| Guest60258 | you also need bzr (bazar) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Guest60258 | and the "rename" package | 00:00 |
| Wafficus | wait isn't python-dbus part of systemd? | 00:02 |
| Wafficus | its one of the requirements for bzr | 00:02 |
| Guest60258 | mozilla depends on libdbus | 00:02 |
| Wafficus | isn't that systemd? | 00:02 |
| Guest60258 | not exactly, there are dh-systemd, etc... | 00:03 |
| Guest60258 | the browser will work without dbus | 00:03 |
| Wafficus | ah screw that then | 00:03 |
| Wafficus | I don't want anything to do with systemd | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | dbus is not systemd | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | it's interprocess communication, been in debian longer than systemd | 00:04 |
| Guest60258 | but uses systemd | 00:04 |
| Guest60258 | but uses dbus, i mean | 00:05 |
| fsmithred | running without dbus is possible, but a lot of things normally present in a desktop system won't work | 00:06 |
| Wafficus | then why is it installing python-dbus in one of the dependencies? | 00:06 |
| Wafficus | via either bzr or mercurial | 00:06 |
| Wafficus | *forget which one | 00:06 |
| Wafficus | saw it on the dependencies it was installing | 00:06 |
| Wafficus | so, is there an internet browser that's modern, but not Chromium, and doesn't depend on systemd? | 00:07 |
| Wafficus | is there such a browser, or am I screwed in that regard? | 00:07 |
| fsmithred | I have no idea why it has the dependencies that it does | 00:07 |
| Guest60258 | on dbus? | 00:07 |
| Wafficus | gotcha | 00:07 |
| fsmithred | I'm pretty sure that those dbus libraries can't do anything if dbus isn't present and running | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | firefox will run without dbus | 00:09 |
| Wafficus | better safe than sorry to not use it then | 00:09 |
| Wafficus | kind of disappointing | 00:09 |
| Wafficus | I wonder what in the hell browser doesn't use Chromium infested bs, or isn't systemd based | 00:10 |
| Wafficus | its like a lose-lose situation | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | lynx? | 00:10 |
| Wafficus | I've been using w3m | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | close enough | 00:10 |
| Wafficus | but I'll still need a GUI browser for like banking and stuff like that | 00:10 |
| Wafficus | and to access Digital Ocean's site | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | links2 will run in graphical mode and makes the web look like 1995 | 00:11 |
| Wafficus | qutebrowser won't log me into Digital ocean, not sure why | 00:11 |
| ejr | w3m with some customization (e.g. vim keybindings) works great for most purposes | 00:11 |
| ejr | i use palemoon+pentadactyl for banking and stuff | 00:11 |
| Guest60258 | Wafficus: maybe Otter browser? | 00:11 |
| Guest60258 | http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/o/otter-browser/ | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | you'll probably need javascript to do banking | 00:11 |
| Guest60258 | i don't know sure, because it's in Qt5 | 00:12 |
| Wafficus | I see, Otter browser hmm | 00:14 |
| Guest60258 | here you are the website: https://otter-browser.org/ | 00:14 |
| Guest60258 | fsmithred: one parenthesis... | 00:15 |
| Guest60258 | today i've built gnuinos beowulf with runit, but i need to test it | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | :) | 00:15 |
| Guest60258 | yesterday i was wrong at some points, talking about /etc/service | 00:16 |
| Guest60258 | on the other hand, i also talked about my services for the virtual ttys, but they are provided by tthe *getty-run* package | 00:17 |
| fsmithred | I don't remember you talking about that | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | I need to go to the kitchen | 00:19 |
| fsmithred | bbiab | 00:19 |
| Guest60258 | i thought that /etc/runit/runsvdir/default pointed to /etc/service, but it's in the other way around, so, the packaging is right | 00:19 |
| Guest60258 | and i need to reboot, see you tomorrow :) | 00:20 |
| ejr | absinthe: i think it's the cryptsetup-functions file... | 00:31 |
| ejr | but i have yet to find the updated one that fixes the bug | 00:31 |
| ejr | *cryptdisks-functions | 00:31 |
| ejr | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=7675#p7675 | 00:32 |
| fsmithred | ejr, https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/cryptsetup-modified-functions/blob/master/cryptdisks-functions | 00:35 |
| ejr | ahh that's what i was looking for, thanks fsmithred! i can just cp that over the old cryptdisks-functions, right? no other commands necessary? | 00:36 |
| Wafficus | I'm still doing the make install and its still waiting on this part | 00:36 |
| Wafficus | s|www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/icecat-help|libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/Help|g | 00:36 |
| fsmithred | correct | 00:36 |
| Wafficus | is that normal? | 00:36 |
| fsmithred | it might get overwritten if cryptsetup gets an update | 00:36 |
| fsmithred | so save a copy | 00:36 |
| Wafficus | my laptop's pretty hot for doing this build from source task with the ./makeicecat thing | 00:36 |
| fsmithred | Wafficus, use cpulimit | 00:37 |
| TheBlueWizard | I have some questions about upgrading to Beowulf from Ascii: do I need to do the upgrading from console with apt-get, or can I do that from Synaptic? And do I need to stop GUI first? | 01:08 |
| golinux | TheBlueWizard: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf | 01:12 |
| TheBlueWizard | I am already looking at it and it seems to say use comsole...am not sure | 01:13 |
| golinux | I wouldn't use synaptic to upgrade. | 01:16 |
| TheBlueWizard | OK | 01:19 |
| TheBlueWizard | And prolly better to not be in GUI as well then | 01:19 |
| TheBlueWizard | thanks | 01:19 |
| absinthe | ah! tyvm for this cryptsetup fix, it works like a charm <3 | 01:33 |
| Wafficus | I'm in the output folder for icecat from gnuzilla | 01:38 |
| Wafficus | aka icecat-68.9.0 | 01:38 |
| Wafficus | however I don't see an executable that was made with the makefile | 01:38 |
| Xenguy | Thanks golinux for the upgrade to Beowulf link. I have to do a thorough system backup first, but then I think I will attempt the upgrade to Beowulf sometime real soon now. | 02:30 |
| Xenguy | Any issues with Beowulf that I should now about before I commit, anyone? | 02:31 |
| Xenguy | *know | 02:31 |
| gnarface | just read the release notes, you'll probably be fine https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt | 02:33 |
| gnarface | i've seen some package conflicts on the upgrades i've done but nothing that wasn't fixable by just removing everything in the way and letting it reinstall what it wanted | 02:34 |
| gnarface | if you have your full backup i wouldn't worry | 02:35 |
| Xenguy | Thanks gnarface , that's my next step, rsync'ing a fresh full system backup I think | 02:36 |
| gnarface | i didn't experience anything here that was fundamentally different from the jessie->ascii upgrade | 02:37 |
| Xenguy | I'm pretty sure I still have room on the external drive I use. | 02:37 |
| gnarface | same type of scattered packaging conflicts, just on different packages | 02:37 |
| Xenguy | For me, online jessie/debian -> ascii (I think that was the path I took), was painless and worked like a charm | 02:38 |
| Xenguy | Hoping for similar luck now going Ascii -> Beowulf | 02:38 |
| absinthe | upgraded yesterday, everything went smooth | 02:39 |
| Xenguy | Great to hear : -) | 02:39 |
| Xenguy | Ascii -> Beowulf you mean absinthe ? | 02:39 |
| absinthe | yes | 02:39 |
| Xenguy | yay | 02:39 |
| Xenguy | sounds like good news | 02:40 |
| absinthe | so far so good :) | 02:40 |
| Xenguy | Beowulf, pretty cool name too, hah | 02:40 |
| Xenguy | <david putty>Yeah that's right, I'm kickin' it with ahhh Beowulf! | 02:41 |
| Xenguy | </david putty> | 02:41 |
| Xelraa | if you want to experience something which goes absolutely the worth try to upgrade debian stretch to buster on rpi, tons of things breaks then in middle of the dist upgrade the process gets interrupted and the apt binary is missing at that point you can trash your system and start over from backup :P | 08:29 |
| Xelraa | so far my beuwulf install experience is good | 08:29 |
| Xelraa | even tho i did advanced scenario from netboot to install it with cryptodisk | 08:30 |
| Xelraa | i see this 4.19 kernel now also switched to luks2 | 08:30 |
| leafwiz | Hello. I'm trying to install a beowulf on a esxi server with passthrough network. No dhcp. The install seems to freeze / stop with a blue window with white line underneath. | 09:33 |
| leafwiz | After I have selected the locale | 09:33 |
| leafwiz | The VM Network is Connected with Pass-though set to yes. - If I where to guess what is wrong I would say the install hangs on DHCP request. | 09:36 |
| ErRandir | sounds like multicast packets are not passed through | 09:42 |
| leafwiz | Did an expert install. So is up and running. Just strange with the regular install. | 09:51 |
| leafwiz | Wonder if I should do a bug report? | 09:52 |
| ham5urg | Is there a site like packages.debian.org for devuan? I would like to browse / search for packages and versions. | 11:14 |
| Joril | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ ? | 11:19 |
| ham5urg | Thanks. I was looking at it but can't identify which KDE version is used. | 11:25 |
| ham5urg | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/chimaera/chimaera/kde-plasma-desktop_104.html | 11:25 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | The page says 5.10 | 12:16 |
| fsmithred | 4:5.17.5-3 10 | 12:58 |
| fsmithred | 10 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main amd64 Packages | 12:58 |
| fsmithred | humpelstilzchen[, ^^^ plasma-desktop | 12:58 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | ? | 13:06 |
| fsmithred | 5.17 in chimaera and ceres, 5.14 in beowulf | 13:15 |
| fsmithred | Someone has 5.18 available. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3575 | 13:17 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | aah now I see it, the link to kde-plasma-desktop is the wrong package | 13:20 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I don't know what that one is | 13:21 |
| ham5urg | Is there some point against building a Icecat-Deb and become a maintainer for it? | 14:54 |
| bgstack15 | ham5urg: some point, as in some support? I personally love the alternative Mozilla-based browsers. I'd try a IceCat deb if you can make one. | 15:20 |
| bgstack15 | I don't know about getting it into Devuan proper, but you should certainly start by making a deb for it and showing it to the project team. | 15:20 |
| filipdevuan_ | hey | 16:06 |
| ham5urg | bgstack15, I was wondering why there is a Firefox but no Icecat. I would never use Firefox in the first place. | 16:56 |
| bsd4me | Will xfce4-notes-plugin be added to chimaera? Just curious since I see other plugins already added :) | 17:49 |
| buZz | sure, pull requests welcome to introduce your package | 17:52 |
| bsd4me | It is in beowulf, so was wondering if there was a dep problem, or something else :) | 17:53 |
| buZz | is it in debian 11? | 17:55 |
| bsd4me | iirc, I saw it. Will check again to make certain. | 17:55 |
| bsd4me | my bad. Not there :( | 17:58 |
| bsd4me | must of been 10 I was searching | 17:58 |
| buZz | ah well | 17:59 |
| buZz | maybe xfce has nobody that cares enough about it | 17:59 |
| bsd4me | maybe. dunno :( I'm using openbox, but didn't want to pull in all the deps for knotes, but may have to. I have a lot of xfce4 notes. | 18:00 |
| buZz | arent they textfiles? | 18:01 |
| ham5urg | Is out there a actual ISO oft testing | 18:02 |
| ham5urg | of* | 18:02 |
| bsd4me | yes. But with the "sticky note" feature, I just have to click an arrow to get to whichever note I want. Easier than scrolling through a text file | 18:02 |
| ham5urg | Amd64-devuan-kde-live.ISO or similar | 18:03 |
| fsmithred | the only devuan live isos are xfce desktop-live and the no-X minimal-live | 18:06 |
| ham5urg | Is there a testing live iso? | 18:11 |
| fsmithred | ham5urg, I made a chimaera live iso. Unofficial, incomplete, untested (mostly) and I'm pretty sure it mostly works: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/snapshot_chimaera_01-20200605_2006.iso | 18:35 |
| ham5urg | fsmithred, loading the iso | 18:53 |
| meep_____ | If I am upgrading from ASCII to Beowulf all I need to do is search and replace /etc/apt/sources.list s!ascii!beowulf!g, apt update, and then apt dist-upgrade right? | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | meep_____, read the guide. There are a couple of other things you might need to do. | 19:09 |
| meep_____ | thanks | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/install | 19:10 |
| devuan | Hello Guys | 20:03 |
| devuan | goes any one really knows what fonts come with, for xterm? | 20:03 |
| devuan | when I try to resize(Shift+'+') | 20:04 |
| devuan | I receive warnings that they are not availlable | 20:04 |
| devuan | :( | 20:04 |
| devuan | could this be the fonts I need? | 20:04 |
| devuan | xfonts-shinonome - Various 12,14,16 dot Japanese Kanji, iso8859-1 fonts for X11 | 20:04 |
| devuan | but I don't want Japanese | 20:04 |
| devuan | :D | 20:04 |
| teknopaul | Hi all installing a third Devuan system , different boot media brand new hardware and I still get the not ext4 bug, is there anything I can do to help debug this issue? | 20:07 |
| specing | 'not ext4'? | 20:09 |
| teknopaul | enter advanced mode and try to partition disks and there is no option to format as ext4, just ext2 and fat | 20:10 |
| teknopaul | normal install works and creates extx partition | 20:11 |
| teknopaul | ext4 | 20:11 |
| teknopaul | Mr. fsmithred said he could not reproduce it but I have no problem reproducing it and wonder if I can help debug the issue | 20:13 |
| specing | that is S T R A N G E | 20:20 |
| specing | ext4 has been around for more than a decade | 20:20 |
| nemo | devuan: xterm's annoying behaviour with fonts is main reason I don't use it | 20:21 |
| teknopaul | ext4 itself works, just the ncurses tui does not show it as an option | 20:23 |
| teknopaul | is it possible to debug the installer? I've done 3 baremetal installs | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | did you check the download and the burn? | 20:26 |
| fsmithred | speaking of that, is it on usb or optical media? | 20:26 |
| coagen | congrats on the 3.0 release! looking forward to checking it out | 20:27 |
| teknopaul | download cksum is correct, and I have used two different USB devices | 20:28 |
| teknopaul | three sets of completely different hardware | 20:28 |
| fsmithred | which iso? | 20:28 |
| teknopaul | 096f3462d2098723b097aa0393fae92d631857db51af70697e2524629cebe246 devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-server.iso | 20:29 |
| devuan | nemo, its crazy, I can't find the correct fonts, and recomends, doesn't help on that :( | 20:29 |
| fsmithred | ok, I'm imaging a usb now. I will do an install in a few minutes. | 20:30 |
| teknopaul | K, let me know if there is anything I can do. | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | expert mode, manual partitioning, I have all the normal choices | 20:38 |
| fsmithred | for filesystems | 20:38 |
| devuan | xterm: cannot load font "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso10646-1" | 20:38 |
| devuan | why? | 20:38 |
| devuan | I already have: xfonts-base,xfonts-encodings,xfonts-terminus,xfonts-terminus-oblique,xfonts-utils | 20:39 |
| devuan | I have now up to 4 days trying to find fonts and nothing yet for xterm | 20:40 |
| devuan | could it be xfonts-unifont? | 20:41 |
| yeti | xfonts-100dpi-transcoded or xfonts-75dpi-transcoded ? | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | teknopaul, how are you preparing the usb? | 20:44 |
| nemo | devuan: what I like about something like, oh, mate-terminal is that it seems to handle font fallback juuuust fine | 20:51 |
| nemo | devuan: and, well, since I'm running mate anyway.. | 20:51 |
| teknopaul | ubuntu usb startup disk creator | 20:53 |
| devuan | yeti, thanks, I tried that, but not yet.. :( | 20:54 |
| devuan | nemo, I already fall a sleep 3 times scrlolling the 7260 options for xfonts | 20:55 |
| teknopaul | /usr/bin/usb-creator-gtk version 0.3.3 | 20:56 |
| krypton | Hi fsmithred, have you digged into the strange start-stop-daemon/eudev issue further? | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | teknopaul, maybe you should use dd or cat | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | krypton, no | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | I tried to reproduce the problem in an installed system but could not | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | it was an ascii that I upgraded to beowulf a year ago | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | couldn't get the problem. I upgraded it again, so now it's chimaera. | 21:01 |
| krypton | OK, I have another three boxes to upgrade to beowulf - I'll stay on stable | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | I think it will eventually get solved | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | one of the people looking at this is the current maintainer of eudev | 21:03 |
| krypton | OK, is there anything I could do to help? | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | pinpoint the actualy bug? | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | lol | 21:04 |
| krypton | heh, good one | 21:04 |
| krypton | OK, if anyone asks for a box where to reproduce the issue, you can point hin to me, I'm not usually on IRC: ulrich.teichert@gmx.de | 21:06 |
| krypton | s/hin/him | 21:07 |
| devuan | I already have: xfonts-100dpi-transcoded,xfonts-base,xfonts-encodings,xfonts-intl-european,xfonts-terminus,xfonts-terminus-oblique,xfonts-unifont,xfonts-utils | 21:10 |
| devuan | but not yet | 21:10 |
| devuan | right now I have: xfonts-100dpi-transcoded,xfonts-75dpi-transcoded,xfonts-base,xfonts-encodings,xfonts-unifont,xfonts-utils | 21:26 |
| devuan | but I still get: xterm: cannot load font "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso10646-1" | 21:27 |
| * ShorTie Thinkz, maybe https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1534475#c4 | 21:36 | |
| devuan | ShorTie, indeed.. | 22:07 |
| devuan | I can only solve that applying my font | 22:07 |
| devuan | like | 22:07 |
| devuan | xterm -fa -misc-fixed-medium-r-*-*-17-120-100-100-*-*-*-* | 22:07 |
| devuan | using xfontsel for finding it.. | 22:08 |
| coagen | hey all, I'm looking for some new mods for #debianfork, stop by #debianfork-ops or send me a memo if interested | 22:12 |
| golinux | Note the #debianfork is not an official #devuan channel. | 22:14 |
| golinux | And has refused to cooperate with members of the devuan team. | 22:16 |
| golinux | So please take any further discussion #debianfork. | 22:18 |
| * coagen smites golinux with a fish | 22:35 | |
| golinux | Please no fish smiting on this channel | 22:43 |
| Guest15994 | I changed the root database password in beowulf, and added the new creds in /root/.my.cnf, however i get errors when starting the database and on boot | 22:47 |
| Guest15994 | [....] Starting MTA:ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhos) | 22:47 |
| Guest15994 | where else do it need to specify the root database credentials in beowulf OpenRC | 22:47 |
| Guest15994 | ? | 22:47 |
| debdog | there is a "t" missing in "Access denied for user 'root'@'localhos_t_". | 22:49 |
| Guest15994 | yes | 22:49 |
| debdog | (could be just a typo here | 22:49 |
| debdog | ) | 22:49 |
| Guest15994 | I'm not sure if that's just because of the serial console | 22:49 |
| debdog | ahh, ok | 22:49 |
| Guest15994 | debdog, I'm not specifying the user anywhere | 22:49 |
| Guest15994 | it's just [client] password=secret | 22:49 |
| Guest15994 | I want to put a password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf | 22:54 |
| Guest15994 | but it says | 22:54 |
| Guest15994 | # Automatically generated for Debian scripts. DO NOT TOUCH! | 22:54 |
| Guest15994 | where would i put it instead? | 22:54 |
| fsmithred | wouldn't you enter it at a mysql prompt? | 22:56 |
| fsmithred | I mean set it that way | 22:56 |
| fsmithred | oh | 22:56 |
| fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server or something like that (but it may have changed with mariadb) | 22:57 |
| Guest15994 | no | 22:57 |
| coagen | Guest15994: might not be a bad idea to ping folks in #debian with this query, not sure if this is limited to devuan | 22:57 |
| Guest15994 | the default devuan sets no root password allowing passwordless root login to the database | 22:57 |
| Guest15994 | which btw isn't secure because any user on the local system can claim to be root | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I think I remember hearing about that | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | see the debian release notes for the corresponding release | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | ascii=stretch, beowulf=buster | 22:58 |
| Guest15994 | ok | 23:02 |
| clapont | hi everyone | 23:06 |
| clapont | first, thank you & congratulations for the effort you put in a SystemD free Debian! | 23:07 |
| clapont | second, could someone tell, for Beowulf (based on Debian Buster) - which DE are inside the desktop version -devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-desktop.iso ? | 23:09 |
| clapont | Answer for Q: LXQt and KDE are only available on DVD (https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/install-devuan) | 23:12 |
| clapont | although, in the screenshots I see: XFCE (default), MATE, Cinnamon, KDE, LXQT | 23:14 |
| clapont | maybe it is easier to use the Server version then add OpenBox with apt.. | 23:15 |
| golinux | clapont: Please read the Release Notes https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt | 23:20 |
| clapont | golinux: I did, thank you. | 23:30 |
| sgage | clapont: use the netinst iso and you choose whatever you like | 23:30 |
| golinux | That should help you sort things. | 23:30 |
| clapont | have a nice day! | 23:36 |
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