| _abc_ | Hello. Where is man ImageMagick(1) ? Not found even after apt get install imagemagick-doc | 13:41 |
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| _abc_ | I am really REALLY fed up with debian project splitting binaries from docs. No other distro I used before did this. | 13:42 |
| _abc_ | docs should be a "recommended" package when installing the package itself. | 13:42 |
| _abc_ | Not only is the ImageMagick manual missing but all dependent programs such as convert do not mention their siblings in section SEE ALSO, they mention ImageMagick itself, which is not to be found. Made of fail, seriously. | 13:44 |
| _abc_ | This is the missing manpage. I realize this is an upstream problem but it's still relevant, in the sense that little omissions like this could be fixed in the devuan project. I think. | 13:46 |
| _abc_ | https://linux.die.net/man/1/imagemagick this | 13:46 |
| devuan | Hello, i have problem with xfce4-terminal.It simply does not dispaly the output of w,who and users command.Any idea what is wrong?thanks | 14:04 |
| rrq | imagemagick-6-doc | 14:31 |
| _abc_ | rrq: not present | 14:46 |
| _abc_ | wait, /usr/share/doc/imagemagick-6-doc ?? | 14:47 |
| _abc_ | what the hell | 14:47 |
| _abc_ | The manpage is definitely not in the packages. | 14:47 |
| rrq | yes; not a man page, but html documentation. | 14:47 |
| _abc_ | The html docs are completely useless. Fragmented, no proper index tree, and not searchable. I used grep on the plain text tree | 14:58 |
| _abc_ | The real manpages for things like convert(1) all mention man ImageMagick(1). Who removed it from debian? It is present in Arch and other distros. | 14:58 |
| yeti | man Image::Magick # ? is in buster | 15:00 |
| _abc_ | Possible | 15:01 |
| _abc_ | That is Perl? | 15:01 |
| _abc_ | Image::Magick is a pm which interfaces with ImageMagick core | 15:01 |
| yeti | I've no idea who installed this and what it is.... perl is a good suspect... | 15:01 |
| _abc_ | Unrelated to what I asked | 15:01 |
| _abc_ | After grep -Rli on the /usr/share/doc/imagemagick* I see several fails. There are 3 copies of the documentation installed, in 3 directories, the full api docs are installed, the ImageMagic(1) manpage is not, and there is no index. | 15:02 |
| _abc_ | What the hell. Who releases these insane packages?! | 15:02 |
| _abc_ | Clearly nobody checked the packages after making them. | 15:02 |
| _abc_ | ImageMagick is a perfect example of program which is useless without docs, there are over 40 options for each program, the manpages are close to unreadable. | 15:03 |
| onefang | I'm still wondering why JPEG 2000 support was removed from everything in Debian except ImageMagick. Very annoying, I use them a lot. | 15:03 |
| yeti | Installed: 8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1 | 15:03 |
| yeti | here... no man pages so far | 15:03 |
| _abc_ | yeti: you can see man convert and man display. | 15:04 |
| _abc_ | On windows the programs are called imconvert and imdisplay. WHY name them something else in linux? | 15:04 |
| yeti | yields convert-im6.q16(1) | 15:04 |
| yeti | manpage for... | 15:05 |
| yeti | man display --> display-im6.q16(1) | 15:05 |
| _abc_ | should be right | 15:06 |
| yeti | yip... there are +/- 16 man pages for related stuff | 15:06 |
| yeti | $ dpkg --listfiles imagemagick-6.q16 | grep /man/man | wc -l | 15:07 |
| yeti | 13 | 15:07 |
| yeti | ok... 13 | 15:07 |
| _abc_ | dpkg --listfiles imagemagick | grep /man/man | wc -l | 15:08 |
| _abc_ | for extra fun | 15:08 |
| yeti | that package only has some doc files and nothing else | 15:09 |
| yeti | no binaries | 15:09 |
| yeti | no man | 15:09 |
| _abc_ | disregard, wrong syntax. Herding cats vs using debian package tools is easy. | 15:09 |
| yeti | Depends: imagemagick-6.q16 (>= 8:6.9.2.10+dfsg-2~) | 15:10 |
| yeti | This is a dummy package. You can safely purge or remove it. | 15:10 |
| yeti | ok... relicts | 15:10 |
| _abc_ | How does one install an out of tree deb package without breaking everything? Specifically xclip? | 15:14 |
| _abc_ | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/145131/copy-image-from-clipboard-to-file references | 15:14 |
| yeti | recompile the deb-sources locally | 15:15 |
| yeti | if that succeeds, it'd be the best way to get it | 15:15 |
| yeti | xclip -> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libx11-6, libxmu6 | 15:16 |
| yeti | looks harmless | 15:16 |
| _abc_ | brb | 15:16 |
| yeti | maybe just try sudo dpkg -i ... | 15:16 |
| yeti | I prefer compiling foreign deb-srcs against the local libs and only if that fails I declare using foreign debs as plan-b | 15:18 |
| yeti | e.g. rasbbian9's gcc-4.6 debsrc doesnt build on raspbian10 any more... and I needed it... :-( but impoeting foreign binaries hrts... | 15:19 |
| james1138 | https://pkgs.org/download/xclip | 15:44 |
| james1138 | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xclip | 15:45 |
| nemo | hm | 15:51 |
| nemo | devuan 2.0 is not detecting my discs on this new dell | 15:51 |
| nemo | any ideas? | 15:51 |
| nemo | guess I'll start by poking around in bios settings | 15:52 |
| nemo | efi seems to be detected in dmesg | 15:52 |
| nemo | er wait. that must be on the flash drive surely 😃 | 15:52 |
| buZz | nemo: you dont see them in dmesg? | 16:11 |
| buZz | that would be odd | 16:11 |
| buZz | or you mean you dont see them in the installer? | 16:11 |
| nemo | I noticed some secure boot thingy was on. turned that off and rebooted | 16:11 |
| nemo | will see | 16:11 |
| buZz | \o | 16:11 |
| _abc_ | fwiw yeti man convert -> convert (1) convert-im6 (1) convert-im6.q16 (1) | 16:12 |
| _abc_ | Why do I have three imagemagick packages installed on the system?! This is ascii. | 16:12 |
| nemo | crud | 16:12 |
| nemo | that didn ot fix it | 16:12 |
| nemo | *did not | 16:12 |
| nemo | for "Partition disks" I have the 8GB USB with one line of white above and below it which I think is just for formatting | 16:13 |
| buZz | weird | 16:13 |
| nemo | in settings the SATA was set to RAID but changing it to ACPI gave a big warning about breaking OS - and I wanted to at least *try* to ensure windows still booted in its shrunken partition if needed for any return | 16:14 |
| nemo | so I left that alone | 16:14 |
| buZz | nemo: oh thats quite plausible, yeah | 16:15 |
| buZz | to be the cause of not seeing your disks as disks | 16:15 |
| Wonka | switches like that often actually "hide" the AHCI controller by switching to a different PCI device type. | 16:19 |
| Wonka | so that the generic windows driver doesn't match anymore and the specific "RAID" one is the only matching one | 16:20 |
| Wonka | despite it working the same way, only doing software RAID additionally | 16:21 |
| nemo | hm. well... I guess I'll change it at least just to find out | 16:32 |
| nemo | I don't need to modify the discs yet | 16:32 |
| nemo | and it is surely reversible | 16:32 |
| nemo | the worrying thing about the warning was "require a reinstall" ☹ | 16:33 |
| nemo | https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/HELP-Install-Ubuntu-Dual-Boot-switch-RAID-On-to-AHCI/td-p/5752914 | 16:33 |
| nemo | hah | 16:33 |
| nemo | dell XPS same as me | 16:33 |
| nemo | and yes. exactly same problem | 16:33 |
| nemo | dammit dell | 16:33 |
| Wonka | it's actually possible that Windows won't find the partitions on the not-RAID-anymore storage because of management information at the beginning of the storage which the other driver had worked around | 16:34 |
| nemo | ☹ | 16:45 |
| nemo | Wonka: ah. I see. | 16:46 |
| nemo | the recommendation is to switch windows to AHCI *FIRST* | 16:46 |
| nemo | hope I didn't eff up this machine | 16:46 |
| nemo | well. worst case I lost a windows I didn't care that much about | 16:47 |
| nemo | yay. nothing was destroyed and the windows instructions worked fine | 16:58 |
| nemo | now on AHCI | 16:58 |
| nemo | I swear dell comes up with a new way to screw linux every year | 16:58 |
| nemo | why does this machine need raid config | 16:58 |
| nemo | and why does it not work w/ linux | 16:58 |
| _abc_ | dell is made by dell to work for dell (Michael) using dell users, programs, power (!) and data. | 17:04 |
| _abc_ | Any attempt to use dell [r][tm] products outside a contract and/or in "unapproved" ways will be sabotaged. | 17:05 |
| _abc_ | Also dells have the secret recovery partition (pre boot environment) set up such that if one wipes it the machine won't boot at all, for some laptops at least. | 17:06 |
| nemo | _abc_: I made the mistake of buying one dell myself (this one is obviously a work computer where they pay a premium for a bunch of dell stuff I just deleted) | 17:14 |
| nemo | _abc_: I bought it because I wanted to support their first ever linux program, about a decade ago | 17:14 |
| nemo | _abc_: so I basically paid a little extra for the hardware to have the convenience of not building it myself, and also trying to show dell people cared about linux. which clearly did not work | 17:15 |
| nemo | or at least there weren't enough of us | 17:15 |
| nemo | _abc_: anyway, few years later I need to upgrade. I pick out an AMD processor, and board, and PSU… | 17:15 |
| nemo | only to discover after ordering all of it that dell has completely non-standard cases that don't fit any standard board size or PSU | 17:16 |
| nemo | so. I ended up installing all that in my case that I bought two decades ago | 17:16 |
| nemo | which *does* have standard dimensions ☺ | 17:16 |
| _abc_ | indeed. I remote-work a bit on systems I set up years ago and I told them DO NOT BUY DELL HW. What did they buy? Dell HW, second hand. Second hand means off contract and needs new parts now and then. After about one year the cd drive needed for installs (remote) died. It took 3 weeks of ebay spelunking and 1-2 virgins sacrified to get a replacement. Which was exactly like any other CD drive excepting for | 17:19 |
| _abc_ | two small details: 1) one rear corner was "indented" so it would not bump into the expertly placed bracket (non removable) in the case and b) non standard connector and cable. | 17:19 |
| _abc_ | Later I had to do with a Dell radial fan, which had the 5 pin 4 wire connector, which is made to not work with any other 4 wire fan out there. Wires swapped and connector empty keying slot moved. | 17:20 |
| _abc_ | One buys Dell ONLY on contract. Once the contract is dead, the equipment has a self destruct timer ticking. When it runs down, something is going to give and it will be crippled or dead. | 17:20 |
| _abc_ | That being said, they do/did make solid servers. HW wise solid. Not consumer level crap, servers. | 17:21 |
| _abc_ | I'd not be too surprized if they come up with proprietary screw threads designed to jam normal screws if such are used. | 17:23 |
| _abc_ | The latter (screw and mechanical caliber) is well known from military things designed to not work with enemy captured stuff. | 17:51 |
| nemo | *sigh* nouveau is installed and loaded but I'm at 1024x768, so I guess I'm going to have to install the kernel tainting binary blob | 17:52 |
| nemo | maybe I'll drop by their IRC channel to see if that is, in fact, the case | 17:52 |
| nemo | hmmm could be devuan that is old | 17:52 |
| nemo | that certainly happens | 17:52 |
| nemo | how's the beta of devuan coming along? | 17:54 |
| nemo | is it safe to use on a regular basis? | 17:54 |
| golinux | nemo: There is always lxrandr. | 17:55 |
| golinux | nemo: That depends on you usecase | 17:55 |
| golinux | I have Xfce working in a VM but I don't actually use it for everyday tasks. Only for testing if a proposed update doesn't fubar things. | 17:56 |
| tomk | Hello, i have problem with xfce4-terminal.It simply does not dispaly the output of w,who and users command.Any idea what is wrong?thanks | 19:11 |
| gnarface | does it display the output of any commands? | 19:11 |
| gnarface | it would be weird for a terminal issue to cause problems with just those two commands | 19:12 |
| gnarface | i have no idea what is going wrong but the first thing i would probably try is some other commands, or another terminal | 19:13 |
| tomk | gnarface:it works in Xterm and Uxterm though | 19:13 |
| gnarface | yep, pretty weird | 19:13 |
| gnarface | that's on ascii? | 19:13 |
| tomk | everything is all right with other commands.Just the mentioned three commands does not work in xfce-terminal and mate -terminal. | 19:14 |
| tomk | gnarface:It worked at the begining after fresh install and after sudenly no | 19:15 |
| gnarface | that is really weird. i haven't heard of this happening before. and this is a completely stock ascii install? no out-of-distro packages installed? | 19:15 |
| gnarface | if you just upgraded or installed something between now and when it last worked, that thing should be the primary suspect right now | 19:16 |
| gnarface | otherwise, i'd say file a bug report against xfce-terminal. make sure you mention that it's just those commands, and they work in other terminals. | 19:17 |
| tomk | Yes it is.I also tried to reset both terminals, it helped but only once i got proper output but after that nothing | 19:17 |
| tomk | gnarface: I did not upgrade just updated .Here is what i get when run w command > https://pastebin.com/QDFXXWNN | 19:19 |
| gnarface | tomk: not even a custom kernel? | 19:25 |
| tomk | gnarface:No nothing though the system is fully encrypted, but i think it is not related | 19:26 |
| gnarface | really weird | 19:27 |
| tomk | gnarface: i also tried to remove terminal config in my home directory no effect | 19:27 |
| gnarface | i'm sorry, i've got no advice other than to file a bug report though, and hang out here to see if anyone else comes by who has seen this, but this one is new to me. | 19:27 |
| gnarface | well | 19:28 |
| gnarface | i guess i have one other piece of advice; if everything works fine with urxvt, just use that instead and don't sweat it. the other terminals all suck anyway. | 19:28 |
| gnarface | but i know that's not gonna fix anything | 19:28 |
| gnarface | some effort to report the bug would be the responsible thing to do | 19:29 |
| fsmithred | someone was complaining about xfce4-terminal and w/who/users a couple weeks ago | 19:29 |
| gnarface | if you check Debian's bug tracker maybe it has already been reported and maybe a workaround has been included in the report or a response. you could get lucky. | 19:29 |
| tomk | gnarface: thanks anyway, whats weird Devuan Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stabl | 19:30 |
| fsmithred | and I'm getting the problem in beowulf, but not in ascii | 19:30 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 19:30 |
| gnarface | tomk: any backports packages? | 19:30 |
| tomk | gnarface:Devuan 1.0 worked everything OK | 19:30 |
| gnarface | noted | 19:30 |
| fsmithred | correction: *sometimes* doesn't work | 19:33 |
| tomk | gnarface: Yes i tried to install mate-terminal from backports and also youtube-dl, but that was after i encountered this bug | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | at first, who and users didn't work for root | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | couple minutes later, it's working | 19:34 |
| gnarface | why just that one terminal? that's so weird. could it have something to do with the video driver or the compositor? | 19:34 |
| tomk | fsmithred: for me w, who and users simply don t display any output | 19:35 |
| fsmithred | that's what I get sometimes with who and users. w seems to work every time. | 19:36 |
| fsmithred | tomk, does 'which who' show you /usr/bin/who? | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | or type wh and tab to see if it completes | 19:39 |
| tomk | fsmithred:yes,i get correct output | 19:40 |
| fsmithred | I don't see anything relevant on the xfce4-terminal debian bug page. | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | afk for a bit | 19:53 |
| tomk | fsmithred:yea, i also checked the bug page did not find anything relevant | 20:01 |
| xinomilo | ~/.xsession-errors , w -V ? | 20:18 |
| tomk | xinomilo:w -V gives > w from procps-ng 3.3.12 | 20:26 |
| tomk | OK guys i got to go.Thanks for trying to help, wish you good day.See you next time:) | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | yeah, and /usr/bin/w is a symlink to w.procps (/usr/bin/? I forget) | 21:26 |
| eyalroz | Does anyone on the channel know their way around the TeXLive packages? | 23:05 |
| eyalroz | Because after apt-get dist-upgrade'ing, I'm getting a weird error trying to compile a document which was fine before the dist-upgrade. | 23:06 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: did you use --no-install-recommends? | 23:08 |
| james1138 | SOrry know next to nothing about TexLive | 23:09 |
| gnarface | i recall noticing occasionally that some packages' build dependencies assume you installed recommends | 23:09 |
| hightower3 | eyalroz, well at least one thematic one is #gentoo-tex | 23:09 |
| gnarface | but yea, my goal during upgrades is usually to prevent texlive from getting installed, not the other way around... | 23:09 |
| eyalroz | @gnarface: I did not... | 23:09 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: just as a sanity check, did you try "apt-get build-dep [package name]" ? | 23:09 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: no... I ran apt-get dist-upgrade | 23:10 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: try the build-dep thing now. maybe something just got inelegantly renamed | 23:10 |
| eyalroz | for which package? | 23:11 |
| gnarface | uh, the one you're trying to | 23:11 |
| gnarface | oh compile | 23:11 |
| gnarface | sorry | 23:11 |
| eyalroz | I'm compiling a latex document :-P | 23:11 |
| gnarface | i thought you were compiling a package, now i see you're talking about a document, yes. | 23:11 |
| eyalroz | So I'm guessing the gentoo-tex referral is irrelevant? | 23:11 |
| HumanGeek | eyalroz, which error ? | 23:14 |
| hightower3 | eyalroz, yes sorry | 23:14 |
| eyalroz | HumanGeek: ! LaTeX Error: Unknown float option `H'. | 23:15 |
| HumanGeek | no line ? | 23:15 |
| eyalroz | HumanGeek: | 23:15 |
| eyalroz | l.868 \begin{figure}[H] | 23:15 |
| eyalroz | and of course I have \usepackage{float} ... | 23:16 |
| gnarface | google says this happens when you forgot to load the "float" package. i assume they're not talking about debian packages though | 23:16 |
| HumanGeek | i dont know really well all packages but maybe H change in new float package version | 23:16 |
| HumanGeek | or maybe the is some kind of cache | 23:16 |
| eyalroz | HumanGeek: It's quite unlikely that would have changed, but it's not technically impossible... I'll check | 23:17 |
| hightower3 | eyalroz, but try asking in #latex | 23:17 |
| eyalroz | hightower3: I will. | 23:17 |
| HumanGeek | if i remember well some packages are not reinstall after a upgrade | 23:18 |
| eyalroz | HumanGeek: Package hasn't changed since 2001 | 23:18 |
| HumanGeek | i also have weird error few month back | 23:18 |
| HumanGeek | and i have to reinstall some latex package | 23:19 |
| HumanGeek | *s | 23:19 |
| HumanGeek | i know it s not the good solution but | 23:19 |
| gnarface | nothing in the repos is coming up for me under texlive-float though | 23:19 |
| gnarface | and the only thing i see for ^float is: floatbg - slowly modify the color of the X root window | 23:20 |
| gnarface | which i'm sure is not the right thing | 23:20 |
| HumanGeek | can you share relevant part of your doc ? | 23:20 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: ^? | 23:20 |
| gnarface | wait, isn't it this? l.868 \begin{figure}[H] | 23:20 |
| HumanGeek | gnarface, it is | 23:21 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: That was the line which triggers the error, yes | 23:21 |
| eyalroz | It's an "innocent" line, it doesn't tell you much. | 23:21 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: what did you dist-upgrade to? beowulf? i wonder if maybe there WAS a texlive-float and it's just not build for beowulf and ceres yet | 23:21 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: Yes, beowulf, sorry. I'm on beowulf. | 23:21 |
| eyalroz | and was on it before. | 23:21 |
| gnarface | oh so it did used to work in beowulf? | 23:22 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: Yes. | 23:22 |
| eyalroz | Until last week. | 23:22 |
| gnarface | so the dist-upgrade in question was a beowulf->beowulf dist-upgrade, to be clear? | 23:22 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: Yes. Sorry for not being clearer about that earlier ... | 23:23 |
| gnarface | no it's fine | 23:23 |
| gnarface | i'm just trying to form a clear mental picture of what could have happened | 23:23 |
| eyalroz | Sure, thanks. | 23:23 |
| gnarface | i wonder if your /var/log/apt/history.log* files still have a record of any removed packages during that upgrade? | 23:23 |
| gnarface | you might find the smoking gun in there | 23:24 |
| eyalroz | During that dist-upgrade, I had mostly install's and upgrade's, and the removes were: | 23:24 |
| eyalroz | cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin:amd64 | 23:24 |
| eyalroz | ... oh! ... Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 23:24 |
| gnarface | ah ha! evidence! | 23:25 |
| eyalroz | maybe I need to dpkg-reconfigure some stuff | 23:25 |
| gnarface | yea, i think you just found a package bug | 23:25 |
| gnarface | or something interrupted your upgrade | 23:25 |
| gnarface | reconfiguring or reinstalling the package(s) that choked very well might fix it | 23:25 |
| eyalroz | I vaguely remember something happening during the dist-upgrade, but I don't remember what, because right after that I think I re-issued the same command, or just apt-get install'ed with nothing or whatever. | 23:26 |
| gnarface | well you can check the output of "dpkg -l" and be suspicious of any lines that don't start with "ii" or "rc" | 23:27 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: All packages are either ii or rc. | 23:28 |
| gnarface | doh | 23:29 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: Running dpkg-reconfigure texlive-base now, maybe it'll help. | 23:29 |
| gnarface | all the packages being in "ii" or "rc" status doesn't prove there's no package bug, it just makes it harder to figure out for sure | 23:29 |
| gnarface | i was hoping we'd get lucky and see one clearly marked as some partial or borked status | 23:30 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: let us know if you find it | 23:56 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: I will; turning in now. Thanks. | 23:58 |
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