| Atari-Frosch | debdog: Uh, it is possible that I installed gimp after feh … just found /usr/lib/mc/ext.d/image.sh and I do not really know what to do with it. I'm not familiar with that MIME stuff. | 00:02 |
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| Tenkawa | golinux: still got a minute to help me test my rerouted connectivity? | 00:04 |
| debdog | Atari-Frosch: I am neither, sadly | 00:06 |
| fsmithred | Tenkawa, I'm there if you want to test | 00:12 |
| Tenkawa | ok.. let me get my headset back on | 00:15 |
| Atari-Frosch | debdog: Got it! https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/10/msg00286.html the line with include/image does the trick. | 00:24 |
| debdog | ok, that was dumb by myself. should have thought of /etc, too :D | 00:30 |
| Atari-Frosch | :-) | 00:31 |
| SkaFan | hi folks, can anyone tell me what is the best way to compile a new kernel on devuan? | 01:37 |
| gnarface | SkaFan: not different from Debian in any way | 01:37 |
| gnarface | SkaFan: (but if all you need is a newer version to use with ascii, save yourself the trouble and try the one in ascii-backports first) | 01:38 |
| SkaFan | hmm i tired on debian some time ago... cp .config then "yes "" | make oldconfig" that worked | 01:40 |
| SkaFan | but on devuan i get an error | 01:40 |
| SkaFan | no rule to do oldconfig | 01:40 |
| gnarface | SkaFan: hmm, i thought oldconfig should still work. you actually supplied a .config right? the packaged configs should be in /boot/ | 01:49 |
| gnarface | SkaFan: if that still doesn't work, try just using menuconfig and loading the old config manually through the interface there | 01:50 |
| SkaFan | im just resetting my VM and start over new | 01:50 |
| SkaFan | oh btw.. is there anything i must pay attetion to with init vs. the new debian system? i think not, right? | 01:52 |
| gnarface | i'm not quite sure what you're asking | 01:52 |
| gnarface | Devuan defaults to sysvinit, which also used to be the Debian default in wheezy and earlier | 01:53 |
| SkaFan | devuan is using init v, and new debian systemd | 01:53 |
| SkaFan | when i compile a new kernel is there anythink i must do not to run into trouble | 01:53 |
| gnarface | right. sysvinit won't be anything even remotely like systemd, and a lot of what you know about systemd will be fundamentally harmful to your understanding of it. (they designed it that way on purpose) the best thing you could do is just forget all of it and read up some old wiki entries about Wheezy | 01:53 |
| gnarface | none of that should affect the kernel built process but honestly i don't know that for sure | 01:54 |
| SkaFan | ok ill just try in VM before I do it on my storage system | 01:54 |
| SkaFan | systemd is the reason why I wanna use Devuan | 01:55 |
| gnarface | that's probably safe. even a chroot would probably be fine though for this. VM might be overkill | 01:55 |
| SkaFan | they even killed rc.local... all i learned about linux is kindo useless now :( | 01:55 |
| gnarface | oh, well maybe you're better off then | 01:56 |
| gnarface | afaik Devuan should still have rc.local in the "initscripts" package | 01:56 |
| SkaFan | bee sometimes i wanna just wanna use MS-DOS again... | 01:56 |
| gnarface | what year did you start using Linux? | 01:57 |
| SkaFan | yes, rc.local works on devuan | 01:57 |
| SkaFan | year? i dont know | 01:57 |
| gnarface | well, nevermind. it's not important. | 01:57 |
| SkaFan | was on SuSE 8.0 | 01:57 |
| gnarface | FreeDOS is a good choice as a substitute for MS-DOS, but honestly dosbox is so good now that with some hand configuration it's usually a fine substitute as well, plus won't require a reboot. | 01:58 |
| SkaFan | and 2007 I made my LPIC-1, but kernel and compiling was never my thing | 01:58 |
| SkaFan | well something tells me freedos wont work with RAID-6 and Samba :-) | 01:58 |
| gnarface | heh, yea dosbox would be a better choice for that probably | 01:59 |
| SkaFan | all i wnat here is some easy storage and file access to windows | 01:59 |
| gnarface | ok, so 2007 is not exactly yesterday. i think if you put a good couple weeks into learning this process to the point your comfortable repeating it without assistance, you'll be happy again. as happy as you were with MS-DOS, maybe more. | 02:00 |
| gnarface | and we can help you here if you're patient | 02:01 |
| gnarface | nothing you've mentioned seems like a tall order | 02:01 |
| gnarface | Samba won't be fun to configure but you'll live | 02:01 |
| SkaFan | guess best would me linux from scatch... but just for stoage... overkill | 02:01 |
| SkaFan | im happy with samba now the way i set it up | 02:02 |
| gnarface | well, if you want "linux from scratch" like control without the effort level, you can do a minimal install by just not selecting anything at the "tasksel" stage of the installer (or just using debootstrap instead) | 02:03 |
| SkaFan | im going with minimal-install all the time | 02:03 |
| SkaFan | at least here at home... got some servers runing, there i use debian for virtualbox and on vbox still ubuntu | 02:04 |
| SkaFan | but only becose virtualmin wont work on devuan... im just to lazy to do all the web setup and user by hand | 02:05 |
| SkaFan | btw.. kernel compiles now... guess i just missed some packages i needed | 02:07 |
| gnarface | well, i'm glad you got it figured out. enjoy your Devuan | 02:09 |
| SkaFan | only until i get into new problems LOL | 02:10 |
| SkaFan | lol | 02:14 |
| SkaFan | kernel compiling just stoped... ran out of HDD space | 02:14 |
| SkaFan | omg 9GB.. crazy | 02:14 |
| Tenkawa | SkaFan: which kernel you trying to compile? | 02:18 |
| gnarface | 9GB does seem like a bit much. i think mine take like 2-3GB? | 02:19 |
| Tenkawa | noe of mine are anywhere near that big | 02:19 |
| SkaFan | it just needed the space while compiling | 02:19 |
| Tenkawa | yeah | 02:19 |
| Tenkawa | thats what I mean too | 02:20 |
| Tenkawa | thats still not right | 02:20 |
| gnarface | SkaFan: you building for multiple architectures at once maybe, or something like that? | 02:20 |
| Tenkawa | unless you have a file based swap and its running your fs out | 02:20 |
| gnarface | oh, yea expanding swap file could be an issue too | 02:21 |
| gnarface | or if you mean 9GB for the whole system, including a heavy desktop like KDE, plus build deps for all of it, maybe... | 02:21 |
| SkaFan | i tried on ubuntu some while ago... i needed lot of space there too | 02:21 |
| Tenkawa | my curent 5.5.13 build only takes up 2843M | 02:21 |
| gnarface | yea that sounds more reasonable^ | 02:22 |
| * Tenkawa counts up how many modules in that build | 02:22 | |
| gnarface | i think the OpenBSD kernel build uses a similar amount of space | 02:22 |
| SkaFan | it creaded me a 4GB+ deb file i even did not needed | 02:22 |
| SkaFan | some debug stuff | 02:22 |
| gnarface | haha 4gb deb | 02:22 |
| SkaFan | my 1st linux try was on 14 3,5" disks LOL | 02:23 |
| gnarface | that package should be a couple dozen MB at the most. something with your build process is whack. | 02:23 |
| SkaFan | try copy 4GB form floppy... | 02:23 |
| Tenkawa | that was with 6514 modules btw | 02:23 |
| SkaFan | na the real kernel deb was ok... it was just the debug stuff | 02:24 |
| Tenkawa | SkaFan: yep.. good ole slackware | 02:24 |
| SkaFan | dont know that is was... just a big hanbook SysV or somethink and some disks | 02:24 |
| Tenkawa | awwwww | 02:25 |
| SkaFan | didnt even got it to work... | 02:25 |
| SkaFan | you needed a PhD. for installing Linux at that time | 02:25 |
| Tenkawa | slackware.. the ultimate linux on floppy | 02:25 |
| Tenkawa | lol | 02:25 |
| Tenkawa | (back then) | 02:26 |
| SkaFan | was in the time when you had 3 different CD-ROM controllers on your sound blaster | 02:26 |
| Tenkawa | sound blaster??? that wasnt even around yet... adlib ftw | 02:27 |
| SkaFan | hmm was a gamer i was lucky with SB pro then... | 02:27 |
| Tenkawa | nod | 02:28 |
| * Tenkawa started a bit earlier | 02:28 | |
| SkaFan | remeber... it was bevor the internet... so no really help if you could not get it to work on your own | 02:28 |
| SkaFan | my 1st PC was a 286... 40MB HDD... MB not GB | 02:29 |
| Tenkawa | trs-80.. 1979 | 02:29 |
| SkaFan | MS DOS 3.3 could only make use of 30MB per partition | 02:30 |
| SkaFan | damm was i lukcy then i could created another drive D with 7MB | 02:30 |
| SkaFan | are you guys using devuan on desktops? | 02:31 |
| Tenkawa | define desktop | 02:32 |
| SkaFan | working everyday PC | 02:32 |
| Tenkawa | yep | 02:32 |
| Tenkawa | this one | 02:32 |
| SkaFan | i just cant get some hardware to run... so desktop is still windows... | 02:33 |
| Tenkawa | 16 core nvidia hp laptop | 02:33 |
| Tenkawa | all of the hardware rus great | 02:34 |
| Tenkawa | what are you having problems with? | 02:34 |
| SkaFan | fingerprint reader wont work under Linux here and the Logitech G19 LED Display... could it never ever get to work i way i wanted | 02:34 |
| Tenkawa | the g19 can definitely be done | 02:35 |
| SkaFan | its an AuthenTec reader... it can read fingerprints but seems like it cant compare it if you want to login | 02:36 |
| Tenkawa | fingerprint reader I'd have to know more details on its hardware | 02:36 |
| Tenkawa | looks like there's been some debian movement that could be migrated | 02:38 |
| SkaFan | as far as i could understand the bug reports they chnaged a chip in it and oyu would have needed to run a patch and compile it on your own | 02:38 |
| Tenkawa | yes... | 02:38 |
| Tenkawa | that happens a lot | 02:39 |
| SkaFan | well that is what keeps me from chaning to linux on the desktop | 02:39 |
| SkaFan | the servers i run work all headless... no problem there | 02:39 |
| SkaFan | but as soon as i use a window desktop enviroment... | 02:40 |
| * Tenkawa is a dev geek.. its what he enjoys , compile compile compile | 02:40 | |
| SkaFan | well why dont you come around and fix my desktop... ill make you some coffee and cold cheese pizza LOL | 02:41 |
| Tenkawa | heheheh | 02:41 |
| Tenkawa | you guys not under lockdown? | 02:42 |
| SkaFan | kinda | 02:42 |
| SkaFan | we can still go to work | 02:42 |
| Tenkawa | we are majorly | 02:42 |
| SkaFan | shopping | 02:42 |
| Tenkawa | shopping and medical is about iit here | 02:42 |
| SkaFan | if you can find toilet paper... all people going crazy | 02:42 |
| SkaFan | where r u form? im from Lower-Saxony, Germany | 02:43 |
| Tenkawa | job has to be like food service and critical employees | 02:43 |
| Tenkawa | ohio usa | 02:43 |
| SkaFan | work is still going | 02:43 |
| golinux | This is getting really OT. Would be better to take it to #debianfork | 02:43 |
| Tenkawa | sorry | 02:43 |
| Unit193 | Ohio. \o/ | 02:44 |
| SkaFan | what? you cant chat in a chat? | 02:44 |
| SkaFan | LOL | 02:44 |
| golinux | NP. It's easy to get carried away in a support channel with social stuff. | 02:44 |
| golinux | SkaFan: The BS channel is #debianfork. LOL! | 02:45 |
| golinux | Have fun there! | 02:45 |
| Tenkawa | golinux: to be fair the topic should really reflect that | 02:45 |
| Tenkawa | or chanserv message | 02:45 |
| golinux | I have no admin access on irc | 02:46 |
| Tenkawa | I'm just saying... | 02:47 |
| golinux | so can't change the header. The purpose of various channels is noted elsewhere like the website | 02:47 |
| golinux | I don't disagree | 02:47 |
| golinux | https://beta.devuan.org/os/community | 02:48 |
| Tenkawa | its also not listed either | 02:48 |
| golinux | What isn't? | 02:49 |
| Tenkawa | Channel rules link should be in the toopic | 02:49 |
| Tenkawa | that link you just posted | 02:49 |
| golinux | You are beating a dead horse | 02:49 |
| Tenkawa | Well... its still relevant apparently | 02:49 |
| golinux | I don't understand that last bit. | 02:50 |
| tponaf | 14 | 06:29 |
| tuxd3v | tponaf, 15 | 06:29 |
| golinux | 28 | 06:29 |
| tuxd3v | 30 | 06:29 |
| golinux | 56 | 06:29 |
| DonkeyHotei | 3.14 | 06:29 |
| golinux | 16 | 06:30 |
| golinux | iirc | 06:30 |
| tponaf | morning! :) | 06:30 |
| tponaf | "it is really hard to not touch ones face when im constantly facepalming from watching the news" <- :) | 06:30 |
| golinux | Almost midnight | 06:30 |
| yeti | 133\355 | 06:30 |
| golinux | Enough silliness. I'm OT! | 06:30 |
| yeti | silly? me? | 06:31 |
| yeti | nah | 06:31 |
| yeti | just a typo | 06:31 |
| yeti | 113\355 | 06:31 |
| yeti | would it be | 06:31 |
| yeti | 113\355 = 355/113 ~ pi | 06:32 |
| DonkeyHotei | 22/7 | 06:32 |
| yeti | $ dv -e '8k 355 113 / f' | 06:33 |
| yeti | sh: 1: dv: not found | 06:33 |
| yeti | meh! | 06:33 |
| yeti | $ dc -e '8k 355 113 / f' | 06:33 |
| yeti | 3.14159292 | 06:33 |
| yeti | $ dc -e '8k 22 7 / f' | 06:33 |
| yeti | 3.14285714 | 06:33 |
| yeti | the better one even is easier to remember | 06:33 |
| al3xus | Hi. Is it all right with the dng mailing-list? The last message seems to be of 2020-04-01 09:07 +200... And that sounds strange... | 12:01 |
| tponaf | my new switches are small enough to fit :) http://0x0.st/iuXY.jpg | 13:06 |
| debdog | what does it turn NO? | 13:10 |
| djph | yeah, I didn't see anything new this morning al3xus | 13:10 |
| al3xus | djph: no messages for over 48 hours... (and I have sent one about 1-2 hours ago...) | 13:14 |
| djph | hm thought I saw some stuff come through yesterday | 13:15 |
| al3xus | newest msgs: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/dng@20380101.000000.00000000.en.html | 13:18 |
| al3xus | the last one is of 2020-04-01 09:07 ... | 13:18 |
| ShorTie | trying making a 'testing' message, this is a test, only a test to see if workin | 13:28 |
| ejr | is there a way to permanently sed LID status to disabled in /proc/acpi/wakeup? when I do echo disabled>/proc/acpi/wakeup it only sets it for a session | 14:55 |
| ErRandir | could put it in /etc/rc.local | 15:08 |
| ejr | you mean the line 'echo LID>/proc/acpi/wakeup'? (it's actually echo LID, not actually disabled as I wrote above) | 15:15 |
| ErRandir | yes, that line. Or whatever you need doing at boot time | 15:53 |
| ejr | ok, thanks | 16:06 |
| meep_____ | tponaf: why is there so much rf shielding in yourr phone? | 17:14 |
| tponaf | idunno | 17:15 |
| meep_____ | What does the switch do | 17:15 |
| meep_____ | Ground ant | 17:15 |
| tponaf | bridges or cuts connect to + on battery | 17:15 |
| golinux | What does phone shielding have to do with Devuan support? | 17:23 |
| golinux | #debianfork would be better. | 17:24 |
| mason | MinceR: You rock. Thank you. | 18:18 |
| MinceR | np | 18:18 |
| mason | golinux: ^ \o/ | 18:19 |
| golinux | MinceR: My hero!! | 18:25 |
| MinceR | lol | 18:25 |
| golinux | Thanks for doing that | 18:25 |
| MinceR | np | 18:26 |
| furrywolf | hero worship is offtopic. :P | 18:26 |
| MinceR | :> | 18:26 |
| tponaf | cafk | 18:37 |
| Atari-Frosch | There is no chance of getting Devuan for the PowerPC architecture, right? Asking for a friend, who is looking for an alternative for Debian. | 20:42 |
| golinux | Atari-Frosch: There is a PowerPC mini.iso | 20:48 |
| Atari-Frosch | Oh? | 20:49 |
| golinux | I need to find the url | 20:49 |
| Atari-Frosch | Knowing that it is there I can go find it myself, thank you. | 20:49 |
| golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-<ARCH>/current/images/ | 20:50 |
| Atari-Frosch | thx | 20:52 |
| Atari-Frosch | golinux: I'll pass that through to him :-) | 20:54 |
| golinux | Hope it works out | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | Atari-Frosch, replace <ARCH> with ppc64el | 21:06 |
| Atari-Frosch | fsmithred: Thank you. :-) | 21:07 |
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