MinceR | hny | 00:04 |
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prfilser | nhy | 00:06 |
gnarface | happy new year everybody | 00:33 |
golinux | Thankfully it's almost over for another year. Rinse and repeat the season torture in 9 months - that's when it starts in the US.. . . | 01:10 |
rwp | golinux, Remember. It's always darkest just before it is pitch black! :-) | 01:58 |
golinux | LOL! | 02:01 |
yeti | The Brightest Part of a Shadow is in the Middle >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9c8oZ49pFc | 10:01 |
se7en | Happy New Year | 12:54 |
prfilser | hiya se7en . in good news conversion of M$ .FON to .bdf.sfd works nicely with fontforge | 12:56 |
se7en | what | 12:57 |
prfilser | working on a port to linux - hopefully someday devuan | 12:58 |
se7en | Microsoft .FON to Berkly Distribution Frontieer .San Fransisco (?) | 12:58 |
prfilser | ah no the .bdf.sfd is broken. plain .bdf font works though | 13:02 |
se7en | I don't know what these formats are | 13:13 |
onefang | They are font formats, prfilser may think you are someone else that was discussing this before. | 13:23 |
onefang | I think it was gnarface. | 13:24 |
gnarface | yes, it was me but i still have nothing to add | 16:37 |
FlibberTGibbet | happy new year all | 17:54 |
prfilser | Joe vs Volcano | 17:54 |
gnarface | happy new year | 17:59 |
furrywolf | meh. meh, I say. | 18:03 |
FlibberTGibbet | happy arbitrary calendar digit changes to you too then, furrywolf :) | 19:09 |
frabbit | hi. i get an gdbus error after i logged in 4 a lxde session via lightdm: https://paste2.org/tkFBmgdO' | 21:38 |
frabbit | if i want to open usb sticks i get: "Not authorized to perform operation" | 21:39 |
frabbit | i installed lxde-core yesterday and then i could used usb sticks, but on shutdown i got some other gdbus error (couldnt red it) and now after boot i always cant use external devices and get this error everytime i log in... | 21:41 |
frabbit | its not my computer, i dont use gui fm and other stuff, so im not familiar with these programs... | 21:41 |
gnarface | frabbit: did you look at the release notes about elogind and consolekit being mutually exclusive? | 21:46 |
frabbit | gnarface: no. what does that mean? | 21:47 |
gnarface | frabbit: you should really read the release notes, but if you're using lightdm i think it means you need to make sure you have elogind installed and consolekit uninstalled | 21:48 |
frabbit | gnarface: if i do that apt want to remove all lxde stuff too... | 21:51 |
frabbit | elogind and console are installed here | 21:51 |
frabbit | *consolekit | 21:51 |
fsmithred | which libpolkit packages do you have? The ones that go with elogind or the ones that go with consolekit? | 21:52 |
frabbit | fsmithred: https://paste2.org/GzmgMNeV | 21:58 |
fsmithred | try to replace the libpolkit-backend and -gobject with the -elogind equivalents | 22:00 |
fsmithred | CAVEAT... | 22:00 |
fsmithred | we left lxde out of the choices on the installation media because the polkit stuff was wonky | 22:01 |
fsmithred | in other words, if you can figure out how to get everything to work right, let me know | 22:01 |
fsmithred | is pcmanfm installed? | 22:01 |
fsmithred | you should be able to mount/unmount removable media with that, maybe need to add pmount | 22:02 |
frabbit | yes pcmanfm is installed, i have the mounting problem with pcmanfm... | 22:03 |
fsmithred | are policykit-1 and policykit-1-gnome installed? | 22:03 |
frabbit | CAVEAT? what can happen if i try to replace them? | 22:04 |
fsmithred | maybe reboot/shutdown in menu stop working | 22:05 |
frabbit | fsmithred: only policykit-1 is installed | 22:05 |
fsmithred | ok, first thing to try is to add policykit-1-gnome | 22:05 |
frabbit | fsmithred: shutdown already doesnt work (sorry ive forgot to tell u) | 22:05 |
fsmithred | lol, ok. It might get better soon. | 22:05 |
frabbit | i always have to log out and use shutdown from lightdm menu | 22:05 |
frabbit | ok =( | 22:06 |
frabbit | =) | 22:06 |
fsmithred | ??? | 22:06 |
fsmithred | I always have a terminal open. Solves a lot of problems. | 22:06 |
fsmithred | if the desktop does not want to obey you, go over its head | 22:06 |
frabbit | fatalerrors: hm? | 22:07 |
frabbit | fsmithred: hm? | 22:07 |
frabbit | fatalerrors: (sorry failed the tab...) | 22:07 |
fsmithred | what's happening? | 22:09 |
frabbit | fsmithred: i just dont understand ur last sentences | 22:11 |
frabbit | ok ive rebooted now and get the same error | 22:12 |
fsmithred | what changes did you make before reboot? | 22:12 |
frabbit | installed policykit-1-gnome | 22:12 |
fsmithred | try removable media and then try reboot button | 22:13 |
frabbit | removable media fails too | 22:13 |
frabbit | also reboot | 22:13 |
frabbit | i get error | 22:13 |
fsmithred | does it say "stable" or "ascii" in /etc/apt/sources.list? | 22:14 |
frabbit | ascii | 22:16 |
fsmithred | good | 22:17 |
fsmithred | next thing to try is the libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0 with the -elogind equivalents | 22:18 |
fsmithred | replace | 22:19 |
fsmithred | install libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0 | 22:19 |
frabbit | ok | 22:21 |
frabbit | fsmithred: apt wnat to remove lxde stuff again then... =( | 22:23 |
frabbit | *want | 22:23 |
fsmithred | metapackages are a pain in the ass | 22:23 |
fsmithred | how many? | 22:23 |
fsmithred | you could manually install them if it's just a few | 22:23 |
frabbit | ehh metapackages? | 22:25 |
fsmithred | lxde is a metapackage that has nothing on its own but pulls in all the packages you might need for lxde to work | 22:26 |
frabbit | it want to remove lxde-core, lxsession, openbox-lxde-session, lightlocker etc. | 22:26 |
fsmithred | if you try to remove one of the packages it pulled in, it wants to remove everything | 22:26 |
fsmithred | yeah | 22:26 |
fsmithred | if you 'apt-get install...' those packages, they should stay. | 22:27 |
frabbit | i didnt installed lxde i just installed lxde-core, obconf and lxsession.. i think | 22:27 |
fsmithred | they get marked as manually installed | 22:27 |
frabbit | no it was not lxde-icon-theme not lxsession.. | 22:29 |
frabbit | *no it was lxde-icon-theme not lxsession.. | 22:29 |
fsmithred | there's also lxpolkit. I don't know if that helps. | 22:31 |
frabbit | lxpolkit is already installed | 22:32 |
fsmithred | I don't know what to tell you. | 22:32 |
frabbit | =( | 22:32 |
frabbit | but so weird after install there was no problem, only at first shutdown... | 22:33 |
fsmithred | I use openbox with lxpanel, pmount with spacefm or pcmanfm, and sudo to reboot or shutdown | 22:33 |
fsmithred | oh | 22:33 |
fsmithred | try creating a new user and testing, or try deleting (moving) your user's desktop configs and log in | 22:34 |
frabbit | i have all this to here, except pmount and sudo, but terminal stuff is not an option here... it need to be all clickable by mouse... | 22:34 |
frabbit | fsmithred: ok | 22:34 |
frabbit | lol... | 22:35 |
prfilser | openbox needs dbus | 22:35 |
fsmithred | I have clicky shutdown and reboot - added them to the openbox menu, sudo nopasswd and no verification prompt - you click and it does | 22:36 |
frabbit | it locks the seesion and then freezes here after some time (im switching between computers using a vm here) | 22:36 |
frabbit | fsmithred: no openboxmenu here.. to complicated... i need setup with desktop symbols only... | 22:36 |
frabbit | will try now new user... | 22:36 |
fsmithred | how do you feel about qt? | 22:37 |
fsmithred | all this stuff works in lxqt | 22:37 |
frabbit | fsmithred: with new user same problems... | 22:37 |
frabbit | ah ok is that so... | 22:37 |
fsmithred | new user won't know the difference | 22:38 |
fsmithred | point to the icon, and so on | 22:38 |
prfilser | i installed devuan for a grandma and she has had 0 problems in 19 months | 22:39 |
specing | inb4 grandma died 19 months ago | 22:40 |
frabbit | prfilser: so what? | 22:40 |
prfilser | she had win7 on it and thought she needed a new computer because it was unusably slow | 22:41 |
frabbit | fsmithred: u suggest to replace all lx* packages with lxqt* ? | 22:41 |
prfilser | now she runs firefox, libreoffice and solitary | 22:41 |
frabbit | prfilser: lol | 22:41 |
prfilser | solitaire, no problems | 22:41 |
prfilser | and doesn't need to buy a new laptop | 22:41 |
frabbit | prfilser: what are new laptops anyway? ;) | 22:42 |
prfilser | unusable is what they are, because of keyboards with < 1mm travel | 22:42 |
prfilser | Vote Giant Meteor 2020 | 22:43 |
frabbit | Giant Meteor? o0 | 22:44 |
fsmithred | frabbit, yes, you could replace lxde with lxqt (or another desktop) | 22:44 |
frabbit | fsmithred: i try lxqt then... its the same but just a different graphics library? | 22:44 |
frabbit | fsmithred: ok =) | 22:44 |
xrogaan | really? | 22:45 |
xrogaan | Oh, nevermind, misdread. | 22:45 |
xrogaan | Misread* | 22:45 |
fsmithred | lotta misdread lately, too | 22:50 |
frabbit | misdreadlocks? | 22:51 |
frabbit | fsmithred: lxqt uses xfce wm instead of openbox? | 22:52 |
frabbit | semms bigger to me... | 22:52 |
frabbit | *seems | 22:52 |
fsmithred | not sure. | 22:53 |
frabbit | install it atm | 22:53 |
yeti | xfwm4 | x-window-manager | 22:54 |
yeti | say the deps | 22:54 |
fsmithred | yeah, I see it running | 22:55 |
frabbit | ooff.. thats something different... | 22:59 |
frabbit | look and feel | 22:59 |
fsmithred | consolekit stuff should be all gone | 23:00 |
frabbit | fsmithred: i need to remove them? | 23:03 |
frabbit | first? | 23:03 |
fsmithred | frabbit, I don't know. You are in uncharted territory, starting with the unsupported desktop | 23:04 |
fsmithred | they might get automatically removed (or marked for autoremove) when you install lxqt | 23:05 |
fsmithred | is this a new installation? | 23:05 |
frabbit | ok i installed lxqt, reboote and get no gdus error after login via lightdm, but i cant use external media and consolekit stuff is still there | 23:05 |
fsmithred | I hope | 23:05 |
frabbit | should i remove them all? | 23:06 |
frabbit | and reboot again | 23:06 |
fsmithred | "them all" is what? | 23:06 |
fsmithred | all the consolekit packages might be a good start | 23:06 |
fsmithred | all of xorg and all desktop apps would not be a deal-breaker for me if I were doing it | 23:07 |
frabbit | =) | 23:07 |
fsmithred | I haven't mentioned lately how much I hate this policykit stuff. | 23:07 |
frabbit | apt-get autoremove --purge *consolekit* | 23:08 |
fsmithred | that'll probably do something | 23:08 |
fsmithred | brb | 23:08 |
yeti | that multiseat suff maybe was a good idea when each system hat gazillions of terminals and users | 23:09 |
yeti | but today where the typical *nix has exactly 1 user? | 23:09 |
yeti | why now? | 23:09 |
* yeti gave up trying tu undertand this modern stuff | 23:10 | |
frabbit | oh man... | 23:13 |
frabbit | that destroyed everything... | 23:13 |
frabbit | apt-get autoremove --purge *consolekit* | 23:13 |
frabbit | it removed some other packages too and if i run it again (without any packagenames) it want to remove 92 other packages... games, libs, gvfs... | 23:14 |
frabbit | lol long tiome ago since i last broke a whole system | 23:14 |
yeti | if yot break and fix it it really is yours | 23:15 |
frabbit | since im using my minimalized nearly terminla only system i had never such problems... | 23:15 |
yeti | I mainly use the gui to get an xterm | 23:16 |
yeti | ok... browser and mail are gui-ish too | 23:16 |
yeti | too much html in mails today | 23:16 |
yeti | I need to see mails as the sender intended it to look... so html->text hacks are no go | 23:17 |
yeti | :-( | 23:17 |
frabbit | html shouldnt be in mail... | 23:17 |
yeti | it is | 23:17 |
frabbit | lol shutdown via lightdm doesnt work too now XD | 23:17 |
yeti | lets face reality and fight other windmills | 23:17 |
frabbit | yes i got an gui webbrowser too, but only because "they" broke the web... | 23:17 |
yeti | we were aginst gifs bach then | 23:18 |
yeti | we smelled what would happen | 23:18 |
frabbit | np to open images external | 23:18 |
yeti | like elinks | 23:18 |
frabbit | if i see a gif via lynx sxiv will display it if i tell it to | 23:19 |
frabbit | with sxiv -a its even animated =) | 23:19 |
* yeti still fights with sixels... | 23:20 | |
frabbit | the 92 packages apt want to remove depnding on libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0 | 23:24 |
frabbit | *depending | 23:25 |
fsmithred | that one should stay | 23:28 |
fsmithred | if you just remove instead of purge, it won't actually remove those things. | 23:29 |
frabbit | fsmithred: ehr yes but... | 23:32 |
frabbit | thats a problem... | 23:32 |
fsmithred | why does it want to remove the elogind libs? | 23:33 |
frabbit | i have a script to keep my system clean | 23:33 |
frabbit | fsmithred: dunno | 23:33 |
frabbit | it removed a lot... | 23:33 |
frabbit | also the shutdown and other commands in lxqt doesnt work anymore, even in lightdm they are no longer clickable.. | 23:38 |
frabbit | so its broken... | 23:38 |
frabbit | *sigh* | 23:39 |
frabbit | thats really some point i dont like inside the gnu/linux communit ^^ | 23:39 |
fsmithred | well, I installed lxqt yesterday, and everything worked | 23:39 |
fsmithred | but I did it differently | 23:39 |
frabbit | fsmithred: u did a fresh install? | 23:40 |
fsmithred | I chose lxqt in the installer | 23:40 |
fsmithred | yes | 23:40 |
frabbit | ok | 23:40 |
fsmithred | 2.1 netinstall iso | 23:40 |
frabbit | i will make a new install too of course but i dont like these choice by click install.. | 23:40 |
frabbit | i always install an os offline and as minimal as possible | 23:40 |
frabbit | thats my base | 23:40 |
frabbit | everything else is placed on top if this then | 23:41 |
frabbit | ah! | 23:41 |
frabbit | i forgot i still got the packagelist from that base system! | 23:41 |
frabbit | so i do not need to make a new installation maybe | 23:42 |
fsmithred | no, you could remove the desktop stuff then run tasksel and select lxqt | 23:42 |
fsmithred | or you could manually mess around with it until you get it right | 23:42 |
fsmithred | fresh install could possibly be faster | 23:43 |
frabbit | yes i prefer the manually way, i will install lxqt-core again then but if taht doesnt work i will use that tasksel thing i think | 23:43 |
fsmithred | if you install without Recommends, it will help | 23:44 |
fsmithred | you can always add stuff later if you need it | 23:44 |
frabbit | ah... i hate this | 23:51 |
frabbit | fsmithred: yes i always do it like this, except important recommends | 23:52 |
frabbit | seems that i lost the list | 23:52 |
frabbit | i need to install again then... | 23:52 |
frabbit | maybe i will install the same 4 this computer like i did on first install: minimal, minimal xserver and then only pekwm and pcmanfm | 23:54 |
frabbit | and the other gui programs that this person need of course | 23:54 |
frabbit | problem there was that i couldnt use pcmanfm to mount external devices and that i coluld shut down the computer as non-root user from xsession | 23:58 |
frabbit | always problems with these gui programs... | 23:58 |
frabbit | seems like the only stable thing in gnu/linux are terminal programs... XD | 23:59 |
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