systemdlete | furrywolf: YOu say beowulf is available now but not official. Is this a change in status? Or the same way it has been for months? (trying to understand the steps) | 01:11 |
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debdog | it is available but still testing and not stable | 01:13 |
gnarface | systemdlete: (i assume he meant the same way it has been for months) | 01:25 |
systemdlete | ok, thanks gnarface. I was wondering... b/c if there really had been some sort of change, I'd want to maybe try an install -- but there's no iso yet anyway | 01:26 |
systemdlete | I was thinking maybe it meant an alpha or beta | 01:27 |
gnarface | for a headless server that you have a known good backup of already, i'd say go ahead and try it honestly | 01:27 |
gnarface | for anything requiring polkit crap, best to wait | 01:27 |
systemdlete | I was really thinking VM | 01:28 |
systemdlete | I already have a beowulf VM. I could update it I guess. | 01:28 |
gnarface | is there a GUI? | 01:30 |
gnarface | from what i've heard, the biggest mess is (predictably) around the dependencies of the graphical login stuff | 01:31 |
gnarface | anything that didn't already touch systemd shouldn't be a problem | 01:31 |
gnarface | so it depends a lot on your window manager and login manager choices | 01:31 |
systemdlete | blecccch | 01:34 |
systemdlete | but I am pretty sure I do run a gui there. I usually do. | 01:35 |
systemdlete | I recall seeing some chatter here about a recent beowulf upgrade leaving the system unusable | 01:36 |
systemdlete | is this still the case? | 01:36 |
gnarface | i have no idea | 01:36 |
gnarface | since it is a vm, you could easily make a backup copy then try it safely though, no? | 01:37 |
systemdlete | it may have been one of those one-off cases for that user | 01:37 |
systemdlete | right. snapshot it's called in vbox | 01:37 |
systemdlete | I could try it. | 01:37 |
gnarface | for science! | 01:37 |
* systemdlete sings "blinded me with science..." | 01:38 | |
systemdlete | it doesn't matter actually. It's a test VM in the first place! | 01:39 |
systemdlete | I haven't done any real work there | 01:39 |
systemdlete | but still, it's for science. | 01:39 |
systemdlete | And the vm is stuck right after cups-browsed | 01:40 |
systemdlete | (I have done nothing since the last time I ran beowulf, which was probably over a month ago) | 01:40 |
systemdlete | then dovecot hung a bit | 01:42 |
systemdlete | I think it was dovecot, actually | 01:43 |
gnarface | how much RAM is allocated to the VM? | 01:44 |
systemdlete | 1536MB | 01:45 |
systemdlete | internet connection having issues, prob the cause of the dovecot hang | 01:46 |
systemdlete | when I say connection, I mean the beowulf vm. My host is fine. | 01:46 |
systemdlete | I see I have given my other linux VMs at least 2G or so. ascii vm has 4g | 01:47 |
systemdlete | it's updating. When it is done I'll shut it down and bump up mem a bit. | 01:47 |
gnarface | make sure you have this line in /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomainlocalhost | 01:48 |
gnarface | make sure it's the only line with 127.0.0.1 | 01:48 |
systemdlete | just 127.0.0.1 localhost | 01:49 |
gnarface | by default, lots of stuff (like mail servers) try to connect to localhost at start up. sometimes they have annoying timeouts... if DNS isn't up yet, or is out for whatever reason... | 01:49 |
systemdlete | no aliases for that one | 01:49 |
systemdlete | and a couple of ipv6 hosts | 01:49 |
systemdlete | would 2g be enough ram? | 01:50 |
gnarface | should be plenty | 01:50 |
gnarface | i was worried maybe you had it set to like 256MB | 01:51 |
systemdlete | is 1536 enough? | 01:51 |
systemdlete | running xfce and a couple open shells | 01:51 |
systemdlete | plus the stuff running in background | 01:51 |
systemdlete | this time, I am gettng a lot of errors about uninitialized disk devices, but the boot completes | 01:54 |
systemdlete | stuck again after cups bonjour daemon startup | 01:55 |
systemdlete | gnarface: I have my network connection messed up, that's what. But I know what the issue is. I did some changing to other VMs and networks. | 02:05 |
gnarface | are you using cups on there? you can just stop it if it is causing so many problems, but it's weird that it is hanging. 1536 should be enough, and having less should just make things slower, not fail | 02:08 |
gnarface | unless you don't have swap or something... | 02:08 |
gnarface | i only brought up the RAM because setting it too low could have slowed the upgrade process a lot, just by having less working space to deal with unpacking all those packages | 02:10 |
gnarface | would cups be trying to make network connections before networking is up? | 02:11 |
gnarface | do you have it configured to connect to network printers right away or something? | 02:11 |
gnarface | bonjour is some sort of network auto-negotiation thing so maybe that is the culprit, and maybe it is in conflict with your VM's network config? | 02:12 |
systemdlete | It's not cups. I really think it is dovecot, prob due to lack of internet access | 02:23 |
systemdlete | It's actually my firewall on the host. I need to set up port forwarding. I know what to do. | 02:24 |
gnarface | i'm pretty sure there is a way to make it not need the external connection to be up yet before it starts | 02:30 |
gnarface | maybe i'm wrong | 02:31 |
gnarface | if the firewall is the problem port forwarding will work too, but you might still be causing yourself unnecessary headaches | 02:31 |
systemdlete | (phone) I am going to put the VM on the other virtual network. That is a solution I know works. | 03:26 |
systemdlete | beowulf update complete. rebooting. | 03:37 |
systemdlete | next is rebuilding the guest additions | 03:38 |
systemdlete | maybe kill avahi and pulseaudio | 03:38 |
systemdlete | permanently | 03:38 |
systemdlete | i recall a bug in dovecot many years back (05?) where sometimes it would crash on startup | 03:39 |
systemdlete | had to manually start it after boot completed. And I think it really was some sort of lack of access to DNS | 03:40 |
systemdlete | haven't seen that in a while now | 03:42 |
james1138 | If anyone is interested - the newest kernels (and their bug fixes) are now out - https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ | 18:27 |
enyc | hrrm 5.3 out ok | 18:42 |
enyc | also 5.2.15 builds | 18:42 |
_abc___ | hi chw. do you know qlua and qpython apps? somewhat | 23:13 |
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