libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2020-01-10

tuxd3vVall,  orange pi one, is Allwiner H3 aarch3202:34
tuxd3vmali 400MP202:35
tuxd3vthere are already Lima Drivers for it, but I haven't yet been successfull in having a userspace one for Lima, even tought that I already compiled fbturbo, and Lima..02:36
tuxd3vit needs more test :)02:36
tuxd3vbut you can always resort in the fbdev, has a last option.02:37
tuxd3vAnyway with 256MB Ram, that board is more suited for a server :)02:37
mrpfilserFirefox Version: 68.4.1esr-1 broken on devuan-arm "Illegal instruction"10:12
mrpfilser https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2020-03  must upgrade10:13
mrpfilserwhat do. situation crit10:13
mrpfilser(gdb) bt10:15
mrpfilser#0  0x0000007fb2c6e1f0 in  () at /usr/lib/firefox-esr/libxul.so10:15
mrpfilserhappen with clean/fresh ~/.mozilla/10:18
mrpfilserregetting 110647176 Jan  8 22:40 libxul.so  - why does it say jan 8 when i upgraded today10:21
mrpfilser177487bcbcfcd2717e0a39b9d2d04412  libxul.so10:21
mrpfilserforced reinstall did not change /usr/lib/firefox-esr10:24
mrpfilseri am confused -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207840 Jan  8 22:40 /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr10:25
mrpfilserremoving firefox-esr and reinstalling confirms10:30
mrpfilserit will be good for my person to not have a browser for a while10:34
mrpfilseri have an idea. can i make a badly behaved application go to sleep, until Xorg sends it an event, then run for 500ms?10:54
mrpfilseri'll try building firefox-esr 68.4.1esr-1 with debug symbols10:58
dabcI guess it shows the modification time of the file *before* the package was created; it looks like that's dpkg's kitchen11:21
mrpfilseryeah i misunderstood things i guess, the file creation time is the original fiel creation time, not the time on local system11:23
dabcI'm inclined to believe it's the modification time, not the creation time11:24
mrpfilserprobably11:24
cosurgilast openvpn12:57
mrpfilserwho is devuan-arm expert here13:14
mrpfilseror even user13:14
mrpfilserlibwebkit2gtk-4.0-37-gtk2 lacks .pc file so pkg-config cannot find it13:16
mrpfilserah libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev13:17
nuhop: The repository 'http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates Release' is no longer signed.13:45
nuhopwhat is the fix?13:46
nuhophello devuan13:54
nuhopserver no longer signed?13:55
nuhopwhat is a working beowulf repo?13:55
nuhopasking for a friend...13:56
nuhopDocScrutinizer51: around?13:58
GyrosGeierthe Release itself was never signed13:59
GyrosGeierthere is either a Release.gpg next to it, or an InRelease file with an inline signature13:59
GyrosGeierso presumably the .gpg file is missing and nobody bothered making an InRelease14:00
* onefang has a look.14:01
onefangde.deb.devuan.org is a CNAME for pkgmaster.devuan.org, which all the mirrors get their files from.14:02
onefangBeowulf-updates has an InRelease, Release, and Release.gpg files.14:03
onefangA few minutes ago, when my mirror checker script checked these things, pkgmaster passed all tests, including checking the signature of Release.14:04
nuhoperror disappears changing de to fr in sources list14:05
nuhopok14:05
onefangIt's still a CNAME for pkgmaster.14:06
nuhop"it's just you" then14:06
nuhopthanks onefang14:06
nuhopanyone else getting crashing firefox after jan 8 update?14:07
nuhopon aarch6414:07
nuhop(68.4.1esr-1)14:08
nuhopfirefox14:08
nuhopIllegal instruction14:08
onefangI should sleep.  G'night.14:09
nuhopcheers onefang14:09
fsmithrednuhop, just use deb.devuan.org - the country codes don't really do what you expect.14:18
nuhopthank you fsmithred14:19
nuhopanyone useing devuan-arm16:21
golinuxnuhop: You could try #devuan-arm channel16:39
nuhopwhich low-resource terminal emulator can you recc?  lxterminal is ok, but uses too much cpu16:48
nuhopwant 24bit color though16:48
* cosurgi uses xterm16:50
cosurgiwith following invocation16:51
cosurgixterm -en UTF-8 -b 0 -bg black -fg darkgray -si -sk -geometry 80x30 -fn "-Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--20-200-75-75-C-100-ISO10646-1" -sl 80000 -j -sb -rightbar -xrm "xterm*metaSendsEscape:true"                             -xrm "xterm*Color3:yellow4"  -xrm "xterm*Color10:green3"  -xrm "xterm*vt100.translations: #override Shift <Key> Insert:  insert-selection(CLIPBOARD, CUT_BUFFER1)" -xrm16:51
cosurgi"XTerm*pointerColor:yellow" -xrm "xterm*pointerShape:xterm" -xrm "XTerm*termName:xterm-256color"16:51
cosurgiserves me well.16:51
Hurgotronjust 256 colors, though.16:52
nuhopthis is nice, 14 xterms using only 9MB16:52
nuhop'only'16:53
nuhoplxtermional is at 60MB16:53
cosurginormally I use about 200 xterms ;)16:54
nuhopany assistance to hilighting urls in there cosurgi ?16:54
nuhopwow16:54
eyalrozMy beowulf has a problem with its blue tooth.16:54
cosurgihm. no. I think it wasn't there 3 years ago when I crafted that invocation line. I looked for this feature.16:54
eyalrozIf I try to start blueman-manager, it says the blueman applet needs to be running,16:55
eyalrozwhich is already rather problematic IMHO16:55
eyalrozand when I try to run blueman-tray, I get "Error calling StartServiceByName for org.blueman.Applet"16:56
eyalrozand it dies.16:56
nuhopthank you cosurgi - your reward is a little terminal screensaver i wrote http://0x0.st/z6_k.pl16:57
cosurginuhop: thank you! :)16:57
nuhopi have an uglier C version that's faster, if you like.  xterm renders this with very low cpu use, which is nice.16:58
nuhopeyalroz: sorry idk bluetooth16:58
Hurgotronnuhop: hilighting urls on click (probably multiple clikcs) should work if you can crft a regex for it. See https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/three-features-you-may-not-know-xterm-has/16:58
eyalroznuhop: np; perhaps someone else has experience with this stuff.16:58
nuhophow do i install autoconf 2.13 in devuan-arm beowulf to work around a 15 year old bug in mozconfig?17:54
nuhopapt-cache show autoconf only has 2.69-1117:54
nuhopi don't know how to find a specific deb in a repo - this appears to be in debian stretch17:55
Hurgotronnuhop: should be there, according to https://repology.org/project/autoconf/versions18:05
nuhopwhat is link to .deb pls18:06
nuhopfor aarch6418:06
nuhopi cannot find it18:06
yetiapt-cache show autoconf2.1318:06
gnarfaceHurgotron, nuhop you should be able to search pkginfo.devuan.org for package names18:17
nuhopi found https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/autoconf2.13_2.13-67.html18:18
nuhopwhere is the .deb for aarch64?18:18
gnarfacenuhop: unfortunately pkginfo only searches x86 right now, it should be there though18:18
nuhopwhere?18:19
nuhopwant screenshot?18:19
gnarfaceno...18:19
nuhopi apologize for being unclear18:19
gnarfaceme too.  i mean aarch64 packages are in the repo, i can confirm that.18:19
nuhopwhere is the url for the deb for aarch autoconf2.13?18:19
gnarfacethat i don't know off the top of my head, there are 13 mirrors it should exist on though18:20
nuhophow do i find it?18:20
gnarfacedo you not have a aarch64 machine booted right now, is that the issue?18:20
nuhopi do18:20
nuhopcan i get it with apt?18:20
gnarfacetry this: apt-get update && apt-cache search ^autoconf18:21
gnarfaceexactly like that^18:21
nuhopoh!  ^  autoconf2.13 - automatic configure script builder (obsolete version)18:21
gnarfaceif you see it, you can get it with "apt-get install [package]" or you can just download it locally without installing with "apt-get download [package]"18:21
gnarfaceif you want the source instead it's "apt-get source [package]"18:21
nuhopit worked! thank you!18:22
gnarfaceyou're welcome18:22
gnu_srs1nuhop: Have you searched in snapshot.debian.org?18:22
nuhopno18:22
gnarfacenuhop: i know sometimes they sneak the version into the package name to distinguish between multiple concurrent versions.  it can get confusing, but apt-cache accepts regexp pattern searches, so that helps if you know a bit of simple grep-style regexp syntax18:23
nuhopfirefox-esr is broken on devuan-arm atm18:23
nuhopvery good18:23
nuhopmaybe best is to wait for a fix18:23
gnarfaceARM hardware support is in it's infancy18:23
gnarfaceARM hardware itself is still in it's infancy18:23
gnarfacethere are growing pains18:23
nuhopmhm18:24
gnarfacei've been messing with ARM and ARM64 stuff for a couple years now.  stuff is coming along, but we're nowhere near where DOS was by the mid 90's.18:24
Hurgotronamazon seems to switch to ARM wirth their cloud, though.18:25
gnarfacecross-compiler breakages... unportable x86 optimizations... it's a mess across the board.  but it's coming.  ARM hardware is superior in runtime costs by every metric.  the industry will catch up slowly, whether Intel likes it or not.18:25
gnarfaceit will be a slower transition than the one from i386 to amd64 because of so many foreign architectural concepts18:27
gnarfacebut it could change dramatically too if someone makes a ARM system with a BIOS18:27
nuhopi know a guy who managed to build palemoon for armv718:27
nuhopso it is possible18:27
gnarfaceyea as far as i can tell the cross-compilers for amd64 to arm64 are broken on jessie, ascii and beowulf, but work on ceres last i checked18:33
gnarface(gcc version 7.something or later, i think is the key)18:33
nuhopyeah last i built palemoon it needed 8GB RAM so..18:33
nuhopthis might not work18:33
gnarfaceoh! i got a trick for that i heard but haven't tried yet18:34
gnarfacesomeone said use zram i think?18:34
gnarfacelemme make sure that's the right name...18:34
gnarfaceyea18:34
nuhopzram is fun yeh18:34
gnarfaceseveral people told me they managed to effectively turn 2GB of ram on a swapless pinebook into 6GB of ram with 1GB of swap using zram and zswap trickery that was good enough to fool firefox, so that might help you for palemoon too18:35
gnarfaceanything that compresses well18:36
gnarfaceso web browsing should take a big boost from it18:36
gnarfacevideo editing may not18:36
gnarfaceit's not something i've tested myself18:36
nuhopthx for the tip18:37
gnarfaceno problem, if you try it let me know how it works out.  i'm highly skeptical but this information was corroborated by multiple sources18:38
gnarfacethere might have been some important key about getting the hardware AES encryption circuit working but i'm not sure if that was directly related to the zram/zswap setup or something else they were doing18:39
gnarfacemaybe that was just for using disk encryption on the built-in eMMC18:39
eyalrozgnarface: Did you happen to notice my bluetooth question earlier?20:54
gnarfaceeyalroz: i think so but i didn't have an answer21:02
gnarfaceeyalroz: i have not got bluetooth working anywhere yet21:04
eyalrozgnarface: Hmm. Oh well.21:11
gnarfaceeyalroz: my only advice is check for driver issues with your hardware21:21
gnarfacethat's what is stifling me, it seems21:21
eyalrozgnarface: I'm getting the error even when no Bluetooth hardware is plugged in.21:22
eyalrozI mean, it could be something with my motherboard, but I don't remember it being Bluetooth-capable.21:23
fsmithredeyalroz, did you try setting bluetooth (or blueman?) in your desktop autostart apps?21:25
fsmithredIn xfce, I get the panel applet if I enable it in autostart21:26
gnarfaceeyalroz: yea maybe that's unrelated to my issues21:31
eyalrozfsmithred: I haven't tried that, no21:31
fsmithredI'm confused by what you last said. Does the computer have bluetooth or not?21:32
eyalrozfsmithred: Well, preffed that on, now I just need to restart X (so probably later)21:32
eyalrozfsmithred: I have a bluetooth dongle I want to plug in.21:32
fsmithredyou should get an icon in the panel21:32
fsmithredah, ok21:32
eyalrozfsmithred: Ok, so - not much luck, I don't have the icon;21:34
eyalrozbut I do have a different error:21:34
eyalrozgi.repository.GLib.Error: g-dbus-error-quark: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.244" (uid=1000 pid=19132 comm="/usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/blueman-applet ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.ObjectManager" member="GetManagedObjects" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.5" (uid=0 pid=2059 comm="/usr/sbin/bluetoothd "21:35
fsmithredaccess denied? You need to be in a special group? Or maybe need to policykit stuff?21:36
fsmithredmaybe netdev group. Just a guess.21:37
eyalrozfsmithred: I don't know.21:43
eyalrozfsmithred: Actually, I'm _in_ netdev21:44
fsmithredI'm about to look at /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/blueman-rules21:44
fsmithredAllow users in sudo or netdev group to use blueman feature requiring root without authentication21:44
fsmithredyou have policykit-1 installed?21:45
gnarfacei think i was using dialout for bluetooth21:45
gnarfaceback before it broke (pre kernel 3.1)21:45
gnarfacethe dialout group to be clear21:45
fsmithredback when there were still dials21:46
eyalrozfsmithred: I have that rule (altough it's blueman.rules)21:46
fsmithredyes on the filename21:46
fsmithredmy error21:47
eyalrozand policykit-1 is indeed installed21:47
fsmithredit says if you're in sudo or netdev "return polkit.Result.YES;"21:47
fsmithredmaybe policykit-1-gnome also21:47
fsmithredwhat desktop are you using?21:47
eyalrozfsmithred: Cinnamon21:57
eyalrozI wonder if that rule even triggers. If I knew the syntax I'd add some kind of log message, and restart the daemon so as to check.21:57
fsmithredgood idea. I don't know how to do that.22:05
fsmithredright now I'm testing bluetooth in beowulf22:06
fsmithredseems to be running. I'm about to try to connect a device.22:06
morla_hey, is the an unofficial beowulf image?22:06
morla_or rather, an iso i can install beowulf from?22:06
_abc_Hello. Upgrading ff esr from 60 to 68 now, the package moved recently? The 68?22:08
fsmithred_abc_, 68 is in -security,22:15
fsmithredmorla_, you can do a debootstrap of beowulf from the ascii live isos22:16
fsmithredor you could install one of the derivative distros that have beowulf isos22:16
fsmithredeyalroz, looks like blueman runs, but I don't know how to get it to see my android tablet.22:18
_abc_fsmithred: it was there before too, but I had a stale link in aptitude, had to update package list to get the new one. Thus asking if it moved/was bumped/upgraded recently.22:19
eyalrozmorla_: Official. AFAICR.22:21
fsmithred_abc_, yesterday or day before it got bumped from 68.3 to 68.422:22
eyalrozmorla_: But remember beowulf has not yet been finally released.22:22
morla_ok, thanks. i was looking for sumpin i could just throw my previous preseed at...22:44
morla_ill just wait and fix other stuff in the mean time :)22:45
_abc_How can i look in the beowulf packages to see what version of scad is available? I am not on beowulf.23:14
fsmithred_abc_, pkginfo.devuan.org23:19
_abc_openscad.org is at 2019.05 beowulf at 2019.01 and ascii at 2015.03 . I'm on ascii and I feel like I'm the past century. Some sunny day I'll upgrade. Soon.23:23
fsmithredI'm on beowulf now and it's good23:26
_abc_I totally believe you but there is so much to break here if I fumble the upgrade I don't know where to start talking about it so I won't.23:26
_abc_Proabably beo will go onto a new laptop next month. We'll see.23:27
fsmithredI didn't upgrade. I made a new install on a separate drive23:27
_abc_Partition you mean?23:27
fsmithredwas running jessie on the main box23:27
fsmithredanother partition on another drive23:27
_abc_Yes. Except on a laptop that is close to 10 yo there is no room for such things.23:27
fsmithredwell only one at a time23:28
fsmithredI usually do it this way so I can boot back into the old system if I need to23:29
_abc_Yes, I intend to use the refracta external usb multi boot thing for testing and later install as alternate system etc. Step by step.23:30
_abc_When I go buy laptops I have a refracta generated usb stick with me and I boot it on what I am interested, with permission, to see that the hw is detected.23:31
fsmithredthey let you do that???23:31
_abc_Yes. Why not.23:32
_abc_I am a serious client :)23:32
fsmithredbest buy wouldn't let me do it23:32
fsmithredoh, if they know you...23:32
_abc_I do not live in America. .ro here...23:32
fsmithredthey wouldn't even let me do it with an official ubuntu CD23:32
James1138Some are afraid of uploading virus or spyware.23:32
fsmithredyup23:32
_abc_fsmithred: 70-80% of laptops on display in shops here run "Infinite OS" which is a bastardized version of ubuntu or mint.23:33
fsmithredwow, nice23:33
_abc_Since they come without Windows for cost reasons they have to run something.23:33
James1138...so much for America being "advanced"....  <smirk>23:34
_abc_Well it is advanced...23:34
_abc_Just not clear in what direction <cough>23:34
_abc_I once upon a time wanted to move to the usa, but life and some bastards came in between.23:34
James1138I mean <abc> here in the America - we are stuck with Windows on just about everything we buy unless we go into a Apple store...  <sigh>23:35
_abc_I know. But you can buy a router and it runs bastardized pirated debranded linux + busybox. Or an android phone ...23:36
_abc_Lately more serious things started running linux. Cisco routers, PBXes from Nortel/Avaya, phones (some of these used to run VxWorks).23:37
James1138...or like us "enlighten" ones - wipe, reformat/re-partition hard drive and install Linux.  <SMILE>23:38
_abc_Aha enlightened not illuminated. I get it <wink>23:38
_abc_So those laptops which already run Inifinite OS I no longer need to check since the Inf can be played with and it's clear sound, video, wifi etc work.23:46
_abc_Sorry Endless. This https://endlessos.com/23:47
_abc_I have no idea why the choose to put that particular flavor of linux on shop display machines but they do. They have been doing this for 5-6 years or longer.23:48
_abc_Has anyone shoehorned devuan, any version, onto a Chromebook?23:54
James1138Endless OS is based on Debian for stability - but more streamlined (read stripped down) than full Debian install.23:56
_abc_Yes it feels quite sparse. glxgears is not on usually and I need it to check fps speed and gpu in the shop display units :)23:57
_abc_But they claim to roll out updates every month or so.23:57

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