gnarface | systemdlete: glad you got it worked out. i think you might be in luck too... 340 might be barely new enough to run Steam still :) | 00:07 |
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gnarface | (not all the games probably, but at least some of them) | 00:08 |
systemdlete | gnarface: This is just my testbox, and I don't really play games much. Just solitaire and mahjongg (booooooooring!) | 06:17 |
gnarface | systemdlete: well, it also may cause general issues with certain window managers, and other things that use mesa. it's worth being aware of in your testing | 06:40 |
gnarface | (*compositing* window managers specifically. probably not old school ones) | 06:40 |
systemdlete | ok, thanks. Are there any specific tests or programs I should try? | 06:40 |
gnarface | kde | 06:40 |
gnarface | heh | 06:40 |
systemdlete | I am using xfce atm | 06:40 |
systemdlete | I can install kde and try that also | 06:41 |
onefang | 3D is useful for more than just games. | 06:41 |
systemdlete | I'm assembling a shelf unit atm. But in a couple of hours, I'll fool with KDE a bit | 06:42 |
gnarface | systemdlete: enlightenment would also be another good one to try. version 0.22.4 is in beowulf | 08:18 |
systemdlete | only problem is that this monitor on the testbox is ancient. I might switch back to the vga port on my newer monitor (about 2 years old) | 08:25 |
systemdlete | I love kde. Every time I have installed it over the years, the thing just got bigger. More packages than ever. Must be a deluxe env these days... | 08:28 |
onefang | I heard they put KDE on a diet recently. I'm still not gonna install it. | 08:29 |
systemdlete | For extra drama, I am selecting sddm to see how it plays with kde, enlightenment, xfce and any others that I may have installed by default | 08:32 |
systemdlete | (I've had tons of fun in the past -- ascii and jessie -- with display managers. So get ready for a long barrage of posts here... LOL) | 08:33 |
systemdlete | KDE is installing. I'll come back next week to test it. | 08:33 |
gnarface | well, if mesa falls back to software rendering, i expect everything will work fine except with a heavy performance penalty | 08:49 |
gnarface | oh wait, you went with the nvidia-legacy driver | 08:49 |
gnarface | so no mesa | 08:49 |
gnarface | yea, that'll get interesting... | 08:49 |
gnarface | i expect a lot of things to half work but fail in strange ways | 08:50 |
gnarface | anything that actually works all the way might be worthy of being impressed with | 08:52 |
systemdlete | I'll be sure to feel impressed if anything works, I promise. | 08:55 |
systemdlete | ooh ooh. Enlightenment setup... verrrrrry fancy! | 08:58 |
onefang | I used to be an Enlightenment developer, some of what you are running now I wrote. | 08:59 |
systemdlete | so, setup option asks me: disable composite effects | 09:00 |
onefang | You are using it to test those, so don't disable them. | 09:00 |
systemdlete | good, thanks! | 09:01 |
systemdlete | seems to work fine | 09:03 |
gnarface | systemdlete: in with opengl hardware accel on even? when you enable composite effects there's some other options like whether to use software mode and i think whether to vsync... | 09:16 |
gnarface | you would notice a cpu load drop and corresponding gpu load increase if it works right | 09:17 |
gnarface | if it works wrong it might crash, corrupt, freeze, or just be missing buttons | 09:17 |
systemdlete | composite settings? | 09:18 |
gnarface | "composite effects" i think is also a separate option you can enable if compositing is on, that should enable some extra flashy eye candy | 09:18 |
gnarface | yea they're in settings->settings panel->compositor, i think | 09:19 |
gnarface | sorry, settings panel->look->compositor | 09:19 |
gnarface | ... -> advanced | 09:19 |
gnarface | and there's also a framerate limiter in settings panel->advanced->performance | 09:21 |
gnarface | in an earlier version there was "engine" settings in there too, i think, but i think that was before your version | 09:21 |
systemdlete | in composite settings, I see don't fade backlight, enable fast composite effects, and disable composite effects. | 09:22 |
gnarface | maybe i'm gettings some of these things confused with e17 | 09:22 |
gnarface | anyway, if it's working good that's actually pretty cool | 09:22 |
systemdlete | oh, software is selected, not opengl | 09:23 |
systemdlete | maybe this is what we are looking for? | 09:23 |
gnarface | systemdlete: in that composite settings panel, there should be an "advanced >" button in the bottom right corner, that will change that whole sub-panel to an entirely separate one with extra verbose options | 09:23 |
systemdlete | it does. | 09:23 |
systemdlete | should I select opengl or software? | 09:24 |
gnarface | systemdlete: opengl is the one we're interested in | 09:24 |
gnarface | software is expected to work (with the aforementioned cpu load penalty) | 09:24 |
gnarface | somewhere in there is a way to show the whole WM's framerate on screen too, but you have to actually be moving windows for it to show a value other than 0 | 09:25 |
systemdlete | well, now I no longer can click on anything it seems | 09:25 |
gnarface | oh | 09:26 |
gnarface | hard freeze | 09:26 |
systemdlete | mouse moves around | 09:26 |
gnarface | yea that was more like what i was expecting | 09:26 |
gnarface | oh you got mouse? | 09:26 |
gnarface | hmm | 09:26 |
gnarface | ctrl+alt+f2 fast | 09:26 |
gnarface | it might work | 09:26 |
systemdlete | and mouse glows in and out, but | 09:26 |
systemdlete | console | 09:26 |
gnarface | you might be able to bail out and kill X manually still | 09:26 |
gnarface | hehe, sorry about that | 09:26 |
systemdlete | but won't the same options be restored when I run it again? | 09:27 |
gnarface | yes, just rm -rf ~/.e/ | 09:27 |
systemdlete | ah, of course! | 09:27 |
systemdlete | gone. | 09:28 |
gnarface | though, that *nvidia* driver might now be unhappy enough that you'll have to reboot anyway, but at least now you can do it in a controlled fashion | 09:28 |
systemdlete | yes, rebooting now' | 09:28 |
systemdlete | ok, it's back to where it was (enlightenment) | 09:31 |
systemdlete | haven't tried kde yet | 09:31 |
gnarface | kde plasma desktop should be using similar technology, but i am not familiar with the controls | 09:31 |
gnarface | did you succeed in getting mesa from beowulf-backports? | 09:32 |
gnarface | oh damn, i keep getting hung up on mesa | 09:32 |
gnarface | forget that | 09:32 |
gnarface | but you still can use mesa-utils for basic opengl functionality tests | 09:32 |
gnarface | get that package and run glxgears | 09:33 |
gnarface | get the mesa-utils package from wherever you got the nvidia package from | 09:33 |
gnarface | it probably won't matter but it might | 09:34 |
systemdlete | ethernet port is winking out on me again | 09:35 |
systemdlete | I need to look into that. I'll be back to opengl a bit later... | 09:37 |
systemdlete | flakey little pos... | 09:40 |
systemdlete | got my network back | 09:40 |
gnarface | i would definitely consider switching ethernet devices | 09:41 |
systemdlete | but even the other port doesn't work much better... | 09:42 |
systemdlete | just as flakey | 09:42 |
systemdlete | running glxgears. Pretty simple, but pretty still | 09:42 |
systemdlete | glxgears is running at around 60 FPS | 09:43 |
systemdlete | when it starts, the first report is always off a bit (around 70 fps) but then it settles into a fairly consistent pattern of 60.0dd (tenths and hundredths of a second) | 09:45 |
systemdlete | I'm guessing that is about right for the refresh rate (60 Hz in most of NA) | 09:46 |
systemdlete | well, this monitor anyway | 09:46 |
systemdlete | (and the card too I am guessing?) | 09:46 |
systemdlete | btw, the nvidia legacy package was in the repos I think | 09:47 |
gnarface | yes, try running it like this: __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears | 09:47 |
systemdlete | ok | 09:47 |
gnarface | (just fyi for nouveau & mesa i think it's: vblank_mode=0 glxgears) | 09:48 |
systemdlete | (???) | 09:49 |
systemdlete | not too much difference with the GL_SYNC biz set to 0 | 09:49 |
gnarface | oh probably because of the enlightenment compositor | 09:50 |
gnarface | also set to max 60? | 09:50 |
gnarface | hmmm, no, but that works for me though... | 09:50 |
gnarface | heh, maybe that's all the faster it goes | 09:50 |
gnarface | well how much faster does it go with it unlocked? | 09:50 |
gnarface | any? does it still stick at 60 or does it go up to like 130? | 09:50 |
systemdlete | with vblank_mode=0 glxgears, it gives me 1100 or so fps | 09:51 |
gnarface | no no, ignore that | 09:51 |
gnarface | that was just for if you get nouveau working later | 09:51 |
gnarface | which you might decide to try | 09:51 |
gnarface | what about with this? __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears | 09:51 |
gnarface | make sure your cpu is in performance mode too | 09:51 |
gnarface | if it has multiple frequencies... does it? | 09:52 |
systemdlete | I tried to change the cpu speed, nothing changes | 09:52 |
gnarface | what does this say? ls -l /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 09:53 |
systemdlete | forgot to set opengl after reboot (enlightenment got reset, etc...) | 09:54 |
systemdlete | but still, the fps rate is still around 60 | 09:55 |
gnarface | enlightenment might itself be a limitation, you might want to try some non-compositing window manager just for comparison | 09:55 |
systemdlete | I finally finessed the thing into 3.3 GHz | 09:57 |
gnarface | nice, well that will help, but be careful to watch for overheating at first at least... | 09:58 |
systemdlete | odd. the temp scale does not show actual temp, even though there is a choice of C or F in the settings for it | 10:00 |
systemdlete | weird | 10:00 |
gnarface | have you run "sensors-detect" as root yet? | 10:00 |
systemdlete | Do I need to install lm_sensors for that? | 10:00 |
systemdlete | no | 10:00 |
gnarface | yes, you need lm-sensors first, then run sensors-detect or sensors_detect or whatever it is | 10:00 |
systemdlete | yes | sensors-detect | 10:09 |
systemdlete | I figure if the board is not able to handle it, if it burns down I dont care. The board is old anyway | 10:09 |
systemdlete | so the temp doesn't show up until you move the mouse over the thermometer... | 10:28 |
systemdlete | and the thermometer actually updates -- the "mercury" is low now, which looks right | 10:30 |
systemdlete | I CRASHED IT! I CRASHED IT! | 10:36 |
gnarface | you can run sensors or xsensors | 10:36 |
gnarface | to get a full dump | 10:36 |
systemdlete | ? | 10:36 |
gnarface | of the temperatures and fan speeds and voltages... sensors is a terminal program that just dumps text, xsensors will open a window | 10:37 |
systemdlete | I made enlightenment go boom | 10:37 |
gnarface | hehe | 10:37 |
* onefang throws an air bag into systemdlete's face. | 10:37 | |
systemdlete | I hope it was a clean air bag. | 10:38 |
onefang | The bit that throws an air bag, er I mean pops up a window, when something Enlightenment ran crashes, I wrote that bit. Was clean when I left it. | 10:39 |
onefang | Crashing Enlightenment itself throws up a different window. | 10:39 |
systemdlete | It says "Enlightenment Error. This is very bad, Enlightenment SEGV'd. This is not meant to happen and is likely a sign of a bug in Enlightenment... yada yada yada" | 10:41 |
systemdlete | bad enlightenment, bad! | 10:42 |
onefang | In the terms of Enlightenment developers, spank spank spank! No, I didn't write that. lol | 10:42 |
systemdlete | it wants me to compile E and EFL and THEN report it. | 10:46 |
onefang | The version in the repo is a year or three behind. They are releasing a new version next month. | 10:47 |
gnarface | systemdlete: yea it's old news, a 0.23.x is already in ceres... i recommend just ignoring it for now and trying a different WM | 10:48 |
systemdlete | doing kde now | 10:48 |
surrealp1 | is that normal, that in my devuan installation the kernel doesn't have support for nfs? | 19:47 |
surrealp1 | i am running on ARM, so kernel is for ARM | 19:48 |
surrealp1 | ls -l /lib/modules/kernel/fs | 19:49 |
surrealp1 | does not contain nfs | 19:49 |
yeti | someone in ( #devuan-arm || https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 ) might know more | 19:49 |
surrealp1 | ok | 19:50 |
yeti | ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/nfs | 19:52 |
surrealp1 | right | 19:52 |
yeti | ok | 19:53 |
surrealp1 | typo | 19:53 |
yeti | i have nfs modules on my frankendevuan | 19:53 |
yeti | running devuan3 with debian10 kernel infrastructure | 19:53 |
yeti | on cubietruck | 19:53 |
debdog | https://packages.debian.org/buster/nfs-kernel-server | 19:53 |
surrealp1 | i get "Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning)." when trying to run the service | 19:56 |
surrealp1 | and the module file is absent from ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/nfs | 19:57 |
yeti | thts a definitive verdict | 19:57 |
surrealp1 | lol | 19:57 |
fsmithred | surrealp1, how did you install devuan? | 20:08 |
surrealp1 | i followed this: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/README.txt | 20:13 |
fsmithred | I was going to suggest beowulf, but I have a feeling it's the same | 20:13 |
fsmithred | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/ Go into installer-<ARCH> to find what you need | 20:14 |
surrealp1 | what's the difference? | 20:18 |
fsmithred | ascii=stretch, beowulf=buster | 20:20 |
fsmithred | I see ext and fat in the udeb list, but not nfs. I'm guessing it's the same in the kernel. | 20:20 |
ShorTie | what kernel is devuan jessie ?? | 22:42 |
debdog | 3.16 IIRC | 22:46 |
yeti | that captcha still is there with the same old Q? | 22:59 |
ShorTie | how long will it be supported ?? | 23:00 |
fsmithred | jessie is LTS until June | 23:01 |
ShorTie | how about beowulf ?? | 23:04 |
fsmithred | not sure. Check debian lts page for buster | 23:05 |
ShorTie | ok, Thankz | 23:05 |
ShorTie | is there a arm64 ?? | 23:12 |
debdog | not yet. AFAIK $someone is working on that | 23:14 |
debdog | tuxd3v maybe? | 23:15 |
golinux | ShorTie: Ask at #devuan-ARM or https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 | 23:19 |
golinux | #devuan-arm (no caps) | 23:19 |
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