ilia | Hello, I get problems with Bluman at Devuan 3 | 09:53 |
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meep_____ | Disease | 09:55 |
ilia | am I not the only one? | 09:56 |
Licencode | In the future, blueman will be available at Devuan 3 | 10:08 |
systemdlete | When I attempt to install xfswitch-plugin, it wants to haul in almost 200 packages! | 10:23 |
systemdlete | (xfce4 is already installed and working fine for montns) | 10:23 |
systemdlete | including avahi! | 10:24 |
systemdlete | is there a better way to support switching users from the desktop? On other distros, I vaguely recall being able to select "Log Out" and getting a dialog, and one of the options is switch user. But I forget which DE that was or which distro(s). | 10:25 |
systemdlete | ah. xfce action buttons. But the switch user item is disabled... | 10:56 |
systemdlete | with zenity and dm-tool, I am slowly creating my own simple 2 or 3 liner to switch users without having to install all of gnomedom | 11:41 |
rad_ | Hi. Seems like the Chromium in the repos is old a bit buggy. Has anyone gotten newer version of it running? Or should install the spyware version from google? :-P | 11:55 |
gnarface | check to see if there is a newer one in backports | 11:56 |
rad_ | I've added the repo but Synaptic shows only two available versions, the stardard one and one from the "security" repo/namespace/whatyoucallit. | 11:57 |
xinomilo | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=chromium | 11:57 |
rad_ | I have the one from security, which the latest of the two. | 11:57 |
xinomilo | you could upgrade to beowulf... | 11:57 |
rad_ | [ascii-security] chromium-73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1 | 11:57 |
rad_ | I think that's the one I have. | 11:57 |
rad_ | oh beowulf has v80. | 11:58 |
rad_ | yeah maybe I'll try beowulf in the weekend then. I'll be doing a full backup so I can play around. I'm planning to see if FreeBSD runs on my laptop as well, so I can also play with other Devual versions. I'm thinking of going back to an XFCE install, I'm not very happy with MATE on Devuan. XFCE seemed to be working better. | 12:01 |
xinomilo | MATE from beowulf or ceres, runs much better | 12:02 |
rad_ | It runs fine on ascii, in fact some bugs that exist on a newer MATE version on Linux Mint don't exist on this version on ascii. But like half the settings in the control center don't work! Mouse acceleration doesn't work (fixed that with your help here some weeks ago), subpixel smoothing doesn't work. And I think some other things behave as if they don't change anything. | 12:04 |
rad_ | XFCE also had issues with configuring mouse speed (but I know how to fix that now) but subpixel smoothing worked perfectly. | 12:05 |
rad_ | Also something unrelated, when I installed with the GUI installer of ascii, I was able to do full disk encryption, INCLUDING the boot partition (well boot and / was the same partition). | 12:06 |
rad_ | I didn't even know this was possible on linux. It was asking for password twice but I liked the idea of having no unencrypted partitions. I wasn't able to do the same with the netinst though. I went for the usual encrypted / unencryped /boot. | 12:07 |
rad_ | xinomilo, do you speak greek? | 12:26 |
xinomilo | ναι | 12:27 |
rad_ | και εγώ. :-) | 12:27 |
xinomilo | παιζει να ναι και αλλ@ απο ελλαδισταν, αλλα ας μη σπαμαρουμε.. :) | 12:28 |
rad_ | ok. | 12:28 |
xinomilo | οχι σε αυτο το καναλι τουλαχιστον... :) | 12:32 |
systemdlete | My user switcher is working, and I think it is pretty generic. Just had to create a button for the script and pick an appropriate icon for it. http://paste.debian.net/1146690/ | 12:58 |
systemdlete | It can probably use more refinements, but it works well enough for me. | 12:58 |
systemdlete | There's probably umpteen better ways to do it, I admit. | 12:59 |
fsmithred | systemdlete, I downloaded the debs for fwts(for 18.0?) and they install and run in beowulf with stock kernel. I did this in a booted live-iso in qemu. It seemed to all work ok, but no guarantees. (dpkg -i *.deb a couple of times, then apt-get -f install - or use gdebi) | 14:26 |
fsmithred | or you could look at the git source and figure out what actual tests they're using. A lot of them are probably in the repo or installed already. | 14:27 |
fsmithred | oh, this is an installed system in a VM, not a live-iso. | 14:31 |
fsmithred | rad_, only the live installer (refractainstaller) does encryption that includes /boot. | 14:42 |
rad_ | fsmithred, I see. It's a very nice installer then. It seems like a bunch of scripts put together in a list with checkboxes but it's surprisingly capable! I've never seen a distro doing full disk encryption, including /boot. | 15:58 |
fsmithred | glad you like it. :) | 15:58 |
fsmithred | it's one (ugly) script that has grown over the years. | 15:59 |
rad_ | Se regarding beowulf, is it still beta or something? | 16:02 |
rad_ | so* | 16:02 |
rad_ | And if so, how unstable/stable is it for you that have tried it? | 16:02 |
fsmithred | the installation media are all beta | 16:03 |
fsmithred | most people running beowulf report great stability | 16:03 |
fsmithred | (me included) | 16:03 |
rad_ | Does Devuan in general provide an updater or should I just replace my repos and do a dist-upgrade? Actually never mind I'll just try it anyhow. :-P | 16:03 |
fsmithred | are you running ascii? | 16:04 |
rad_ | Yeap. | 16:04 |
fsmithred | if so, see the upgrade guide. | 16:04 |
fsmithred | one sec | 16:04 |
fsmithred | https://beta.devuan.org/os/install | 16:04 |
fsmithred | beta.devuan.org will become devuan.org when beowulf is no longer beta | 16:05 |
fsmithred | rad, what desktop do you use? | 16:06 |
rad_ | So beowulf is based on buster, so when buster becomes stable, beowulf will be stable (and that's what you mean out of beta I assume). And ceres is always based on sid like sid always stays sid? | 16:06 |
rad_ | I'm on MATE right now. | 16:06 |
rad_ | Coming from Linux Mint MATE, I really like MATE. | 16:07 |
fsmithred | Buster became stable about a year ago. We are always behind debian on the release. | 16:07 |
rad_ | Ah that's why Raspbian is based on buster for some time then. | 16:08 |
rad_ | Thank you for the link to the guide btw. It has some extra steps that I didn't think about. :-) | 16:13 |
fsmithred | you can search the forum for upgrade reports | 16:13 |
nemo | hm. I wonder why devuan does not automatically delete the .deb cache when the filesystem runs out of space | 18:46 |
nemo | (when the cache is on the same partition) | 18:46 |
fsmithred | I thought the default was not to save the .debs | 18:51 |
fsmithred | nemo, are you running pure devuan or one of the derivatives. I changed it in Refracta so that the packages are kept. | 18:52 |
bart80 | Hello, iam tring to install Devuan on my X250. Its really not my first Linux installation, but i dont get it running. I tried first the full ISO, copied to an USB stick with dd. When i trie to install in this way, the installer means that he cannot find the cd-rom. Then i tried the live installer. Used GParted to create the msdos partition table | 18:52 |
bart80 | and two partitions. boot and root. when i trie to install grub over the "copy files" function an error occured. secure boot and uefi is off! | 18:52 |
fsmithred | what error, bart80? | 18:53 |
bart80 | :-D Thats exact the problem | 18:53 |
bart80 | i did not found the logfile | 18:53 |
nemo | fsmithred: ummm it was an old ascii install of devuan | 18:53 |
nemo | fsmithred: just noticed it on my dev instance at work that was running out of space | 18:53 |
bart80 | yes ascii | 18:53 |
nemo | fsmithred: had 4 gigs of .debs | 18:53 |
fsmithred | wow | 18:54 |
bart80 | the installer is still running. In /target/home/devuan i found no log | 18:54 |
bart80 | any idea? | 18:54 |
fsmithred | nemo, somewhere in man apt.conf or man apt_preferences you'll find a way to change that | 18:54 |
slvr | what was the dd command used to write the stick? | 18:55 |
fsmithred | bart80, yeah, that's my installer, so I might have lots of ideas | 18:55 |
nemo | fsmithred: kk thx | 18:55 |
bart80 | :-D cool | 18:55 |
bart80 | dd if=ISOFILE of=/dev/sdx status=progress | 18:55 |
fsmithred | dd if=file.iso of=/dev/whatever-but-it-better-be-the-right-one | 18:56 |
bart80 | when this would be wrong i could not write to you ;-) | 18:56 |
slvr | I have had a lot of problems with dd writing into the buffer and not to the stick. | 18:56 |
fsmithred | bart80, open another terminal and read /var/log/refractainstaller | 18:56 |
slvr | try conv=sync | 18:56 |
fsmithred | when dd is done writing, run sync | 18:57 |
slvr | also wipe the stick completely before writing to it. old partition tables at the end of the disk could cause problems. | 18:57 |
fsmithred | bart80, go right to the end of the log for the grub errors | 18:57 |
slvr | Additionally, I like to wipe the stick in a different machine, or at the very least remove and plug the stick back in after a wipe to force the partition table for the device to be re-probed. | 18:58 |
fsmithred | or run partprobe after writing partitions | 18:59 |
bart80 | (yad:4742): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion 'tag > 0' failed+ install_part=/dev/mapper/root_fs+ [[ '' != \y\e\s ]]+ mke2fs -t ext4 /dev/mapper/root_fsmke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017)+ mount /dev/mapper/root_fs /target+ check_exit+ exit_code=0+ [[ 0 -ne 0 ]]+ [[ -n '' ]]+ [[ -n /dev/sda1 ]]+ mkdir /target_boot+ check_exit+ exit_code=0+ [[ 0 | 18:59 |
bart80 | -ne 0 ]]+ [[ '' != \y\e\s ]]+ mke2fs -t ext4 /dev/sda1mke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017)+ mount /dev/sda1 /target_boot+ sep_boot_opt='--exclude=/boot/*'+ tee /dev/fd/63++ yad --progress --pulsate --width=350 --auto-close '--title=Copying system to new partition.'+ rsync -av / /target/ '--filter=P lost+found' '--filter=H lost+found' | 18:59 |
bart80 | --exclude-from=/usr/lib/refractainstaller/installer_exclude.list '--exclude=/boot/*' --delete-before --delete-excludedtee: 'standard output': Resource temporarily unavailable | 18:59 |
iv4nshm4k0v | Or partx(8). | 18:59 |
bart80 | last entry in log | 18:59 |
fsmithred | yikes | 18:59 |
slvr | that works usually but partprobe often fails for me. | 18:59 |
fsmithred | careful bart80 we have a sentry bot | 18:59 |
slvr | tldr I no longer trust it | 18:59 |
fsmithred | slvr, you don't need to read what bart posted - that's for me | 19:00 |
slvr | no worries. Looks like regex soup. | 19:01 |
fsmithred | more like set -x soup | 19:01 |
slvr | delicious | 19:01 |
bart80 | partprobe give me errors, but not on the install device. Only on the usb stick ... | 19:02 |
slvr | yeah, once it gets in a bad state, it's best to just no longer rely on it, in my experience. | 19:03 |
slvr | Do the wipe, unplug/replug, confirm it is wiped, and then write with dd if=image of=device status=progress conv=sync bs=1M | 19:04 |
slvr | That works well on my beowulf desktop that is pesky with usb image writes. | 19:04 |
slvr | I think my problems might be related to filesystems on the stick being automounted. running umount on them doesn't seem to always be enough to make the disk free for an image write. I wish I knew why. | 19:05 |
bart80 | sorry, i was in the wrong logfile. Last error message was from /target ... | 19:09 |
bart80 | here from /var/log... | 19:09 |
bart80 | Continue: will proceed whether or not you have installed a bootloader. If not,you will need to have another way to boot this installation.Abort: will exit the installer and abort the installation.' '--button=Copy files:4' --button=Abort:2 --button=Chroot:1 --button=Continue:0+ answer=4+ [[ 4 = 1 ]]+ [[ 4 = 2 ]]+ [[ 4 = 3 ]]+ [[ 4 = 4 ]]+ | 19:09 |
bart80 | copy_grub_packages+ find '' -maxdepth 1 -name 'grub-pc*.deb' -exec cp '{}' /target ';'find: ‘’: No such file or directory+ [[ -n grub-pc*.deb ]]+ chroot /target /bin/bash -c 'dpkg -i grub-pc*.deb'[1mdpkg:[0m considering removing grub-efi-amd64 in favour of grub-pc ...[1mdpkg:[0m yes, will remove grub-efi-amd64 in favour of grub-pcInstalling | 19:09 |
bart80 | for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in file `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in file | 19:09 |
bart80 | `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in file `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in | 19:09 |
bart80 | file `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in file `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' | 19:09 |
bart80 | in file `/etc/default/grub'.+ [[ grub-pc*.deb =~ grub-pc ]]+ grubversion=grub-pc+ [[ grub-pc*.deb =~ grub-efi ]]+ install_grub+ echo 'Setting up grub bootloader.. Please wait..'+ [[ -n /dev/sda1 ]]+ chroot /target mount /dev/sda1 /boot+ [[ -n '' ]]+ [[ '' = \e\f\i ]]+ [[ -n '' ]]+ chroot /target update-grub/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 253: | 19:09 |
bart80 | /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new: Directory nonexistent+ check_exit+ exit_code=2+ [[ 2 -ne 0 ]]+ yad --question --title=Error --window-icon=error --center --borders=10 --button=Continue:0 '--button=Exit now:1' '--text=Error detected: 2 \nSee /var/log/refractainstaller.log for details. \n\nThis may not be fatal.. Press | 19:09 |
bart80 | "Continue" to proceed anyway' | 19:09 |
bart80 | it seems that he can`t handle the encrypted partition | 19:09 |
fsmithred | hang on | 19:10 |
slvr | really should paste this stuff outside the chat and link to it | 19:11 |
fsmithred | you really should paste that stuff somewhere like debian's paste bin | 19:11 |
fsmithred | you might get bounced out of here by the bot | 19:11 |
slvr | antispam | 19:11 |
bart80 | yes, got the warning message | 19:11 |
bart80 | sorry, paste the next somewhere outside | 19:12 |
fsmithred | I read it quickly. You set up a separate partition for /boot, but did you check the box in the options window to use a separate partition for /boot? | 19:12 |
fsmithred | actually, you had to have done that | 19:13 |
bart80 | yes, there was the option create new boot ... i selected it. Then the installer asked for the right partition and i gave him sda1 | 19:14 |
bart80 | sda2 as root | 19:14 |
bart80 | all ext4 | 19:14 |
fsmithred | ok, so right now sda2 should be mounted to /target | 19:15 |
fsmithred | sda1 should be mounted to /target/boot (maybe to /target_boot | 19:15 |
fsmithred | open a terminal and get root | 19:15 |
fsmithred | df -h | 19:16 |
bart80 | still have | 19:16 |
fsmithred | check the mounts for the target system | 19:16 |
bart80 | its over | 19:16 |
fsmithred | ? | 19:16 |
fsmithred | you quit? | 19:17 |
bart80 | pushed the wrong button AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH | 19:17 |
fsmithred | shit | 19:17 |
fsmithred | I hate when I do that | 19:17 |
fsmithred | but it's possible that starting over will be faster | 19:17 |
bart80 | But now i can try it to mount in chroot and install grub manually | 19:17 |
fsmithred | yeah, I was gonna take you there | 19:18 |
fsmithred | bind-mount /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys | 19:18 |
fsmithred | create /run/udev in the target system and bind-mount /run/udev from the host system | 19:18 |
fsmithred | then 'dpkg -i /grub-pc*.deb' | 19:19 |
fsmithred | inside the chroot | 19:19 |
bart80 | ok, thanks for the help! | 19:20 |
fsmithred | yw | 19:20 |
fsmithred | after the installer handles the bootloader, it goes through changing username, hostname and passwords. You can do the same all manually, or you can boot into the new system, drop to console and login as root, kill the display manger and run 'change-username' | 19:28 |
bart80 | ok thx | 19:29 |
mrbitterness | How painless is going from ASCII to beowulf these days? Last time I just let it run I ended up with a busted system | 19:34 |
fsmithred | mrbitterness, check the upgrade guides: https://beta.devuan.org/os/install | 19:38 |
fsmithred | there are a couple of non-intuitive points | 19:39 |
fsmithred | back in a few minutes... | 19:39 |
mrbitterness | Ah, I had only seen the guide from 2018 on the forums | 19:40 |
golinux | mrbitterness: Note to use the beta site is at the top of the index page of the ascii site | 19:52 |
frabbit | hi. apt was vulnearble again... maybe a good reason to reinstall the system... | 23:58 |
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