onefang | As I understand it, applications that change the blue tint of your screen need to know where you are, coz it's not just time based, it's sunrise/sunset based. And that changes depending on time of year and physical location. | 00:19 |
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fsmithred | onefang, you are correct, and the app is wrong about when I want red or blue. I do it manually (through a script with selections.) | 00:39 |
onefang | Some monitors have a light detector for that reason. I think one of mine does, I probably disabled it I use dark themes. Phones also have light monitors, but I use OLED phones, with dark themes. OLED and dark themes means less of a problem with blue light exposure. And better battery life. I even use an extension to force web sites to a dark theme. | 00:46 |
tadanoaho | hi, is there any definitive way to verify gpg sigs of isos? i can't find any. there's /os/ page which only lists 32bit fingerprints, there's manual to add devuan-keyring if you're already on debian. is there a page on https official website that shows ISO signature key? | 07:12 |
tadanoaho | that should be on the download page | 07:14 |
Leander | tadanoaho: have a look at the SHA256SUMS.asc file | 07:47 |
Leander | it's actually in the README, for instance: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/README.txt | 07:49 |
tadanoaho | thanks, just found it | 07:50 |
tadanoaho | there's an issue with devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_desktop-live.iso signature (SHA256SUMS.txt.asc) it's signed with expired key | 07:51 |
tadanoaho | at the same time devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_dvd-1.iso is signed with a different key | 07:52 |
tadanoaho | both signatures are valid but "live"'s key ( fsmithred ) is expired | 07:53 |
telmich | re | 10:13 |
fsmithred | tadanoaho, what keyserver are you using? | 10:51 |
tadanoaho | fsmithred im not using any keyservers, i use devuan-devs.gpg and sha256sums.txt.asc features valid signature made with your expired key | 11:24 |
tadanoaho | for devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_desktop-live.iso | 11:24 |
tadanoaho | and i don't exactly understand what's "onelove at devuan" key for in this case, isn't it explicitly labeled cdimage key? | 11:28 |
tadanoaho | i'm a new user, just discovered this distro today and like it for getting rid of systemd | 11:28 |
poontangmessiah | after a long night of screwing around turns out the issue isn't just with redshift | 15:03 |
poontangmessiah | simply switching from X to tty and vice versa freezes X permanently | 15:03 |
fsmithred | poontangmessiah, I finally got beowulf installed and tested redshift. It works normally here. | 15:03 |
poontangmessiah | i also now know that this isn't caused by --no-install-recommends | 15:04 |
fsmithred | ok | 15:04 |
poontangmessiah | and it's window manager and display manager independent | 15:04 |
fsmithred | what's your hardware? | 15:04 |
poontangmessiah | amd r2/3/4 | 15:04 |
poontangmessiah | linux can't seem to detect which of it | 15:05 |
fsmithred | which kernel are you using? | 15:05 |
poontangmessiah | 4.19 | 15:05 |
fsmithred | oh right, beowulf | 15:05 |
poontangmessiah | i'm gonna test again on ascii, if it works then this it's a bug, if not, i'm trashing this laptop because i've been using devuan ascii on my other computers for years | 15:06 |
fsmithred | I don't know if there's a buster backports kernel yet, but that might be worth trying | 15:06 |
poontangmessiah | amd was a mistake | 15:06 |
fsmithred | some ryzens need newer kernel than what's in ascii | 15:06 |
fsmithred | did you install amd firmware? | 15:07 |
fsmithred | firmware-amd-graphics | 15:07 |
poontangmessiah | Yes, everything is there | 15:07 |
poontangmessiah | i need 4.19 to build my wireless drivers otherwise i'll just stay on ascii | 15:08 |
Hum | Is this the best "howto" for migrating to beowulf? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 | 15:11 |
fsmithred | Hum, no, that's too old | 15:12 |
fsmithred | you're going from ascii to beowulf? | 15:12 |
fsmithred | Hum, change 'ascii' to 'beowulf' in sources.list, then apt update and apt upgrade | 15:13 |
Hum | ok | 15:14 |
Hum | thx fsmithred | 15:14 |
fsmithred | yw | 15:14 |
Hum | no pinning? | 15:14 |
fsmithred | depending on what's installed, it should be easy | 15:14 |
fsmithred | do you have anything pinned now? | 15:14 |
Hum | Package: systemd-sysv; Pin: release o=Debian; Pin-Priority: -1 # ;) | 15:15 |
fsmithred | don't need it, but it won't hurt anything if it's there | 15:15 |
Hum | :D proposed and backport aren't found ;) | 15:17 |
fsmithred | correct. Comment those out. | 15:18 |
Hum | yes | 15:18 |
Hum | update for 2295 Packages. Btw is there no actual documentiation about upgrading because of the lack of manpower? | 15:18 |
fsmithred | because beowulf is still in testing | 15:19 |
fsmithred | if you want to help with updating the existing docs, that might be good | 15:19 |
Hum | yes, it is testing. But asking a question in gajim xmpp-channel resulted in "Ohhh, your gajim is quite old" | 15:20 |
Hum | fsmithred: I can try | 15:20 |
Hum | I have a blog at https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/user:hum should I put it there? | 15:21 |
Hum | then it can be copied/moved to anywhere else. If necessary I can state, that another copyright GFDL/some CC are Ok. | 15:23 |
Hum | is it migrating, upgrading or dist-upgrading from ascii to beowulf? | 15:25 |
fsmithred | Hum, yeah, you can put it there. | 15:32 |
fsmithred | migrate usually refers to going from debian to devuan | 15:32 |
Hum | fsmithred: Ok, thx | 15:33 |
fsmithred | upgrade (or dist-upgrade) would be ascii to beowulf | 15:33 |
fsmithred | one more thing... | 15:33 |
Hum | fsmithred: ? | 15:33 |
fsmithred | devuan is based on debian, so ALL the software is old | 15:33 |
fsmithred | it's a feature | 15:33 |
Hum | it is a feature, if I can switch it off ;) I hope to change it by dist-upgrading | 15:34 |
fsmithred | it'll still be old | 15:37 |
fsmithred | just less old | 15:37 |
Hum | :D yeah you are right | 15:37 |
fsmithred | new=buggy | 15:38 |
mason | We need a dpkg-like bot to explain SNS. | 15:38 |
mason | 09:38 < dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. | 15:39 |
Hum | mason: what does ssb mean? | 15:41 |
mason | Hum: Not sure. Something-source-build at a guess. | 15:42 |
mason | based on context | 15:42 |
mason | Ah, I'm guessing "sid source build". | 15:43 |
Hum | thx | 15:44 |
mason | 1138 | 15:45 |
poontangmessiah | i wonder what packages are in tasksel's Console productivity and Devuan operating system | 15:55 |
fsmithred | poontangmessiah, https://git.devuan.org/sdk/live-sdk/blob/master/blends/devuan-minimal-live/ascii/config | 16:15 |
fsmithred | oh, that might not be the same | 16:15 |
fsmithred | apt-cache depends task-console-productivity | 16:17 |
mason | or tasksel --task-packages foo | 16:26 |
Hum | fsmithred: https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/user:hum_upgradin_from_ascii_to_beowulf | 16:28 |
fsmithred | Hum, last line typo: change source.list to sources.list | 16:32 |
fsmithred | and thanks! | 16:32 |
fsmithred | oh, and in the title: upgradin/upgrading | 16:33 |
Hum | fsmithred: added s, adding g | 16:33 |
fsmithred | I passed the link along to golinux. | 16:34 |
Hum | fsmithred: The link will change because of missing g | 16:35 |
fsmithred | oh yeah | 16:35 |
fsmithred | thanks | 16:35 |
Hum | rename doesn't work | 16:35 |
fsmithred | you can't make another and delete the first? | 16:37 |
Hum | yes, now https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/user:hum_upgrading_from_ascii_to_beowulf | 16:39 |
fsmithred | cool | 16:40 |
fsmithred | you write them like I do - short and to the point | 16:40 |
Hum | thx. I tried to do more formatting, but writing it in pandoc's markdown and converting it is not perfect. Pandoc's output plugin for dokuwiki isn't perfect | 16:41 |
fsmithred | don't worry about it. It will get converted to html eventually. | 16:42 |
fsmithred | and there may end up being more instructions for special cases | 16:42 |
poontangmessiah | fsmithred, stuff is finally working perfectly on 4.9.0 | 16:46 |
poontangmessiah | Now i need to figure out how to get 4.19 without screwing everything up | 16:47 |
Hum | I wrote in markdown, do you want that file? | 16:49 |
Hum | poontangmessiah: Do you know the problem, when using a newer kernel and newer btrfs features and then crashing the computer and having problems with repairing the filesystem? | 16:50 |
Hum | especially the devuan boot image with old kernel won't accept the btrfs with new features | 16:51 |
poontangmessiah | Hum, never had that issue | 16:52 |
Hum | it was faster to me to reinstall the system... | 16:53 |
poontangmessiah | also why the hell does devuan insist on installing exim4 | 16:55 |
yeti | does it? | 17:02 |
fsmithred | yeah | 17:04 |
fsmithred | with full desktop install | 17:04 |
fsmithred | it gets used for sending system messages to root or primary user | 17:05 |
yeti | it allows other mtas too | 17:05 |
yeti | I use opensmtpd | 17:06 |
yeti | insinsting on a mta makes sense for any *nix | 17:06 |
yeti | any=every | 17:06 |
Human_G33k | hello is devuan release it s own buster ? | 18:32 |
unixman | Human_G33k, https://files.devuan.org/ has the latest release. | 18:34 |
unixman | I don't see a buster. | 18:34 |
Human_G33k | do you know when ? | 18:35 |
unixman | Nope. But I imagine "when it's ready" is when. ;) | 18:35 |
yeti | nstall ascii, upgrad to beowulf, help killing the last bugs? | 18:36 |
Human_G33k | yeti, already doing it. | 18:37 |
yeti | I mostly live in xterm and screen and beowulf is stable enough for my needs | 18:38 |
Human_G33k | i use it want to replace some server | 18:39 |
Human_G33k | and for now there is issues and the bigist is time for all of us. | 18:39 |
Human_G33k | some of my device need to be in testing (debian) but i want to migrate to testing equivalent for devuan but never coming | 18:41 |
huuhhh | what and where are the startup scripts for devuan located? I am still trying to get rid of wicd so Network-manager will work. I removed 'wicd' file from init.d, but I got some parm error wicd failed come up. What is the script that is calling that? | 18:41 |
Human_G33k | huuhhh, /etc/init.d/ ? or user side ? | 18:42 |
yeti | I've no system with wicd running atm | 18:42 |
huuhhh | I don't know what user side means, but I removed wicd from init.d, but something else is trying to bring it up at start. Network manager sees the wireless networks but doesn't connect. | 18:44 |
yeti | check for links in /etc/rc?.d | 18:44 |
unixman | huuhhh, /etc/xdg/autostart/wicd-tray.desktop maybe? | 18:45 |
Human_G33k | try an apt-file list wicd | 18:48 |
huuhhh | I see reference in all the /etc/rc* to wicd... this is too much work | 18:49 |
huuhhh | yeti, how did you install and not have wicd? I would rather reinstall at this point, if there is a way to have network-manager | 18:50 |
golinux | Hum: Documentation can also go here: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-doc/documentation/tree/master/dev1fanboy | 18:51 |
huuhhh | network-manager doesn't work right even when I stop the wicd service and start network-manager... it does see the networks but never manages to connect | 18:52 |
golinux | And will eventually go here: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/tree/beta.devuan.org/source/pages/os/documentation/dev1fanboy | 18:53 |
golinux | You could also post it on dev1galaxy.org | 18:54 |
yeti | I dont use a network manager | 18:58 |
yeti | just /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/... | 18:59 |
huuhhh | I need to use network-manager because it gives an easy way to bridge wifi to ethernet and share the wifi with other devices. If I can't do this, I'm not going to be using this distro. | 19:01 |
huuhhh | wicd is garbage | 19:01 |
djph | okay, use something else then. Plenty of distros on the internet. | 19:03 |
huuhhh | no | 19:07 |
huuhhh | fix this one | 19:07 |
yeti | read about hostapd and bridge | 19:07 |
yeti | or put openwrt in a VM | 19:08 |
Hum | huuhhh: What device is the wan, eth0 or wifi? | 19:08 |
huuhhh | wifi | 19:08 |
huuhhh | in network-manager you can select "share with other computers" under the ipv4 tab | 19:09 |
huuhhh | of eth0 | 19:09 |
unixman | Creating a bridged interface on Linux isn't difficult from what I recall. Granted I only do that with servers that are headless in a data center. But I suspect one could create a bridged interface and use it with wicd. | 19:10 |
Hum | I prefer NAT, just looking for a script | 19:12 |
unixman | Yup, not hard: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections | 19:12 |
fsmithred | wlan0 | 19:13 |
huuhhh | Yeti- I read a lot and tried a bunch of different things to set up dhpc server and nothing worked, all it did was make me less confident that I would ever be happy with linux, then I read a way to do it in network-manager that was very very easy compared to all these ways of 'bridging' so I did that | 19:13 |
huuhhh | unixman, it did not work | 19:14 |
unixman | Okay. | 19:14 |
Hum | damn, I get a new firefox and it resists on creating a new profile without importing my old seting | 19:18 |
Hum | settings | 19:18 |
huuhhh | how can I totally remove wicd for the purpose of testing network-manager, but be able to bring it back up while offline, in case network-manager doesn't work? | 19:25 |
huuhhh | comeon guys, bridging wifi to ethernet is a basic thing that people are going to want to implement on their computers, that microsoft figured out a long time ago... if you choose wicd over network-manager you remove that utility. | 19:31 |
huuhhh | and makes the system less useful | 19:31 |
fsmithred | update-rc.d wicd remove | 19:35 |
fsmithred | update-rc.d wicd defaults (to restore it) | 19:35 |
mason | huuhhh: ifconfig should be there to bridge between configs if you land yourself in a gap between your target network managers. | 19:37 |
mason | and wpa_supplicant if you're talking about wifi | 19:37 |
Hum | golinux: Did you have a look at the (low) quality of https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/user:hum_upgradin_from_ascii_to_beowulf ? Of course you can take it to the official documentation, but the text formatting is not so creative | 20:04 |
Hum | btw I don't understand which text should go where. Forum, Wiki, official (?) documentation in the git repo? | 20:06 |
huuhhh | suggestion for feature in the next updates http://i.imgur.com/3799n8h.png | 20:08 |
Hum | huuhhh: maybe lack of manpower? | 20:11 |
huuhhh | fsmithred, thank you for the time saver, however now I get a message about wicd "could not connect to d-bus interface" over the network applet and still cannot connect to access points although it goes through the motions of trying | 20:11 |
huuhhh | something is still trying to implement wicd, although when I "sudo service wicd stop" I get "wicd not found" | 20:13 |
fsmithred | aptitude purge wicd-daemon | 20:15 |
fsmithred | or | 20:15 |
fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep wicd | 20:15 |
fsmithred | will show you what wicd packages are still installed | 20:15 |
fsmithred | oh... | 20:15 |
yeti | maybe a gui helper in some bar is trying to contact wicd-daemon | 20:16 |
fsmithred | Apps menu, Settings, Session and Startup, Application Autostart | 20:16 |
fsmithred | un-check wicd | 20:16 |
huuhhh | I don't know how to restore wicd after packages are removed so am scared to use purge | 21:03 |
huuhhh | removing the startup checkbox got rid of that alert about dbus though | 21:04 |
fsmithred | the update-rc.d commands don't remove the package. They just remove/replace the links for the init script. | 21:14 |
fsmithred | the links that tell wicd in which runlevels it should be running or not | 21:14 |
huuhhh | yes, I ran those commands and it stopped the error I saw in the bootup text | 21:16 |
fsmithred | run the first to keep wicd turned off (across reboots) ; and the second to turn it back on | 21:20 |
fsmithred | so you should have only run the first one, unless you're planning to use wicd | 21:21 |
Hum | huuhhh: i am not sure, but apt-get --download-only install wicd makes sure that it is downloaded in /var/cache/apt/archives . Then you can install it without internet-connection | 21:34 |
huuhhh | can apt-get install from local or do I have to use dpkg? | 21:43 |
huuhhh | yeah the update-rc.d command worked well, no problem there | 21:45 |
mason | huuhhh: apt can install from a local file - not remembering if apt-get does it | 21:45 |
fsmithred | I don't think so | 21:48 |
fsmithred | use 'dpkg -i <package>' | 21:48 |
fsmithred | package.deb I mean | 21:49 |
onefang | If you have not cleared your apt cache, any new install will grab the file from there instead of downloading it again, unless there's been a new version in the mean time. Or use dpkg on a file like fsmithred said. | 22:04 |
init_fr33d0m | hi | 22:20 |
fsmithred | if you have a question, just ask it | 22:23 |
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