| fsmithred | free_rabbit, a graphical what?? | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| free_rabbit | some gui where you type in the password for disk decryption | 00:16 |
| fsmithred | um, what's the advantage? Either you type in a text box or you type on the bottom line in the console. | 00:21 |
| Walex | free_rabbit: some like VeraCrypt? | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | gotta go. bbl. | 00:23 |
| free_rabbit | it is for a computing beginner | 00:28 |
| free_rabbit | Walex: no | 00:28 |
| free_rabbit | Walex: something like plymouth | 00:28 |
| gnarface | free_rabbit: plymouth is in the banned packages list because it couldn't be extracted fully from systemd | 01:08 |
| gnarface | this has come up before though | 01:08 |
| gnarface | maybe there is a non-systemd fork of it somewhere | 01:09 |
| gnarface | or maybe something like it | 01:09 |
| gnarface | like i said, it came up before, and i think there was a suitable alternative found but i can't remember what | 01:12 |
| free_rab1it | gnarface: i thought that this is the reason thx | 01:33 |
| free_rab1it | gnarface: maybe this is something: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Plymouth#Alternative_plymouth_hook_(systemd) | 02:22 |
| free_rab1it | but im not sure what does it mean (hook?) i never used plymouth before... | 02:23 |
| gnarface | "hook" is like a generic term for a function call i guess | 02:26 |
| gnarface | or like a program startup or script run | 02:26 |
| free_rab1it | so this does not mean that plymouth can be run without systemd(eath) | 02:42 |
| gnarface | free_rab1it: it might mean that. i don't know, didn't read it. sorry | 02:46 |
| gnarface | is that what it says? | 02:46 |
| gnarface | it is believable | 02:46 |
| gnarface | if that's what you're asking | 02:46 |
| * Simeon2 cannot comment | 02:53 | |
| free_rabbit | ok | 02:54 |
| free_rabbit | *sigh* =( | 02:54 |
| free_rabbit | i wonder why a splash screen needs systemd... | 02:55 |
| free_rabbit | its only a gui for the decryption dialog... | 02:55 |
| free_rabbit | bye | 04:46 |
| systemdlete | looking for a free aquarium screensaver. Googling, it seems there was one with xscreensaver, but it might not be installed. I searched the repo but the only thing close was xfishtank, and I am not sure how to make that work. | 07:22 |
| systemdlete | I installed it, but it doesn't show up as a choice in xscreensaver | 07:23 |
| Guest66177 | http://0x0.st/zv30.png workaround for xfce4 (xfwm4) not inheriting proper background colors for task-switcher (tabwin.c) - make it transparent | 08:58 |
| gnarface | systemdlete: apt-cache search ^xscreensaver | 09:13 |
| gnarface | it is in one of those other packages | 09:14 |
| gnarface | (probably xscreensaver-gl or xscreensaver-gl-extra | 09:14 |
| gnarface | ) | 09:14 |
| systemdlete | gnarface: There is xscreensaver -data -gl gl-extra -bsod -dizzy -webcollage | 10:59 |
| r3boot | So basically, xscreensaver will look in $somedir for existing screensavers. Your xfishtank would need to have a symlink in this directory in order for xscreensaver to find it | 11:12 |
| systemdlete | wouldn't the package installer create the symlink? | 11:13 |
| r3boot | not if it's not a default screensaver | 11:13 |
| r3boot | err, only if it's a default screensaver | 11:13 |
| systemdlete | ok | 11:13 |
| r3boot | but you can basically make any program act like a screensaver, given you add the correct link/script to the above mentioned dir | 11:13 |
| * r3boot used to run mplayer with a video of rick ashley's never gonna give you up (w/o sound) as my screensaver :P | 11:14 | |
| gnarface | systemdlete: note that they are not all of the same quality | 11:34 |
| gnarface | some introduce instabilities, depending on various factors like video driver | 11:34 |
| systemdlete | right. Which is why I am not so sure I want to install all of them. | 11:35 |
| gnarface | and that webcollage thing i just wouldn't even now a days... but it's fun if you want to be suicidal... | 11:35 |
| systemdlete | What is the secret recipe again for listing the files in uninstalled packages? | 11:35 |
| gnarface | but i really wouldn't | 11:35 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 11:35 |
| gnarface | apt-file, if it still works? | 11:36 |
| gnarface | you'd have to install it | 11:36 |
| gnarface | it might be broken though | 11:36 |
| r3boot | dpkg -S | 11:36 |
| r3boot | or use packages.debian.org | 11:36 |
| systemdlete | weird. First time I tried to install apt-file, I got all kinds of nasty messages about network problems | 11:37 |
| systemdlete | second time, all is well. | 11:37 |
| systemdlete | apt-file list xscreensaver-gl shows nothing! | 11:39 |
| systemdlete | (I did apt-file update) | 11:40 |
| systemdlete | so... as you suspected, gnarface, it looks like apt-file might be broken? | 11:40 |
| gnarface | systemdlete: what happens when you run "apt-file update"? | 11:54 |
| systemdlete | well, it does about what I expect: It runs through all the url's in the repo file | 12:56 |
| systemdlete | probably to collect the data that it needs to be usable | 12:56 |
| systemdlete | that part works. It's the querying mode that doesn't do anything. | 12:56 |
| systemdlete | apt-file list xscreensaver-gl just returns to a prompt. | 12:57 |
| systemdlete | nvm gnarface. | 12:58 |
| systemdlete | Finger check. | 12:58 |
| systemdlete | problem occurred between brain and fingers. | 12:59 |
| systemdlete | I just ran apt-file on all those packages ^xscreensaver and none of them say anything about aquarium | 13:02 |
| onefang | Shouldn't you be fishing for xfishtank instead of aquarium? | 13:03 |
| systemdlete | I am looking for a screensaver. xfishtank is actually under games. | 13:04 |
| systemdlete | from what I can glean from googling, it seems that aquaria for linux are more or less defunct. There was one or two years ago (I'm talking c. 2005?) but the maintainers disappeared... | 13:06 |
| onefang | Hydrostat screensaver looks interesting. Still searching my xscreensaver collection. | 13:07 |
| onefang | Try Atlantis. | 13:09 |
| systemdlete | it's not installed. And apt-file doesn't list anything for it either. | 13:10 |
| onefang | It's installed here, and I just installed normal xscreensaver stuff. | 13:11 |
| systemdlete | devuan ascii? | 13:11 |
| onefang | Yep. | 13:11 |
| systemdlete | huh. | 13:12 |
| onefang | /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/atlantis.xml | 13:12 |
| gnarface | atlantis, yea that's it i think | 13:13 |
| systemdlete | which package is that from onefang? | 13:13 |
| gnarface | atlantis is the opengl one anyway | 13:14 |
| systemdlete | ooh... | 13:14 |
| gnarface | i think | 13:14 |
| systemdlete | xscreensaver-gl-extra | 13:14 |
| systemdlete | there's also a xscreensaver-gl package | 13:15 |
| onefang | xscreensaver-gl-extra | 13:15 |
| systemdlete | yep | 13:15 |
| gnarface | *might* not be very stable | 13:15 |
| systemdlete | and gnarface says he thinks that might be the source of instability | 13:15 |
| systemdlete | ^^ | 13:15 |
| systemdlete | I'd like a fishtank, but not THAT badly! | 13:16 |
| onefang | All those sharks swimming around your system are byting your system? | 13:16 |
| systemdlete | no, and I want to keep it that way, onefang! LOl | 13:16 |
| onefang | xscreensaver-gl has the hydrostat module, sorta squid looking things. | 13:17 |
| systemdlete | well, maybe I can find some other interesting screensaver instead. | 13:19 |
| systemdlete | thanks, onefang and gnarface. | 13:20 |
| onefang | If you could combine atlantis, hydrostat, and the coral screensavers, you could have an entire reef. B-) | 13:22 |
| r3boot | Dont forget electricsheep ;) | 13:22 |
| onefang | Is that available on Android? B-) | 13:23 |
| Guest66177 | onefang: try the rss-glx screensavers | 14:41 |
| Guest66177 | helios set to slow speed, with compositor is relaxing behind terminal windows | 14:42 |
| onefang | It's not me that's looking for fishy screen savers. | 14:42 |
| Guest66177 | btw 15 years ago i had an idea for window compositing that nobody ever implemented, and it's obvious and correct | 14:42 |
| r3boot | onefang: dont know. It should work under devuan :) | 14:42 |
| onefang | I just use a blank screen saver, delay, then monitor power off. The job of a screen saver is to save the screen, not to entertain. If I want entertainment, I have Netflix. | 14:44 |
| r3boot | Historically, a screensaver was meant to prevent burn-in of CRT's ;) You could argue that those are useless ever since we invented LED based screens and DPMS | 14:45 |
| onefang | Not wasting energy and locking the screen while I'm gone is still a good idea. | 14:46 |
| r3boot | then why even turn on your computer?? | 14:46 |
| r3boot | I mean, IRC'ing is also wasting energy in a sense :P | 14:47 |
| onefang | To do actual work with it, or to watch Netflix. ;-P | 14:47 |
| Guest66177 | devuan runs great on the nvidia jetson nano. thank you so much. | 14:51 |
| Venker | hi people | 15:39 |
| GoatAvenger | Venker: greetings | 15:42 |
| Venker | I've got an issue with cdist, anyone uses it? | 15:46 |
| r3boot | What issue? | 15:48 |
| Venker | I try to add a new host which could be accessable with a non-root user | 16:01 |
| Venker | 5.1.3 version is -in theory- able to do that | 16:01 |
| Venker | however, I don't understand well the logic of these config managers | 16:05 |
| Venker | where the global and custom config parameters are stored and what they mean | 16:06 |
| Guest66177 | never heard of it | 16:35 |
| Venker | ansible is too heavy to be deployed on targets and difficult to understand | 16:37 |
| Venker | so I searched for alternatives | 16:37 |
| nemo | hm. seem to have a dependency tree problem installing qtbase5-dev meta package in ascii | 16:48 |
| nemo | qtbase5-dev depends on libgl1-mesa-dev or libgl-dev (picked libgl-dev) libgl-dev depends on mesa-common-dev which depends on libdrm-dev which saaaaays | 16:48 |
| r3boot | Venker: whats difficult to understand wrt YAML? | 16:48 |
| nemo | libdrm-dev : Depends: libdrm-intel1 (= 2.4.74-1) but 2.4.95-1~bpo9+1 is to be installed | 16:48 |
| nemo | anyone have any ideas on this one? | 16:49 |
| nemo | the libdrm is part of stable-backports | 16:49 |
| nemo | so the libdrm-dev meta package was not bumped? | 16:49 |
| Venker | r3boot: it's not a YAML thing, but ansible concepts (roles, tasks...) | 16:49 |
| nemo | I don't actually remember installing this particular backport, but maybe it was for MATE or something... | 16:50 |
| nemo | oooh there *is* a libdrm-dev in stable backports | 16:50 |
| r3boot | Ah okay. you might also want to try mgmtconfig then, another lightweight alternative | 16:50 |
| nemo | guess I can install that one instead | 16:50 |
| nemo | yay that did it | 16:51 |
| Venker | r3boot: also, I don't wanna have python in targets to be mandatory. | 16:55 |
| Venker | r3boot: yes | 16:56 |
| r3boot | (thumbsup) | 16:57 |
| Venker | cdist only needs /bin/sh on targets | 16:59 |
| Venker | it's POSIX | 17:00 |
| Venker | cdist is python code but it only executes in the push machine | 17:01 |
| Guest66177 | does deb.devuan.org redirect to fastest local mirror? | 17:06 |
| Guest66177 | getting 19-36kB/s | 17:06 |
| armin | hello! is it nowadays possible to properly install devuan from a running iso live system? | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | armin, you can install the live isos directly or you can do a debootstrap install from the live isos | 17:24 |
| Evilham | Guest66177: nope, its a DNS round robin, maybe itll be possible to do sth smarter soon | 18:33 |
| Evilham | Those speeds dont sound rightt though | 18:33 |
| nemo | is it difficult to convert a debian stable to devuan? | 19:13 |
| buZz | well | 19:13 |
| buZz | you would be going from debian10 to devuan9 , if you want to remain on stable | 19:14 |
| buZz | i wouldnt recommend that :P | 19:14 |
| furrywolf | moving to devuan testing would be the obvious path. | 19:14 |
| buZz | beowulf (our 10.0) is getting more-done every day but isnt yet | 19:14 |
| buZz | otoh , i'm running beowulf for weeks now and dont have much issues | 19:14 |
| golinux | furrywolf: The current Devuan testing is beowulf > buster | 19:15 |
| golinux | It is not in sync with current Debian testing. | 19:16 |
| golinux | That is why we recommend using release names in sources.list | 19:16 |
| nemo | so. is there any current debian that matches ascii? oldstable? | 19:24 |
| fsmithred | not exactly | 19:24 |
| fsmithred | well, stretch matches ascii | 19:25 |
| fsmithred | but oldstable does not | 19:25 |
| nemo | ah | 19:25 |
| golinux | nemo: Please read the last section on this page: https://beta.devuan.org/os/releases | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | if you use oldstable you'll get debian packages from stretch and devuan packages from jessie | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | until beowulf becomes stable and we are once again in sync with debian | 19:26 |
| golinux | That has now been memorialized in the page mentioned above | 19:27 |
| golinux | Bottom line . . . use the release codename and forget about stable, testing, unstable for devuan sources | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | or suffer the slings and arrows of mis-matched versions | 19:30 |
| nemo | kk | 19:34 |
| sicelo | hi, if i want to use/try beowulf, i first install ascii, then upgrade? | 21:20 |
| gnarface | sicelo: yes | 21:23 |
| sicelo | thanks. | 21:24 |
| gnarface | no problem | 21:24 |
| dgriffi | critical question... Do the install images include nonfree firmware as do the Debian images at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ ? | 23:15 |
| TwistedFate | why does the network status affect the boot sequence? when i lost network connection today, MTA/exim4 slowed down my OS boot to a crawl | 23:22 |
| TwistedFate | and xorg refused to start because there was no valid nameservers available | 23:23 |
| MinceR | it seems exim is waiting for an internet connection for some reason | 23:24 |
| MinceR | this isn't new | 23:24 |
| MinceR | my "fix" was to replace it with postfix | 23:24 |
| yeti | DNS? | 23:27 |
| MinceR | could be | 23:27 |
| yeti | I just switched to opensmtpd | 23:27 |
| yeti | currently only local delivery | 23:28 |
| yeti | but later mor shall come | 23:28 |
| TwistedFate | i'm shocked that being without a DNS has anything to do with starting a video server | 23:28 |
| yeti | <--- no multimedia guy | 23:28 |
| golinux | dgriffi: From the Release Notes: All Devuan 2.1 ASCII install media make non-free firmware packages available at install time. In the majority of the cases, these packages are needed (and will be installed) only if your wifi adapter requires them. It is possible to avoid the automatic installation and loading of needed non-free firmware by choosing the "Expert install" option in the installation menu. | 23:29 |
| TwistedFate | you live in tty? | 23:29 |
| yeti | xterm | 23:29 |
| yeti | mostly | 23:29 |
| yeti | mail and surfing in GUI | 23:29 |
| TwistedFate | so you do use xorg | 23:30 |
| yeti | whatever X11 is there... | 23:30 |
| TwistedFate | xorg refused to start for me today because it had no valid dns | 23:30 |
| yeti | strange | 23:30 |
| yeti | clock applet somewhere waiting for ntp? | 23:31 |
| golinux | dgriffi: ASCII Release Notes are here: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 23:32 |
| yeti | hmmm... some update killed my wifi (cubietruck) | 23:33 |
| yeti | luclily cablenet still works | 23:33 |
| yeti | beowulf... | 23:34 |
| yeti | well... I wanted to switch back to copper... it just got accelerated by that update | 23:35 |
| MinceR | 30 233036 < TwistedFate> xorg refused to start for me today because it had no valid dns | 23:37 |
| MinceR | maybe something's missing from /etc/hosts? | 23:37 |
| TwistedFate | MinceR: looks like all is there, but still, why does that affect the xorg? | 23:37 |
| MinceR | well, X can use a tcp connection to have clients connect to the server, iirc | 23:38 |
| MinceR | it usually uses unix domain sockets | 23:38 |
| MinceR | but it might do some setup for the other one | 23:38 |
| MinceR | also, it likes to know what host clients are from, so it can show you sometimes | 23:38 |
| TwistedFate | does it use networking for a single local computer? | 23:38 |
| MinceR | it can | 23:38 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if it can be configured not to | 23:39 |
| MinceR | and in any case, it might be configured to make it possible to use tcp to connect to your x server | 23:39 |
| MinceR | by default | 23:39 |
| TwistedFate | if it's not setup to run locally by default, that's insane | 23:40 |
| TwistedFate | if it requires network | 23:40 |
| MinceR | the installer usually does some setup for /etc/hosts that it might depend on | 23:44 |
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