| some_alex | is there any information on the load that devuan mirrors are faced with? | 00:23 |
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| golinux | https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 00:28 |
| some_alex | golinux: I don't really understand how these tests are relevant to my question. I'm intrested in, e.g., how many times a day a mirror is accessed, how many bytes per day is downloaded from it, etc. | 00:47 |
| golinux | Those are the only mirror stats afaik. It is onefang's baby do maybe ping him. | 00:51 |
| golinux | do >so | 00:51 |
| golinux | I would think that the stats you want would only be available to each individual mirror | 00:52 |
| golinux | But then I don't know that much about how his script works. | 00:53 |
| some_alex | golinux: I see, thanks | 01:10 |
| some_alex | onefang: hi, any chance there are stats for mirrors like how often they are accessed and how much data is downloaded? Do you measure these things on your mirror perhaps? | 01:12 |
| some_alex | also, how much downtime can mirrors afford? and is devuan currently in need of new mirrors? | 01:14 |
| golinux | New mirrors are always welcome. | 01:16 |
| some_alex | golinux: working on the storage problem here at the moment :) | 01:26 |
| onefang | some_alex: As golinux said, the stats you are after are basically each individual mirrors log files, which they don't distribute. I have several things on my mirror server, and I don't log these things separately. I just woke up, I'll point you to my graphs later. | 03:06 |
| Anasko | Any recommendations on GUI for VPN? | 03:33 |
| Anasko | Like, I expect that openconnect command-line will work, but, I would like GUI for that, somewhere around network manager (I am using Wicd at the moment, and it is, strangely enough, duplicate in the tray/panel) | 03:34 |
| some_alex | onefang: is there a way to read messages that are sent when my machine is turned off? Persistent history is the one thing I miss in IRC compared to other "platforms". Do you have a logging bot here by any chance? | 03:38 |
| Anasko | Background option, -b, in openconnect, does help: Now I can be sure that VPN will continue working even if terminal window is closed. | 03:41 |
| golinux | some_alex: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ | 04:00 |
| golinux | It's in the topic for this channel | 04:01 |
| some_alex | golinux: thanks! | 04:03 |
| golinux | You could also set up a znc bouncer if you have a server sitting idle | 04:05 |
| some_alex | golinux: nice, I wasn't aware of such software. I still don't have my setup ready though. I have a real IP address and a machine, but lack storage for it and haven't got to setting up VMs / containers yet. | 04:14 |
| onefang | #devuan-dev is the place to talk to us about new mirrors some_alex. | 04:23 |
| onefang | https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/user:onefang:mirrors is my old write up that covers some of the stats for my mirror. | 04:36 |
| onefang | Note that the configuration info at the end is out of date, and I've since moved house. | 04:40 |
| bufzi | I'm using a beagleboard via uart (buster) | 07:45 |
| bufzi | after migration, serial (login prompt, not boot) is gone | 07:46 |
| bufzi | i know i have to enable serial in inittab | 07:46 |
| bufzi | i wonder if anyone else has come across this | 07:46 |
| bufzi | ah, I got it. looks like this particular arm board uses either ttyS2 or ttyO2 | 07:50 |
| bufzi | though the usb is not detected, now. | 08:22 |
| bufzi | so usb tether fails... | 08:22 |
| bufzi | I should mention I'm halfway through the buster to beowulf migration | 08:28 |
| bufzi | without usb tether, I have no internet to complete upgrade | 08:29 |
| Anasko | bufzi: Sounds terrible. What do you need to get USB to be detected, and USB tether to be working? You might be able to download it manually, and transfer it to the board with a USB stick or memory card? | 09:00 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: So, no luck with Firefox; they're saying I must have PulseAudio working | 11:47 |
| eyalroz | https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugzilla.mozilla.org%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D1638939&data=02%7C01%7Ceyalroz%40ef.technion.ac.il%7C97a2d605866646a307da08d8009020cf%7Cf1502c4cee2e411c9715c855f6753b84%7C1%7C0%7C637259966322764856&sdata=jN0xmzerQHzJKf4hfzHqoldjLrShlQ0zhm9LcuaknDo%3D&reserved=0 | 11:47 |
| eyalroz | Uh, sorry, I meant: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1638939 | 11:48 |
| eyalroz | Anyway, they say it's been a requirement since FF 52. So, it seems that, somehow, FF for Debian or Devuan is build with some sort of magic dust which makes it work without PulseAudio running | 11:48 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, firefox 76.0.1 works with apulse here. Just tested now. | 11:58 |
| fsmithred | note: pulseaudio is not installed. | 11:59 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Really? Hmm. | 12:01 |
| fsmithred | trying it again. First test was a Refracta iso. Second test is Devuan desktop-live | 12:02 |
| fsmithred | with PA | 12:02 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Are those Beowulf or ASCII-based? | 12:02 |
| fsmithred | beowulf | 12:03 |
| fsmithred | which are you on? | 12:03 |
| eyalroz | beowulf... | 12:03 |
| eyalroz | Ha! I just uninstalled pulseaudio, and guess what? | 12:04 |
| eyalroz | FF started working with apulse... | 12:04 |
| fsmithred | wow, I wish I had kept the download. I can't find where to download firefox now. | 12:06 |
| fsmithred | go to same URL gives me something else. | 12:06 |
| fsmithred | cool | 12:06 |
| eyalroz | thanks for all the advice | 12:07 |
| fsmithred | wtf?? You must have noscript working to see the download links on mozilla.com | 12:09 |
| fsmithred | without that, the page is full of junk | 12:09 |
| fsmithred | that's weird that apulse doesn't work if pulseaudio is installed but not running. | 12:16 |
| Hum | fsmithred: Did you download it with FF? Download window, right mouse click, copy Download Link | 12:46 |
| fsmithred | yes, I downloaded it with ff-esr. I couldn't find any download links without blocking all the javascript. | 12:47 |
| fsmithred | they work fine if you can see them | 12:47 |
| gnarface | is anyone using apt-cacher-ng on ascii? | 17:40 |
| gnarface | it seems to work but i'm wondering am i supposed to have added a Remap-* line for devuan? | 17:41 |
| gnarface | oh, maybe it was done already, or maybe it doesn't matter? | 17:48 |
| bufzi | Anasko: I'm looking into this now. | 18:48 |
| bufzi | What reason would there be for usb to not be detected after migration? Is it not the kernel that detects usb? | 18:48 |
| bufzi | The kernel is the same (before/after migration). | 18:48 |
| bufzi | Or is it something to do with the change to eudev... This I'm trying to figure out. | 18:48 |
| bufzi | dmesg is empty, when usb is plugged in. | 18:49 |
| Vall | Hello everyone. Quick question: what is the lightest (less disk space for install + less memory and cpu for running) desktop environment available for Devuan? | 20:11 |
| Vall | (BTW I do not need graphical login -- logging in text mode and running xinit is my preferred way) | 20:11 |
| fylgje | Lxde Fxde or Enlightenment? | 20:15 |
| Vall | fylgje: aren't IceWM and LXQt even smaller? | 20:17 |
| fylgje | I don't know it, i am using Enlightenment | 20:17 |
| Vall | fylgje: I think Enlightment is kinda too big (from my previous, years-ago experience with it) | 20:22 |
| fylgje | it works fine here ... Xfce "for one side" and Enlightenment for the other | 20:25 |
| specing | Vall: Is a full DE necessary? | 20:26 |
| Vall | OK, seems Wikipedia has a comparison including RAM usage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers | 20:26 |
| Vall | specing: not sure, I think not. | 20:26 |
| Vall | According to this Wikipedia page, the lightest commonly-mentioned DE is JWM (only 3MB RAM usage). | 20:27 |
| fylgje | comparacion de entornos de ventana Linux | 20:28 |
| fylgje | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers | 20:28 |
| Vall | fylgje: hablas castellano? ;-) | 20:29 |
| fylgje | si | 20:29 |
| fylgje | creo que el que menos requerimeintos tiene es Enlightenment y esta en los repositorios de Devuan | 20:30 |
| Vall | fylgje: yo tambien ;-) | 20:30 |
| fylgje | (Perdon , en este mismo servidor hay un canal devuan-es | 20:30 |
| Vall | fylgje: no se preocupe ;-) | 20:31 |
| fylgje | en mi caso es el que mejor me ha ido, creo que ocupa poco y funciona para lo que necesito | 20:31 |
| Vall | Anyway, I checked and both jwm and enlightment are in the Devuan repos, and jwm is reportedly smaller in terms of package size: | 20:32 |
| fylgje | ok, so there is the answar to your question :) | 20:32 |
| Vall | apt-cache show jwm enlightenment | 20:34 |
| Vall | Size: 238864 | 20:34 |
| Vall | Size: 2278788 | 20:34 |
| Vall | Ouch | 20:34 |
| Vall | almost 10x larger | 20:35 |
| fylgje | yes, that's right | 20:36 |
| Vall | And the dependency list for jwm is smaller too (20 packages vs 31) | 20:36 |
| Vall | I'm gonna give jwm a spin | 20:36 |
| fylgje | good luck ... :D | 20:37 |
| Vall | thanks fylgje for your input | 20:37 |
| Vall | (gracias por los datos ;-)) | 20:37 |
| fylgje | de nada, you are welcom | 20:38 |
| fylgje | welcome* | 20:38 |
| Vall | Hummrmrmrmr... jwm looks kinda abandoned: last release 3 years ago, and a bunch of open issues on github with no response from the maintainer (last response from the maintainer was over 6 months ago) | 20:49 |
| Vall | perhaps it's not such a great idea | 20:49 |
| Hum | Vall: Have look at http://wikka.puppylinux.com/WindowManagers but Puppy does several things their own way, like browsing as root. But sometimes there are nice hints on small software and some of them is still in active development | 20:51 |
| Hum | Vall: http://wikka.puppylinux.com/SoftwareIndex | 20:52 |
| Vall | Thanks Hum | 20:52 |
| Vall | Did some more digging in the repos and it turns out the venerable FVWM (which I haven't used since 2012, but used extensivelly until then) is available. And a checking on the FVWM wikipedia page and it seems well maintained | 20:56 |
| Vall | And, incredibly enough, its disk footprint is even smaller than jwm | 20:56 |
| Vall | oops, belay that last line | 20:58 |
| Vall | 2550MB for fvwm, vs 239MB for jwm | 20:59 |
| Vall | OK, decided on blackbox: was abandoned but then picked up by a new maintainer (last release 3 months ago, and recent commits and issue responses in his github repo) and uses only 206MB (even less than jwm) | 21:08 |
| Vall | heh, it doesn't list xorg as a dependency ;-) | 21:11 |
| Vall | Perhaps it runs on pure VT100? ;-) | 21:11 |
| MinceR | it probably settles for X running on another host :> | 21:13 |
| fylgje | it comes from Xfree times, not Xorg | 21:15 |
| Vall | Heh xterm actually is larger than blackbox ;-) | 21:19 |
| Vall | (had to install it otherwise nothing could be done -- the default menu on blackbox lists only xterm, restart and exit ;-) | 21:21 |
| Hum | Vall: I used to use icewm for years and I was happy about size and speed. For the last years I use dwm. | 21:45 |
| Vall | Hum: thanks for the feedback. In fact, I just installed blackbox from the repo, and I'm pleasantly surprised: just 30.5MB more memory than before loading it with `startx` (and let's not forget, this includes Xorg and xterm). | 23:22 |
| fylgje | El canal más importante de la comunidad católica española ha entrevistado a los grandes defensores del dióxido de cloro y la curación a través de las plantas, Josep Pámies y Andreas Kalcker. | 23:23 |
| Vall | It's very crude, tho: lou: lousy font on xterm, very basic menus and window decorations. etc. Not a problem for me, tho ;-) | 23:23 |
| fylgje | creo o quiero creer que esta crisis va a destapar mas de una movida mafiosa , tanto de farmafias como de medicos y gobieros (sobre todo ONU, OMS y demas mercenarios) | 23:24 |
| fylgje | Sorry,my mistake | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | fylgje, go away | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | this is a devuan help channel | 23:24 |
| fylgje | yes, i know, my fault | 23:24 |
| fylgje | sorry | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | apology accepted | 23:25 |
| Vall | fsmithred: long time no see ;-) | 23:25 |
| Vall | Glad to see you around | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | hi Vall | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | I'm chained to the desk | 23:25 |
| Vall | Devuan keeps kicking ass here | 23:25 |
| Vall | fsmithred: ditto, total lockout where I am | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | it's been kicking my ass this week | 23:26 |
| Vall | heh | 23:26 |
| Vall | Hard to believe that ;-) | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | ran into a few elusive bugs in the live isos | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | one left | 23:27 |
| Vall | Oh, OK. On the run-up to the Beowulf release, then | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | beowulf itself is in great shape. I've been running it since beginning of this year. | 23:28 |
| Vall | BTW, thank you and the other devs for Beowulf. I upgraded from ASCII via `apt-get distupgrade` and it just works, and works wonders. | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | boot live from dvd, and not all modules load. | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | oh | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | I highly recommend looking at the upgrade guides for beowulf. Even more so for the migration from buster. There are some tricky spots. | 23:29 |
| Vall | OK, thanks for the heads-up. | 23:29 |
| Vall | I had some trouble today installing the virtualbox guest additions on a Beowulf VM, but nothing too bad | 23:30 |
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