| buZz | alright, ~something broke around cheese , related to gstreamer-plugins-bad | 00:41 |
|---|---|---|
| buZz | nuking all of that made it continue the dist-upgrade | 00:42 |
| fsmithred | sometimes aptitude will give you better options | 00:42 |
| buZz | hmhm, yeah | 00:42 |
| buZz | i should get used to doing dist-upgrade in that :) | 00:42 |
| fsmithred | when I did it a month ago, I used apt, apt-get and aptitude. It wasn't so easy then. | 00:45 |
| buZz | ooo beowulf has wine 4.2 :D | 00:47 |
| buZz | alright! the last stubborn ones are ; | 00:57 |
| buZz | The following packages have been kept back: | 00:57 |
| buZz | elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | now's a good time to try aptitude. Use -s to see what it will do. | 00:57 |
| buZz | aptitude says These packages could be upgraded, but they have been kept in their current state to avoid breaking dependencies. | 00:59 |
| fsmithred | which deps? | 00:59 |
| buZz | is elogind always i386? | 01:00 |
| fsmithred | no | 01:01 |
| fsmithred | what version do you see? | 01:01 |
| buZz | ooo, there's two libelogind0's available? 234.4-2 and 241.3-1 | 01:03 |
| buZz | elogind 234.4-2 and elogind:i386 241.3-1 <-- eh ? | 01:03 |
| fsmithred | yeah. There's a problem with some packages not at the same version between 32 and 64 | 01:03 |
| fsmithred | and people with multiarch enabled are running into this | 01:04 |
| buZz | eh libsystemd0:i386 241-5 | 01:04 |
| buZz | yeah i got multiarch for steam reason | 01:04 |
| buZz | s | 01:04 |
| buZz | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libpam-elogind:amd64: | 01:05 |
| buZz | libpolkit-qt5-1-1:amd64 depends on libpam-systemd; however: | 01:05 |
| buZz | bwa | 01:05 |
| fsmithred | elogind 234.4-2 and elogind:i386 241.3-1 <-- I see this in amd64. The first is the one that's installed and the second is the one that's available. I'll try an upgrade. | 01:06 |
| buZz | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 01:07 |
| buZz | libapt-pkg5.0 : Depends: libsystemd0 (>= 221) | 01:07 |
| buZz | oi | 01:07 |
| buZz | :P | 01:07 |
| buZz | i got the amd64 side updated properly now i think | 01:08 |
| buZz | yeah \o apt upgrade now gives 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 01:08 |
| fsmithred | I got the same error: held back | 01:09 |
| fsmithred | with apt and apt-get | 01:09 |
| fsmithred | aptitude offered to remove libsystemd0 and I accepted | 01:09 |
| fsmithred | (I didn't even know it was there) | 01:09 |
| buZz | :D | 01:10 |
| buZz | seems grub needs some love aswell | 01:10 |
| buZz | grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. | 01:10 |
| buZz | grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists. | 01:10 |
| fsmithred | uefi or bios boot? gpt or msdos partition table? | 01:11 |
| buZz | dos partitions , uefi boot | 01:11 |
| buZz | (i think) | 01:11 |
| buZz | been a while since i saw it boot :P | 01:11 |
| fsmithred | fdisk -l | 01:11 |
| buZz | well, no uefi partitions | 01:12 |
| buZz | if thats what you want me to look for? | 01:12 |
| fsmithred | it'll say what partition table | 01:12 |
| fsmithred | under the header info, above the partition list | 01:12 |
| buZz | ah, derp, yes | 01:12 |
| buZz | Installation finished. No error reported. | 01:12 |
| buZz | i was trying to install grub to a partition | 01:13 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok | 01:13 |
| fsmithred | see if it boots? | 01:13 |
| buZz | fingers crossed for me? :D | 01:13 |
| buZz | *reboot* | 01:13 |
| fsmithred | you got live media or other way to boot if it doesn't? | 01:13 |
| buZz | yeah | 01:13 |
| fsmithred | ok | 01:13 |
| buZz | some acpi and nvidia errprs | 01:14 |
| buZz | and alsa | 01:14 |
| buZz | but x starts | 01:14 |
| buZz | boom, works | 01:14 |
| fsmithred | cool | 01:14 |
| buZz | | NVIDIA-SMI 418.74 Driver Version: 418.74 CUDA Version: 10.1 | 01:15 |
| buZz | \o/ | 01:15 |
| buZz | lets see if steam still works ^_^ | 01:15 |
| buZz | seems so :P | 01:16 |
| buZz | awww yeah \o | 01:20 |
| specing | buZz: can I offer some FOSS games? | 01:27 |
| buZz | sure | 01:28 |
| buZz | oooo gcc8 , i gotto try building the newer dolphine-emu versions :D | 01:31 |
| specing | buZz: what kind of games do you like? | 01:33 |
| buZz | puzzle adventures etc | 01:34 |
| buZz | like super mario galaxy | 01:34 |
| buZz | or tombraider | 01:34 |
| specing | uh that'll be hard | 01:35 |
| buZz | well there is 'openlara' iirc | 01:36 |
| specing | I wouldn't know, I only try to follow FPS/RTS developments | 01:36 |
| buZz | https://github.com/XProger/OpenLara | 01:36 |
| buZz | ported to webgl aswell :P | 01:36 |
| specing | Oh, actually, there is https://github.com/fastrgv/AdaGate | 01:40 |
| specing | Which is also the only game that I know of that was developed in Ada | 01:40 |
| specing | *FPS | 01:40 |
| specing | The other one is steamsky | 01:41 |
| specing | which is a space adventure | 01:41 |
| buZz | [100%] Built target dolphin-emu | 01:47 |
| buZz | \o | 01:48 |
| targz | Please don't allow things like this in Devuan... https://pasteboard.co/IuJLY0z.jpg | 07:25 |
| ukine | targz, unattended-upgrades does its' job. if you do not want it, do not install it. | 08:17 |
| targz | ukine: Yes, act, I meant not to come by default. | 08:22 |
| fr33domlover | o/ | 08:37 |
| man_in_shack | i'm sure it won't | 08:38 |
| fr33domlover | I'm on devuan ascii, my sound device seems not recognized by alsa / pulseaudio, no sound. How do I start fixing that? Any hint very welcome :) | 08:38 |
| man_in_shack | devuan actually gives a fuck | 08:38 |
| gnarface | fr33domlover: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c 2 -t wav | 08:39 |
| gnarface | try that, tell me if you get sound^ | 08:39 |
| gnarface | fr33domlover: (the first key step is to isolate the problem to either pulseaudio or alsa) | 08:44 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, nope. pavucontrol says Dummy Output and alsactl init says No sound device found | 08:44 |
| gnarface | fr33domlover: what about this? aplay -L | 08:45 |
| fr33domlover | lspci | grep audio gives me this: 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 9dc8 (rev 30) | 08:45 |
| gnarface | use paste.debian.net for the output of "aplay -L" or just /msg it to me | 08:45 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, it says null Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) | 08:46 |
| gnarface | and check the output of lsmod for "snd_hda_intel" | 08:46 |
| fr33domlover | Hmm maybe I'm missing some firmware package | 08:46 |
| * fr33domlover checks | 08:46 | |
| gnarface | no, they don't require firmware for the audio devices | 08:47 |
| gnarface | but they do cheap out on the drivers and the hardware to the point that it causes frequent regressions | 08:47 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, no "snd" in lsmod output | 08:47 |
| gnarface | ok, well that solves part of the mystery | 08:47 |
| gnarface | because you're not getting sound without kernel components | 08:47 |
| gnarface | which kernel version? (uname -a" | 08:48 |
| gnarface | sorry "uname -a" | 08:48 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, 4.9 the default devuan one | 08:48 |
| gnarface | ok | 08:48 |
| gnarface | see what happens if you just run "modprobe snd_hda_intel" as root | 08:48 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, hm no output on that comman | 08:49 |
| fr33domlover | d | 08:49 |
| gnarface | that's good actually | 08:49 |
| gnarface | this might seem weird, but in unix you're supposed to assume that means it did what you asked | 08:49 |
| gnarface | because there were no errors | 08:50 |
| gnarface | so run the previous tests again now, see if there's any change | 08:50 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, no sound in pasuspender but aplay -L has a new line yay | 08:51 |
| gnarface | well it's a start | 08:52 |
| gnarface | what is the new line? | 08:52 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, default Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server | 08:53 |
| fr33domlover | Hm but it only shows it as non-root | 08:53 |
| gnarface | meh, that is not what we want | 08:53 |
| gnarface | well | 08:53 |
| fr33domlover | I installed devuan just "base system" option without the rest etc. maybe I'm missing some package idk | 08:53 |
| gnarface | basically we can conclude here that the driver does not support your hardware. it's supposed to, but it doesn't. a newer kernel might have fixed that, it's hard to say. how new is this hardware? | 08:53 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, new :p it's dell xps 13 9380. I'm used to old hardware that just works :p | 08:54 |
| gnarface | yea | 08:55 |
| gnarface | chances are slim | 08:55 |
| gnarface | but it is worth trying a new kernel | 08:55 |
| gnarface | like whatever version is in backports currently | 08:55 |
| gnarface | and it might be worth trying to force auto-detection to a specific model with the "model=" module option to that snd_hda_intel module | 08:56 |
| gnarface | sometimes all that fails is the auto-detect | 08:56 |
| gnarface | if that still doesn't work, maybe try getting on the alsa mailing list | 08:57 |
| gnarface | it could literally be a 2-line patch | 08:57 |
| gnarface | fr33domlover: do you have the linux-doc package for that kernel installed? | 09:00 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, cope | 09:01 |
| fr33domlover | *nope | 09:01 |
| gnarface | fr33domlover: kernel.org seems to have already deleted it | 09:02 |
| gnarface | fr33domlover: if you install it, it contains a list of the valid model values | 09:03 |
| gnarface | and a truckload of other stuff | 09:03 |
| gnarface | this file, is what you need: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.9/Documentation/sound/hd-audio/models.rst.gz | 09:04 |
| gnarface | "zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.9/Documentation/sound/hd-audio/models.rst.gz" | 09:04 |
| gnarface | you don't want to use a newer kernel version's documentation as a reference, that will just frustrate you | 09:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | That model is certified to run Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (4.15) OOTB | 09:06 |
| gnarface | sixwheeledbeast: kernel 4.15? | 09:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yep | 09:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201810-26515/ | 09:06 |
| * fr33domlover zlesses that file | 09:06 | |
| gnarface | it looks like kernel 4.19 is in backports | 09:07 |
| gnarface | right? | 09:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | In fact they sell a version from Dell with it pre installed. | 09:08 |
| gnarface | fr33domlover: you can have multiple kernels installed concurrently and just switch by rebooting and choosing one at the grub prompt. you might want to consider trying that backport kernel. | 09:08 |
| gnarface | fr33domlover: the audio might not be the only thing it fixes | 09:09 |
| gnarface | the hardware could be newer than 4.9, couldn't it? | 09:09 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, yeah and it's indeed not listed in that doc file | 09:09 |
| gnarface | some of the ones at the top like 3-stack-digout or whatever might still work | 09:11 |
| gnarface | you could get lucky trying stuff that has the same count of inputs and outputs | 09:11 |
| gnarface | but the backport kernel's version of this driver probably will "just work" | 09:11 |
| * fr33domlover tries backports kernel | 09:12 | |
| gnarface | and if that doesn't work, you definitely should get on the alsa mailing list | 09:12 |
| fr33domlover | I still have stuff to figure out, most of those Fn key combinations dont work either, I hope newer kernel fixes that too | 09:15 |
| gnarface | you might need some extra packages for the fn keys | 09:16 |
| gnarface | laptop extras or something | 09:16 |
| * fr33domlover reboots | 09:16 | |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, it works yay! That pasuspender program takes a lot of time though to make any sound. But pavucontrol shows the device now, so does alsamixer and aplay -L has lots of new output. I'll try some audio files | 09:22 |
| gnarface | fr33domlover: ok, good, so it's a fixed problem. no need for the alsa mailing list :) | 09:23 |
| fr33domlover | gnarface, thank you so much for the patient help :) | 09:24 |
| gnarface | no problem | 09:24 |
| fr33domlover | I'll try to remember this, if something doesn't work maybe I just need a kernel upgrade :p | 09:24 |
| fr33domlover | My previous laptops were quite old, solved-problem kind | 09:25 |
| buZz | lets do my laptop aswell :P ascii -> beowulf | 20:47 |
| MinceR | kinky | 20:47 |
| buZz | ~2500 packages | 21:15 |
| buZz | │ Writing GRUB to boot device failed - continue? │ | 21:15 |
| buZz | :) | 21:15 |
| buZz | root@bz-x230:~# rm -r /usr/share/locale/*.gmo/ | 21:18 |
| buZz | this fixes grub-install /dev/sda | 21:18 |
| buZz | welp, reboot time | 21:22 |
| buZz | works :) | 21:24 |
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