| agris | are the bug report servers down? | 06:16 |
|---|---|---|
| agris | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y | 06:16 |
| agris | Retrieving bug reports... 0% | 06:16 |
| agris | apt hangs trying to download | 06:16 |
| gnarface | agris: http://bugs.devuan.org/ is up for me | 06:22 |
| gnarface | agris: something might be wrong with some of the access methods still, but i seem to recall them saying the email submission method works | 06:23 |
| agris | apt fails saying it can't contact the bts server | 06:24 |
| agris | not the mail server | 06:24 |
| gnarface | yea but i'm saying it might be trying to connect to the wrong one | 06:24 |
| agris | ? | 06:24 |
| gnarface | i don't know if it's been un-debianized, so you might need to use web/email instead | 06:24 |
| gnarface | i'm running out of ideas about ways to restate that | 06:25 |
| agris | gnarface, I'm not trying to submit a bug. I'm trying to run apt upgrade | 06:26 |
| gnarface | you said retrieving bug reports...? | 06:27 |
| gnarface | check your /etc/apt/sources.list | 06:27 |
| gnarface | maybe something is wrong with it, or with one of the repos | 06:27 |
| agris | sources look fine | 06:42 |
| agris | it appears if you just let apt try to download for 10 minutes it eventually works | 06:47 |
| agris | weird | 06:47 |
| agris | that's strange | 07:45 |
| agris | /etc/init.d/nftables does not exist | 07:45 |
| agris | looks like nftables is pretty broken on ascii | 08:16 |
| gnarface | you're fully upgraded? | 08:27 |
| gnarface | maybe you'll have better luck with the kernel in ascii-backports | 08:27 |
| DarwinElf | where would I put my own initialization scripts on classic Debian/Devuan, and what style is it? (I'm used to SysVInit...) | 08:50 |
| gnarface | it is sysvinit | 08:50 |
| gnarface | you add them to /etc/init.d/ | 08:51 |
| gnarface | the documentation for debian wheezy and earlier should still be relevant | 08:52 |
| DarwinElf | well that doesn't look familiar. I use /etc/rc.d | 09:19 |
| DarwinElf | thanks. Then I add them to /etc/init.d/rc.local ? | 09:20 |
| DarwinElf | and what happened to /etc/init.d/rc.local_shutdown? | 09:24 |
| gnarface | DarwinElf: no, you still use /etc/rc.d/ too, but they're just symlinks that point to the scripts in /etc/init.d/ ... it has always worked that way | 09:35 |
| gnarface | you could use /etc/rc.local instead if you want | 09:35 |
| gnarface | that runs at the end, after everything else. there's a package you need to install first, maybe it adds a /etc/init.d/rc.local... | 09:36 |
| gnarface | may or may not need to install, i should say | 10:11 |
| gnu_srs1 | Hello., I need some help to detect if a process runs inside a container lxc/docker/podman/etc: | 11:00 |
| gnu_srs1 | Can you check the output of "cat /proc/1/sched | head -n 1" if you run sysvinit, openrc, runit, s6, systemd or some container? | 11:00 |
| gnu_srs1 | Thanks :) | 11:00 |
| gnarface | gnu_srs1: i think the answer is going to be container-specific, but probably it will NOT report processes of guests IN the container on the host without special tools | 11:39 |
| gnarface | (that is sort of the whole point of such containers) | 11:40 |
| gnu_srs1 | gnarface: Yes, I know the output is container-specific, that's why I ask. | 11:46 |
| gnarface | well, you'll have to pick a container first, then check the documentation for it's tools | 11:49 |
| gnu_srs1 | I was asking for people out there running a container the output of the command: "cat /proc/1/sched | head -n 1" | 11:51 |
| gnarface | oh, i see | 11:53 |
| onefang | The qemu that I'm experimenting with right now says "init (1, #threads: 1)", Does that count? | 11:55 |
| gnu_srs1 | From https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20010199/how-to-determine-if-a-process-runs-inside-lxc-docker: | 11:55 |
| gnu_srs1 | cat /proc/1/sched | head -n 1; bash (5276, #threads: 1) | 11:55 |
| gnu_srs1 | onefang: Yes, you are not running in a container, right? | 11:56 |
| onefang | Just a chrooted qemu. | 11:56 |
| gnu_srs1 | The previous was a container host. For a non-container host you get for example: cat /proc/1/sched | head -n 1; init (1, #threads: 1) | 11:58 |
| gnu_srs1 | All this is needed for checking if you should start udevd or not, being in a container you should not. | 12:00 |
| onefang | Ah. | 12:00 |
| onefang | And being in qemu I should. | 12:01 |
| sedrosken | is there a way to install the OpenCL ICD for AMDGPU-PRO without installing the rest of the stuff? all I wanted was the OpenCL ICD, not all the dkms stuff | 15:27 |
| sedrosken | I literally built the open source AMDGPU thing into my custom kernel | 15:28 |
| gnu_srs1 | Hi again: Anybody running a lxc/docker/podman? container? Please, report the output of: cat /proc/1/sched | head -n 1 | 15:39 |
| emdete | Hi, i installed a Devuan image on a pi zero and wonder where the kernel comes from. There is no package containing it (it's just /boot/kernel.img it seems), version is 4.14.44+ reported by `uname` but i can't find any package with that version number. i want to use dkms to install wireguard, how can i do so? | 17:47 |
| mason | emdete: There's #devuan-arm but my general understanding is that we don't have a solid RPi build as yet. | 18:03 |
| tuxd3v | us and Germany working together.. | 18:08 |
| tuxd3v | https://www.rt.com/news/480627-cia-spied-swiss-firm/ | 18:08 |
| yeti | emdete: yip. the kernel was beamed into the image via subspace... or magic... a big problem... | 18:26 |
| yeti | the debian image has a packaged kernel but goes suicide on kernel update | 18:27 |
| yeti | one line un config.txt gets lost | 18:27 |
| yeti | maybe we can transfer debian's kernel update method to devuan... | 18:28 |
| yeti | or transgrade a debian image | 18:29 |
| yeti | https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/raspberrypi3/20190628/ | 18:31 |
| yeti | imaged for pi0,2,3 | 18:31 |
| yeti | the pi0 image runs on pi1 too | 18:31 |
| yeti | until the next kernel update ... :-P | 18:32 |
| emdete | yeti: so bettter i dont touch that ;) but can i get dkms working somehow? | 18:45 |
| yeti | I've put using debian and devuan on PIs on hold. | 18:46 |
| emdete | yeti: i decided to use that zero cause its cheap - do you have a better suggestion? | 18:48 |
| emdete | yeti: it's for a school project, so the pupils may break some ;) | 18:48 |
| bsd4me | hello! Looking at download sites, I see ascii and jessie. Is it possible to get a beowulf or ceres iso to install with? Must I start with ascii and upgrade? | 18:48 |
| yeti | then using everything other than raspian will be a pain | 18:48 |
| yeti | they will start googling and will find 99% raspian answers | 18:49 |
| bsd4me | This lenovo ideapad is pretty harsh with anything other than newer kernels :( | 18:49 |
| fsmithred | bsd4me, do you need a kernel newer than 4.9? | 18:51 |
| bsd4me | Yes | 18:52 |
| bsd4me | At minimum 4.16, but the newer 5.x work great | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | I've got an unofficial devuan desktop-live iso with backports kernel | 18:53 |
| bsd4me | main problem, but not only problem, is amd | 18:54 |
| bsd4me | amdgpu... | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/ | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | I think the amd firmware is installed | 18:55 |
| bsd4me | fsmithred: what is the difference between the 10 and the test iso? | 18:57 |
| bsd4me | Just curious which to try :) | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | unofficial desktop-live is the same as the official desktop-live except for the kernel | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | the test-oblx is beowulf with openbox, lxpanel and beowulf-backports kernel | 18:58 |
| fsmithred | both have wireless firmware installed | 18:58 |
| fsmithred | the oblx has almost no apps installed | 18:58 |
| fsmithred | the nodbus builds are truly experimental. No dbus. | 19:00 |
| bsd4me | is the oblx with a 5.3 kernel, or does that mean something else? I'm not good with abbreviations :( | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | 5.3 kernel | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | from beowulf-backports | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | openbox/lxpanel/lxterminal | 19:01 |
| bsd4me | Ok, I'll try that one! Thanks :) I've used openbox/etc before so no problem there | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | there's a file manager and text editor included. | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | Probably links2 browser. | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure. | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | make the web look like 1995 again! | 19:02 |
| bsd4me | If it will boot, X will start, and my touchpad works, then I'll be happy. I can worry about browser after that :D | 19:03 |
| bsd4me | downloading it now | 19:03 |
| bsd4me | lol, just read the txt file :D | 19:06 |
| MinceR | make the web work on machines made in 1995 again | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | that would be nice | 19:08 |
| emdete | yeti: are you maintaining the pi stuff? in that image a file (/lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac43430-sdio.txt) is missing, whom can i tell? | 19:08 |
| yeti | no... I'm just another nobody with some PIs | 19:11 |
| bsd4me | ok, off to boot oblx. Will report later. | 19:28 |
| yeti | emdete: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/raspi-firmware/merge_requests/12/diffs#94dc7bd91c09e1a4aaa1a84a29e4657f3aefb44a_117_105 | 20:19 |
| yeti | this patch should fix the suicide on kernel update problem of the pi0 image | 20:19 |
| yeti | but I dont see new images | 20:19 |
| bsd4me | fsmithred: here's dmesg. https://textuploader.com/16cm0 | 20:23 |
| bsd4me | and here's the xorg.log. https://textuploader.com/16cmk | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | cool, it works? | 20:24 |
| bsd4me | well, it booted but I had to crtl-c during booting. It couldn't initialize loopX sdX | 20:25 |
| fsmithred | ? | 20:25 |
| bsd4me | didn't recognize wireless at all. Not even usb dongle | 20:26 |
| fsmithred | enable contrib and non-free in sources.list, apt update, apt install firmware-amd-graphics | 20:26 |
| bsd4me | ok, can do that :) | 20:27 |
| bsd4me | I'll try to get output of the not initializing loop and sdX lines. Seems like related to dbus??? | 20:29 |
| bsd4me | fsmithred: here is a pic of what I was talking about during booting. https://pasteboard.co/IUnRqrC.jpg | 20:53 |
| bsd4me | amd-graphics installed and didn't help starting X | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | should have already been installed | 20:55 |
| bsd4me | I'm going to be busy for a while now, but will still be connected here. | 20:55 |
| bsd4me | yes :) | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | I booted the iso and I see it | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | I can't see that paste | 20:55 |
| bsd4me | let me check | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | javascript | 20:55 |
| bsd4me | https://pasteboard.co/IUnSQEP.jpg | 20:56 |
| bsd4me | oh, ok | 20:57 |
| bsd4me | obviously I'm able to ctlr-c out of it and continue booting. | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | maybe add 'nomodeset' to boot command | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | is it waiting for a network connection? | 20:58 |
| bsd4me | no, just goes through a very long list of sd(a-?) | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | does it say something about waiting for udev? | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | and 'not found in database' | 21:00 |
| bsd4me | not found in database | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | ok, I haven't figured out how to predict when that will happen | 21:01 |
| bsd4me | not initiazlized in udev database | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | I get it sometimes when chrooting to install grub | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | and the fix there is to bind-mount run/udev to the chroot | 21:01 |
| bsd4me | doesn't seem to hurt when I ctlr-c out of it | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | otherwise it takes a few minutes | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that too | 21:02 |
| james1138 | Sorry about the delay. Bsd4me: maybe these will help you with Lenovo support on Devuan - https://launchpad.net/~jamesf/+archive/ubuntu/lenovofixes | 21:03 |
| bsd4me | I have to delete a partition to install it, so trying to make sure I can boot and get X running before installing the iso :) | 21:06 |
| bsd4me | james1138: ? what is this referring to? | 21:06 |
| bsd4me | maybe somebody else? | 21:06 |
| james1138 | Bsd4me - you wrote earlier "lenovo ideapad is pretty harsh with anything other than newer kernels" | 21:07 |
| bsd4me | ah, ok :) thanks! | 21:08 |
| james1138 | sure thing | 21:08 |
| bsd4me | lol, I really have a very strong dislike for this laptop! Just got it brand new at a very good price, and I needed something right then :/ | 21:10 |
| james1138 | Sorry all for now being strict Devuan - just giving Bsd4me just one my tip (being a fellow Lenovo user). Bsd4me: check out the website devoted to Linux on Lenovo - https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki | 21:11 |
| james1138 | "I meant one last typ" | 21:12 |
| james1138 | tip | 21:12 |
| bsd4me | will do. Thanks! :) | 21:12 |
| james1138 | Anytime | 21:12 |
| bsd4me | I have lenovo ideapad 320-15ast, but bought it for $280 iirc | 21:13 |
| DarwinElf | can't one get an aptitude package, etc.? | 21:23 |
| DarwinElf | otherwise I'm not sure how to find packages & dependencies, and it seems it'd be very laborious. Debian already had aptitude several years ago so I'm quite surprised why it doesn't seem available... | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | DarwinElf, 'apt install aptitude' | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | maybe add --no-install-recommends | 21:34 |
| DarwinElf | what's '--no-install-recommends?' | 21:35 |
| fsmithred | it excludes extra packages that are recommended but not required for whateer you're installing | 21:35 |
| fsmithred | some people use it to avoid cruft | 21:36 |
| DarwinElf | thanks | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | anything that's in debian should be in devuan with the exception of systemd and a few things that go with it | 21:36 |
| DarwinElf | well it still said 'Package aptitude is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source' | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | or something in your sources.list needs to be adjusted | 21:37 |
| DarwinElf | i didn't change it from default | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | apt update | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/ <-- examples | 21:39 |
| DarwinElf | well I did then changed it back; so that's what I need to do (apt update; ) have aptitude now :) | 21:39 |
| DarwinElf | i have a virtual private server (VPS) I followed instructions to convert from Debian 9 to Devuan but not sure what version it actually is. I'm trying to compile ZNC 1.7.4 and it keeps saying 'c++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus)'... maybe because the server doesn't have a lot of memory resources? Isn't there a way to run it with less memory? | 22:10 |
| DarwinElf | yeah; I viewed htop and it took all the 128MB RAM and maybe swap space... | 22:11 |
| DarwinElf | should I ask in #znc? | 22:11 |
| m3tti | is distcc an option? | 22:12 |
| DarwinElf | sure... but I've never setup that over a WAN... | 22:12 |
| DarwinElf | if I could let distcc use my PC for that, it'd be great, as I have 8x4GHz and 64GB RAM... just didn't think I'd need a more powerful VPS | 22:13 |
| m3tti | oh shit than you would need a vpn i guess :D | 22:13 |
| m3tti | or what about compile a package and ship the package to the server | 22:13 |
| m3tti | also an option | 22:14 |
| m3tti | but i've never set up a deb package | 22:14 |
| DarwinElf | maybe, but I don't have Devuan on a more powerful system... I usually use *BSD Unix or Slackware GNU/Linux... but I'm not even making it a package, just installing it... it probably has a 'make uninstall' but if not, I'm not sure I care. I'd make it a .deb if it's not too difficult... | 22:15 |
| DarwinElf | i guess I can install Devuan in an emulator/virtual-machine on this PC and it'll be powerful enough... but not sure what my version is considered. lsb_release -a says Devuan 9... | 22:16 |
| m3tti | setup a changeroot with devuan or a vm and try to build a package or even in a virtual environment | 22:16 |
| m3tti | devuan 9 is basically ascii i guess | 22:16 |
| DarwinElf | i'm not sure I've ran an OS in a chroot before but that sounds more interesting... I've installed an OS just to compile stuff, maybe that's all I'd need to do (not 'mount --bind' /dev,/proc,/sys?) | 22:17 |
| bsd4me | fsmithred: rebooted with nomodeset added to grub, then did apt update and apt install firmware-amd-graphics, and then apt reinstall firmware-amd-graphics. Still couldn't get X. | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what the issue is. I'm not that good with diagnosing xorg problems | 22:18 |
| bsd4me | ok, thanks for all your help anyway :) | 22:19 |
| bsd4me | If I could log in X, I'd then see if james site would help. | 22:19 |
| DarwinElf | ok, are there instructions somewhere for installing a Devuan chroot within some other POSIX-based (at this time GNU/Linux) OS? | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | bsd4me, links2 will work in console | 22:28 |
| bsd4me | oh yeah, forgot :D Thanks | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | it'll be fast, too | 22:30 |
| bsd4me | yep | 22:30 |
| DarwinElf | yes, exactly: I need to learn how to make a chroot of Devuan | 22:41 |
| bsd4me | off to install refracta via console. bbl | 23:14 |
| gnarface | DarwinElf: it isn't fundamentally different from a debian chroot but you will need the devuan version of debootstrap | 23:43 |
| gnarface | (unless debian has finally patched theirs, but i suspect they have not) | 23:44 |
| DarwinElf | ok, well I've never done that. I stopped using Debian around 2002 and switched back to older POSIX-based OSes | 23:49 |
| DarwinElf | ok, I installed debootstrap | 23:50 |
| gnarface | DarwinElf: well, yes, basically you run the debootstrap comand, then you run 3 (optionally 4) bind mount commands, then you chroot in | 23:58 |
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