| HackphiL | hello friends | 09:01 |
|---|---|---|
| HackphiL | fsmithred ~~> are you there? | 09:01 |
| HackphiL | I'm installing Beowulf with the iso | 09:03 |
| golinux | HackphiL: He won't be awake for several hours | 09:03 |
| HackphiL | several hours?! | 09:04 |
| HackphiL | ;) | 09:04 |
| golinux | 3 or 4 | 09:04 |
| HackphiL | where is he from? | 09:05 |
| golinux | We are on the other side of the pond | 09:05 |
| HackphiL | I'm in Marseille, France | 09:05 |
| golinux | I knew you were French. | 09:05 |
| HackphiL | usa/can | 09:05 |
| golinux | EST | 09:05 |
| HackphiL | Aussies? | 09:06 |
| golinux | No across the pond. In the lunatic asylum | 09:07 |
| golinux | I'm in CST | 09:07 |
| golinux | Need to get to bed. | 09:07 |
| yeti | _o/" | 09:07 |
| golinux | Yes, yeti? Nice to see you before I disappear for for some ZZzzzzzs | 09:08 |
| yeti | sewwt dreams! | 09:09 |
| yeti | wee | 09:09 |
| golinux | See I'm seeing double and very off topic. | 09:09 |
| HackphiL | CST? | 09:09 |
| * golinux pets yeti on the head | 09:09 | |
| yeti | 9:10 here... but I'm under heavy pollen attack... as bad as tired eyes... :-/ | 09:10 |
| golinux | Central Standard Time | 09:10 |
| golinux | No pollen here it's 100+ F every day this week | 09:11 |
| golinux | Byeeee . . . | 09:11 |
| yeti | hre they seem to have nano-umbrellas | 09:11 |
| yeti | not even rain gives a break | 09:11 |
| yeti | bye! _o/" | 09:12 |
| HackphiL | bn golinux | 09:12 |
| HackphiL | gn golinux ;) | 09:13 |
| HackphiL | ZZzzzzzs well | 09:13 |
| HackphiL | yeti ~~> could you help me to install beowulf? | 09:14 |
| HackphiL | I have to shose the softs | 09:14 |
| HackphiL | choose | 09:14 |
| HackphiL | ok for Devuan desktop environment | 09:15 |
| HackphiL | print service | 09:15 |
| HackphiL | utilitaires usuals system | 09:15 |
| HackphiL | ans ssh server | 09:15 |
| HackphiL | s/ans/and | 09:15 |
| HackphiL | have I to seleclect Xfce (default) and Console productivity ? | 09:17 |
| crashoverride | HackphiL: so basically, someone came and selected the French locale for you, so it's not your fault if you just mindlessly copy the screen verbatim? | 09:26 |
| crashoverride | how french... | 09:26 |
| crashoverride | Just for your information, the person selecting the French locale was YOU. | 09:27 |
| crashoverride | and it's on YOU to make yourself easy to understand for those who might try to help you. | 09:27 |
| HackphiL | sorry but my english speaking is so less and bad I don't understand more than 25% you wrote | 09:37 |
| HackphiL | what init system take crashoverride ? | 09:38 |
| HackphiL | sysvinit or | 09:38 |
| HackphiL | openrc ? | 09:38 |
| HackphiL | standard choice... sysvinit | 09:39 |
| HackphiL | installing packages... | 09:40 |
| crashoverride | HackphiL: en gros j'ai écrit que tu devais vraiment faire des efforts pour être compris; et ta réponse, c'est "nan désolé j'ai aucune envie de faire des efforts et je ne te comprends qu'a 25%"? Oo | 09:40 |
| HackphiL | grub on hda | 09:40 |
| crashoverride | seriously. | 09:40 |
| crashoverride | I don't wanna get rude but you make it hard. | 09:40 |
| HackphiL | everyone should have to speak the language he wants there he is and everyone should answer with his choice too. non? | 09:42 |
| HackphiL | s/non?/what do you think about? | 09:43 |
| HackphiL | ;) | 09:43 |
| crashoverride | I think you live in a fantasy world in which translation is a perfect and automated process. | 09:44 |
| crashoverride | so until then, it's on YOU to do the effort of being understood. | 09:44 |
| HackphiL | for me "sorry" is "i beg your pardon" not "désolé" | 09:44 |
| crashoverride | yeah and for me, /ignore is "I don't wanna waste more of my time with you" not "you should not exist" | 09:46 |
| HackphiL | end of install... reboot... lets pray brothers and sisters... ;) | 09:47 |
| crashoverride | also, just for your information "I beg your pardon" literally means "je vous supplie, pardonnez moi" | 09:47 |
| crashoverride | so even if you understand this as "yo, wat?", it's actually still meaning "désolé" | 09:48 |
| HackphiL | I think, "désolé" is became a kind of "go to hell or never mind the bollocks" | 09:48 |
| HackphiL | all seems ok | 09:55 |
| xrogaan | I know devuan forks the udev package, so I'm asking here first: how do I get the version of uded? | 12:06 |
| xrogaan | udev? | 12:06 |
| xrogaan | apt show output: Version: 1:3.2.7+devuan1.1 | 12:07 |
| gnarface | the which version? | 12:07 |
| xrogaan | but udevadm --version output 220 | 12:07 |
| xrogaan | found an issue with some rule: udevd[425]: invalid key/value pair in file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-steam-input.rules on line 42, starting at character 82 ('u') | 12:07 |
| xrogaan | which I intent to report, but I'm not sure about the version of udev shipped with devuan | 12:08 |
| xrogaan | offending line is: KERNEL=="input*", ATTRS{name}=="Lic Pro Controller", RUN{program}+="/bin/sh -c \"udevadm test-builtin uaccess /sys/%p/../../hidraw/hidraw*\"" | 12:08 |
| gnarface | the fork is called eudev | 12:08 |
| gnarface | you can check current versions here: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 12:08 |
| xrogaan | shouldn't apt tell me that? | 12:09 |
| gnarface | well, sure, it can too | 12:09 |
| xrogaan | apt-file list eudev doesn't output anything. | 12:09 |
| gnarface | interesting, but apt-file doesn't have a history of actually working so that's not a big hint | 12:10 |
| xrogaan | seems like you misunderstood. Not the fork of udev, the fork of the package. | 12:10 |
| gnarface | you're correct, i'm still not sure what you're asking for | 12:10 |
| xrogaan | as in devuan repackage some stuff to get rid of systemd | 12:10 |
| xrogaan | well, devuan's version isn't the same as the output of the command line | 12:11 |
| xrogaan | oh, is it because it's the version of systemd and not actual udev? | 12:11 |
| gnarface | i dunno, but part of the reason i recommended pkginfo.devuan.org was so i didn't have to think about it | 12:12 |
| gnarface | https://git.devuan.org/ are you looking for this? | 12:12 |
| gnarface | all the parts that aren't in a actual package, including the parts the build the packages, should be here | 12:13 |
| gnarface | version 1:3.2.7+devuan1.1 might be a transitional meta-package that points to eudev, so the version wouldn't match | 12:14 |
| xrogaan | I think you somehow guided me towards an understanding. I have to report the "thing" that manage the peripherals and its version. | 12:15 |
| fsmithred | xrogaan, cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/eudev.list | 12:44 |
| fsmithred | cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/libeudev1\:amd64.list | 12:44 |
| xrogaan | indeed | 12:45 |
| xrogaan | should replace cat with less or more though ;) | 12:45 |
| fsmithred | I don't see 60-steam | 12:45 |
| xrogaan | it's from valve's repo | 12:45 |
| xrogaan | if you want to use steam, you have to use their repo for a proper support of *everything*. | 12:46 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I don't mess with that. | 12:46 |
| fsmithred | I'm happy with freecell | 12:46 |
| xrogaan | 3d stuff is a pain on linux distro. They've made an excellent job of providing a stable base for everybody. | 12:47 |
| gnarface | xrogaan: false, it'll break shit. use the version in the repo | 12:54 |
| gnarface | xrogaan: the version in the devuan repo | 12:54 |
| gnarface | xrogaan: you'll still need to alter the udev rules though if you intend to use a steam controller fully | 12:55 |
| gnarface | it's non-obvious what the rules need to do, but i can help with that probably if you need it | 12:55 |
| xrogaan | what does it break? | 12:58 |
| gnarface | several of the games, and occasionally your system upgrade | 12:58 |
| xrogaan | I use steam-launcher, which is just a bootstrapper to install steam itself. | 12:59 |
| gnarface | the one from their site is packaged for ubuntu, so aside from some version conflicts it can cause dependency corruption | 12:59 |
| xrogaan | the list of files installed are icons, a bash script, .desktop file and some udev rules. | 12:59 |
| xrogaan | It isn't though. | 12:59 |
| gnarface | it also bundles several libraries that are in conflict with native debian versions | 13:00 |
| xrogaan | it's self contained and depends on generally available software, like curl, apt or xterm | 13:00 |
| gnarface | so they cause persistent crashing of certain games, or occasionally the client itself, depending | 13:00 |
| gnarface | yea the "self-contained" part is a source of a lot of the compatibility problems actually | 13:01 |
| gnarface | it would have worked out overall better if they hadn't don that | 13:01 |
| gnarface | done that* | 13:01 |
| gnarface | anyway, whatever works for you | 13:01 |
| gnarface | just don't say i didn't warn you | 13:01 |
| xrogaan | I've been using this thing for over a year... | 13:02 |
| gnarface | i've been using it since they launched steam on linux so maybe you've just been lucky | 13:03 |
| gnarface | a year on the same release, right? | 13:03 |
| gnarface | so you haven't even passed it through a major upgrade yet, have you? | 13:04 |
| xrogaan | The only package in the repo is the steam launcher. | 13:04 |
| gnarface | it's in non-free | 13:04 |
| xrogaan | in valve's repo | 13:05 |
| gnarface | no, i mean in the devuan repo, the one called just "steam" is the one you need, it's in non-free | 13:05 |
| xrogaan | The content of the Package files from valve's repository: http://dpaste.com/2EYXPE2 | 13:06 |
| xrogaan | They made something called steam-runtime in which they start some games, it isn't installed system wide. | 13:07 |
| ham5urg | What happened to devuan.org? | 13:36 |
| ham5urg | $ ping devuan.org | 13:36 |
| ham5urg | ping: devuan.org: Name or service not known | 13:36 |
| absinthe | ham5urg: it's working for me | 13:37 |
| ham5urg | some DNS-problem of my provider I guess. Maybe not refreshing fast enough. | 13:37 |
| absinthe | yep perhaps | 13:38 |
| zalckos | The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged testing-security Release' does not have a Release file. | 14:05 |
| zalckos | should I use beowulf-security instead? | 14:06 |
| xrogaan | ham5urg: `host devuan.org 8.8.8.8` to use google's dns | 14:07 |
| xrogaan | zalckos: beowulf is stable | 14:08 |
| zalckos | yes I know | 14:08 |
| xrogaan | So testing-security doesn't land on beowulf anymore. | 14:08 |
| zalckos | I've set everything to testing | 14:09 |
| zalckos | except for security, because it gives me a 404 | 14:09 |
| zalckos | (when I apt update) | 14:10 |
| xrogaan | yes, there is no security update for testing. | 14:10 |
| xrogaan | Wouldn't make sense to have any | 14:10 |
| zalckos | ah so I should just comment out those lines? | 14:10 |
| xrogaan | maybe I'm wrong | 14:15 |
| xrogaan | there is a debian testing-security. | 14:15 |
| zalckos | well, after doing so, and performing an update, no changes in my packages occurred | 14:16 |
| xrogaan | devuan doesn't seem to mirror it though. | 14:16 |
| zalckos | hm yeah, at the very least it's confusing | 14:17 |
| zalckos | https://devuan.org/os/packages doesn't clarify things either | 14:18 |
| xrogaan | the content of testing-security is empty though | 14:19 |
| xrogaan | So no need to mirror an empty repo | 14:20 |
| xrogaan | testing would most probably upgrade to the latest version instead of writing a security patch | 14:21 |
| xrogaan | debian security is really just that: back porting security fixes into stable without changing the major version. | 14:21 |
| xrogaan | So I'd say you can safely comment testing-security | 14:22 |
| zalckos | with the knowledge I have about it, I'd agree with you, thanks | 14:25 |
| xrogaan | if you're concerned, you can always subscribe to https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | debian testing-security Contents file is empty | 14:42 |
| ham5urg | anyone here who got a md-raid to boot via efi-grub? | 14:52 |
| ham5urg | I have two md-raids, one for /boot, one for /. | 14:53 |
| ham5urg | I chrooted into my debootstraped devuan-installation and mounted the efi partition to /mnt. grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --removable --boot-directory=/boot --efi-directory=/mnt | 14:54 |
| ham5urg | But no grub appears when I pull the disks into another machine. | 14:55 |
| untakenstupidnic | i don't really like to brawl and the developers perhaps had good intentions when making the live image but | 16:49 |
| untakenstupidnic | fuck you, when i have unchecked cleanup.sh (whatever that is) and i have specified that i don't want the installation system to format my partition, i am normally supposed to be wanting to keep my files | 16:50 |
| untakenstupidnic | why the f should it delete my files when there is more than enough space | 16:51 |
| untakenstupidnic | what kind of common sense is that | 16:52 |
| Bjornn | non hostile hostility I guess it's a thing | 17:56 |
| nemo | ugh. I hate VMWare so very much | 19:02 |
| nemo | https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/downloads/details?downloadGroup=CART21FQ1_LIN64_541&productId=863&rPId=47873 - released 2020-04-09... I'm like. hm. must be from this year, I can remove my ascii pin on opensc | 19:03 |
| nemo | nope. | 19:03 |
| nemo | segfault in CRYPTO_THREAD_write_lock in libcrypto.so.1.1 invoked by opensc | 19:04 |
| nemo | well... in all fairness at this point the bug might be in opensc/libcrypto in devuan | 19:04 |
| nemo | I tried libcoolkey and while it didn't crash, it couldn't reliably read the card either | 19:04 |
| nemo | sooo reinstalling the ascii opensc-pkcs11 | 19:05 |
| nemo | which worked perfectly | 19:05 |
| nemo | that said, I'm betting the problem is really VMWare since they force their own libssl.1.0.2 and libcrypto.1.0.2 - and if I use the system ones instead, no more PKCS crashes BUT they now foul up the server certificate exchange | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | untakenstupidnic, normally, you don't want to install an operating system on a partition that already has an operating system. | 19:17 |
| yeti | normally... | 19:20 |
| yeti | but... | 19:20 |
| fsmithred | I can't actually think of a case where you would want to do that | 19:22 |
| yeti | add an os to a formaer /home partition? | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I guess | 19:23 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I have in fact done that ☺ | 19:26 |
| nemo | fsmithred: also... a couple of times I've upgraded without rebooting | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | what do you mean? | 19:27 |
| Pr0metheus | are you guys also signing pdf documents using cards with certificates? I haven't found a solution to this | 19:27 |
| nemo | fsmithred: switched from.. man, I forget now, some redhat-y thing back in the day to gentoo by installing it over existing setup | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | nemo, that sounds like a very bad idea | 19:27 |
| nemo | ☺ | 19:27 |
| nemo | fsmithred: worked. and. eh. home machine. I distinctly remember someone mentioning doing same thing | 19:27 |
| nemo | maybe unc0rr | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | going for maximum cruft? | 19:28 |
| nemo | heh | 19:28 |
| untakenstupidnic | fsmithred, the fact that only a minority would do that is not an excuse for non-intuitive shit. if i wanted to delete my files, wouldn't it be faster to format it than having them rm'ed one by one? | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | ok, so now I have to remember why the deletes are in the rsync command | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | it's been like that for 8 or 9 years | 19:29 |
| yeti | If I say "dont format" I expect the data not to vanish | 19:30 |
| yeti | . | 19:30 |
| yeti | every other move is unintuitive | 19:30 |
| yeti | I think I'll never trust an installer... in the penguindimension | 19:31 |
| fsmithred | I'm suspicious of all of them | 19:32 |
| * yeti will take over the world from an eshell prompt! | 19:33 | |
| fsmithred | installer is going to be updated very soon for another reaon, and I will remove the --delete-before from the rysnc command. The --delete-excludes will stay. | 19:38 |
| untakenstupidnic | what damage would have been done by choosing calamares or ubiquity? | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | I know nothing about ubiquity. I did take a look at calamares, but I don't know any reason to switch to it. | 19:41 |
| untakenstupidnic | it deleted my files | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you had backups. | 19:42 |
| untakenstupidnic | i pkilled it midway, that was just a reason if you wanted one | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | there are lots of ways to screw up during an install | 19:43 |
| untakenstupidnic | it is still better get rid of one of them, meanwhile avoiding potential problems in a less tested system with at least one obvious bug. | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | which one are you saying is less tested? | 19:49 |
| untakenstupidnic | the thing you use on devuan. calamares is used on kubuntu, manjaro, etc. | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | I have no idea which one has been used more. Calamares is fairly new. | 19:54 |
| untakenstupidnic | there is still ubiquity, also there are so many people developing it and so many eyes finding bugs in it and i haven't heard of it having such problems. | 20:03 |
| untakenstupidnic | however, anyone is free to do whatever they want, it is just advice and it doesn't benefit me in anyway. | 20:03 |
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