libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2019-08-29

elc1979Hello everybody11:07
elc1979Do you know when Devuan Beowulf will turn into stable?11:08
xrogaansomeday, hopefully11:10
elc1979I hope so, but i came here to know if there's a release schedule or something like that.11:11
xrogaanI believe they're hoping before the end of the year.11:27
omniohe left11:28
xrogaanCan't even get up to grab a coffee, sheesh11:28
_CcCcC_Hey, I'm trying to get the Devuan SDK working. Everytime I try run it, I get "command not found: act". I have installed all the dependaies as explained in the README. I tried googling what package act is from, but I cannot find it. Does anybody know what this relates to? Thanks17:08
fsmithred_CcCcC_, live-sdk or arm-sdk?17:10
fsmithredI don't have that command, and live-sdk works here. You have sudo enabled for your user?17:11
_CcCcC_fsmithred: it is libdevuansdk, does this mean I need to pick one of these (arm-sdk, live-sdk) ?17:23
fsmithredwhat are you trying to build?17:23
_CcCcC_libdevuansdk isn't the tool itself?17:23
_CcCcC_a very minimal version of devuan for x86_6417:23
fsmithredthat's the backend that contains all the functions that build what you want to build17:23
fsmithredthen live-sdk17:23
fsmithredarm-sdk is for arm devices17:24
_CcCcC_ah got it, thank you :)17:24
fsmithredyou do need to get live-sdk. Follow the directions on that page and you will get libdevuansdk with it.17:24
_CcCcC_will the live-sdk create a bootable installer? That is mainly what I want to create17:25
fsmithredhttps://git.devuan.org/sdk/live-sdk17:26
fsmithredit won't include the debian(devuan)-installer17:26
fsmithredwe're using refractainstaller in the live isos17:26
fsmithredso if you include refractainstaller-base and its deps, you will have a bootable installer17:27
fsmithrednot as many install options as d-i but it works.17:27
james1138Been gone awhile trying out MX Linux as their version of a systemd-free OS. My opinion/judgement is that it is NOT truly systemd-free. SystemD is installed but disabled. Too much a headache in my opinion dealing a OS that is juggling systemd parts and systemd-free parts. Think of MX Linux like Linux Mint - Ubuntu with Mint accessories for extra com17:48
james1138plexity. In this case MX Linux is a partial systemD-free Debian OS with MX/AntiX accessories added for extra complexity. Great for rookies - but extra speed bumps for us seasoned users.17:48
_CcCcC_fsmithred: many thanks, that's cleard up confusion :)17:50
fsmithredcool. If you need help with your blend, let me know.17:54
golinuxjames1138: I keep beating that drum but you know . . . it works ootb and is oh so shiny.17:59
james1138golinux... yeah...  shiny... like a polished turd.  <grin>18:02
golinuxjames1138: They are aware that the door on their current strategy could close at any time.18:12
glatshi everyone18:23
glatsim trying to configure deluged-web but it seems that package doesnt have an init script18:23
glatsit is possible to add it?18:24
james1138glats - try this...   https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/install-deluge-web-interface-on-ubuntu-1204/18:28
james1138This maybe better glats - https://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/ThinClient18:29
glatsjames1138: yeah. im gonna to create my own init script18:32
glatsbut it would be great if the script come with the package18:33
james1138glats... sorry I could not be more help.18:33
glatsno worries18:33
glatsi wonder if it possible to add it alongside the package18:33
james1138glats - I just found this. It came out this month - https://wiki.debian.org/BootProcess18:39
glatsjames1138: dont worry, i setted up18:42
james1138ok18:42
glatsim just lazy and i wanna the script inside the package hahah18:43
vejetaryenvampirHi folks, is devuan rolling-release?18:51
MinceRno18:52
MinceRthough ceres (equivalent of sid, i keep forgetting if it's unstable or testing) kind of is18:52
vejetaryenvampirDoes it mean I wouldn't get the latest npm or vim/neovim?18:52
MinceRdepends18:53
MinceRbut generally the goal is to have stable versions18:53
vejetaryenvampirI meant the via the package manager.18:53
vejetaryenvampirI see, thanks.18:53
MinceRi don't know how many people (if any) run ceres18:53
vejetaryenvampirfirst "the" is unnecessary*18:53
fsmithredit's based on debian, so you wouldn't get the latest version of anything18:54
james1138Since Devuan is based on Debian stretch... a possible way to "update" but not break the system is to add "stretch-backports" to you list of repositories.  https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/19:01
fsmithredthat would not be a good thing to do19:02
fsmithredmuch safer to use ascii-backports19:02
james1138just replace the word "buster" with "stretch"19:02
fsmithredascii-backports merges the contents of stretch-backports and filters out the banned packages19:03
james1138that works also19:05
golinuxjames1138: Never use Debian repos directly on Devuan.20:09
nemogolinux: well. never is kinda strong20:13
nemogolinux: I'm using the mariadb sources that target stretch, they seem to work ok. even install the init script properly.  I've got stevep's gimp 2.10 port that is opensuse "debian 9.0 backport kinda"20:16
nemogolinux: so long as you check what it did and the sources are limited it doesn't seem that dangerous to me20:16
nemomaybe not on production systems, or do a dev test first, and turn off autoupdate in production? anyway this is on my laptop20:16
sasquatchThe use of Debian repos directly on Devuan should be handled in a "don't ask, don't tell" way! :-P20:21
sasquatch== drawkula hiding from a stalker.20:22
nemohuh20:24
nemoI've never warranted stalkers20:24
* sasquatch helped someone with a small awk problem which turned into a 6½ hrs session and now he comes back every 2 days and wants changes...20:25
nemolol20:25
nemofree developer time!20:25
nemosasquatch: did you list him your $120/h going rate?20:25
nemohm. maybe should be more like $200/h20:25
sasquatcheven after I refused he kept qzerying me20:25
nemosasquatch: he just has to make an upfront deposit20:26
sasquatchcloudsourcing for free20:27
sasquatchenough off topic20:28
sasquatch:-D20:28
EvilhamLol, I hate it when that happens, gl20:29
sasquatchluckily he doesnt know about linked/grouped nicks...  ];-)20:32
furrywolfthat's pretty minor as stalking problems go.  we had a guy harassing a girl in another channel that ended with him doxing her then breaking into her apartment...20:41
sasquatchand compared to global warming all my problems are irrelevant... :-P20:44
fsmithrednemo, mariadb in ascii is the same as stretch. You don't need a debian repo.20:46
nemofsmithred: I needed mariadb 1020:47
nemofsmithred: which is available off their website20:47
fsmithredtheir=who?20:47
nemodeb http://downloads.mariadb.com/MariaDB/mariadb-10.3/repo/debian stretch main20:48
nemo20:48
fsmithredah, that's not a debian repo20:48
nemofsmithred: it's a repo targetting debian20:48
nemofsmithred: which was what I was trying to make clear in my comments20:48
fsmithredthat's like using a virtualbox repo or a few others20:48
nemoyes20:48
nemofsmithred: but there's still the risk that they assume systemd init20:48
james1138https://pkgs.org/download/mariadb20:48
nemofsmithred: however. many have, thankfully, not bothered to change20:48
fsmithredin that case, yeah, you have to select the debian release. They won't have one for devuan.20:48
fsmithredcool. yeah, you still have to check.20:49
fsmithredOnly outside repo I know that has a page for installing on devuan is TDE20:49
james1138General question about fonts. Any suggestions for a good readable font on laptop screens?21:28
james1138I am using Unifont right now.21:29
gnarfacejames1138: i dunno i still like he Bitstream Vera fonts, they used to be the default a few years ago.  i dunno what they changed it to21:32
gnarfacejames1138: the real issue about readability may not be your font specifically, but the font hinting settings for truetype fonts.  they changed that, too.   try (i think) "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" to mess with that setting21:34
james1138Thanx gnarface!21:42
gnarfaceno problem21:43
WonkaIt's been weeks now - is there anyone I can contact to get libpam-elogind:i386 241.3-1 built and published on the mirrors?23:45
james1138https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libpam-elogind23:46
stiltrhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=libpam-elogind&release=any23:50
Wonkajames1138: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/elogind/ has libpam-elogind_241.1-1_amd64.deb, libpam-elogind_241.1-1_i386.deb, libpam-elogind_241.3-1_amd64.deb, but not libpam-elogind_241.3-1_i386.deb23:52
Wonkajames1138: but I need the latter one.23:53
Wonkaand the debian one might not be the correct one.23:54
gnarfaceWonka: i forget what is going on with that, but i think if you try to build it yourself it becomes apparent.23:55
james1138https://packages.debian.org/sid/libpam-elogind23:56
james1138sorry23:57

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