frabbit | i can change the tty with Alt+ArrowKey in a xsession? since when is that? o_0 | 01:13 |
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gnarface | it's probably not the tty changing but actually your window manager changing virtual desktops, no? | 01:24 |
frabbit | normally dwm does nothing by default with alt+arrow | 01:28 |
frabbit | and this is only since ive run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup | 01:28 |
frabbit | to change the font o fthe tty | 01:28 |
brocashelm | will devuan carry iridium-browser on the repo? | 01:29 |
fsmithred | only if it's in debian repos | 01:30 |
brocashelm | i could not find it initially, so i had to use the browser's own repo (debian) | 01:30 |
brocashelm | i see | 01:30 |
fsmithred | yeah, it's not in the repo | 01:30 |
brocashelm | i also noticed newsboat was rather old (2.12), so i compiled the 2.20 version with ease | 01:32 |
frabbit | brocashelm: i still use newsbeuter | 01:33 |
frabbit | works fine, also i like that name more | 01:34 |
Unit193 | ...Same,also uses less ram when initially started. | 01:34 |
brocashelm | frabbit: i used newsbeuter first, but newsboat looked more promising | 01:34 |
frabbit | brocashelm: what does it promise to u? =) | 01:35 |
brocashelm | i also dumped random gui music player #1406 for cmus | 01:35 |
frabbit | yeah cmus is nice | 01:36 |
brocashelm | frabbit: i'm using newsboat because it's more actively maintained | 01:37 |
brocashelm | newsboat/newsbeuter is perfect for keeping track of your youtube/other streaming site channel favorites and then having mpv as the "browser" | 01:38 |
brocashelm | youtube's ui is just terrible and not worth it, so rss is here to save the day ;) | 01:38 |
frabbit | brocashelm: u can use invidio.us | 01:39 |
frabbit | but ostly i use lynx to brwose invidio.us and i always watch videos with mpv | 01:39 |
frabbit | *mostly | 01:39 |
brocashelm | frabbit: unfamiliar. will check it out, ty | 01:39 |
brocashelm | yeah, mpv is amazing | 01:39 |
brocashelm | a close friend of mine recently was added to their devs | 01:40 |
frabbit | brocashelm: #debianfork | 01:41 |
rtndog | hi everybody | 01:50 |
tuxd3v | does anyone knows how to run xterm in 256 colors? | 01:59 |
tuxd3v | I am trying to set env var TERM | 01:59 |
tuxd3v | but tpur colors report always 8 | 02:00 |
tuxd3v | tpur -> tput | 02:00 |
gnarface | tuxd3v: i think you need a terminal that supports 256 colors, and i'm not sure xterm does | 02:03 |
gnarface | tuxd3v: does it work with rxvt-unicode-256color? | 02:03 |
tuxd3v | gnarface, I don't have rxvt to test :S | 02:04 |
tuxd3v | the strange part is | 02:04 |
tuxd3v | even setting TERM=xterm-256color | 02:04 |
tuxd3v | and langhing xterm, it is in 8 bit mode :/ | 02:04 |
tuxd3v | I believe is possible but it needs to be compiled with that option.. | 02:05 |
gnarface | maybe so | 02:05 |
yeti | xterm-256color | 02:10 |
yeti | here | 02:10 |
yeti | and $ tput colors | 02:11 |
yeti | 256 | 02:11 |
yeti | de??an's default xterm | 02:11 |
yeti | XTerm*decTerminalID: vt340 | 02:11 |
yeti | XTerm*numColorRegisters: 256 | 02:11 |
yeti | in .Xresources | 02:11 |
yeti | but that may be independent... and only needed for sixels... | 02:12 |
yeti | but sure wont harm if there and not needed | 02:12 |
tuxd3v | the strange thing | 02:13 |
yeti | me= | 02:13 |
tuxd3v | with TERM=xterm | 02:13 |
tuxd3v | and tput colors 8 | 02:13 |
tuxd3v | if I do this: | 02:14 |
tuxd3v | curl -s https://gist.githubusercontent.com/HaleTom/89ffe32783f89f403bba96bd7bcd1263/raw/ | bash | 02:14 |
tuxd3v | it really prints the total pallete of colors | 02:14 |
tuxd3v | even tput reporting 8 | 02:14 |
tuxd3v | by some reason that I don't uderstand lol it now is working with TERM=xterm-256color | 02:18 |
tuxd3v | I will set this variable in the .bashrc :) | 02:19 |
gnarface | tuxd3v: maybe the missing variable is just that you needed to log all the way out and back in once? | 02:21 |
gnarface | tuxd3v: or maybe if you're using a graphical login daemon it had to be restarted | 02:21 |
tuxd3v | gnarface, yeah, I will set in on login, and see again :) | 02:22 |
tuxd3v | gnarface, yeti, yes that did the trick :) | 02:25 |
tuxd3v | I also have now PS1 colored and such :) | 02:25 |
tuxd3v | tough I don't now if the resources consumed are a lot bigger or not | 02:26 |
tuxd3v | but the diference should be small | 02:26 |
yeti | :-) | 02:27 |
tuxd3v | this is indeed another thing :) | 02:29 |
tuxd3v | https://postimg.cc/jCCYn25S | 02:29 |
yeti | eeeeek! | 02:41 |
yeti | that's enough colour for a month | 02:41 |
tuxd3v | hahaha ehe | 02:41 |
tuxd3v | indeed | 02:41 |
tuxd3v | I don't know why, but the colors are not the same in all terminals | 02:42 |
tuxd3v | in xterm they are very bright | 02:42 |
yeti | forget the toyterms | 02:42 |
yeti | like gnome.term | 02:42 |
yeti | xterm is standard. | 02:42 |
tuxd3v | the Idea was to devuanize lnewt, and I am testing it, but currently with a theme more close to the ascii one.. | 02:43 |
yeti | try that in gnometerm https://hive-project.de/board/download/file.php?id=4212 | 02:43 |
yeti | :-Þ | 02:43 |
tuxd3v | beowulf cinnabar would be great, if I could manage to get that color | 02:43 |
tuxd3v | woow, that is awesome!! | 02:44 |
yeti | xterm has 2 or 3 souls | 02:45 |
yeti | terminal + rastergraphics + (emulated) vectorgraphics | 02:45 |
tuxd3v | how does it launches another terminal? | 02:45 |
tuxd3v | its the tektronik? | 02:45 |
yeti | yip | 02:46 |
tuxd3v | that is insanely beutigull | 02:46 |
tuxd3v | beutigull -> beautifull | 02:46 |
tuxd3v | simplicity in its pure glory | 02:46 |
yeti | for the simple plot in near to no time | 02:46 |
yeti | no unneeded knobs and sliders | 02:46 |
yeti | less distractions | 02:47 |
yeti | xterm -t directly falls in that mode | 02:47 |
yeti | but maybe the 2nd window can be opended via some command sequence from a normal xterm | 02:47 |
yeti | https://github.com/saitoha/libsixel | 02:49 |
yeti | the other soul | 02:49 |
yeti | but thats incompatible with screen and mosh :-( | 02:49 |
yeti | ok... tec probably too | 02:50 |
yeti | teK | 02:50 |
onefang | How about tmux? | 02:50 |
yeti | no idea | 02:50 |
yeti | there is a patched screen | 02:50 |
yeti | but old | 02:50 |
yeti | Screen version 4.02.01 (GNU) 28-Apr-14 | 02:51 |
yeti | with sixel patches. | 02:51 |
yeti | tell the tmixers to support sixels AND tmux /dev/someserial | 02:52 |
yeti | then I'd switch | 02:52 |
yeti | I use screen as terminal for microcontrollers and pi-consoles and such... | 02:53 |
yeti | tmux considers this feature as bloat | 02:53 |
yeti | but a terminalmultiplexer not capable of using a real serial too is one legged... | 02:54 |
tuxd3v | it even does video, amazing, what some people can do with it.. Inever explored to much of it | 02:56 |
tuxd3v | the 256 colors is the maximum were I got | 02:56 |
tuxd3v | and ofcourse the scrollbar, and the pointer in red color, and also blinking, but was only that never tryied tektronik 's emulation | 02:57 |
tuxd3v | the plot you make was awesome | 02:57 |
* yeti prefers boring | 03:00 | |
yeti | https://yeti.tilde.institute/brain/emacs.html#exwm <<< I hope EXWM someday gets useable | 03:02 |
yeti | exwm needs some more features added to emacs before it really can take off and my other wanted WM (sawfish) coughs on de??an which I could fix for i386 and amd64 but on armhf the windows have no borders and arent moveable... :-( and I want the same stuff on all nixens | 03:06 |
yeti | :-( | 03:06 |
yeti | theoretically... | 03:06 |
yeti | al new installs ar GUIless or have XFCE but some old configs with Gnome still are around... | 03:07 |
onefang | Emacs has it's own window manager now? It really is an operating system. lol | 03:07 |
yeti | but I'd prefer sawfish or exwm | 03:07 |
yeti | and dont forget systemE | 03:07 |
yeti | !!! | 03:07 |
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yeti | shaddap! | 03:08 |
yeti | I hate bots | 03:08 |
yeti | https://github.com/a-schaefers/systemE | 03:08 |
onefang | OH NOES!! YOU'VE WOKE THE BOT!!! | 03:08 |
moosl | hei | 14:43 |
moosl | anybody around? | 14:43 |
moosl | I am preocupied | 14:44 |
tuxd3v | moosl, what do you mean? | 14:50 |
moosl | tuxd3v: what do you thing about the rumors of devuan switching to systemD? | 14:51 |
tuxd3v | moosl, what rumors? | 14:52 |
fsmithred | lol | 14:52 |
moosl | to be announced in the next Devuan keynote conference. | 14:54 |
fsmithred | when and where is that taking place? | 14:54 |
fsmithred | moosl, devuan with systemd already exists | 14:56 |
fsmithred | it's called debian | 14:56 |
moosl | fsmithred: just kidding | 14:56 |
moosl | i tried the 32bit install, quite impressed. | 14:56 |
moosl | but there are some lack of libC offers. | 14:57 |
fsmithred | ? | 14:57 |
moosl | is it possible to switch glibc to musl? | 14:57 |
fsmithred | I don't know | 14:57 |
moosl | how to propose Devuan leaders to include musl 32bit? | 14:58 |
fsmithred | it's possible to install musl - I see it in the repo | 14:58 |
moosl | I had to switch to a musl distro due glibc bloat. | 14:58 |
moosl | mm.. I thought dyne irc had a devuan channel as well. | 15:00 |
moosl | should I proposed it in the forums? | 15:03 |
moosl | musl already can run full blown qt5 plasma desktop | 15:04 |
moosl | there no reason for devuan not to have a musl based iso | 15:05 |
fsmithred | there is nothing stopping someone from making one and offering it to the community | 15:06 |
moosl | one? | 15:07 |
moosl | devuan got plenty of resources to produces such an iso on their spare time | 15:07 |
fsmithred | lol | 15:07 |
moosl | it's already built by other distros | 15:07 |
fsmithred | it was a major effort to get the current set of isos out | 15:08 |
fsmithred | I was doing around 40 installs per week for the last few months | 15:08 |
moosl | so it sloud be a matter of simply copy/pasting the patches and hooking up apt-get | 15:08 |
moosl | s/sloud/should | 15:08 |
fsmithred | it's a matter of someone willing to devote the time and effort to do it and maintain it after it's done | 15:09 |
moosl | diff alpine-linux devuan | 15:09 |
moosl | something like that | 15:09 |
golinux | moosl: Please return to planet earth. | 15:12 |
moosl | eventually all distros will have to offer musl based isos | 15:13 |
fsmithred | why? | 15:13 |
moosl | fsmithred: many reasons | 15:13 |
golinux | Maybe move this to #devuan-offtopic | 15:15 |
moosl | golinux: that's ok, I just wanted to raise the issue after trying 32bit out | 15:16 |
moosl | golinux: i'll go into the forums. | 15:18 |
golinux | moosl: One suggestion . . . if you want a musl based iso, please put it together and offer it to devuan. Do not expect devuan devs to do it for you. | 15:21 |
golinux | See you over there . . . | 15:21 |
moosl | golinux: first off, I don't have the diff/patching skillz to do so. | 15:22 |
moosl | second, it isn't a crazy idea. | 15:22 |
moosl | golinux: how come debian had a mach iso? | 15:23 |
scott_ | Hi. This is my first time here. I'm on Linux Mint 17.2 (still pre-SystemD) and have used Mint for 8+ years. | 15:54 |
scott_ | But now I'm looking for a new distro. | 15:54 |
scott_ | Well I guess the search continues. Thanks for nothing. | 15:58 |
tuxd3v | scott, what are your doubts? | 16:04 |
tuxd3v | already quitted.. | 16:04 |
tuxd3v | without a question is dificult to formule a answer :/ | 16:04 |
Atari-Frosch | Bad service. :-þ | 16:06 |
tuxd3v | Atari-Frosch, I really was not close to the computer neither | 16:10 |
tuxd3v | anyway you expect always some one make his own questions :( | 16:10 |
Atari-Frosch | tuxd3v: Of course. Just an experience I made on IRC since I use it: People say something or even ask questions, wait a few minutes at maximum, and if nobody answers, they leave. As if the folks in a channel are staring at it all the time just waiting for people like this ;-) | 16:16 |
onefang | Some people have such short .. oh look, a squirrel! | 16:37 |
Atari-Frosch | :-D | 16:38 |
brocashelm | i saw scott_'s post in a mint thread. i'll try to get him to come back :D | 16:50 |
Joril | Nice :O | 16:57 |
yeti | musl is the new rust? | 19:49 |
yeti | rewrite it in rust! is demanded often... e.g. someone triggered a long thread in Haiku(OS)'s forum bout this... | 19:49 |
GNULinuxPay | I'm selling GNU/Linux licenses. $99 for single user, $49 for each computer if purchasing for 25 or more machines. Bitcoin payment only! | 19:50 |
yeti | du mich auch! | 19:50 |
tuxd3v | GNULinuxPay, I can also sell you some | 19:53 |
GNULinuxPay | tuxd3v: for what price? | 19:54 |
yeti | -> #debianfork | 19:55 |
tuxd3v | its certainly bellow yeors :) | 19:56 |
tuxd3v | yeors -> yours | 19:56 |
tuxd3v | afaik selling gpl licenses its not possible, products yes | 19:57 |
tuxd3v | what do you guys thins of its: | 19:57 |
tuxd3v | with xterm in 256 color mode: | 19:57 |
tuxd3v | https://postimg.cc/bG5M7RqK/2ed18d00 | 19:58 |
tuxd3v | and this with tilda: | 19:58 |
tuxd3v | https://postimg.cc/bZh2TXb5/65c4915f | 19:58 |
tuxd3v | is starts to take some shape tell me what do you think | 19:58 |
tuxd3v | this is the first real adventure with lnewt: https://github.com/tuxd3v/lnewt | 20:00 |
tuxd3v | still have a problem, I have hotkeys assigned to the listbox, but how to I manage the buttons :/ | 20:01 |
tuxd3v | anyone can help? | 20:01 |
brocashelm | i think he is back as "GNULinuxGenuine" in #debian-fork | 20:06 |
tuxd3v | brocashelm, you mean #debianfork :) | 20:08 |
brocashelm | tuxd3v: yup :) | 20:09 |
brocashelm | how do i restart networkmanager service using runit? | 22:29 |
rtndog | are you specifically wanting to do it with runit? | 22:33 |
rtndog | or are you just tring to restart it? | 22:34 |
brocashelm | i am using runit-init instead of sysvinit, and i needed to make some dns/resolv changes | 22:35 |
brocashelm | i tried looking around for the service directory, but kept getting "unable to open supervise/ok: files does not exist" | 22:36 |
golinux | brocashelm: I Don't begin to understand the finer points of init but I think runit relies on sysvinit scripts. | 22:42 |
golinux | Do you have them installed? | 22:42 |
brocashelm | golinux: i installed runit-init and only have sysvinit-utils of sysvinit packages installed alongside | 22:44 |
brocashelm | i just installed sysvinit and init again. i thought those would replace runit-init at first, but i guess not? | 22:46 |
golinux | Have you seen this thread? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3628 | 22:48 |
brocashelm | yes, i have seen it previously and followed those steps | 22:48 |
brocashelm | runit has been my init for a few days already | 22:49 |
brocashelm | the interesting thing is i just installed init and sysvinit back again, but apt did not complain | 22:50 |
golinux | Sorry I can't be much help . . . | 22:55 |
fsmithred | so which one is being used? | 22:55 |
brocashelm | golinux: no worries :) | 22:56 |
brocashelm | fsmithred: runit | 22:56 |
fsmithred | you rebooted after reinstalling sysvinit? | 22:56 |
brocashelm | let me check | 22:56 |
brocashelm | yes, runit is still my init | 22:58 |
fsmithred | aptitude -s install sysvinit-core says it will remove runit-init | 22:58 |
brocashelm | sysvinit-core is not installed | 22:59 |
fsmithred | oh | 22:59 |
brocashelm | sysvinit, sysvinit-utils, and init are installed | 22:59 |
fsmithred | I thought you said you reinstalled it | 22:59 |
fsmithred | I think sysvinit is just a metapackage | 23:00 |
brocashelm | sorry, i meant the literal packages | 23:00 |
brocashelm | but, i was wondering how i could utilize runit for restarting networkmanager as an example | 23:01 |
fsmithred | I know nothing about runit | 23:01 |
fsmithred | I just followed directions to install it and then kicked it around until I could make a live iso from it. | 23:01 |
brocashelm | ah | 23:01 |
fsmithred | kicked my stuff around | 23:02 |
fsmithred | not runit | 23:02 |
fsmithred | refractasnaphsot depends on live-config-sysvinit(or other init system) | 23:03 |
brocashelm | yeah, it removed those packages when i installed runit-init | 23:03 |
fsmithred | but there's no live-config-runit package | 23:03 |
fsmithred | so I opened up some packages and copied files into place | 23:03 |
brocashelm | i see | 23:04 |
brocashelm | another question i have is that since i do not want a graphical login manager (just tty -> startx), i keep seeing some ethernet crap interfering when i put in my username/password. would there be a way to get rid of this? | 23:04 |
fsmithred | I was under the impression that if "-- quiet" is in the boot command, they won't show up. | 23:05 |
fsmithred | other way is to edit something in /etc/sysctl.conf | 23:05 |
brocashelm | in /etc/default/grub? | 23:06 |
fsmithred | # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console | 23:06 |
fsmithred | #kernel.printk = 3 4 1 3 | 23:06 |
fsmithred | yeah, for quiet, in /etc/default/grub | 23:06 |
brocashelm | so, like this? GRUB_CMD_LINE_LINUX="-- quiet" | 23:07 |
fsmithred | I think so | 23:07 |
fsmithred | make it the last option | 23:07 |
fsmithred | you have to run update-grub afterward | 23:07 |
brocashelm | alright. just making sure where to place that. i also have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT | 23:08 |
fsmithred | please let me know if it works | 23:08 |
fsmithred | oh yeah, DEFAULT will just put it in the first boot entry | 23:08 |
fsmithred | the other will put it in all of them | 23:08 |
brocashelm | testing now | 23:10 |
brocashelm | nope, it's still happening | 23:10 |
fsmithred | ok | 23:11 |
fsmithred | sorry for that | 23:11 |
brocashelm | i see stuff like this in the tty: eth0: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, etc. etc. and some UFW BLOCK info | 23:11 |
brocashelm | when i get my login prompt | 23:11 |
fsmithred | yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about | 23:11 |
fsmithred | close your eyes to log in | 23:11 |
brocashelm | :P | 23:12 |
fsmithred | sysctl.conf | 23:12 |
brocashelm | reverted grub changes and uncommented that line | 23:13 |
brocashelm | rebooting again | 23:13 |
brocashelm | great, it's finally gone | 23:14 |
brocashelm | thank you | 23:14 |
fsmithred | yw | 23:14 |
fsmithred | if you like magic sysrq keys, you can edit that file to enable all of them | 23:15 |
fsmithred | kernel.sysrq=1 | 23:15 |
brocashelm | kernel.sysrq=1 was already uncommented before i edited the file. i see kernel.sysrq=438 remains commented | 23:17 |
brocashelm | i am not too familiar with that approach | 23:17 |
fsmithred | oh yeah, I know who edited your file. | 23:17 |
fsmithred | lol | 23:17 |
brocashelm | ha | 23:17 |
fsmithred | what's the equivalent of 'init 1' command for runit? | 23:51 |
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