tuxd3v | Vall, orange pi one, is Allwiner H3 aarch32 | 02:34 |
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tuxd3v | mali 400MP2 | 02:35 |
tuxd3v | there are already Lima Drivers for it, but I haven't yet been successfull in having a userspace one for Lima, even tought that I already compiled fbturbo, and Lima.. | 02:36 |
tuxd3v | it needs more test :) | 02:36 |
tuxd3v | but you can always resort in the fbdev, has a last option. | 02:37 |
tuxd3v | Anyway with 256MB Ram, that board is more suited for a server :) | 02:37 |
mrpfilser | Firefox Version: 68.4.1esr-1 broken on devuan-arm "Illegal instruction" | 10:12 |
mrpfilser | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2020-03 must upgrade | 10:13 |
mrpfilser | what do. situation crit | 10:13 |
mrpfilser | (gdb) bt | 10:15 |
mrpfilser | #0 0x0000007fb2c6e1f0 in () at /usr/lib/firefox-esr/libxul.so | 10:15 |
mrpfilser | happen with clean/fresh ~/.mozilla/ | 10:18 |
mrpfilser | regetting 110647176 Jan 8 22:40 libxul.so - why does it say jan 8 when i upgraded today | 10:21 |
mrpfilser | 177487bcbcfcd2717e0a39b9d2d04412 libxul.so | 10:21 |
mrpfilser | forced reinstall did not change /usr/lib/firefox-esr | 10:24 |
mrpfilser | i am confused -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207840 Jan 8 22:40 /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr | 10:25 |
mrpfilser | removing firefox-esr and reinstalling confirms | 10:30 |
mrpfilser | it will be good for my person to not have a browser for a while | 10:34 |
mrpfilser | i have an idea. can i make a badly behaved application go to sleep, until Xorg sends it an event, then run for 500ms? | 10:54 |
mrpfilser | i'll try building firefox-esr 68.4.1esr-1 with debug symbols | 10:58 |
dabc | I guess it shows the modification time of the file *before* the package was created; it looks like that's dpkg's kitchen | 11:21 |
mrpfilser | yeah i misunderstood things i guess, the file creation time is the original fiel creation time, not the time on local system | 11:23 |
dabc | I'm inclined to believe it's the modification time, not the creation time | 11:24 |
mrpfilser | probably | 11:24 |
cosurgi | last openvpn | 12:57 |
mrpfilser | who is devuan-arm expert here | 13:14 |
mrpfilser | or even user | 13:14 |
mrpfilser | libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37-gtk2 lacks .pc file so pkg-config cannot find it | 13:16 |
mrpfilser | ah libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev | 13:17 |
nuhop | : The repository 'http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates Release' is no longer signed. | 13:45 |
nuhop | what is the fix? | 13:46 |
nuhop | hello devuan | 13:54 |
nuhop | server no longer signed? | 13:55 |
nuhop | what is a working beowulf repo? | 13:55 |
nuhop | asking for a friend... | 13:56 |
nuhop | DocScrutinizer51: around? | 13:58 |
GyrosGeier | the Release itself was never signed | 13:59 |
GyrosGeier | there is either a Release.gpg next to it, or an InRelease file with an inline signature | 13:59 |
GyrosGeier | so presumably the .gpg file is missing and nobody bothered making an InRelease | 14:00 |
* onefang has a look. | 14:01 | |
onefang | de.deb.devuan.org is a CNAME for pkgmaster.devuan.org, which all the mirrors get their files from. | 14:02 |
onefang | Beowulf-updates has an InRelease, Release, and Release.gpg files. | 14:03 |
onefang | A few minutes ago, when my mirror checker script checked these things, pkgmaster passed all tests, including checking the signature of Release. | 14:04 |
nuhop | error disappears changing de to fr in sources list | 14:05 |
nuhop | ok | 14:05 |
onefang | It's still a CNAME for pkgmaster. | 14:06 |
nuhop | "it's just you" then | 14:06 |
nuhop | thanks onefang | 14:06 |
nuhop | anyone else getting crashing firefox after jan 8 update? | 14:07 |
nuhop | on aarch64 | 14:07 |
nuhop | (68.4.1esr-1) | 14:08 |
nuhop | firefox | 14:08 |
nuhop | Illegal instruction | 14:08 |
onefang | I should sleep. G'night. | 14:09 |
nuhop | cheers onefang | 14:09 |
fsmithred | nuhop, just use deb.devuan.org - the country codes don't really do what you expect. | 14:18 |
nuhop | thank you fsmithred | 14:19 |
nuhop | anyone useing devuan-arm | 16:21 |
golinux | nuhop: You could try #devuan-arm channel | 16:39 |
nuhop | which low-resource terminal emulator can you recc? lxterminal is ok, but uses too much cpu | 16:48 |
nuhop | want 24bit color though | 16:48 |
* cosurgi uses xterm | 16:50 | |
cosurgi | with following invocation | 16:51 |
cosurgi | xterm -en UTF-8 -b 0 -bg black -fg darkgray -si -sk -geometry 80x30 -fn "-Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--20-200-75-75-C-100-ISO10646-1" -sl 80000 -j -sb -rightbar -xrm "xterm*metaSendsEscape:true" -xrm "xterm*Color3:yellow4" -xrm "xterm*Color10:green3" -xrm "xterm*vt100.translations: #override Shift <Key> Insert: insert-selection(CLIPBOARD, CUT_BUFFER1)" -xrm | 16:51 |
cosurgi | "XTerm*pointerColor:yellow" -xrm "xterm*pointerShape:xterm" -xrm "XTerm*termName:xterm-256color" | 16:51 |
cosurgi | serves me well. | 16:51 |
Hurgotron | just 256 colors, though. | 16:52 |
nuhop | this is nice, 14 xterms using only 9MB | 16:52 |
nuhop | 'only' | 16:53 |
nuhop | lxtermional is at 60MB | 16:53 |
cosurgi | normally I use about 200 xterms ;) | 16:54 |
nuhop | any assistance to hilighting urls in there cosurgi ? | 16:54 |
nuhop | wow | 16:54 |
eyalroz | My beowulf has a problem with its blue tooth. | 16:54 |
cosurgi | hm. no. I think it wasn't there 3 years ago when I crafted that invocation line. I looked for this feature. | 16:54 |
eyalroz | If I try to start blueman-manager, it says the blueman applet needs to be running, | 16:55 |
eyalroz | which is already rather problematic IMHO | 16:55 |
eyalroz | and when I try to run blueman-tray, I get "Error calling StartServiceByName for org.blueman.Applet" | 16:56 |
eyalroz | and it dies. | 16:56 |
nuhop | thank you cosurgi - your reward is a little terminal screensaver i wrote http://0x0.st/z6_k.pl | 16:57 |
cosurgi | nuhop: thank you! :) | 16:57 |
nuhop | i have an uglier C version that's faster, if you like. xterm renders this with very low cpu use, which is nice. | 16:58 |
nuhop | eyalroz: sorry idk bluetooth | 16:58 |
Hurgotron | nuhop: hilighting urls on click (probably multiple clikcs) should work if you can crft a regex for it. See https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/three-features-you-may-not-know-xterm-has/ | 16:58 |
eyalroz | nuhop: np; perhaps someone else has experience with this stuff. | 16:58 |
nuhop | how do i install autoconf 2.13 in devuan-arm beowulf to work around a 15 year old bug in mozconfig? | 17:54 |
nuhop | apt-cache show autoconf only has 2.69-11 | 17:54 |
nuhop | i don't know how to find a specific deb in a repo - this appears to be in debian stretch | 17:55 |
Hurgotron | nuhop: should be there, according to https://repology.org/project/autoconf/versions | 18:05 |
nuhop | what is link to .deb pls | 18:06 |
nuhop | for aarch64 | 18:06 |
nuhop | i cannot find it | 18:06 |
yeti | apt-cache show autoconf2.13 | 18:06 |
gnarface | Hurgotron, nuhop you should be able to search pkginfo.devuan.org for package names | 18:17 |
nuhop | i found https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/autoconf2.13_2.13-67.html | 18:18 |
nuhop | where is the .deb for aarch64? | 18:18 |
gnarface | nuhop: unfortunately pkginfo only searches x86 right now, it should be there though | 18:18 |
nuhop | where? | 18:19 |
nuhop | want screenshot? | 18:19 |
gnarface | no... | 18:19 |
nuhop | i apologize for being unclear | 18:19 |
gnarface | me too. i mean aarch64 packages are in the repo, i can confirm that. | 18:19 |
nuhop | where is the url for the deb for aarch autoconf2.13? | 18:19 |
gnarface | that i don't know off the top of my head, there are 13 mirrors it should exist on though | 18:20 |
nuhop | how do i find it? | 18:20 |
gnarface | do you not have a aarch64 machine booted right now, is that the issue? | 18:20 |
nuhop | i do | 18:20 |
nuhop | can i get it with apt? | 18:20 |
gnarface | try this: apt-get update && apt-cache search ^autoconf | 18:21 |
gnarface | exactly like that^ | 18:21 |
nuhop | oh! ^ autoconf2.13 - automatic configure script builder (obsolete version) | 18:21 |
gnarface | if you see it, you can get it with "apt-get install [package]" or you can just download it locally without installing with "apt-get download [package]" | 18:21 |
gnarface | if you want the source instead it's "apt-get source [package]" | 18:21 |
nuhop | it worked! thank you! | 18:22 |
gnarface | you're welcome | 18:22 |
gnu_srs1 | nuhop: Have you searched in snapshot.debian.org? | 18:22 |
nuhop | no | 18:22 |
gnarface | nuhop: i know sometimes they sneak the version into the package name to distinguish between multiple concurrent versions. it can get confusing, but apt-cache accepts regexp pattern searches, so that helps if you know a bit of simple grep-style regexp syntax | 18:23 |
nuhop | firefox-esr is broken on devuan-arm atm | 18:23 |
nuhop | very good | 18:23 |
nuhop | maybe best is to wait for a fix | 18:23 |
gnarface | ARM hardware support is in it's infancy | 18:23 |
gnarface | ARM hardware itself is still in it's infancy | 18:23 |
gnarface | there are growing pains | 18:23 |
nuhop | mhm | 18:24 |
gnarface | i've been messing with ARM and ARM64 stuff for a couple years now. stuff is coming along, but we're nowhere near where DOS was by the mid 90's. | 18:24 |
Hurgotron | amazon seems to switch to ARM wirth their cloud, though. | 18:25 |
gnarface | cross-compiler breakages... unportable x86 optimizations... it's a mess across the board. but it's coming. ARM hardware is superior in runtime costs by every metric. the industry will catch up slowly, whether Intel likes it or not. | 18:25 |
gnarface | it will be a slower transition than the one from i386 to amd64 because of so many foreign architectural concepts | 18:27 |
gnarface | but it could change dramatically too if someone makes a ARM system with a BIOS | 18:27 |
nuhop | i know a guy who managed to build palemoon for armv7 | 18:27 |
nuhop | so it is possible | 18:27 |
gnarface | yea as far as i can tell the cross-compilers for amd64 to arm64 are broken on jessie, ascii and beowulf, but work on ceres last i checked | 18:33 |
gnarface | (gcc version 7.something or later, i think is the key) | 18:33 |
nuhop | yeah last i built palemoon it needed 8GB RAM so.. | 18:33 |
nuhop | this might not work | 18:33 |
gnarface | oh! i got a trick for that i heard but haven't tried yet | 18:34 |
gnarface | someone said use zram i think? | 18:34 |
gnarface | lemme make sure that's the right name... | 18:34 |
gnarface | yea | 18:34 |
nuhop | zram is fun yeh | 18:34 |
gnarface | several people told me they managed to effectively turn 2GB of ram on a swapless pinebook into 6GB of ram with 1GB of swap using zram and zswap trickery that was good enough to fool firefox, so that might help you for palemoon too | 18:35 |
gnarface | anything that compresses well | 18:36 |
gnarface | so web browsing should take a big boost from it | 18:36 |
gnarface | video editing may not | 18:36 |
gnarface | it's not something i've tested myself | 18:36 |
nuhop | thx for the tip | 18:37 |
gnarface | no problem, if you try it let me know how it works out. i'm highly skeptical but this information was corroborated by multiple sources | 18:38 |
gnarface | there might have been some important key about getting the hardware AES encryption circuit working but i'm not sure if that was directly related to the zram/zswap setup or something else they were doing | 18:39 |
gnarface | maybe that was just for using disk encryption on the built-in eMMC | 18:39 |
eyalroz | gnarface: Did you happen to notice my bluetooth question earlier? | 20:54 |
gnarface | eyalroz: i think so but i didn't have an answer | 21:02 |
gnarface | eyalroz: i have not got bluetooth working anywhere yet | 21:04 |
eyalroz | gnarface: Hmm. Oh well. | 21:11 |
gnarface | eyalroz: my only advice is check for driver issues with your hardware | 21:21 |
gnarface | that's what is stifling me, it seems | 21:21 |
eyalroz | gnarface: I'm getting the error even when no Bluetooth hardware is plugged in. | 21:22 |
eyalroz | I mean, it could be something with my motherboard, but I don't remember it being Bluetooth-capable. | 21:23 |
fsmithred | eyalroz, did you try setting bluetooth (or blueman?) in your desktop autostart apps? | 21:25 |
fsmithred | In xfce, I get the panel applet if I enable it in autostart | 21:26 |
gnarface | eyalroz: yea maybe that's unrelated to my issues | 21:31 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: I haven't tried that, no | 21:31 |
fsmithred | I'm confused by what you last said. Does the computer have bluetooth or not? | 21:32 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: Well, preffed that on, now I just need to restart X (so probably later) | 21:32 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: I have a bluetooth dongle I want to plug in. | 21:32 |
fsmithred | you should get an icon in the panel | 21:32 |
fsmithred | ah, ok | 21:32 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: Ok, so - not much luck, I don't have the icon; | 21:34 |
eyalroz | but I do have a different error: | 21:34 |
eyalroz | gi.repository.GLib.Error: g-dbus-error-quark: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.244" (uid=1000 pid=19132 comm="/usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/blueman-applet ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.ObjectManager" member="GetManagedObjects" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.5" (uid=0 pid=2059 comm="/usr/sbin/bluetoothd " | 21:35 |
fsmithred | access denied? You need to be in a special group? Or maybe need to policykit stuff? | 21:36 |
fsmithred | maybe netdev group. Just a guess. | 21:37 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: I don't know. | 21:43 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: Actually, I'm _in_ netdev | 21:44 |
fsmithred | I'm about to look at /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/blueman-rules | 21:44 |
fsmithred | Allow users in sudo or netdev group to use blueman feature requiring root without authentication | 21:44 |
fsmithred | you have policykit-1 installed? | 21:45 |
gnarface | i think i was using dialout for bluetooth | 21:45 |
gnarface | back before it broke (pre kernel 3.1) | 21:45 |
gnarface | the dialout group to be clear | 21:45 |
fsmithred | back when there were still dials | 21:46 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: I have that rule (altough it's blueman.rules) | 21:46 |
fsmithred | yes on the filename | 21:46 |
fsmithred | my error | 21:47 |
eyalroz | and policykit-1 is indeed installed | 21:47 |
fsmithred | it says if you're in sudo or netdev "return polkit.Result.YES;" | 21:47 |
fsmithred | maybe policykit-1-gnome also | 21:47 |
fsmithred | what desktop are you using? | 21:47 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: Cinnamon | 21:57 |
eyalroz | I wonder if that rule even triggers. If I knew the syntax I'd add some kind of log message, and restart the daemon so as to check. | 21:57 |
fsmithred | good idea. I don't know how to do that. | 22:05 |
fsmithred | right now I'm testing bluetooth in beowulf | 22:06 |
fsmithred | seems to be running. I'm about to try to connect a device. | 22:06 |
morla_ | hey, is the an unofficial beowulf image? | 22:06 |
morla_ | or rather, an iso i can install beowulf from? | 22:06 |
_abc_ | Hello. Upgrading ff esr from 60 to 68 now, the package moved recently? The 68? | 22:08 |
fsmithred | _abc_, 68 is in -security, | 22:15 |
fsmithred | morla_, you can do a debootstrap of beowulf from the ascii live isos | 22:16 |
fsmithred | or you could install one of the derivative distros that have beowulf isos | 22:16 |
fsmithred | eyalroz, looks like blueman runs, but I don't know how to get it to see my android tablet. | 22:18 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: it was there before too, but I had a stale link in aptitude, had to update package list to get the new one. Thus asking if it moved/was bumped/upgraded recently. | 22:19 |
eyalroz | morla_: Official. AFAICR. | 22:21 |
fsmithred | _abc_, yesterday or day before it got bumped from 68.3 to 68.4 | 22:22 |
eyalroz | morla_: But remember beowulf has not yet been finally released. | 22:22 |
morla_ | ok, thanks. i was looking for sumpin i could just throw my previous preseed at... | 22:44 |
morla_ | ill just wait and fix other stuff in the mean time :) | 22:45 |
_abc_ | How can i look in the beowulf packages to see what version of scad is available? I am not on beowulf. | 23:14 |
fsmithred | _abc_, pkginfo.devuan.org | 23:19 |
_abc_ | openscad.org is at 2019.05 beowulf at 2019.01 and ascii at 2015.03 . I'm on ascii and I feel like I'm the past century. Some sunny day I'll upgrade. Soon. | 23:23 |
fsmithred | I'm on beowulf now and it's good | 23:26 |
_abc_ | I totally believe you but there is so much to break here if I fumble the upgrade I don't know where to start talking about it so I won't. | 23:26 |
_abc_ | Proabably beo will go onto a new laptop next month. We'll see. | 23:27 |
fsmithred | I didn't upgrade. I made a new install on a separate drive | 23:27 |
_abc_ | Partition you mean? | 23:27 |
fsmithred | was running jessie on the main box | 23:27 |
fsmithred | another partition on another drive | 23:27 |
_abc_ | Yes. Except on a laptop that is close to 10 yo there is no room for such things. | 23:27 |
fsmithred | well only one at a time | 23:28 |
fsmithred | I usually do it this way so I can boot back into the old system if I need to | 23:29 |
_abc_ | Yes, I intend to use the refracta external usb multi boot thing for testing and later install as alternate system etc. Step by step. | 23:30 |
_abc_ | When I go buy laptops I have a refracta generated usb stick with me and I boot it on what I am interested, with permission, to see that the hw is detected. | 23:31 |
fsmithred | they let you do that??? | 23:31 |
_abc_ | Yes. Why not. | 23:32 |
_abc_ | I am a serious client :) | 23:32 |
fsmithred | best buy wouldn't let me do it | 23:32 |
fsmithred | oh, if they know you... | 23:32 |
_abc_ | I do not live in America. .ro here... | 23:32 |
fsmithred | they wouldn't even let me do it with an official ubuntu CD | 23:32 |
James1138 | Some are afraid of uploading virus or spyware. | 23:32 |
fsmithred | yup | 23:32 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: 70-80% of laptops on display in shops here run "Infinite OS" which is a bastardized version of ubuntu or mint. | 23:33 |
fsmithred | wow, nice | 23:33 |
_abc_ | Since they come without Windows for cost reasons they have to run something. | 23:33 |
James1138 | ...so much for America being "advanced".... <smirk> | 23:34 |
_abc_ | Well it is advanced... | 23:34 |
_abc_ | Just not clear in what direction <cough> | 23:34 |
_abc_ | I once upon a time wanted to move to the usa, but life and some bastards came in between. | 23:34 |
James1138 | I mean <abc> here in the America - we are stuck with Windows on just about everything we buy unless we go into a Apple store... <sigh> | 23:35 |
_abc_ | I know. But you can buy a router and it runs bastardized pirated debranded linux + busybox. Or an android phone ... | 23:36 |
_abc_ | Lately more serious things started running linux. Cisco routers, PBXes from Nortel/Avaya, phones (some of these used to run VxWorks). | 23:37 |
James1138 | ...or like us "enlighten" ones - wipe, reformat/re-partition hard drive and install Linux. <SMILE> | 23:38 |
_abc_ | Aha enlightened not illuminated. I get it <wink> | 23:38 |
_abc_ | So those laptops which already run Inifinite OS I no longer need to check since the Inf can be played with and it's clear sound, video, wifi etc work. | 23:46 |
_abc_ | Sorry Endless. This https://endlessos.com/ | 23:47 |
_abc_ | I have no idea why the choose to put that particular flavor of linux on shop display machines but they do. They have been doing this for 5-6 years or longer. | 23:48 |
_abc_ | Has anyone shoehorned devuan, any version, onto a Chromebook? | 23:54 |
James1138 | Endless OS is based on Debian for stability - but more streamlined (read stripped down) than full Debian install. | 23:56 |
_abc_ | Yes it feels quite sparse. glxgears is not on usually and I need it to check fps speed and gpu in the shop display units :) | 23:57 |
_abc_ | But they claim to roll out updates every month or so. | 23:57 |
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