twistedfate | _abc_: no, it's a new Ryzen 5 3600, probably not fully supported yet | 00:13 |
| twistedfate | t'was released this July | 00:13 |
| debdog | twistedfate: same as before, create said file. | 00:13 |
| debdog | well, either ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf | 00:13 |
| debdog | same content | 00:13 |
| debdog | also, do not forget to install apulse | 00:14 |
| twistedfate | debdog: forgive me, my memory is crap, what do i need to add to that file? | 00:14 |
| debdog | defaults.ctl.!card Generic | 00:14 |
| debdog | defaults.pcm.!card Generic | 00:14 |
| twistedfate | and any personal preference between asoundrc or asound.conf? | 00:14 |
| twistedfate | why is apulse needed? | 00:14 |
| debdog | rc is per user, conf is system-wide | 00:14 |
| twistedfate | conf it is | 00:15 |
| debdog | apulse is for the progrs that still require pulseaudio. except it's a plugin for alsa and not an entire server runnning upon alsa | 00:15 |
| twistedfate | got it | 00:15 |
| twistedfate | done all of it | 00:15 |
| twistedfate | sounnd works now! | 00:16 |
| debdog | https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse#about | 00:16 |
| twistedfate | debdog: <3 <3 <3 | 00:16 |
| debdog | \ΓΈ/ | 00:16 |
| _abc_ | great | 00:16 |
| twistedfate | you sir are a gentleman! | 00:16 |
| debdog | oops -lol | 00:16 |
| debdog | *meant \o/ | 00:16 |
| debdog | np, just glad I could be of any help, for once | 00:16 |
| * _abc_ is half asleep, 1:20AM here | 00:17 | |
| debdog | hehe | 00:17 |
| twistedfate | same here | 00:17 |
| * debdog is one hour behind | 00:17 | |
| twistedfate | only it's 12:17AM | 00:17 |
| _abc_ | ddrescue is a sneaky as the Whirlp* washing machine with AI we have. Lies about ETA all the time. Think Windows progress bar. | 00:17 |
| _abc_ | I think our AM is different from your AM by about 10 time zone hours. | 00:18 |
| debdog | ohhh, am | 00:18 |
| _abc_ | 0121 in 24h system | 00:19 |
| debdog | hehe | 00:19 |
| debdog | wait, what | 00:19 |
| debdog | yah, so I am one hour behind | 00:19 |
| debdog | <-- dshermany | 00:20 |
| _abc_ | Yeah I am further East. | 00:20 |
| twistedfate | is there an easy way to install everything mesa? | 00:20 |
| twistedfate | and i386? | 00:20 |
| twistedfate | erm, bothj 32bit and 64bit | 00:20 |
| _abc_ | mesa gl or accelerated? | 00:20 |
| twistedfate | both* | 00:20 |
| _abc_ | accel requires the exact driver for the hw you have | 00:21 |
| _abc_ | Is nouveau the thing to use with Ryzen gpu's? | 00:21 |
| TwistedFate | no | 00:21 |
| TwistedFate | it's for nvidia | 00:21 |
| debdog | no meta package that I am aware of | 00:21 |
| stovepipe | fbdev | 00:22 |
| stovepipe | vega graphics "just work" with kernel 4.17 and above | 00:22 |
| _abc_ | Is AMD linux friendly nowadays? | 00:23 |
| gnarface | yes, they try | 00:23 |
| TwistedFate | more friendly than others | 00:23 |
| gnarface | they still hold some proprietary firmware close to their chest | 00:23 |
| specing | _abc_: get IBM | 00:23 |
| _abc_ | binary blobs are a fact of life | 00:23 |
| gnarface | but they try to make the open source parts work nice with kernel DRI | 00:23 |
| specing | _abc_: no | 00:23 |
| specing | IBM went fully open with firmware | 00:23 |
| specing | even the microcode is free | 00:23 |
| _abc_ | specing: ibm? ibm just bought rh and is going to make everything a dockable service | 00:23 |
| specing | Yes, IBM | 00:24 |
| specing | IBM POWER9 processors | 00:24 |
| gnarface | it actually matters a lot that AMD is pooling support on mesa and kernel native hardware accelerated rendering API stuff (unlike NVidia's strategy of just driving a truck through the side of anything they don't like) | 00:24 |
| _abc_ | Oh, ok. Run devuan on an AS400? | 00:24 |
| specing | raptorcs is making server and workstation boards for them | 00:24 |
| _abc_ | Actually AS400 did not use powerpc. Not sure now. /me is really sleepy and just makes noise now. | 00:26 |
| _abc_ | Oh yes it did. | 00:26 |
| _abc_ | Something is definitely off with the kernel here. | 00:29 |
| _abc_ | 3 different devices on 2 buses have buffer problems when large amounts of data are moved in io. flash devices on USB and internal SD card reader (Ricoh) | 00:29 |
| _abc_ | Using direct io makes it work fine | 00:29 |
| TwistedFate | i'm rusty with devuan, do I need to enable multiarch for both 32bit and 64bit or I just need to install foo:i386? | 00:29 |
| gnarface | presumably amd64 is the one you already have | 00:30 |
| gnarface | so you need to just add the i386 arch, then run "apt-get update" again for the :i386 versions of everything to show up | 00:30 |
| TwistedFate | where do I add i386 arch? | 00:31 |
| gnarface | dpkg --add-architecture i386 | 00:32 |
| debdog | apt-get update | 00:32 |
| debdog | gnarface beat me to it | 00:32 |
| gnarface | dpkg --print-architecture && dpkg --print-foreign-architectures | 00:33 |
| debdog | for future reference: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO#Usage | 00:33 |
| TwistedFate | amd64 | 00:33 |
| TwistedFate | i386 | 00:33 |
| gnarface | ah yea, the debian wiki is a good place to look for references on this type of thing | 00:33 |
| TwistedFate | what the heck O_o | 00:40 |
| TwistedFate | bash: usermod: command not found | 00:40 |
| debdog | "su -" (wild guess) | 00:41 |
| slvr_ | it's in /sbin or /usr/sbin | 00:41 |
| slvr_ | to fix it for a session do PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH | 00:42 |
| slvr_ | why they no longer do that by default is probably above my pay grade. | 00:42 |
| TwistedFate | debdog: i tried it as root | 00:43 |
| slvr_ | check your path as root | 00:43 |
| slvr_ | echo $PATH | 00:44 |
| TwistedFate | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games | 00:44 |
| slvr_ | ok now run PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH | 00:44 |
| slvr_ | suddenly things will be sane and work again. | 00:44 |
| debdog | oh my, wasn't aware it became so complicated | 00:45 |
| TwistedFate | thanks | 00:47 |
| TwistedFate | Steam installed, gonna install a game to try it out | 00:48 |
| TwistedFate | i'd feel much safer though, if i could somehow check my CPU temperatures | 00:49 |
| TwistedFate | sensors doesn't show it for some reason :/ | 00:49 |
| gnarface | apt-get install lm-sensors && sudo sensors-detect | 00:50 |
| gnarface | er, sudo for both of them | 00:50 |
| gnarface | you know what i meant | 00:50 |
| gnarface | (as root) | 00:50 |
| slvr_ | oh god. so debian broke the path because they are Very Smarter than users, and left a config file option to revert it. 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/login.defs should fix su properly. | 00:51 |
| TwistedFate | bash: sensors-detect: command not found | 00:51 |
| slvr_ | It'd be cool if devuan could set that by default so as to be more user friendly. | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | slvr_, have you tried that? | 00:52 |
| slvr_ | nope | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | I just put the path in root's .bashrc | 00:52 |
| slvr_ | does it work when you run su normally? | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | yes | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | and you keep enough of the user's environment to run graphical apps | 00:53 |
| slvr_ | good to know. I tried in ~root/.profile and it did not. | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna try the login.defs fix | 00:53 |
| TwistedFate | /usr/sbin/sensors-detect worked | 00:54 |
| TwistedFate | i'm guessing i'd have to reboot in order for that path thingy to take effect | 00:58 |
| slvr_ | log out log in | 00:58 |
| debdog | or source .bashrc | 00:59 |
| fsmithred | adding that line to /etc/login.defs works. (Yes, you have to add it. It's not there.) | 01:16 |
| fsmithred | sorry that took so long - qemu keeps trashing my image file | 01:17 |
| gnarface | this is on ceres you're looking at fsmithred? | 01:20 |
| gnarface | or did they actually do this to ascii? | 01:21 |
| gnarface | er, beowulf? | 01:21 |
| debdog | ascii has it, tto, I just found out | 01:21 |
| gnarface | wtf? | 01:21 |
| gnarface | that's just rude | 01:21 |
| debdog | so, someone ended up creating login.defs because profile wasn't enough? | 01:21 |
| gnarface | why even change how it works? | 01:21 |
| debdog | # /etc/login.defs - Configuration control definitions for the login package. | 01:22 |
| debdog | login package? what is that | 01:22 |
| gnarface | heh | 01:22 |
| debdog | pam shit, it seems | 01:22 |
| fsmithred | beowulf | 01:22 |
| gnarface | it's the thing that logs you in | 01:22 |
| fsmithred | but it's the same | 01:23 |
| fsmithred | shouldn't be in ascii | 01:23 |
| debdog | cat /etc/devuan_version | 01:23 |
| debdog | ascii | 01:23 |
| debdog | l /etc/login.defs | 01:24 |
| debdog | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10477 Mai 17 2017 /etc/login.defs | 01:24 |
| fsmithred | oh, I thought you meant the PATH problem was in ascii | 01:27 |
| debdog | ahh, no, just that file. never heard of it before today | 01:28 |
| fsmithred | I've got it in jessie and wheezy | 01:28 |
| debdog | well, if it is pam related, it really might be old | 01:29 |
| TwistedFate | huh, weird, after reboot i no longer have sound | 01:29 |
| TwistedFate | and that $PATH thingy doesn't work | 01:29 |
| fsmithred | what did you do? | 01:30 |
| TwistedFate | and sensors still show same scarce info | 01:30 |
| TwistedFate | PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH | 01:30 |
| debdog | alsa-utils is installed? TwistedFate | 01:30 |
| TwistedFate | slvr_: ^ | 01:30 |
| TwistedFate | debdog: yes | 01:30 |
| debdog | run that alsa-info thingy again | 01:32 |
| TwistedFate | debdog: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f39f871f/ | 01:33 |
| debdog | TwistedFate: sorry, cannot find anything why it shouldn't work on a quick glance | 01:36 |
| TwistedFate | hold on | 01:37 |
| TwistedFate | now it works | 01:37 |
| TwistedFate | wtf | 01:37 |
| debdog | asound.conf is still there and mixer settings seem ok, too. | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | put that ^^^ in /root/.bashrc | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | or edit login.defs | 01:38 |
| TwistedFate | dunno if it's the newer mesa or kernel or this new ryzen, but Left 4 Dead 2 runs much smoother | 01:45 |
| TwistedFate | constantly above 200 FPS | 01:45 |
| TwistedFate | debdog: help :/ | 13:18 |
| TwistedFate | my microphone doesn't work now :S | 13:18 |
| debdog | TwistedFate: where did you plug it in, front or back? | 13:24 |
| debdog | if it's an usb-mic you prolly have to tell the software to use this hardware | 13:26 |
| debdog | make sure mixer control 'Input Source 0' is set to the plug your mic is connected to | 13:33 |
| debdog | and 'Front Mic' and/or 'Rear Mic' is not muted and open | 13:34 |
| debdog | that's in alsamixer --> F4 | 13:34 |
| debdog | sorry, g2g right now, will be back in 'bout six hours or so | 13:35 |
| TwistedFate | debdog: back | 13:38 |
| TwistedFate | standard MIC jack | 13:38 |
| TwistedFate | debdog: this is what i currently have https://i.imgur.com/on7NFPL.png | 13:47 |
| TwistedFate | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ce9ff1b9/ alsa info | 13:48 |
| fsmithred | TwistedFate, your mic is plugged into the rear? | 14:08 |
| TwistedFate | fsmithred: ye | 14:14 |
| fsmithred | you could try switching to front, in case the labels are reversed. I've seen that (once). | 14:22 |
| FlibberTGibbet | hi, how can i tell if i've successfully purged system and am running sysv instead? is pid #1 '/init' healthy?? | 15:21 |
| FlibberTGibbet | and if mangling devuan 10 into Devuan, is it 'beowulf' in sources.list? | 15:22 |
| FlibberTGibbet | sorry, Debian 10 into Devuan | 15:22 |
| FlibberTGibbet | ah. well. appears to work. Devuan in WSL :D | 15:37 |
| brutser | trying to follow this guide: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/minimal-xfce-install < get .xsession-errors > https://transfer.sh/I7Ojg/xsession-errors.log < what additional packages do i need to get rid of most crucial ones? < i can boot to xfce desktop, just during boot i get a big white square on top of black for 30-4 | 15:54 |
| brutser | 0secs, then some flickering into the xfce desktop < and those xsession errors | 15:54 |
| brutser | i need minimal install for low resources system | 15:54 |
| TwistedFate | debdog: highlight me when you see this | 20:39 |
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