| fsmithred | 4.14 is in ceres, not in beowulf. | 00:25 |
|---|---|---|
| tocsa | Oh boy | 00:28 |
| tocsa | I don't know how I got into ceres, I didn't want to go that steep... | 00:28 |
| tocsa | apt update: | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Ign:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:2 http://packages.microsoft.com/repos/vscode stable InRelease [3,182 B] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Hit:3 https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable stable InRelease | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Hit:4 https://repo.skype.com/deb stable InRelease | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Hit:5 https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian disco InRelease | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:6 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release [943 B] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:8 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release.gpg [819 B] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Hit:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/xapienz/curl34/ubuntu cosmic InRelease | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:10 http://packages.microsoft.com/repos/vscode stable/main amd64 Packages [138 kB] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Hit:11 https://packages.microsoft.com/debian/9/prod stretch InRelease | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Hit:7 https://packagecloud.io/slacktechnologies/slack/debian jessie InRelease | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Hit:12 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:13 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates InRelease [25.6 kB] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:14 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable/main amd64 Packages [1,110 B] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:16 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease [25.6 kB] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:15 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ceres InRelease [21.8 kB] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:17 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ceres/contrib Sources [48.5 kB] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:18 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ceres/main Sources [8,209 kB] | 00:29 |
| tocsa | Get:19 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ceres/non-free Sources [91.0 kB] | 00:29 |
| Evilham | Thats a bunch of repos | 00:30 |
| Evilham | Also there are pastes, which are better suited than so many lines of output | 00:30 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I was so stunned by the magnitude of the list, I didn't get to warn him | 00:31 |
| gnarface | packages.microsoft.com < this is never a good sign | 01:06 |
| MinceR | indeed | 01:06 |
| targz | skyp€, micro$oft and googl€... :-/ | 01:08 |
| gnarface | he probably thought he's banned permanently and doesn't really know why | 01:24 |
| gnarface | that is a bit sad | 01:25 |
| fsmithred | don't they get a message? | 01:25 |
| gnarface | isn't it just "Spam is off topic on freenode." ? | 01:25 |
| fsmithred | oh, maybe | 01:25 |
| Unit193 | gnarface: Huh, very interesting find. | 01:30 |
| Unit193 | fsmithred: Yes, he should have gotten PM'd before Sigyn took a kill. Also if he connected while the kline was in place, it usually has some more details. | 01:31 |
| fsmithred | well, I un-klined him right away | 01:33 |
| gnarface | not everyone pays that close attention before taking it personally | 01:33 |
| gnarface | i'd been using IRC for a good 10 years and i still took 2 weeks to notice that it wasn't personal, the first time i got auto-kicked for pasting too much | 01:34 |
| gnarface | seems like maybe it would be worthwhile to make the bot capable of only issuing a warning for first-time offenders | 01:35 |
| Unit193 | One can set up Limnoria with ChanTracker to mute people that paste like that, then unmute after a minute (optionally issuing a message via PM too.) | 01:35 |
| gnarface | that wouldn't be a bad idea | 01:36 |
| fsmithred | that sounds good. If it's a real person, someone can fix it, if it's a bot, they can go away | 01:36 |
| gnarface | the current setup is designed for a situation where everyone is assumed to be an aggrivated spammer | 01:37 |
| gnarface | *aggravated* | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | it got pretty bad in here before that | 01:37 |
| gnarface | i remember | 01:38 |
| Unit193 | gnarface: As noted, Sigyn *does* PM the user before taking action. | 01:38 |
| gnarface | the great war between the russian spam bots and the FBI's DDOS department :-p | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | FBI wants to shut us down? | 01:38 |
| gnarface | i think they just have some operatives that like to show the "bad guys" who is really "bad" and they tend to behave unprofessionally when they know they can get away with it | 01:39 |
| gnarface | they just wanted to shut down the spam bots, but they didn't care if all of freenode was in the line of fire | 01:39 |
| fsmithred | is that what happened a day or two ago? | 01:40 |
| gnarface | that's my working hypothesis anyway. that's how it's going into the screenplay unless i get better testimony. | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | and maybe last week, too | 01:40 |
| gnarface | oh, i dunno about recently. i'm talking about the huge wave of spamming a few months back | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | ok | 01:40 |
| gnarface | there was another one like it a few years earlier | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | everyone got booted recently. Or it looked like that to me, and I got booted. | 01:41 |
| gnarface | hmm | 01:41 |
| gnarface | a day ago as in about this time yesterday, or a couple hours later? | 01:41 |
| fsmithred | all those 1337 haxors in the govt should work on not losing data | 01:41 |
| gnarface | lets take this to PM, this is offtopic | 01:41 |
| fsmithred | good idea | 01:42 |
| _abc_ | Hi. I see updates in irssi which goes beyond what's in ascii, ascii has 1.0.7 and irssi is at 1.0.8 1.1.3 and 1.2.3 now. Is there a way to enable a repo in ascii which allows access to these? | 11:25 |
| gnarface | check for it in backports | 11:26 |
| _abc_ | I have: deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main contrib non-free :: in sources. If it's in backports then it should pick it up, no? gnarface ? | 11:27 |
| _abc_ | aptitude shows: | 11:28 |
| gnarface | no, you have to also add "-t ascii-backports" i think | 11:28 |
| _abc_ | i 1.0.7-1~deb9ua | 11:28 |
| gnarface | for apt-get it is -t, for aptitude i don't know | 11:28 |
| gnarface | check the man page | 11:28 |
| _abc_ | p 1.2.0-2~bpo9+1 | 11:28 |
| _abc_ | I can't select the 2nd. What is "p"? | 11:29 |
| gnarface | and you will have to of course run "apt-get update" before changes to the sources.list are recognized | 11:29 |
| gnarface | i don't know what p means | 11:29 |
| gnarface | but bpo is the backports | 11:29 |
| _abc_ | I did not change the sources, it was there before. | 11:29 |
| _abc_ | Aha | 11:29 |
| _abc_ | Is it "unsafe" to grab the source from irssi and compile it and use that? | 11:32 |
| _abc_ | I mean exit the dpkg package system for irssi and use the upstream source | 11:33 |
| Atari-Frosch | Hi. After a while of quiet reading here I just try to migrate my notebook from Debian Jessie zu Devuan Jessie by this manual: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-jessie – but get some 404 from the package server. | 13:06 |
| Atari-Frosch | Is that manual outdated? | 13:06 |
| Atari-Frosch | Or should I migrate directly to ASCII? | 13:06 |
| debdog | should™ work. you could try http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ instead | 13:12 |
| Atari-Frosch | debdog: I will, thank you. | 13:13 |
| Atari-Frosch | („should work“, shortest computer joke ever ;-)) | 13:13 |
| debdog | hehe | 13:14 |
| debdog | wait, a 404 means the server is responding but some things on the server ain't there, right? | 13:14 |
| Atari-Frosch | Yes, the /main/binary-amd64/Packages and /main/binary-i386/Packages from jessie-updates and jessie-backports. From deb.devuan.org and pkgmaster.devuan.org. | 13:17 |
| debdog | hmm, http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/ | 13:19 |
| fsmithred | Atari-Frosch, jessie-backports and jessie-updates no longer exist. Remove them from sources.list | 13:19 |
| debdog | right | 13:20 |
| Atari-Frosch | fsmithred: Ah, I see! Thank you. Then the manual IS outdated. :-) | 13:20 |
| fsmithred | jessie is old-oldstable | 13:20 |
| Atari-Frosch | fsmithred: The idea was to change from Debian Jessie to Devuan Jessie first, then upgrade to ASCII. | 13:21 |
| fsmithred | that should work | 13:21 |
| Atari-Frosch | OK. Then I'll start the upgrade now. | 13:21 |
| fsmithred | what desktop do you have? | 13:22 |
| fsmithred | if it's gnome, you'll need to remove some stuff | 13:22 |
| Atari-Frosch | Very old fashioned: none, just icewm. :-) | 13:22 |
| fsmithred | cool, no problem there | 13:22 |
| fsmithred | and no pun intended | 13:23 |
| Atari-Frosch | Using icewm and editor joe since I started with Linux, back in 1997 ;-) | 13:23 |
| fsmithred | Oh yeah, joe. I forgot about that one. | 13:25 |
| Xenguy | Joe's Own Editor ? | 13:41 |
| debdog | yah :) | 13:41 |
| Xenguy | Similar to Wordstar IIRC, but not sure anymore | 13:41 |
| Xenguy | I think Wordstar may have been the first wordprocessor I ever used, but I digress. | 13:42 |
| debdog | don't think it's similar | 13:43 |
| Xenguy | Yeah, I could easily be wrong about that | 13:43 |
| Atari-Frosch | Yes, very similar to Wordstar, that was my reason that time to start with that editor. I came from an editor on Atari TT that was – Wordstar compatible, so joe was my first choice. | 13:44 |
| Xenguy | Aha, my brain cells aren't complete mush yet then ; -) | 13:45 |
| Atari-Frosch | ;-) | 13:45 |
| Atari-Frosch | Hm. Enigmail was removed. :-( | 13:46 |
| Atari-Frosch | Everything else seems to work. | 13:46 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I think enigmail is back again in ascii | 13:46 |
| Atari-Frosch | A, nice to know. | 13:46 |
| fsmithred | (still using jessie here) | 13:46 |
| Atari-Frosch | I use that notebook only when I'm somewhere else, but I still would like to be able to read my encrypted e-mails, too. ;-) | 13:47 |
| Atari-Frosch | At home I have my desktop computer. | 13:47 |
| fsmithred | yup | 13:47 |
| Atari-Frosch | Still on Debian Jessie, but it will be the next candidate. | 13:47 |
| Atari-Frosch | And then a virtual server I manage for a registered society. | 13:48 |
| Atari-Frosch | OK, next step: From Jessie to ASCII. | 13:50 |
| Atari-Frosch | Same as in Debian, just change the sources.list and apt-get upgrade until everything is back again? | 13:50 |
| * debdog just did an aptitude dist-upgrade, others use a more complex chain | 13:51 | |
| debdog | *did just | 13:52 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you can do it in one step or two | 13:52 |
| Atari-Frosch | dist-upgrade … didn't use it since, I don't know, Etch? Because it failed somehow and was later warned again and again to use dist-upgrade. | 13:52 |
| fsmithred | I think your overall package selection has more influence on how well the upgrade goes | 13:53 |
| fsmithred | upgrade only updates installed packges, dist-upgrade will install new packages | 13:53 |
| fsmithred | and when going from one release to the next, there will be new packages | 13:53 |
| fsmithred | and then do an autoremove when you're done, and that will get rid of the old, obsolete packages that are hanging around | 13:55 |
| Atari-Frosch | OK. Let's find out … | 13:56 |
| fsmithred | you might need to install the new kernel specifically | 13:56 |
| fsmithred | or you might get it automatically. | 13:57 |
| Atari-Frosch | ascii installs systemd-shim??? (removed without dependencies, but WHY?) | 14:38 |
| hoglet_ | systemd-shim was not installed for me when I just now migrated from debian to devuan. Did you do a fresh install or migration? | 14:49 |
| Atari-Frosch | migration | 14:49 |
| hoglet_ | Then it was a leftover from eralier install | 14:50 |
| Atari-Frosch | The former install was systemd-free as far as possible. | 14:50 |
| Atari-Frosch | OK, perhaps. | 14:50 |
| hoglet_ | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii | 14:50 |
| hoglet_ | Under post migration task: systemd components should now be removed from the system. | 14:50 |
| hoglet_ | root@devuan:~# apt-get purge systemd-shim | 14:50 |
| Atari-Frosch | I hope I got them all. ;-) systemd-shim and libsystemd0 were left and are now removed without dependency problems. | 14:51 |
| hoglet_ | I had purged systemd before as I had problems with it. | 14:52 |
| Atari-Frosch | Now I'm not sure about the kernel. apt search just shows me a 2.6.32, two 3.16.51, and a 3.2.78. | 14:52 |
| Atari-Frosch | It also shows me the sources of a 4.9 kernel. Well, I could build it myself, but actually don't want to ;-) | 14:53 |
| hoglet_ | After restart: 4.9.0-9-amd64 | 14:54 |
| Atari-Frosch | OK … just found out that joe does not work correctly anymore. Grmpf. | 14:55 |
| hoglet_ | Maybe an old config file that is not compatible with the new version. Joe works fine for after a fresh install of the package | 14:57 |
| hoglet_ | my ejabberd server does not work though :( | 14:57 |
| Atari-Frosch | Yes, I let it use the old config file because I had made some changes. Seems that was not a good idea. | 14:58 |
| Atari-Frosch | Fortunately I have also nano at hand ;-) | 14:58 |
| Burek | that's what she said | 15:08 |
| sasquatch | joe is nice... but I prefered the jmacs flavour... | 15:12 |
| sasquatch | jstar is the one mimicking wordstar | 15:12 |
| sasquatch | sometimes i still think we™ should start disassembling original wordstar4 and make a *nixy port | 15:13 |
| sasquatch | Atari-Frosch: rennt's? | 15:14 |
| Atari-Frosch | sasquatch: Bin noch am etappenweisen Updaten auf ASCII. Weiß ich also erst danach ;-) | 15:14 |
| sasquatch | 's gibt auch #devuan-de aber mit zu wenig nasen dort... die kritische masse an know how ist da oft noch nicht erreicht, wenns fragen gibt... (back to anglese now) | 15:16 |
| sasquatch | icewm and joe... that sounds like my end-90ers... :-) | 15:17 |
| sasquatch | woody was great | 15:18 |
| Atari-Frosch | I started with potato ;-) | 15:18 |
| sasquatch | boot/root-disk-0.11 | 15:19 |
| Atari-Frosch | Arghs. Now after the next upgrade wave I cannot connect to the internet anymore. ping in the local network is working. | 15:19 |
| Atari-Frosch | ping to the router also works. But that's it. | 15:19 |
| sasquatch | ping works -> the net is up | 15:20 |
| sasquatch | maybe just the default route is missing | 15:20 |
| sasquatch | or DNs hiccups | 15:20 |
| sasquatch | I had one such upgrade where net-tools flew away... but I got the missing packages with an other system and usb flash | 15:22 |
| Atari-Frosch | default route is there. | 15:23 |
| Atari-Frosch | ping to an external IP gives me: network unreachable. m( | 15:23 |
| Atari-Frosch | Not funny. | 15:24 |
| sasquatch | different interface for local and others? | 15:25 |
| sasquatch | "ping in the local network is working." -> packets can get outside and answers come back | 15:26 |
| Atari-Frosch | yes, there is an OpenVPN. You think I should stop it? | 15:26 |
| sasquatch | I've never used OpenVpn | 15:26 |
| Atari-Frosch | I see. | 15:26 |
| sasquatch | TINC for a while... | 15:27 |
| Atari-Frosch | Yeah, that was it. The OpenVPN was in the way somehow. Stopped, corrected route, now the notebook is back online. :-) | 15:28 |
| sasquatch | \o/ | 15:28 |
| Atari-Frosch | Actually that should not happen … | 15:28 |
| sasquatch | *™ | 15:28 |
| Atari-Frosch | (but who asks me …) | 15:28 |
| Atari-Frosch | *g* | 15:28 |
| sasquatch | upgrade or dist-upgrade? | 15:31 |
| Atari-Frosch | upgrade | 15:31 |
| Atari-Frosch | I don't trust dist-upgrade. | 15:31 |
| sasquatch | upgrade alone leaves many things untouched | 15:32 |
| sasquatch | update/dist-upgrade/pilish-using-aptitude | 15:32 |
| sasquatch | but 1st one should know which packages are essential to the setup | 15:33 |
| sasquatch | more 12648430!!! | 15:34 |
| ukine | ? | 15:35 |
| sasquatch | print it in hex! | 15:35 |
| sasquatch | printf '%x\n' 12648430 | 15:35 |
| onefang | A unixy port of Wordstar? I made a start on a generic one that includes joe / wordstar. https://sledjhamr.org/cgit/boxes/tree/boxes.c | 15:47 |
| sasquatch | :-D | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | Atari-Frosch, did you find the 4.9 kernel? What's in your sources.list? (use paste.debian or other service, don't post it here.) | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | and sources.list.d/ also. | 16:13 |
| Atari-Frosch | I'm still in the upgrade process, there's a lot of stuff. | 16:13 |
| Atari-Frosch | My sources.list just contains the four links to deb.devuan.org as stated in the manual. | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | ok | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | if you install linux-image-amd64 (or -686) you will always get the latest kernel for your suite. | 16:17 |
| Atari-Frosch | OK, I see. | 16:20 |
| Atari-Frosch | Seems I made a mistake. X doesn't start anymore. Well. If all else fails, I will have to forget the last few hours and make a completely new installation … | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | Atari-Frosch, if you have no display manager, you need to do one of two things | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | 1. install elogind or 2. install xserver-xorg-legacy and edit Xwrapper.config | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | see the release notes: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 17:15 |
| Atari-Frosch | I have an error message several times saying failed to execute /lib/udev/usb-modeswitch /lib/udev/modeswitch --vendor 0x12d1 --product 0x1446 --type option-zerocd: No such file or directory. I don't know whether that has to do with the startup problems of X. | 17:17 |
| Atari-Frosch | ok *click* | 17:17 |
| Atari-Frosch | Ah, I see. I removed elogind after I got the impression that this is a systemd thing only. | 17:20 |
| sasquatch | i saw modeswitch only wirh USB UMTS modems... | 17:21 |
| sasquatch | so i vote: [X] ... not X related | 17:21 |
| fsmithred | you can also replace libsystemd0 with libelogind0 if it didn't already happen | 17:23 |
| Atari-Frosch | After installation of elogind libelogind0, no change :-/ Found to fatal error messages from Xorg, saying „modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: Permission denied“ and „AddScreen/ScreenInit: failed for driver 0“ | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | libpam-elogind? | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | maybe reboot? (/me ducks) | 17:32 |
| fsmithred | hm, that didn't work | 17:32 |
| Atari-Frosch | Just installed, no change. I don't think it has to do with the login process, it seems it's missing the display. | 17:32 |
| Atari-Frosch | grrr ;-) | 17:32 |
| fsmithred | you could try adding 'nomodeset' to the boot line. | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | possibly you need firmware-amd-graphics | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | I have to go outside for a little while | 17:36 |
| Atari-Frosch | ok, thank you | 17:37 |
| Atari-Frosch | But firmware-amd-graphics doesn't sound right for a Thinkpad which has an Intel chipset. | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | point taken | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | bbl, good luck | 17:39 |
| Atari-Frosch | thx | 17:39 |
| Atari-Frosch | Oh! X is up :-D | 17:39 |
| furrywolf | you see some weird things with laptops switching between intel and amd/nvidia cards... and this laptop is all intel except the amd video... | 17:40 |
| Atari-Frosch | Not in this one, at least that's what lspci tells me. (Thinkpad R61) | 17:42 |
| Atari-Frosch | So it seems, with your help I got a running Devuan ASCII on my good ol' Thinkpad :-D | 17:53 |
| Atari-Frosch | joe is also fixed, it really needed the newer configuration files. | 17:54 |
| sasquatch | I had problems with kernel 4.0.something on intel graphics | 20:12 |
| sasquatch | or what did ascii have? | 20:12 |
| sasquatch | the same in the related debian | 20:12 |
| sasquatch | a newer kernel from backports helped | 20:13 |
| sasquatch | 4.9.something was it | 20:13 |
| sasquatch | T510 with intel graphics | 20:13 |
| Atari-Frosch | ASCII came with 4.9, and after re-installing the elogind stuff, everything works well. :-) | 20:21 |
| avbox | I upgraded manually to beowulf, worked well, but now I can't download any packages, it says ../beowulf/InRelase is not valide yet ... wait for about 2d... Is this normal? | 20:43 |
| sasquatch | use apt | 20:48 |
| sasquatch | oh.. no... that was the testing->stable switch stuff | 20:49 |
| sasquatch | 4get it | 20:49 |
| sasquatch | internal clock problemß | 20:50 |
| avbox | sorry for my question, found out that inRelase message comes when date is not correct. But about relaese, is there already an "official" date for beowulf? | 20:51 |
| sasquatch | I've no idea... | 20:52 |
| sasquatch | just stay ommmmmmptimistic... https://tinyurl.com/ommmmmmmmm | 20:53 |
| sasquatch | I'm running a beowulf cubietruck 24hrs/day and it behaves well | 20:54 |
| sasquatch | ok... xcept for kernel updates... they are worth a reboot | 20:54 |
| avbox | On some machines with beowulf I get segmentation fault AH00052 with apache2 but not on all. Any idea? | 20:55 |
| sasquatch | no idea. :-( | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | no official release date for beowulf yet | 21:18 |
| avbox | Does devuan have something like a bug list so everybody could help to test things and helping it fixing? | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | avbox, you can look around at bugs.devuan.org | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | reporting stuff here first is a good idea | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | before creating a bug report, I mean. Not necessarily before looking to see if there's one already. | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | sometimes things get fixed within minutes of reporting here. (and sometimes not) | 21:27 |
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