libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2019-11-17

agrishttps://0x0.st/z6Sg.png01:38
agrisI don't know which tool to believe01:38
agristhey are giving me conflicting information01:38
Digitu-oh, [since installing something(?)](?) i keep getting "... terminated by signal SIGSEGV (Address boundary error)" on anything i try to start.  htop, top, even apt.  not sure how to diagnose or fix.  is it likely software or hardware?03:52
furrywolfwas it glibc or something else major?  did you try a reboot?  warning: may not come back up.03:53
Digiti was poking around installing web browsers, idk, coulda pulled in some serious deps.   /  okies.  systemrescuecd pendrive on standby.  will try a reboot... in a bit.03:54
tuxd3vbetter don't try a reboot03:59
furrywolfit's also possible you're experiencing a hardware failure.04:00
* tuxd3v tuxd3v...traumatized looking to his NAS..04:01
Digitooh.  can haz apt, with su, not sudo.  :)08:15
yetissh root@localhost apt ...09:41
yetiif ssh is open, thats a 3rd way09:41
Digitoh cool09:41
yetiI used that on a phone a while09:41
yetiI prefer sudo now because it minimises my time spent as root. su -c is too complicated and explicit root shells make one do far too much as root09:44
onefangThough typically root ssh is disabled.09:45
yetinope09:45
gnarfacewell, it should be, but isn't it still on by default in the default install?09:45
gnarfaceor did they finally change that?09:45
yetiTHEY = thousands of distros09:45
yetiI bet there still is no consensus about this09:46
gnarfaceeither way, after every install yes you SHOULD make sure it is disabled, and you SHOULD also disable password authentication (only use passwords long enough to setup keys then use only keys after that)09:46
yetinope09:46
gnarfacebut i guess Kerberos relies on it not only being enabled but without a password???09:46
onefangWell, on MY boxen I disable ssh root and passwords, then use sudo.09:46
yetiinfor ppl about the risks and let them draw their own conclusions09:46
gnarfacei think in BSD it's typically disabled by default but not in Linux distros09:47
yetithrowing SHOULDs at hem is the wrong way09:47
onefangSee?  That's two out of three of us that agree it should be disabled.  That works as "typically" enough for me.  B-)09:48
gnarfacewell the big risk is someone else logs in before you disable it...09:48
Digitpermission denied for ssh root@localhost, yup.  no 3rd way for me.  su's fine for now.  :)09:48
yeti<sledge hammer voice> trust me! I know what I'm doing! </sledge hammer voice>  :-P09:50
onefangDid I mention my server is sledjhamr.org?  B-)09:51
yetiseen that09:51
yetisomewhere09:51
yetimirror statistics page?09:51
onefangYep, also one of the mirrors.09:52
onefangWell, not stats, just checking.  Actual stats and graphs is coming.09:52
igraltisthi14:53
igraltisti need php7.1 where can i get the package for?14:54
igraltistat moment ascii is running14:54
gnarfacei don't think there's a package for it in ascii14:56
gnarfacemight not be a package in debian at all yet14:56
yeti2:7.3+69 in beowulf14:57
gnarfacehmmm, yea true...14:57
gnarfaceno sign of it in backports14:57
gnarfaceso that means you're basically down to using beowulf or building it yourself14:58
yetigrab it by the debsources \o/14:58
yetimaybe an own backport succeeds14:58
igraltisti do going to beowulf15:01
EHeMlifebook was pointing to the same thing I was pointing to 12 hours earlier.  Presently Devuan-security has Ghostscript 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u5, apparently 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u6 covers additional CVEs yet doesn't exist in Devuan except for the libgs9-common package.15:58
EHeMFor systems which have `sudo`, you can simply run `sudo bash`.15:59
EHeMI don't know whether it helps with the situation you're concerned with, but in a root shell you can always run the command "suspend" and do things as normal user until you need root again.16:00
EHeMOkay, that is funky...  https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ reports libgs9-common being at 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u5, yet APT is able to retrieve 9.26a~dfsg-0+deb9u6 from the mirrors (installation won't work due to missing versions of the other packages).16:07
fsmithredEHeM, do you have auto.mirror.devuan.org or packages.devuan.org in sources.list?17:17
fsmithredwithout those, I don't see the newer version, but with them I do.17:18
fsmithredpkgmaster is lagging again. I've passed along the message.17:18
furrywolfsomeone yesterday or the day before was saying packages. isn't usable because it's returning an expired cert17:19
fsmithredit seems to be working here17:20
furrywolfwith https?17:20
fsmithredoh, no. duh.17:20
furrywolf" The certificate expired on January 22, 2019, 1:05 PM. The current time is November 17, 2019, 8:20 AM."  heh17:21
fsmithredand it's just coming up now? That seems a little odd.17:21
furrywolfI think most people, including myself, don't use https, and thus no one has noticed.17:22
furrywolfbbl, need to run some errands, and swing by a yard sale that sounds like it has good tools.17:24
fsmithredhappy hunting17:24
EHeMfsmithred: Using us.deb.devuan.org as that is one of the recommended options (yes, I know right now it is merely a round-robin between non-US mirrors; if in the future a US mirror is created, I should be saving bandwidth); not using SSL since for a long time that wasn't supported at all.18:27
golinuxEHeM: The recommendation to use us.deb.devuan.org has bee removed from current documentation.  Please let me know if I missed it somewhere18:31
xkr47just found this http://www.trek.eu.org/devel/sysd2v/ while reading this https://www.patreon.com/posts/converting-units-3163393319:47
xkr47title: "Converting systemd units to init style shell scripts"19:47
xkr47please consider supporting Jesse Smith @ patreon also :)19:48
Digiti heard debian are amidst rumblings mulling over init freedom.  such might be useful for them.19:48
xkr47yeah.. but might help devuan also by potentially decreasing the number of init scripts that need to be manually created19:49
golinuxhttps://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002 and https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002https://lwn.net/ml/debian-vote/24014.36 ... nd.org.uk/19:49
xkr47thx!19:49
Digityup.  :)19:50
golinuxOops second on is broken19:50
golinuxhttps://lwn.net/ml/debian-vote/24014.36465.436524.968683@chiark.greenend.org.uk/19:50
golinuxThat's better19:50
xkr47thx!19:50
ErRandirInteresting reads. I'm glad Devuan has mostly moved beyond that discussion, and we can "just" enjoy the distro21:36
Digit:)21:38

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