| doubledutch | DUU DUU DUUUU we're sorry the number you have dialed has been disconnected or is no longer in service. Please check the number, and try again. ATL. Message Four | 00:00 |
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| doubledutch | If they are robots that detect tones and take action based on that, yes they will depending on their programming | 00:00 |
| systemdlete | Better yet would be those high-toned, shrieking fax/modem sounds. Those would REALLY irritate them. | 00:00 |
| doubledutch | Wish I could get me friends like that | 00:00 |
| doubledutch | Oh you can have a VM greeting | 00:00 |
| doubledutch | just have the tones first ;) | 00:01 |
| systemdlete | I was trying to think of a way to answer the phone with those... | 00:01 |
| doubledutch | Also this is !offtopic | 00:01 |
| DonkeyHotei | autocallers no longer check for DUU DUU DUUUU | 00:01 |
| DonkeyHotei | oops, didn't notice the channel | 00:02 |
| systemdlete | When they call, there is a message asking if I want to talk to a representative. That's a clue to queue up the shriek/modem noises. | 00:02 |
| doubledutch | Thanks DonkeyHotei my info is probably old | 00:02 |
| doubledutch | Everything about me is old | 00:02 |
| * doubledutch sobs | 00:02 | |
| systemdlete | me too | 00:02 |
| * systemdlete can still remember what a 1200 baud modem sounds like. Sad. | 00:02 | |
| DonkeyHotei | so can i | 00:03 |
| golinux | Take it to #debianfork. This is a support channel | 00:06 |
| golinux | The whole lot of you. Please | 00:06 |
| golinux | Thanks | 00:07 |
| systemdlete2 | can we get pacapt for devuan 3.0? It was available in ascii; I use it most of the time. | 00:46 |
| brocashelm | i am still waiting for proper wine support in devuan; i can't install wine32, no matter what i do | 00:54 |
| brocashelm | i understand it takes time, though. apt is complaining and i even tried winehq | 00:55 |
| brocashelm | i looked around the forums and none of those solutions worked for me | 00:55 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: the winehq-staging one from winehq should work if you pick the right version but use all the devuan-only wine dependencies for it | 01:10 |
| TheLinux | Hello. I'm selling GNU/Linux licenses. $99 for single computer, $49 for each computer if purchasing 25 or more licenses. Bitcoin payment only! | 01:10 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: the issue you're running into building the wine32 bit part on amd64 is not just a devuan issue, that is also a problem in debian too. you need to build the 32-bit parts separately, in a 32-bit only chroot | 01:11 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: it's telling me it depends on wine-staging (= 5.11-buster) and won't continue | 01:12 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: (this has been an issue for over 5 years at least, since the very inception of multiarch, and is the reason why the debian packages fundamentally differently structured from the winehq ones) | 01:12 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: also sometimes it's broken for a week while they update it, all i can tell you for sure is it worked at 5.10 | 01:13 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: it might help for you to install wine-development from the devuan repo first, so you have at least most the dependencies that winehq-staging wants | 01:14 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: ah, ok. i will try those steps | 01:14 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: also, try to see if you can still get 5.10-buster from their repo; if you're lucky and quick sometimes you can catch it before they remove it | 01:15 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: i installed the 5.10 buster version of wine-staging:amd64, but version i386 is complaining about libfaudio0:i386 (i read that it's not provided by winehq beyond debian 10, so it would have to be obtained from the obs repos) | 01:21 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: and if i want libfaudio0:i386, it says i need libavcodec58:i386 | 01:24 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: well, first of all, you do have multiarch enabled, right? because none of the :i386 dependencies are installable until you do that first - i realize now that could be your problem here too. but yea, sorry i forgot it needs libfaudio now, that's new, but you can get just that one package safely from somewhere else... vlc's repo maybe? stand by... i think it's non-free is the issue | 01:27 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: all the other packages, including libavcodec58:i386 should be in the devuan repo though, i think, though one or two others may also be non-free depending on what else you have installed | 01:28 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: hmmm. looks like you can steal the version from opensuse: https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32192 | 01:31 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: and i recall now that is where i got it from too. i was careful to get only that 1 package from there, it didn't seem to demand any distro-specific dependencies | 01:31 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: i will be trying that method | 01:32 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: remember of course that mixing 3rd party packages in is risky and not officially supported, but it worked for me (i sympathize with bending the rules to play games, just make a backup) | 01:32 |
| gnarface | i dunno why that package isn't in debian yet but i'm hoping that will change by the next release | 01:33 |
| Unit193 | faudio was simply introduced after Buster was released, that's it. One might be able to seek a backport so one doesn't have these issues. | 01:34 |
| gnarface | there wasn't one when i checked, but that was a couple weeks ago at least | 01:35 |
| Unit193 | There still isn't, I meant one could *request* one. | 01:38 |
| gnarface | oh, right | 01:43 |
| gnarface | yea, that would be handy | 01:43 |
| Unit193 | I needed a perl library, and saw it entered Debian. I simply poked the maintainer on IRC and he was very willing. | 01:43 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: still mixed results. three packages are broken (libfaudio0:i386, wine-staging-dev:i386, and wine-staging-i386:i386). although i could at least run winecfg, attempting to launch a program complained that it was a 32-bit install on a 64-bit platform, and the other way around. i think i'll wait until the next major release | 02:10 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: hmm, i'm not 100% sure that's not still a user-error based issue. what does this output for you? "dpkg --print-architecture && dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" | 02:23 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: also, when you're trying to pull wine-staging from the winehq repo, you've got all the other repos commented-out during that attempt, correct? | 02:24 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: based only on what you've shown me, failure to run "apt-get update" at the necessary times could even be the issue, sorry if these sanity checks seem menial to you | 02:25 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: but yea, if it's really broken in winehq's site itself, that wouldn't be new or unsurprising to me, i just wanted to make sure | 02:26 |
| gnarface | *new or surprising | 02:26 |
| frabbit | hey people, sadly i need to delete my account | 02:40 |
| frabbit | so if anyone comes here as frabbit in the future: its not me | 02:40 |
| frabbit | you all were very kind with helping me out with stuff. wish u all a good time and stay safe ;) | 02:40 |
| frabbit | bye | 02:40 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, are you ok? | 02:41 |
| frabbit | tuxd3v: nah not really | 02:42 |
| tuxd3v | frabbit, wait a second.. | 02:42 |
| frabbit | the putin trolls got me yesterday... im getting in rage mode when it comes to "the idiots of planet earth" | 02:42 |
| frabbit | and thats not healthy for me... im a peaceful peron even if im getting angry quick when something goes wrong for me... | 02:43 |
| frabbit | happy hacking devuan people and thanks for a awesome Gnu/Linux without systemd! =) | 02:43 |
| crhylove | Hey y'all.. I'm having trouble with sound output in Hydrogen, and also it takes too long to load. | 02:48 |
| gnarface | crhylove: does speaker-test work? | 02:50 |
| gnarface | crhylove: try this for starters: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav | 02:51 |
| gnarface | crhylove: first we need to know if it errors, or if it plays, or if it says it's playing with no error, but doesn't make any sound anyway | 02:51 |
| crhylove | gnarface, Trying now... | 02:52 |
| crhylove | Not hearing anything.... | 02:53 |
| crhylove | I ctrl-C'ed it. | 02:53 |
| crhylove | DOH! My audio settings somehow changed. | 02:53 |
| crhylove | This may fix it.... | 02:54 |
| gnarface | crhylove: check alsamixer first, but if you're using pulseaudio too don't forget to check pavucontrol as well | 02:54 |
| crhylove | Hmmmmm Got sound but it's all distorted now. | 02:55 |
| crhylove | Going for a reboot. BRB | 02:55 |
| buZz | i'd love if i could tell pulseaudio that 100% is loud enough and it should never go above :P | 02:56 |
| buZz | although it hasnt been an issue of mine lately | 02:57 |
| wev | hey | 04:39 |
| wev | just wanted to let y'all know of my attempt at using devuan... that failed | 04:39 |
| wev | i spent massive time downloading a whole offline dvd iso... | 04:39 |
| wev | then when i did the install, i did an OFFLINE install | 04:39 |
| wev | then it failed to set up my laptop's wireless device, and failed to provide any software to get online | 04:40 |
| wev | i have to set certain network variables before getting online, which is why i did an offline setup | 04:40 |
| wev | and i didn't want to troubleshoot that hassle of trying to get an offline system online | 04:41 |
| wev | so.. it was dead in the water, a huge waste of time | 04:41 |
| golinux | Have you read the release notes? | 04:41 |
| wev | but i really like the distro and its effort | 04:41 |
| wev | no | 04:41 |
| golinux | <ight be something in there to help | 04:41 |
| golinux | Might | 04:41 |
| golinux | http://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt | 04:42 |
| wev | of course, 99 times out of 100 it seems, it's *my* fault, right? lol. that's a linux mentality that's incompatible with the real world of people just wanting stuff to work and not wanting to be a kernel programmer just to get minesweeper to work | 04:43 |
| wev | but thank you.. i'm just dropping in to give feedback | 04:43 |
| golinux | Bye then | 04:43 |
| wev | my feedback is: when a user selects an offline install, don't NOT set up their networking hardware | 04:44 |
| wev | ya bye | 04:44 |
| gnarface | wev: that's expected behavior inherited from Debian, fyi. also, if you tried to set up the network and failed you're probably just missing non-free wifi firmware packages or something like that. you really should read those release notes. | 04:47 |
| gnarface | wev: and if you don't like it you're entitled to a full refund | 04:48 |
| wev | well if your goal is to mimick debian, except without systemd, then i guess it's debian's fault, and i think it's inexcusible | 04:48 |
| wev | qnarface, well, giving my time a reasonable value of, say, $100, where's my money? lol | 04:49 |
| gnarface | that is the goal in fact, to mimic debian but without systemd, and there's frankly no budget for much more than that, but just an additional fyi, if you'd chosen the netinstall image instead, and set up the network during install, it would have probably included your non-free wifi firmware automatically (one convenience that afaik debian doesn't even provide yet) | 04:50 |
| gnarface | and if you want to be reimbursed for your time then you're going to have to reimburse me for mine first | 04:52 |
| wev | gnarface yes i know, but i have to set ping to 65 before i start downloading MB and GB of software | 04:52 |
| wev | ping* no.. umm.. ttl | 04:52 |
| hemimaniac | I made that mistake my first install of devuan, offline install, but thankfully I got it sorted pretty quick buy tethering with the phone. But that was on me as I didn't rtm | 05:23 |
| plasma41 | I have to manually run `dhclient` after each reboot in order to get an ip address. I consider not autoconnecting without my say so to be a feature, not a bug. | 06:29 |
| golinux | plasma41: Still here? | 06:47 |
| plasma41 | still here | 06:48 |
| golinux | When you got on , my connection wonked out. | 06:49 |
| golinux | Maybe that wasn;t you. It's cycling connecting and reconnecting | 06:50 |
| plasma41 | same here | 06:54 |
| VoidPtr | New Devuan user here. I'm trying to tweak my system: suspend on lid close doesn't work even after setting the right configuration in xfce4-powermanager, do you have any suggestion on where to start troubleshooting? | 10:11 |
| xinomilo | ceres users with network-manager dont upgrade | 10:22 |
| xinomilo | use testing version | 10:22 |
| xinomilo | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=964139 | 10:47 |
| goleo | hi | 14:54 |
| goleo | I can't download Devuan via BitTorrent, I guess there are no seeds | 14:55 |
| Joril | That's strange, I'm seeding it right now | 14:59 |
| Joril | Ascii and Beowulf both | 14:59 |
| goleo | btw, I hope Devuan doesn't stop on getting rid of systemd | 15:05 |
| goleo | I don't like everything from Red Hat, but systemd, pulseaudio and wayland are the worst | 15:06 |
| brocashelm | goleo: it will never happen, because devuan preaches init freedom on their page | 15:07 |
| goleo | ok | 15:07 |
| brocashelm | i agree that systemd, pulseaudio, and wayland are garbage | 15:07 |
| brocashelm | runit and alsa suit me just fine | 15:08 |
| brocashelm | https://devuan.org/os/init-freedom | 15:10 |
| goleo | I believe the only sane audio servers are JACK and sndio | 15:10 |
| brocashelm | i also use jack | 15:17 |
| Wafficus | Hi there, can I ask an Audacity question? | 18:58 |
| Wafficus | I'm on a Thinkpad T440s (i7 cpu with 12 gigs ram) and the first track I can record is just fine, but the overdubs sound like they're skipping information every other second or so | 18:58 |
| Wafficus | I'm using a Focusrite Solo interface (2nd gen) and the settings are fine in .asoundrc as I can hear just audio just fine. I'm just wondering if this is a Devuan, sound card, or Audacity issue | 18:59 |
| cbthree | Is there a Devuan MATE desktop-live iso? | 22:18 |
| cbthree | Is the desktop 4 GB DVD iso a live image? | 22:25 |
| golinux | cbthree: No. Only the desktop-live is a live iso, Please read the top of this page for description of the various isos offered: https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 22:34 |
| golinux | Oops , , , , there is also the minimal-live | 22:36 |
| cbthree | Thanks. A MATE live image would be nice to have in the near future though | 22:36 |
| golinux | cbthree: There are devuan derivatives that use the mate theme | 22:46 |
| golinux | https://devuan.org/os/devuan-distros | 22:46 |
| cbthree | Which one(s) are live MATE desktop image(s)? | 22:49 |
| golinux | I thought there were but I'm not seeing them . . . | 22:51 |
| golinux | You can install mate with the devuan installers | 22:51 |
| golinux | There are even installation instructionswith screenshots to guide you https://devuan.org/os/install | 22:53 |
| cbthree | There are NO Beowulf live derivatives that use MATE as their DE | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | you need it to be live? | 23:01 |
| golinux | It seems so | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | you could make your own with live-sdk. You only need to change a couple of lines in the package list. | 23:02 |
| golinux | Didn't Gnuinos used to be based on mate? | 23:02 |
| fsmithred | he might have a mate build | 23:02 |
| golinux | I clearly remember seeing mate pages on his site | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | beowulf is ob | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | ascii is xfce | 23:04 |
| golinux | It was AntoFox who did the Mate desktop stuff https://gitlab.devuan.org/users/AntoFox/contributed | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | I think avmultimedia uses mate | 23:09 |
| * golinux shudders . . . | 23:09 | |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17659#p17659 | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | dev-1-dash-1 has a mate live-iso, but it's just his personal build. | 23:10 |
| golinux | http://hezeh.org/mate-1.21-on-devuan-beowulf | 23:12 |
| golinux | Couldn't remember hezeh.org | 23:12 |
| golinux | cbthree: ^^^ | 23:13 |
| golinux | http://hezeh.org/mate-desktop-1.22 also | 23:14 |
| golinux | Not a live iso though . . . | 23:14 |
| cbthree | And a live BEOWULF MATE iso is exactly what i am after | 23:15 |
| cbthree | debian 10 has one and it is VERY popular | 23:16 |
| cbthree | a MATE live iso that is | 23:16 |
| golinux | You are free to create one and offer it to the devuan community | 23:22 |
| golinux | So feel free to scratch your itch.! | 23:23 |
| * ShorTie snickers | 23:26 | |
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