libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2020-04-05

g4570n!ping01:26
infobot1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss01:26
tponafnsg01:46
stovepipelocate locale02:37
stovepipeoop02:37
stovepipenot even sure why i typed that, i was supposed to be searching this window to see if anyone was talking abou tit02:38
stovepipegot an error while updating02:38
stovepipehttps://pastebin.com/Nf8aJ81X02:43
tponafstovepipe maybe set your LC_ALL to equal $LANG02:46
tponafi don't remember the difference02:46
stovepipethe locale command also errors02:47
stovepipeyeah but this is with a default install though02:47
stovepipeinstaller didnt set it right02:48
tponafdpkg-reconfigure locales will allow you to select and reset your locale environment variables02:48
tponafi'm using en_DK.UTF-8 for 24h timezone02:48
stovepipei know i can fix it, but it needs to be fixed in the installer02:49
stovepipehttps://pastebin.com/gta4jjzg02:50
tponafi'd be happy if you would fix it stovepipe02:53
stovepipeheh i'm not in charge of any of that02:53
stovepipealso grub still says debian02:54
tuxd3vhello all, I have installed manually the Nvidia driver '390.87', but I know that on 418.X there are better thermal handling, and performance for my gtx1060 6GB, so the backports have '418.74-1~bpo9+1' :)05:04
tuxd3vmy question is that if anybody already installed the ascii-backports version on ascii? :)05:05
tuxd3vin the past I had never installed a graphics driver for nvidia from a repo, I don't know what I should install first..05:06
tuxd3vI usually compile the module manually in init 105:06
gnarfacetuxd3v: works for me.  make sure to get the kernel from backports too though.  (fyi i couldn't prove the 390.xx driver works at all for the 1060 i have here)05:16
tuxd3vgnarface, thanks05:17
tuxd3vDoes I need to get the headers of the backports kernel? what do you think?05:17
gnarfacetuxd3v: yes, you need them for nvidia's official drivers (the blob is put in a wrapper that's compiled on-the-fly at install time by dkms for your individual kernel)05:21
gnarfacei think it might even it still say it tries to download a copy from their server first, but i think they also stopped stocking them decades ago.  i've literally never seen it successfully find one anyway.05:22
tuxd3vgnarface, yeah, at least to install manually its via dkms and the headers are needed..05:23
tuxd3vthanks05:23
tuxd3vI will unistall the manual version I have , and then install the nvidia one05:24
tuxd3vI am idling at 12W of power with 390.xx series05:24
tuxd3vand I know I can achieve 6,7,8 with a more recent driver05:24
tuxd3vin standby05:24
tuxd3vI am refering to power consumption( watts ), sorry :)05:25
tuxd3vbut its not only that, 390 only alows me to gave cuda toolkit 7.5 I believe05:25
tuxd3vand I want at least cuda 9-1005:25
tuxd3vgave -> have05:26
gnarfacetuxd3v: my testing hasn't been extensive.  the major features all seem to work but i just noticed sleep may not be reliable.05:32
tuxd3vgnarface, when you do a 'nvidia-smi'05:35
tuxd3vwhat is the wattage of your 1060?05:35
tuxd3vthanks in advance05:36
gnarfacetuxd3v: uh, i think i was avoiding installing that package for a reason.  is there any other way to check?05:40
gnarfacemaybe the value is exposed in /sys somewhere?05:42
tuxd3vho.. I see maybe it doesn't provide nvidia-smi..05:42
tuxd3vyeah it showl be05:43
tuxd3vlet me chak if I find it :)05:43
gnarfaceyea, nvidia-smi isn't actually one isn't one of the required packages, it'll upgrade it if you already installed it but nothing actually depends on it05:43
tuxd3vnope, the unique things I have found is:05:53
tuxd3vcat /proc/driver/nvidia/gpus/0000:04:00.0/information05:53
tuxd3vbt doesn't give me any info about power05:53
tuxd3vnvidia-smi could do queries to the graphics directly05:54
tuxd3vthe most probable05:54
tuxd3vto install a cups server for a HP printer, I need to install cups, but I see a ton of dependencies..05:56
tuxd3vI am scared hehe..05:56
tuxd3vcan I just install 'cups-core-drivers' ?05:57
tuxd3v'cups-server-common' I mean05:57
tuxd3vbecause it tries to install clients and so on..05:58
gnarfacedid you try it with --no-install-recommends?06:03
tuxd3vto be honest I don't :(06:04
gnarfacethat might cut down on the extra packages a bit06:04
tuxd3vbut I believe I have it somewere configured in apt06:04
tuxd3vyeah they are a lot almost 60MB do download06:05
tuxd3vand another thing.. I have a kernel 5.4 ina rpi1, to install cups, apt says that I need to have linux-libc-dev from the repo.. why?06:06
tuxd3vI installed mine06:06
tuxd3vbut it refuses so I installed the 4.19 version from devuan06:06
tuxd3vbut later I will try to force my 5.4 version :)06:07
gnarfacehmm.  some of the printer drivers may need to be built on the fly? i can only speculate.  printing is linked to a lot of different programs06:07
tuxd3vthe rpi1 is armel, and my kernel is armhf( to take advantage of the fpu in the processor ).06:07
tuxd3vit could be06:08
gnarfaceanyone know if suspend/hibernate buttons are always greyed out on ascii lightdm greeters, or if there's just some other package i'm missing...?06:10
tuxd3vgnarface, I use slim, I don't have lightdm :(06:33
tuxd3vbut in xfce, I see all options availlable06:33
tuxd3vwhe I hit logout06:33
gnarfacetuxd3v: and still works with the backports kernel?06:35
gnarfacekdm's logout screen suspend button works, but for some reason the lightdm ones are greyed out no matter which greeter i use..06:35
gnarfacei think that supports my missing packages theory too though06:36
tuxd3vgnarface, I haven't yet installed it, I am still trying to solve my own mess :S06:37
gnarfacealright06:37
gnarfacei'll let you know if i figure it out06:37
tuxd3vI created a lot of firewall rules so that the router will be unable to see some devices..06:37
tuxd3vbut now I am paying the price has my own dns server doesn't work too :(06:37
tuxd3vSo i came to install cups, and detected that my rules.. are not yet there :(06:38
tuxd3vtomorrow will go ahead with the driver :)06:38
tuxd3vat least I will try06:38
tponafso a couple years iptables under debian changed06:40
tponafand i still haven't figured out what they changed06:40
tponafis there a transitioning to the new iptables world writeup somewhere06:40
tuxd3vtponaf, yeah, and now chamged again..06:59
tuxd3v*changed06:59
tponafthat's some annoying "pay attention to meee" development imo07:00
tuxd3vdamm my printer is without ink.. I suspect that something bad will haven to me today hehehe..07:00
tuxd3vI can't add it via cups07:00
tuxd3vit gives me error07:00
tuxd3vI only want to configure it, not to use it..07:00
tponafcause i don't see a justification to break scripts, helper programs and experience of tens of thousands of iptables users07:01
tuxd3vHP always scrambling..07:01
tuxd3vtponaf, yeah, but only because of some gains in a small part of it, they are changing it completly, new syntax and so on... it goes systemd way07:02
tuxd3vone of this days, bsd will be the best option heheh07:02
tuxd3vnow just imagine.. the zillion lines of iptables that is running out there07:03
tuxd3vwhat will people do?07:03
tuxd3vin my opinion, you will try to maintain the most you can in iptables07:04
tuxd3vbut some day will arise that, you will need to migrate..07:04
tuxd3vthe new syntax is very weird, in my personal opinion, but they say  that "..its a charm.."07:05
tuxd3vthey renamed it..07:08
tuxd3vhttps://www.netfilter.org/projects/nftables/index.html07:08
tuxd3vnow you will be doing rules in json format07:08
tuxd3vsome of this days, you will be designing your firewall rules in json format07:09
tponafthere is a legacy iptables still?07:17
tuxd3vtponaf, dor now yes07:31
tuxd3vdor -> for07:31
tponafwhat's your pick for lowest power mp3 player13:41
aitorhi14:06
Guest43256i've just announced the packages of simple-netaid in the mailing list14:08
Guest43256i'll be back shortly14:08
Bjorn--I've just installed a fresh copy of ascii 2.1 with cinnamon desktop, I'm getting a message on startup about software rendering. Which I understand is commonly a hardware limitation14:47
Bjorn--https://pastebin.com/ZW7CtgcH14:47
tponafdon't use things requiring gpu by default14:47
Bjorn--my question is, is this just a hardware issue that cannot be overcome14:48
tponafGPU driver support is not something that can be guaranteed to work out-of-the-box for all hardware Bjorn--14:51
tponafa gpu is 'bling' and people who write things that require it for no reason are doing the devil's work14:51
tponafit is possible 'cinnamon desktop' is such software. i don't know it.14:52
Bjorn--I've read that cinnamon requires hardware acceleration to be efficient. I just don't know if I have it or not14:54
Bjorn--I did some preliminary grabs on my setup but I can't tell from it14:54
aitorhi again15:39
fsmithredBjorn--, is firmware-amd-graphics installed? You need to have non-free enabled in sources.list to get it.15:49
Bjorn--non-free seems to be in the standard install now fsmithred15:54
fsmithredok, I don't have any other ideas right now15:54
Bjorn--well, I mean the sources.list contains it15:54
fsmithreddpkg -l |grep firmware15:55
Bjorn--that shows the realtek firmware, nothing graphics related, or is it?15:56
fsmithrednope. That's network.15:56
fsmithredapt install firmware-amd-graphics15:56
fsmithredthen restart the desktop15:56
Bjorn--ahh. awesome. I will try that. thanks fsmithred15:57
fsmithredyw15:57
fsmithredBjorn--, did you use a network mirror during the install?15:58
Bjorn--I used the netinsall, I'm not sure which mirror I used now15:59
fsmithredshouldn't matter - they should all act the same. I was just wondering if that one gets installed automatically or not.16:00
fsmithredmost of the wireless firmware should get installed auto if you have the hardware that needs it.16:00
Bjorn--yes, well, I've had trouble with the wifi for years on this box, the realtek, I have one of the models that wouldn't work until recently I think16:01
Bjorn--There is a git project project that had some success with it, I had been using the wifi for about a month but performance was horrible16:02
Bjorn--I just booted back in, no warning box. Looks like things are good fsmithred, I'm gonna take a look at whats different now.16:48
fsmithredcool16:48
Bjorn--well, this is a good day. I've been running devuan on a usb for a couple years now. Now it's on my box and running much faster17:13
fonkyhey all21:06
tponafhi21:06
fonkyhey tponaf, how is it going?21:07
tponafok.  bread turned out good. gardening didn't work out. doing some work for maemo-leste atm21:08
tponafyou know any devs for irc clients fonky ?21:08
Guest69154hey21:11
tponafehu21:12
golinuxPlease take non-support chat to #debianfork21:13
fonkyno not really21:17
fonkywhich client in particular21:18
divansantanahow can one get a more up to date version on youtube-dl on devuan?22:27
divansantanaI have this version: 2017.05.18.122:27
divansantanaI see, it doesn't just use backports, one needs to install explicitly from there.22:28
Xenguydivansantana: I ended up installing it from outside the devuan repo, to get a more up-to-date install...22:29
XenguyThen I could use the -U flag (doing by memory there) to update to the latest version22:30
Guest69154divanantana: curl https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl -o /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl22:30
XenguyWhenever necessary22:30
Xenguy*going by memory22:30
Guest69154*divansantana*22:30
golinuxHi aitor!22:37
Guest69154Hi golinux23:30
Guest69154i was writting some emails23:30
Guest69154bbl23:36

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