no_9 | oh! nana! can thus truely be the end? to be snuck astride of mobius with the infinite hues of ken? | 00:50 |
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nexgen | hello | 06:34 |
nexgen | I am trying to install npm from backports but it does not want to | 06:35 |
nexgen | https://pastebin.com/raw/HSki0cyR | 06:37 |
nexgen | I have to install dependencies package by package manually | 06:37 |
nexgen | specifying their newest version in the backports | 06:38 |
nexgen | I have an apt preference | 06:38 |
nexgen | Package: * | 06:38 |
nexgen | Pin: release a=ascii-backports | 06:38 |
nexgen | Pin-Priority: 1500 | 06:38 |
rrq | apt works in mysterious ways: try with "-t ascii-backports" | 06:52 |
nexgen | thanks, it helped | 07:03 |
nexgen | may be /etc/apt/preferences is obsolete | 07:13 |
nexgen | move to /etc/apt/preferences.d/ | 07:13 |
nexgen | unknown if it works though | 07:13 |
nexgen | *moved | 07:13 |
rrq | perhaps your "a=" should say "n=" .. a bit hard to test now, though | 08:07 |
free_speech | hello. just a short question before I try to install devuan - which init-system does it use? runit? sysvinit? | 09:31 |
omnio | sysvinit (openrc is possible too) | 09:42 |
agris | free_speech, sysv by default, OpenRC as an option | 09:48 |
agris | I use OpenRC | 09:48 |
free_speech | Due to some problems for me understanding torrent, I can't seed myself, but archive.org can :-) I uploaded the installer-isos. https://archive.org/details/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_installer | 10:18 |
pav5088 | How dangerous is Beowulf? Is it semi-usable? | 10:42 |
debdog | free_speech: there already is a torrent: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/devuan_ascii.torrent | 10:42 |
debdog | but I have to admit, it's really hard to find if one starts looking for it on devuan.org | 10:43 |
gnarface | pav5088: it is semi-usable | 10:44 |
gnarface | and there are people using it | 10:45 |
* pav5088 nods... Oh well... here goes nothing then. :) | 10:45 | |
free_speech | pav5088: Do you have a point to avoid the current stable release named "ASCII" ? | 10:46 |
pav5088 | free_speech, I'm currently running Ascii on this box, so I'll go from there. I think I saw someone post a mini-cd version of Beowulf in my travels, though I might be misremembering. | 10:49 |
avbox | Does anyone use microcode kernel updates in initrd.img? Is this important? If yes, why? To disable them do I need to build two initrd.img files or is there a switch from command line before starting kernel? | 10:59 |
free_speech | is this microcode stuff related to this spectre vulnerability of the CPUs ? | 11:10 |
gnarface | avbox, free_speech yea, i think that does include spectre/meltdown fixes, among others | 11:14 |
gnarface | dunno if there's a way to disable the feature without rebuilding, but the actual microcode updates are in some other package ... | 11:15 |
gnarface | so you might not need to | 11:15 |
free_speech | are there even spectre/meltdown exploits existing? What would happen if someone would drive a spectre attack? | 11:35 |
avbox | free_speech: As long as I understand it, it is not only spectre/meltdown. | 11:58 |
avbox | gnarface: Spectre/Meltdown can be included into cpu and into kernel. But some kernel "bugs" you need microkernel update. Point is the initrd.img is completely different and yes I would like to have the choose (starting with and without it). My currently state is I need two initrd.img files to do this because as soon as microcode update is included | 12:01 |
avbox | in initrd, it is (at very first stage) loaded to cpu. | 12:01 |
buZz | # date | 15:58 |
buZz | Tue 10 Sep 2019 03:57:44 PM CEST | 15:58 |
buZz | lol wtf | 15:58 |
buZz | 'PM' | 15:58 |
buZz | who made that bullshit default :P | 15:58 |
buZz | Current default time zone: 'Europe/Amsterdam' | 15:58 |
buZz | whhyyyyy PM | 15:58 |
buZz | update-locale LC_TIME=C.UTF-8 | 16:05 |
buZz | right | 16:05 |
buZz | eh | 16:05 |
buZz | yezz | 16:07 |
buZz | just needed to login again | 16:07 |
jaromil | lol | 16:11 |
jaromil | you rly don't like Amsterdam do you | 16:12 |
* fsmithred loves Amsterdam | 16:12 | |
jaromil | AMS loves you <3 | 16:13 |
jaromil | eh you are missed | 16:14 |
fsmithred | thanks | 16:14 |
fsmithred | buZz, the PM in the date output is for those few of us who still own analog clocks. | 16:17 |
fsmithred | actually, even most of the digital clocks only do 12 hours. | 16:17 |
onefang | At least it wasn't 15:57:44 PM. B-) | 16:18 |
buZz | welp, the change was because of buster's change to en_US.utf8 | 16:21 |
buZz | which altered the LC_TIME field of that locale | 16:21 |
buZz | 'to be more correct' , breaking >10yr of format ;) | 16:21 |
fsmithred | what? | 16:22 |
fsmithred | that's my locale. wtf did they do now? | 16:22 |
buZz | they changed the default time format to feature some AM/PM thingy for ppl unable to read time | 16:28 |
fsmithred | oh, I see | 16:28 |
buZz | i changed LC_TIME to be C.UTF-8 , and now i have normal time format | 16:29 |
fsmithred | where did you set that? | 16:29 |
buZz | /etc/defaults/locale iirc | 16:29 |
buZz | well, i did ; update-locale LC_TIME=C.UTF-8 | 16:30 |
fsmithred | ah, yeah | 16:30 |
buZz | as root | 16:30 |
buZz | which edits that file | 16:30 |
buZz | then you need to logout&back in | 16:30 |
buZz | or ssh localhost, to confirm ;) | 16:30 |
buZz | might be something handy for the 'upgrade to beowulf' list? | 16:31 |
fsmithred | that didn't change it here. The line got added to /etc/default/locale, but after logging out/in, date still uses PM | 16:34 |
James1138 | Minor question about Devuan ASCII and XFCE desktop. Is there any tweak and/or setting to make the desktop icons auto-align/auto-sort? Example: I plug in a USB drive and it shows on desktop - but when I remove the USB drive - it disappears and leaves a "hole" instead. | 16:36 |
fsmithred | James1138, I've never found a way to do that in xfce. Changing display size will re-order the icons, but it's messy. | 16:41 |
James1138 | Ok. Thanks fsmithred. No big deal - I can live with it but was just wondering. | 16:42 |
fsmithred | btw, that hole can be useful if you have a lot of icons on the desktop | 16:43 |
fsmithred | half the time I plug something in, I can't find the icon on the desktop | 16:43 |
fsmithred | but if I unplug it, the hole is easy to see | 16:43 |
buZz | fsmithred: also on ssh localhost? | 16:53 |
fsmithred | buZz, I didn't try ssh, but I did try a reboot. No change. | 17:31 |
buZz | weird af | 17:31 |
buZz | my workstation has the same problem, lets see if my fix helps | 17:32 |
buZz | buzz@h81m:~$ date | 17:32 |
buZz | Tue 10 Sep 2019 05:32:12 PM CEST | 17:32 |
fsmithred | ok, yeah, it does work on ssh localhost | 17:32 |
buZz | works | 17:32 |
buZz | weird, why wouldnt a reboot work, but ssh localhost -do- ? O_o | 17:33 |
fsmithred | no clue | 17:33 |
buZz | where else could LC_TIME originate from? | 17:33 |
fsmithred | I don't know | 17:34 |
buZz | ehw | 19:34 |
buZz | i removed /etc/pulse assuming that apt install pulseaudio would bring back defaults | 19:35 |
buZz | but it didnt? | 19:35 |
buZz | ok, apt purge pulseaudio; apt install pulseaudio | 19:37 |
buZz | that -did- bring them back :) | 19:37 |
buZz | still not working though , unable to find my soundcard in pulse | 19:37 |
buZz | ah | 19:41 |
buZz | apt remove timidity | 19:41 |
buZz | and boom, pulseaudio suddenly works | 19:41 |
buZz | what a clown package | 19:41 |
buZz | lol chromium 'audio renderer error. please restart your computer' | 19:42 |
buZz | ok, just a restart of chromium 'is enough | 19:43 |
james1138 | Sorry all for bounced in and out. I am changing to Pidgin for my IRC chats instead of the browser. | 20:39 |
furrywolf | whatever irc client you were using is broken, and doesn't send parts/quits correctly. | 20:42 |
james1138 | Ahh... thanks. Found that and turned it off | 20:45 |
dagelf | I thought you all would like to know that I crashed the latest systemd doing some pretty trivial stuff :-p | 22:38 |
dagelf | on latest ubuntu | 22:38 |
dagelf | smile and be happy | 22:38 |
james1138 | <Homer Simspon voice> ....DOH!! | 22:40 |
MinceR | :> | 22:41 |
MinceR | one way to make systemd on ubuntu hang is to have it manage an nfs client, shutdown the nfs server, then shutdown the ubuntu box | 22:42 |
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