gour | i can't recognize my machine today...in last several days i was able to neither properly boot it, nor to cleanly shutdown. systemd-udevs process was hogging my cpu at 100%. even yesterday, when i tried to install devuan, machine was in some kind strange loop, reporting things like https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100241, finally i was able to launch installer, put devuan on my desktop, updated to ceres and today (while stile restoring from the | 16:44 |
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gour | backup) it's kind of new machine perform without any problem. long live devuan! | 16:44 |
nemo | ☺ | 16:58 |
marulo | Hello! Could someone tell me about the current status of the Gnuinos project? | 17:50 |
yeti | https://www.chip.de/news/Google-Maps-ausgetrickst-Stau-Chaos-ganz-ohne-Autos_180660049.html | 17:58 |
yeti | ups... wrong buffer... | 17:58 |
yeti | :-D | 17:59 |
yeti | but nice hack... have a look | 17:59 |
yeti | use a babelfish if needed | 17:59 |
DonkeyHotei | 99 red smartphones go by | 18:00 |
fsmithred | marulo, I know that gnuinos still exists. | 18:00 |
chillfan | marulo: from the looks of it the author (aitor) has images for ascii and beowulf available | 18:00 |
fsmithred | aitor is still around | 18:00 |
chillfan | marulo: I can't say which releases he considers stable but as it's based on Devuan.. I would hazard a guess he hasn't officially declared beowulf images stable, until we do the same for beowulf. | 18:02 |
chillfan | so I would use the ascii images if that matters to you | 18:03 |
marulo | gratefull... | 18:03 |
marulo | !! | 18:03 |
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sedrosken | So I noticed that the topmenu packages are available in the ascii repo but not the beowulf repo. Can I expect them to be moved over or was that a one-time thing? | 18:33 |
chillfan | sedrosken: probably only if debian has it, sometimes packages don't make the freeze so get excluded | 20:03 |
chillfan | see if beowulf-backports has anything | 20:04 |
hemimaniac | hello all | 20:13 |
hemimaniac | I was wondering if I missed something in the forums (or read right by it) for tips if any to add some of my familiar repos to devuan? like mozilla and such? | 20:15 |
hightower2 | Can you help me find the ppc64el netinst? I keep finding and forgetting where it is | 20:26 |
fsmithred | hemimaniac, any third-party software that works on debian will work on devuan as long as it does not need systemd. | 20:38 |
fsmithred | but don't add sources for other distributions | 20:39 |
hemimaniac | ill boot back into devaun and replicate the error brb. ty for responding | 20:40 |
hemimaniac | fsmithred I get this > http://dpaste.com/3SYX79K | 20:46 |
golinux | Never use ubuntu repos on devuan | 20:48 |
golinux | They are not compatible with Devuan | 20:48 |
fsmithred | I don't know if you can get a ppa to work | 20:48 |
hemimaniac | oh my bad, wrong ones, sorry | 20:48 |
golinux | Doing so can put you in a world of hurt. | 20:49 |
hemimaniac | Im liking devuan so far, snappy, my system happy, I'm happy | 20:49 |
golinux | From https://devuan.org/os/: | 20:50 |
golinux | Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian, Ubuntu, Mint etc, should NOT be used directly. | 20:50 |
hemimaniac | can't believe I didn't see that | 20:50 |
fsmithred | if you need newer firefox, just download it from mozilla | 20:50 |
golinux | There's a lot of info on the site to sift through | 20:51 |
hemimaniac | I was originally installing devuan to see if I could replicate all the sysvinit stuffs in Mint and blow away systemd, but now I may have just found a refuge | 20:52 |
hemimaniac | :0 | 20:52 |
fsmithred | hightower2, are you looking for debian-installer-netboot deb package? | 20:55 |
fsmithred | looks like it contains vmlinux and initrd.gz | 20:56 |
hightower2 | no there was a netinst.iso too | 20:57 |
fsmithred | I didn't know that | 20:57 |
hightower2 | I'll find it, just a sec | 20:57 |
fsmithred | it was somewhere other than files.devuan.org? | 20:57 |
hightower2 | The last location I have saved was: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-ppc64el/current/images/netboot/mini.iso | 20:58 |
hightower2 | now let's see if this got moved somewhere | 20:58 |
fsmithred | dead link | 21:00 |
hightower2 | yeah, can't find where this got moved | 21:00 |
hightower2 | it worked in Mar 2019 | 21:00 |
golinux | fsmithred: Isn't Dan doing that? | 21:02 |
fsmithred | yes, pretty sure it's Dan | 21:02 |
golinux | He's the one to ask then. | 21:02 |
fsmithred | um, maybe not - I see powerpc, and I think that's what he's doing | 21:04 |
golinux | Isn't that what ppc stands for? | 21:04 |
fsmithred | power9 | 21:04 |
fsmithred | It might have been removed because it stopped working | 21:05 |
fsmithred | and then didn't get replaced | 21:05 |
golinux | That was my thought | 21:06 |
hightower2 | ok, thanks | 21:07 |
fsmithred | do you have a working system in that arch? | 21:08 |
hightower2 | I used to have, installed from that image | 21:08 |
fsmithred | I'm wondering if you could make a live-iso from it and use that to install | 21:08 |
fsmithred | ok, ppc64el is for power8 and power9, so CenturionDan is the one to ask. | 21:10 |
fsmithred | if you can find him | 21:10 |
hightower2 | will email | 21:10 |
fsmithred | catch him between changing diapers | 21:10 |
golinux | hightower2: Confirmed from this old irc entry: 2018-07-17.log [00:46:51] <Centurion_Dan> parazyd, KatolaZ - my TalosII power9 hardware has arrived. Will try to video the unboxing and getting it running on Devuan. I will try and get it to run a buildhost vm for ppc64 asap. | 21:21 |
hightower2 | golinux, yes, and the first working ppc64el happened even before that, parazyd did it | 21:22 |
hightower2 | ok emailed Dan just to see if he has something we don't know | 21:23 |
MinceR | was the change to PowerPC to POWER just a rebranding? | 21:24 |
MinceR | hm, should have asked on #debianfork | 21:24 |
DonkeyHotei | POWER predates PowerPC | 21:24 |
MinceR | but also post-dates it | 21:24 |
DonkeyHotei | iirc they are both extant | 21:25 |
MinceR | oh, i thought they stopped doing PPC a while ago | 21:25 |
DonkeyHotei | idk, kinda lost track with nxp taking over | 21:26 |
golinux | hightower2: Good. Let us know what he has to say. | 21:26 |
stovepipe | so i installed kde with tasksel just to check it out a bit, boy was that a mistake lol | 22:43 |
stovepipe | what a mess | 22:44 |
fsmithred | stovepipe, was that in addition to another desktop? | 22:47 |
stovepipe | heh yeah xfce | 22:48 |
fsmithred | did you have to switch from consolekit to elogind? | 22:48 |
stovepipe | dont even know the extent of the damage yet | 22:48 |
fsmithred | was there an autoremove involved? | 22:48 |
stovepipe | no network, wicd got whacked | 22:48 |
stovepipe | unfortunately i didnt pay much attention to what it was doing | 22:49 |
fsmithred | if you want to play mix-and-match it's a lot easier without any task- packages | 22:49 |
stovepipe | so i gather | 22:49 |
fsmithred | install the desktop parts separately | 22:49 |
stovepipe | it even altered xfce's appearance | 22:50 |
fsmithred | also helps to exclude Recommends, although you might want to install some of them | 22:50 |
fsmithred | how so? | 22:50 |
stovepipe | pointer, menus look different | 22:50 |
stovepipe | icon text changed | 22:50 |
stovepipe | color | 22:50 |
stovepipe | i'm going to reinstall lol i am not picking through this mess | 22:50 |
fsmithred | ok, that's fair | 22:51 |
stovepipe | i went in tasksel again and deselected kde for lols | 22:51 |
stovepipe | made it worse | 22:51 |
fsmithred | those of us who like a custom mix un-check the desktop tasks in the installer | 22:52 |
stovepipe | it did put wicd back on, but it doesnt work anymore | 22:52 |
fsmithred | did connman get installed to take its place? | 22:52 |
stovepipe | beats me, too late to check now | 22:53 |
stovepipe | i did get nm-plasma to work in kde | 22:53 |
stovepipe | it wanted some keyring thing | 22:53 |
fsmithred | oh, I always get rid of that thing | 22:54 |
stovepipe | now everything is just irritating lol starting over is easier | 22:54 |
fsmithred | yeah | 22:54 |
fsmithred | kde does work if you just install that | 22:54 |
stovepipe | i'm sure | 22:54 |
fsmithred | mixing desktops is not as easy as it used to be | 22:54 |
stovepipe | apparently | 22:55 |
fsmithred | polkit fun | 22:55 |
stovepipe | i just wanted to play shisen-sho heh | 22:55 |
fsmithred | oh yeah | 22:55 |
stovepipe | then i thought, lets see how well kde runs on this old laptop now | 22:55 |
fsmithred | been a long time since I used kde | 22:55 |
stovepipe | runs pretty good | 22:55 |
stovepipe | ultimately i'm just going to use fvwm | 22:56 |
fsmithred | lol | 22:56 |
stovepipe | but i want it back where it was before the mess | 22:56 |
stovepipe | luckily i did a backup the other day | 22:56 |
fsmithred | oh, even easier | 22:57 |
stovepipe | kinda | 22:59 |
stovepipe | just home dir and etc | 22:59 |
stovepipe | and log | 23:00 |
stovepipe | its enough | 23:00 |
stovepipe | weird, xfce only lets me log out now | 23:06 |
stovepipe | no shutdown or reboot heh | 23:06 |
fsmithred | check for policykit-1-gnome | 23:08 |
stovepipe | NO | 23:08 |
stovepipe | lol | 23:08 |
stovepipe | already reinstalling | 23:08 |
fsmithred | no, you refuse to check for anything with gnome in the name? | 23:09 |
fsmithred | can't blame you for that. | 23:09 |
stovepipe | that too | 23:09 |
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