libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2019-09-16

systemdletefurrywolf:  YOu say beowulf is available now but not official.  Is this a change in status?  Or the same way it has been for months?  (trying to understand the steps)01:11
debdogit is available but still testing and not stable01:13
gnarfacesystemdlete: (i assume he meant the same way it has been for months)01:25
systemdleteok, thanks gnarface.  I was wondering... b/c if there really had been some sort of change, I'd want to maybe try an install -- but there's no iso yet anyway01:26
systemdleteI was thinking maybe  it meant an alpha or beta01:27
gnarfacefor a headless server that you have a known good backup of already, i'd say go ahead and try it honestly01:27
gnarfacefor anything requiring polkit crap, best to wait01:27
systemdleteI was really thinking VM01:28
systemdleteI already have a beowulf VM.  I could update it I guess.01:28
gnarfaceis there a GUI?01:30
gnarfacefrom what i've heard, the biggest mess is (predictably) around the dependencies of the graphical login stuff01:31
gnarfaceanything that didn't already touch systemd shouldn't be a problem01:31
gnarfaceso it depends a lot on your window manager and login manager choices01:31
systemdleteblecccch01:34
systemdletebut I am pretty sure I do run a gui there.  I usually do.01:35
systemdleteI recall seeing some chatter here about a recent beowulf upgrade leaving the system unusable01:36
systemdleteis this still the case?01:36
gnarfacei have no idea01:36
gnarfacesince it is a vm, you could easily make a backup copy then try it safely though, no?01:37
systemdleteit may have been one of those one-off cases for that user01:37
systemdleteright.  snapshot it's called in vbox01:37
systemdleteI could try it.01:37
gnarfacefor science!01:37
* systemdlete sings "blinded me with science..."01:38
systemdleteit doesn't matter actually.  It's a test VM in the first place!01:39
systemdleteI haven't done any real work there01:39
systemdletebut still, it's for science.01:39
systemdleteAnd the vm is stuck right after cups-browsed01:40
systemdlete(I have done nothing since the last time I ran beowulf, which was probably over a month ago)01:40
systemdletethen dovecot hung a bit01:42
systemdleteI think it was dovecot, actually01:43
gnarfacehow much RAM is allocated to the VM?01:44
systemdlete1536MB01:45
systemdleteinternet connection having issues, prob the cause of the dovecot hang01:46
systemdletewhen I say connection, I mean the beowulf vm.  My host is fine.01:46
systemdleteI see I have given my other linux VMs at least 2G or so.  ascii vm has 4g01:47
systemdleteit's updating.  When it is done I'll shut it down and bump up mem a bit.01:47
gnarface make sure you have this line in /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomainlocalhost01:48
gnarfacemake sure it's the only line with 127.0.0.101:48
systemdletejust 127.0.0.1 localhost01:49
gnarfaceby default, lots of stuff (like mail servers) try to connect to localhost at start up.  sometimes they have annoying timeouts... if DNS isn't up yet, or is out for whatever reason...01:49
systemdleteno aliases for that one01:49
systemdleteand a couple of ipv6 hosts01:49
systemdletewould 2g be enough ram?01:50
gnarfaceshould be plenty01:50
gnarfacei was worried maybe you had it set to like 256MB01:51
systemdleteis 1536 enough?01:51
systemdleterunning xfce and a couple open shells01:51
systemdleteplus the stuff running in background01:51
systemdletethis time, I am gettng a lot of errors about uninitialized disk devices, but the boot completes01:54
systemdletestuck again after cups bonjour daemon startup01:55
systemdletegnarface: I have my network connection messed up, that's what.  But I know what the issue is.  I did some changing to other VMs and networks.02:05
gnarfaceare you using cups on there?  you can just stop it if it is causing so many problems, but it's weird that it is hanging.  1536 should be enough, and having less should just make things slower, not fail02:08
gnarfaceunless you don't have swap or something...02:08
gnarfacei only brought up the RAM because setting it too low could have slowed the upgrade process a lot, just by having less working space to deal with unpacking all those packages02:10
gnarfacewould cups be trying to make network connections before networking is up?02:11
gnarfacedo you have it configured to connect to network printers right away or something?02:11
gnarfacebonjour is some sort of network auto-negotiation thing so maybe that is the culprit, and maybe it is in conflict with your VM's network config?02:12
systemdleteIt's not cups.  I really think it is dovecot, prob due to lack of internet access02:23
systemdleteIt's actually my firewall on the host.  I need to set up port forwarding.  I know what to do.02:24
gnarfacei'm pretty sure there is a way to make it not need the external connection to be up yet before it starts02:30
gnarfacemaybe i'm wrong02:31
gnarfaceif the firewall is the problem port forwarding will work too, but you might still be causing yourself unnecessary headaches02:31
systemdlete(phone) I am going to put the VM on the other virtual network.  That is a solution I know works.03:26
systemdletebeowulf update complete.  rebooting.03:37
systemdletenext is rebuilding the guest additions03:38
systemdletemaybe kill avahi and pulseaudio03:38
systemdletepermanently03:38
systemdletei recall a bug in dovecot many years back (05?) where sometimes it would crash on startup03:39
systemdletehad to manually start it after boot completed.  And I think it really was some sort of lack of access to DNS03:40
systemdletehaven't seen that in a while now03:42
james1138If anyone is interested - the newest kernels (and their bug fixes) are now out - https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/18:27
enychrrm 5.3 out ok18:42
enycalso 5.2.15 builds18:42
_abc___hi chw. do you know qlua and qpython apps? somewhat23:13

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