elc1979 | Hello everybody | 11:07 |
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elc1979 | Do you know when Devuan Beowulf will turn into stable? | 11:08 |
xrogaan | someday, hopefully | 11:10 |
elc1979 | I hope so, but i came here to know if there's a release schedule or something like that. | 11:11 |
xrogaan | I believe they're hoping before the end of the year. | 11:27 |
omnio | he left | 11:28 |
xrogaan | Can't even get up to grab a coffee, sheesh | 11:28 |
_CcCcC_ | Hey, I'm trying to get the Devuan SDK working. Everytime I try run it, I get "command not found: act". I have installed all the dependaies as explained in the README. I tried googling what package act is from, but I cannot find it. Does anybody know what this relates to? Thanks | 17:08 |
fsmithred | _CcCcC_, live-sdk or arm-sdk? | 17:10 |
fsmithred | I don't have that command, and live-sdk works here. You have sudo enabled for your user? | 17:11 |
_CcCcC_ | fsmithred: it is libdevuansdk, does this mean I need to pick one of these (arm-sdk, live-sdk) ? | 17:23 |
fsmithred | what are you trying to build? | 17:23 |
_CcCcC_ | libdevuansdk isn't the tool itself? | 17:23 |
_CcCcC_ | a very minimal version of devuan for x86_64 | 17:23 |
fsmithred | that's the backend that contains all the functions that build what you want to build | 17:23 |
fsmithred | then live-sdk | 17:23 |
fsmithred | arm-sdk is for arm devices | 17:24 |
_CcCcC_ | ah got it, thank you :) | 17:24 |
fsmithred | you do need to get live-sdk. Follow the directions on that page and you will get libdevuansdk with it. | 17:24 |
_CcCcC_ | will the live-sdk create a bootable installer? That is mainly what I want to create | 17:25 |
fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/sdk/live-sdk | 17:26 |
fsmithred | it won't include the debian(devuan)-installer | 17:26 |
fsmithred | we're using refractainstaller in the live isos | 17:26 |
fsmithred | so if you include refractainstaller-base and its deps, you will have a bootable installer | 17:27 |
fsmithred | not as many install options as d-i but it works. | 17:27 |
james1138 | Been gone awhile trying out MX Linux as their version of a systemd-free OS. My opinion/judgement is that it is NOT truly systemd-free. SystemD is installed but disabled. Too much a headache in my opinion dealing a OS that is juggling systemd parts and systemd-free parts. Think of MX Linux like Linux Mint - Ubuntu with Mint accessories for extra com | 17:48 |
james1138 | plexity. In this case MX Linux is a partial systemD-free Debian OS with MX/AntiX accessories added for extra complexity. Great for rookies - but extra speed bumps for us seasoned users. | 17:48 |
_CcCcC_ | fsmithred: many thanks, that's cleard up confusion :) | 17:50 |
fsmithred | cool. If you need help with your blend, let me know. | 17:54 |
golinux | james1138: I keep beating that drum but you know . . . it works ootb and is oh so shiny. | 17:59 |
james1138 | golinux... yeah... shiny... like a polished turd. <grin> | 18:02 |
golinux | james1138: They are aware that the door on their current strategy could close at any time. | 18:12 |
glats | hi everyone | 18:23 |
glats | im trying to configure deluged-web but it seems that package doesnt have an init script | 18:23 |
glats | it is possible to add it? | 18:24 |
james1138 | glats - try this... https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/install-deluge-web-interface-on-ubuntu-1204/ | 18:28 |
james1138 | This maybe better glats - https://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/ThinClient | 18:29 |
glats | james1138: yeah. im gonna to create my own init script | 18:32 |
glats | but it would be great if the script come with the package | 18:33 |
james1138 | glats... sorry I could not be more help. | 18:33 |
glats | no worries | 18:33 |
glats | i wonder if it possible to add it alongside the package | 18:33 |
james1138 | glats - I just found this. It came out this month - https://wiki.debian.org/BootProcess | 18:39 |
glats | james1138: dont worry, i setted up | 18:42 |
james1138 | ok | 18:42 |
glats | im just lazy and i wanna the script inside the package hahah | 18:43 |
vejetaryenvampir | Hi folks, is devuan rolling-release? | 18:51 |
MinceR | no | 18:52 |
MinceR | though ceres (equivalent of sid, i keep forgetting if it's unstable or testing) kind of is | 18:52 |
vejetaryenvampir | Does it mean I wouldn't get the latest npm or vim/neovim? | 18:52 |
MinceR | depends | 18:53 |
MinceR | but generally the goal is to have stable versions | 18:53 |
vejetaryenvampir | I meant the via the package manager. | 18:53 |
vejetaryenvampir | I see, thanks. | 18:53 |
MinceR | i don't know how many people (if any) run ceres | 18:53 |
vejetaryenvampir | first "the" is unnecessary* | 18:53 |
fsmithred | it's based on debian, so you wouldn't get the latest version of anything | 18:54 |
james1138 | Since Devuan is based on Debian stretch... a possible way to "update" but not break the system is to add "stretch-backports" to you list of repositories. https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ | 19:01 |
fsmithred | that would not be a good thing to do | 19:02 |
fsmithred | much safer to use ascii-backports | 19:02 |
james1138 | just replace the word "buster" with "stretch" | 19:02 |
fsmithred | ascii-backports merges the contents of stretch-backports and filters out the banned packages | 19:03 |
james1138 | that works also | 19:05 |
golinux | james1138: Never use Debian repos directly on Devuan. | 20:09 |
nemo | golinux: well. never is kinda strong | 20:13 |
nemo | golinux: I'm using the mariadb sources that target stretch, they seem to work ok. even install the init script properly. I've got stevep's gimp 2.10 port that is opensuse "debian 9.0 backport kinda" | 20:16 |
nemo | golinux: so long as you check what it did and the sources are limited it doesn't seem that dangerous to me | 20:16 |
nemo | maybe not on production systems, or do a dev test first, and turn off autoupdate in production? anyway this is on my laptop | 20:16 |
sasquatch | The use of Debian repos directly on Devuan should be handled in a "don't ask, don't tell" way! :-P | 20:21 |
sasquatch | == drawkula hiding from a stalker. | 20:22 |
nemo | huh | 20:24 |
nemo | I've never warranted stalkers | 20:24 |
* sasquatch helped someone with a small awk problem which turned into a 6½ hrs session and now he comes back every 2 days and wants changes... | 20:25 | |
nemo | lol | 20:25 |
nemo | free developer time! | 20:25 |
nemo | sasquatch: did you list him your $120/h going rate? | 20:25 |
nemo | hm. maybe should be more like $200/h | 20:25 |
sasquatch | even after I refused he kept qzerying me | 20:25 |
nemo | sasquatch: he just has to make an upfront deposit | 20:26 |
sasquatch | cloudsourcing for free | 20:27 |
sasquatch | enough off topic | 20:28 |
sasquatch | :-D | 20:28 |
Evilham | Lol, I hate it when that happens, gl | 20:29 |
sasquatch | luckily he doesnt know about linked/grouped nicks... ];-) | 20:32 |
furrywolf | that's pretty minor as stalking problems go. we had a guy harassing a girl in another channel that ended with him doxing her then breaking into her apartment... | 20:41 |
sasquatch | and compared to global warming all my problems are irrelevant... :-P | 20:44 |
fsmithred | nemo, mariadb in ascii is the same as stretch. You don't need a debian repo. | 20:46 |
nemo | fsmithred: I needed mariadb 10 | 20:47 |
nemo | fsmithred: which is available off their website | 20:47 |
fsmithred | their=who? | 20:47 |
nemo | deb http://downloads.mariadb.com/MariaDB/mariadb-10.3/repo/debian stretch main | 20:48 |
nemo | ↑ | 20:48 |
fsmithred | ah, that's not a debian repo | 20:48 |
nemo | fsmithred: it's a repo targetting debian | 20:48 |
nemo | fsmithred: which was what I was trying to make clear in my comments | 20:48 |
fsmithred | that's like using a virtualbox repo or a few others | 20:48 |
nemo | yes | 20:48 |
nemo | fsmithred: but there's still the risk that they assume systemd init | 20:48 |
james1138 | https://pkgs.org/download/mariadb | 20:48 |
nemo | fsmithred: however. many have, thankfully, not bothered to change | 20:48 |
fsmithred | in that case, yeah, you have to select the debian release. They won't have one for devuan. | 20:48 |
fsmithred | cool. yeah, you still have to check. | 20:49 |
fsmithred | Only outside repo I know that has a page for installing on devuan is TDE | 20:49 |
james1138 | General question about fonts. Any suggestions for a good readable font on laptop screens? | 21:28 |
james1138 | I am using Unifont right now. | 21:29 |
gnarface | james1138: i dunno i still like he Bitstream Vera fonts, they used to be the default a few years ago. i dunno what they changed it to | 21:32 |
gnarface | james1138: the real issue about readability may not be your font specifically, but the font hinting settings for truetype fonts. they changed that, too. try (i think) "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" to mess with that setting | 21:34 |
james1138 | Thanx gnarface! | 21:42 |
gnarface | no problem | 21:43 |
Wonka | It's been weeks now - is there anyone I can contact to get libpam-elogind:i386 241.3-1 built and published on the mirrors? | 23:45 |
james1138 | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libpam-elogind | 23:46 |
stiltr | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=libpam-elogind&release=any | 23:50 |
Wonka | james1138: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/elogind/ has libpam-elogind_241.1-1_amd64.deb, libpam-elogind_241.1-1_i386.deb, libpam-elogind_241.3-1_amd64.deb, but not libpam-elogind_241.3-1_i386.deb | 23:52 |
Wonka | james1138: but I need the latter one. | 23:53 |
Wonka | and the debian one might not be the correct one. | 23:54 |
gnarface | Wonka: i forget what is going on with that, but i think if you try to build it yourself it becomes apparent. | 23:55 |
james1138 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libpam-elogind | 23:56 |
james1138 | sorry | 23:57 |
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