| tuxd3v | this doesn't have a easy answer.. a desktop witl 70-80MB and very responsive | 00:13 |
|---|---|---|
| tuxd3v | It will be used by boards with 1GB Ram, and we need to account with the browser which is the bigest concern.. | 00:13 |
| tuxd3v | but if we manage to have a 70-80MB desktop, we can control the browser to use some 600-700Mb of Ram | 00:14 |
| qbmonkey | What more specific was the question? | 00:15 |
| tuxd3v | qbmonkey, you use 75 mb on wich environments? | 00:16 |
| tuxd3v | on start | 00:16 |
| qbmonkey | No env. | 00:17 |
| tuxd3v | only console? | 00:17 |
| qbmonkey | terminal on boot, startx to get X | 00:17 |
| tuxd3v | on that I use ~35MB in armhf | 00:17 |
| qbmonkey | I can't get that low with Xorg running | 00:17 |
| tuxd3v | in armel, Ishould use for that around 17MB | 00:17 |
| qbmonkey | Some setups around 55 with X | 00:18 |
| tuxd3v | Yeah I mean with a X11 environment | 00:18 |
| qbmonkey | Once 45, but it was a very specific setup | 00:18 |
| tuxd3v | you use a window manager? | 00:18 |
| qbmonkey | YEs | 00:18 |
| qbmonkey | "Evilwm" | 00:18 |
| qbmonkey | no dbus | 00:19 |
| qbmonkey | I like armel, but the boards I have don't crunch math well enough. | 00:20 |
| tuxd3v | hehehe true :) | 00:21 |
| tuxd3v | https://edeproject.org | 00:21 |
| qbmonkey | Always wanted a parallela but I don't have the time to make it work for my needs | 00:22 |
| tuxd3v | Equinox could provide more information about Ram usage.. | 00:22 |
| tuxd3v | yeah I dreamed with Paralela Board, but it took so many time to come to market that I don't know its status anymore | 00:22 |
| tuxd3v | I don't now its processing power.. | 00:23 |
| qbmonkey | It could be nice, but not out of the box. | 00:24 |
| qbmonkey | I like lite Env. like EDE. But clicking on thinks is slower for me. | 00:25 |
| qbmonkey | But I live on the terminal. | 00:26 |
| qbmonkey | *clicking on "things" | 00:26 |
| qbmonkey | I like the mouse for resizing and cut paste. | 00:26 |
| tuxd3v | yeah we live there but sometimes we resurface to bump some tons of oxygen :) | 00:26 |
| tuxd3v | to be honest the mouse is the thing i doesn't like too much | 00:27 |
| tuxd3v | you need to get your hands out of the keyboard.. | 00:27 |
| qbmonkey | On a laptop with a nub is is okay. | 00:28 |
| qbmonkey | Like a thinkpad | 00:28 |
| tuxd3v | ho yeah | 00:28 |
| tuxd3v | that thing I already love :) | 00:28 |
| tuxd3v | Can't find EDE( Equinox ) packages to install and test... and the build script is broken :( | 00:29 |
| qbmonkey | I once set up a machine to use shortcuts for pointer movements. It was nice, once you got used to it. But sometimes it just was silly. | 00:29 |
| qbmonkey | I don't CDE isn't in there either | 00:32 |
| qbmonkey | *don't think | 00:32 |
| qbmonkey | Oh man, typing on too many windows has its draw backs, lol | 00:32 |
| aaro | tuxd3v: that equinox looks quite nice actually, haven't heard about it before. At work we needed a low resource windos like environment and we went with trinity (tde), it takes around 200 MB after load (32 bits) | 00:39 |
| tuxd3v | yeah equinox( or shortly EDE ), seems very nice, but the compile script is broken :S | 00:41 |
| tuxd3v | And its not in deb packages availlable.. | 00:41 |
| qbmonkey | Does KDE take more than 200mb these day? | 00:42 |
| qbmonkey | *days | 00:42 |
| qbmonkey | gnu_srs1, mentioned Window Maker. It is lite-ish. You have to build your own menu tree. But it has GUI tools for doing that in the configuration screen | 00:45 |
| qbmonkey | Its a little weird to work with. | 00:45 |
| aaro | if you mean plasma, i'm sure it does, never used it though | 00:46 |
| tuxd3v | Trinity is the smaller I think.. | 00:46 |
| tuxd3v | for kde | 00:46 |
| qbmonkey | heavens no, not plasma | 00:46 |
| aaro | trinity is to kde what mate would be to gnome (kinda) | 00:47 |
| qbmonkey | I was just thinking that back in my early linux days, KDE could be leaned down a bunch. Turn off the crap you didn't need, and it wasn't that bad. | 00:47 |
| tuxd3v | and the Lumina desktop, is some sort of trinity don't you guys think? | 00:47 |
| aaro | trinity forked from kde 3 iirc | 00:48 |
| qbmonkey | Is that on linux now, Lumina | 00:48 |
| qbmonkey | Was FBSD right? | 00:48 |
| tuxd3v | yeah lumina was, but I think they share a lot of roots, maybe I am wrong.. | 00:48 |
| tuxd3v | probably :) | 00:48 |
| qbmonkey | Thats cool. It didn't look too bad either. | 00:49 |
| tuxd3v | but I bet both lumina and trinity goes way up from the ~100MB of Equinox | 00:50 |
| qbmonkey | Okay, how about setting up an Openbox desktop? | 00:50 |
| tuxd3v | I din't wanted to compile it from sources... as usually when we test something we trow it away after.. I don't really know .. I guess I will have to compile it :S | 00:51 |
| tuxd3v | by hand.. | 00:51 |
| qbmonkey | tuxd3v, when you mentioned your ram usage, did you mean just WM's ram usage? | 00:51 |
| tuxd3v | I mean desktop usage after a cold boot | 00:51 |
| qbmonkey | No, it should be in the repo "OpenBox" | 00:51 |
| tuxd3v | openbox yeas, but I am intrigued with Equinox.. | 00:52 |
| tuxd3v | life sucks for all of us, we are almost 90% of time searching for something new :D | 00:52 |
| qbmonkey | When you say Equinox, build script is broken, what did it do? | 00:52 |
| aaro | tuxd3v: umm it is found as a package in freebsd, nice | 00:53 |
| tuxd3v | if fails to get a source for it :( | 00:53 |
| qbmonkey | Is it in the repo? | 00:53 |
| qbmonkey | The source? | 00:53 |
| tuxd3v | I will paste output: | 00:53 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/8pcK4JIX | 00:55 |
| tuxd3v | because some urls are broken.. | 00:55 |
| tuxd3v | it breaks | 00:55 |
| tuxd3v | I will try to download 'jam-2.5-haiku-20080327.tar.gz' | 00:56 |
| tuxd3v | manually | 00:56 |
| tuxd3v | this seems to be from Aiku beos like.. :) | 00:56 |
| tuxd3v | hugh.. I found this: https://edeproject.org/wiki/installationhowto | 01:01 |
| qbmonkey | you might read this too https://edeproject.org/wiki/installingfromsource | 01:02 |
| qbmonkey | You can get the files and do it without that netinstall script | 01:03 |
| qbmonkey | But the debs are quicker, for sure | 01:03 |
| qbmonkey | If you want to use the python netinstall script, you can edit the ede-2.1-full.cfg file the script downloads, and add replacement mirrors/links to the files it needs. | 01:08 |
| tuxd3v | qbmonkey, yeah I saw it, but don't know how to tell him to forget download because I already downloaded all parts manually :) | 01:09 |
| tuxd3v | thanks :) | 01:09 |
| qbmonkey | It must have downloaded it, because the file it couldn't get in your log is not called in the netinstall script, but in the .cfg file | 01:09 |
| qbmonkey | I did do anything, really.... But I do hope you get to try it out. | 01:10 |
| tuxd3v | 5 packages :) | 01:15 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/VO2jMgMd | 01:17 |
| tuxd3v | its done: https://paste2.org/CzZO8FIs | 01:21 |
| fsmithred | tuxd3v, I just booted a live-iso that has icewm. In qemu, I gave the VM 198mb ram. Here's output of free -m. | 01:22 |
| fsmithred | Mem: 182 78 3 8 99 88 | 01:22 |
| fsmithred | 78 used | 01:23 |
| fsmithred | that's ascii | 01:23 |
| fsmithred | I'm sure beowulf will be worse | 01:23 |
| fsmithred | I used to get xfce under 100mb without any trouble. (That was in squeeze.) | 01:24 |
| tuxd3v | 78 is really more close to what I needed.. a desktop image for small Ram contrained systems :) | 01:25 |
| tuxd3v | hello, me again, I was not able to completly test it :( | 01:45 |
| fsmithred | why not? | 01:45 |
| tuxd3v | Any time I restart the resolution come strange.. | 01:45 |
| tuxd3v | I need to issue: | 01:46 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/Nnne09mw | 01:48 |
| tuxd3v | is there a way to automate this process | 01:48 |
| tuxd3v | ? | 01:48 |
| tuxd3v | I can only see the entry to type name and password on the screen | 01:48 |
| tuxd3v | is magnified or something | 01:48 |
| fsmithred | maybe put it in ~/.xinitrc | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | you use startx? | 01:49 |
| tuxd3v | no I use slim Login Manager | 01:50 |
| tuxd3v | my graphics cards is a intel | 01:50 |
| tuxd3v | driver i915 | 01:50 |
| tuxd3v | I need always to do that | 01:50 |
| tuxd3v | I only see in the screen the login entry to type username and password, very big entry | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure where you should put it | 01:51 |
| tuxd3v | I don't know why he system messes with my resolution | 01:51 |
| tuxd3v | I am in xfce | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | maybe you can boot with a vga= option? | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | oh | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | in xfce, make a .desktop file that either runs your command or runs a scipt | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | script | 01:52 |
| tuxd3v | you mean in the bootargs? | 01:52 |
| tuxd3v | vga=vga1 | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | yeah boot args | 01:52 |
| tuxd3v | I have 2 cards, one for display | 01:52 |
| tuxd3v | the intel one | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | but in xfce, put the .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/ | 01:52 |
| tuxd3v | and the other for nvidia cuda things.. | 01:52 |
| tuxd3v | yeah but I also wanted to see how it is the Equinox Desktop Environment, maybe the ~/.xinitrc option is nice for now, I will try that :) | 01:53 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure if that will work in xfce | 01:54 |
| fsmithred | try it | 01:54 |
| aaro | tuxd3v: ede seems to be unmantained, last release in 2014, depends on EOL python 2.7, better go with something like icewm like fsmithred told | 01:55 |
| aaro | oops gone | 01:56 |
| fsmithred | yeah, he ran off again. He'll be back. | 01:56 |
| aaro | this guy is fast | 01:56 |
| tuxd3v | fmisthred, no it was invain | 02:43 |
| fsmithred | yes, I know. I tried it | 02:44 |
| tuxd3v | I will need to try EDE in another machine.. | 02:44 |
| tuxd3v | because with 640x480 I only see a bit of screen | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | oh, I thouhght you were trying to fix the display | 02:44 |
| tuxd3v | thankfully, its the login entry :) | 02:44 |
| tuxd3v | so ... | 02:44 |
| tuxd3v | slim is really really nice! | 02:45 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 02:45 |
| fsmithred | you tried .xinitrc, but you didn't try using a .desktop file | 02:45 |
| tuxd3v | how could I do it? | 02:45 |
| tuxd3v | create a display.desktop file? | 02:46 |
| tuxd3v | fsmithred, where do you think it should be advisable to create that file? | 02:47 |
| fsmithred | https://termbin.com/an6z | 02:48 |
| tuxd3v | in my home? | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | edit the mode to your liking | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | put it in ~/.config/autostart/ | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | you can call it display.desktop or whatever.desktop | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | it will automatically show up in xfce's autostart applications | 02:49 |
| fsmithred | if you want it to show up in other desktops, comment or remove the line that says OnlyShow... | 02:49 |
| fsmithred | then restart your desktop | 02:49 |
| tuxd3v | thanks a lot! | 02:51 |
| tuxd3v | I will test now :) | 02:51 |
| fsmithred | yw | 02:51 |
| tuxd3v | It didin't worked.. | 02:59 |
| fsmithred | you put your commands in the file? | 03:00 |
| tuxd3v | yeah | 03:00 |
| tuxd3v | but it didn't worked | 03:00 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/gtJDCj3v | 03:00 |
| tuxd3v | I also tried this | 03:01 |
| tuxd3v | but executing the commands one by one in the shell works.. | 03:04 |
| fsmithred | put them in a script | 03:05 |
| fsmithred | and run the script from the Exec line | 03:05 |
| tuxd3v | good Idea :) | 03:05 |
| fsmithred | this won't affect the login screen, just the desktop. | 03:07 |
| tuxd3v | no the login screen is also afected.. | 03:07 |
| fsmithred | this will not fix the login screen | 03:08 |
| tuxd3v | I only see the entry to put username and password | 03:08 |
| fsmithred | this will fix the desktop | 03:08 |
| tuxd3v | because the screen is magnified or something | 03:08 |
| fsmithred | how is the console font size? | 03:08 |
| tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks , now it worked for xfce :) | 03:18 |
| fsmithred | :) | 03:19 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/8NWenxwN | 03:19 |
| tuxd3v | I always found configuring 2 graphics cards dificult | 03:19 |
| tuxd3v | this was a great Idea :) | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | I've been using lxrandr for configuring multiple monitors. | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | but in beowulf, the xfce display settings are much improved | 03:22 |
| fsmithred | and can handle two monitors easily, so I no longer need lxrandr | 03:22 |
| tuxd3v | I still need to upgrade to beowulf | 03:23 |
| tuxd3v | But I have fears that something will break :) | 03:23 |
| tuxd3v | at some point in time I will need to | 03:23 |
| tuxd3v | lool | 03:23 |
| tuxd3v | I am braking my head trying to compile EDE( Equinox Desktop Environment.. ) | 04:21 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/cB4E5FK3 | 04:22 |
| tuxd3v | does exist any package named fltk-config | 04:22 |
| tuxd3v | I can't find it :( | 04:22 |
| tuxd3v | is says I have not the FLTK installed :( | 04:22 |
| tuxd3v | I think I craked it.. | 04:25 |
| tuxd3v | I anotatted but I believe I forgot to install libfltk1.3-dev :S | 04:26 |
| DarwinElf | would it likely work to convert Ubuntu (Kubuntu) 18.04 to non-systemd just by using the Devuan instructions to convert from Debian? | 05:08 |
| golinux | Probably not very well. Give it a try and let us know. | 05:11 |
| furrywolf | ubuntu is modified a lot from debian. I'd give it pretty good odds of breaking. | 05:12 |
| golinux | Hi furry | 05:12 |
| furrywolf | heyas! | 05:13 |
| n0a110w | is there a way to prevent a service from being started in sysvinit? Similar to "mask" (...systemd term) | 07:35 |
| n0a110w | nevermind! | 07:36 |
| n0a110w | i would like to figure out how to properly run nfs4 ONLY. it seems i still have other rpc ports listening | 07:41 |
| gnarface | n0a110w: i think you probably want to disable rpcbind | 08:11 |
| gnarface | n0a110w: i think the service might be called portmap? | 09:13 |
| n0a110w | it seems rpcbind is probably what i need to disable | 10:23 |
| n0a110w | going to try it shortly and see if anything stops working | 10:23 |
| amesser | rpcbind == portmap :-) | 10:36 |
| minnesotags | Thanks golinux and onefang | 18:14 |
| minnesotags | :-D | 18:14 |
| minnesotags | With the new Debian vote, is resistance futile? I just had a completely unrelated package that seems to have systemd as a req. | 18:15 |
| golinux | minnesotags: amprolla filters hard systemd dependencies so just where did you get that package? https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 18:33 |
| golinux | Resistance may not succeed but if we don't try we surely will be assimilated. | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | minnesotags, what package was it? | 18:39 |
| golinux | I've been waiting for him to reappear. | 18:40 |
| golinux | Does the newly generated blacklist look shorter to you? | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | I'll check | 18:40 |
| golinux | I need food | 18:41 |
| minnesotags | I'm not sure if it is a hard dependency yet, but OpenNMS. | 18:42 |
| fsmithred | This one? openms - package for LC/MS data management and analysis | 18:44 |
| fsmithred | ok, I'm looking at OpenNMS web page. | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | They say the installation script requires systemd. | 18:47 |
| fsmithred | They don't say the package requires it, but you're supposed to start it with systemctl start|stop opennms | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | can't tell from that if it really requires systemd or not. It might just be lacking init scripts. | 18:48 |
| minnesotags | That really, really sucks because I've been running an OpenNMS on this devuan since the very first summer of 2014. 2014? 2015? | 18:49 |
| fsmithred | you might have to do some fiddling with it to get it to work | 18:51 |
| g0zzy | I don't know if there are any Brits out there who have come across the phenomenon of British Telecom modem-routers stubbornly refusing to acknowledge DHCP requests - if so, any found solutions? | 18:59 |
| fsmithred | ask them how to set it to bridge and use your own router | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | I would not trust their router. | 19:03 |
| g0zzy | The hardware or their firmware? | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | firmware | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | or setting. (check those) | 19:06 |
| g0zzy | Actually most BT routers will do OpenWrt | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | first wireless modem/router that verizon gave me was set to do remote admin with the default password | 19:06 |
| g0zzy | But the client in question has only just got his so i'm reluctant to do anything to change the firmware | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | yeah, good idea | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | if the hardware is bad, you want the ISP to be responsible | 19:07 |
| g0zzy | I'm guessing that there's something odd with their DHCP as i've seen this many times | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | the problem is with the router giving an address to local box or router getting an address from ISP? | 19:09 |
| g0zzy | The former | 19:10 |
| g0zzy | Many's the time i've tailed the syslog of a box where the DHCP request falls on deaf ears | 19:11 |
| fsmithred | if you've looked through the settings in the router and they seem correct and it doesn't work, you probably need to talk tot he ISP | 19:11 |
| fsmithred | does a static address work? | 19:12 |
| g0zzy | Well of course, they'd latch on to the fact that other boxes on the network are successful and blame the box itself | 19:12 |
| g0zzy | I haven't tried that. I'd need to visit the client. | 19:13 |
| g0zzy | His two other network devices have no problems. Brand new router today | 19:15 |
| fsmithred | are any of them using wired network? | 19:16 |
| fsmithred | obvious things are to switch out hardware - i.e. try yet another computer, if wired, try a differennt port or a different cable | 19:16 |
| g0zzy | All wireless | 19:18 |
| g0zzy | He might have to wire the laptop pro tem | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | and you know the wireless works on the laptop? | 19:19 |
| g0zzy | Oh yes. At least has been fine before | 19:21 |
| g0zzy | I mean the Devuan wireless applet shows the SID ok and so on | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | so he didn't accidentally turn it off | 19:22 |
| g0zzy | No, otherwise the applet wouldn't show the network would it? | 19:24 |
| fsmithred | right | 19:24 |
| fsmithred | make sure the dhcp has enough available addresses and hasn't allocated only the number of devices he's already using. Unlikely that this would be the problem. | 19:26 |
| g0zzy | Yes, i think there should be plenty of addresses available. It's probably one of those 'gone deaf' cases. Funnily enough, though i've seen this many times with different BT routers, i've never found anyone else reporting this when googling | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | most people probably just call the isp | 19:28 |
| g0zzy | Yes, i guess so. I suppose the number of techies who can actually SEE what's happening are going to be in a very small minority | 19:29 |
| g0zzy | It'd be nice to know whether the dchp server is proprietary | 19:31 |
| g0zzy | I hate it when this kind of thing happens though as people can start thinking 'Linux is at fault' | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | I don't suppose it's running linux and you can log in | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | and look around at the files | 19:33 |
| g0zzy | Oh no. You can't Telnet to BT routers anymore. They stopped that years ago | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | I was thinking ssh, but probably same deal | 19:34 |
| g0zzy | Oh yes. Actually i think ssh wasn't ever present | 19:35 |
| g0zzy | And i know they used to use Linux at least from when i *was* able to telnet in | 19:36 |
| * g0zzy suspected them of GPL naughtiness | 19:36 | |
| fsmithred | ok, I have to work up the nerve to shut down and move some hard drives around. | 19:38 |
| fsmithred | need to go for a walk first. | 19:38 |
| g0zzy | fyi the 'Linux at fault' thing i was getting at is that the other Android and iOS devices are OK, but not the Devuan laptop | 19:38 |
| g0zzy | Sure thing, thanks for the chat | 19:38 |
| fsmithred | so they're all unix-like OS | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | lol | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | see you later | 19:39 |
| g0zzy | Yes | 19:39 |
| g0zzy | Talking of hard drives i was amused to see a Debian prompt on one of the boxes of the crew who first visualized a black hole (BBC program about it) | 19:40 |
| g0zzy | 6000GB of data. The prompt read | 19:41 |
| g0zzy | lsscsi | grep -c disk | 19:41 |
| * tuxd3v tuxd3v is still fighting to get EDE desktop Environment working.. | 21:20 | |
| tuxd3v | http://sanelz.blogspot.com/2013/10/autumn-cleanup.html | 23:49 |
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