libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2020-08-18

tuxd3vdev1galaxy.org seems to be unavailable01:46
golinuxtuxd3v: Has been for almost a full day01:50
sgageYes, it's been down for many hours. They know about it, and will fix it ASAP01:52
golinuxBottleneck is dyne who controls the domain01:52
sgageAre we waiting for a new IP address to propagate out into DNS land? It has been a while...01:55
tuxd3vgolinux, thanks for the info :)01:56
golinuxThe new dns hasn't been entered yet afaik so no propagation possible.  Waiting on dyne to get back from holiday.01:58
sgageLet02:02
sgageLet's all have a holiday!02:03
systemdleteranix:  Sorry got busy with other things03:23
systemdleteI also get the crash.  It just takes a minute or so after doing "run" in guestfish to find out what the fs layout is on the disk.03:24
systemdleteranix:  Try this.  export LIBGUESTFS_BACKEND_SETTINGS=force_tcg03:29
systemdletethen run guestmount or guestfish.  I find it works if that is set.  If you are running these programs while virtualbox is running, it runs into a qemu bug.  See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1277744#c603:30
systemdlete(and btw, I've been looking high and low for such a tool.  Thanks for this tip!)03:30
thanatielHi. It seems packages.roundr.devuan.org is down, so is dev1galaxy.org07:43
onefangWe are aware of that.  First of all use deb.devuan.org instead of packages.roundr.devuan.org.  dev1galaxy.org has to wait for the people with the keys to that to fix it.07:48
thanatielthat's the thing : packages.roundr.devuan.org isn't listed anywhere in my source list files.08:01
golinuxMaybe sources.list.d?08:08
thanatielyes, I've looked into all the files08:13
thanatielthe issue happened after the last entry was printed (one from llvm)08:13
thanatielI don't know if there is something else outside of /etc/apt08:14
thanatielbut I've grepped roundr recursively : nothing08:14
thanatielnow that apt update worked, I've blocked packages.roundr.devuan.org and it still works.  Maybe something was in a cache and got removed after it succeded?  I cannot investigate further.  Good day all.08:24
onefangdev1galaxy.org is back.  If it isn't for you, then you might have to wait for DNS propagation to you DNS server, or clearing out your INS cache.  Coz the IP changed.09:05
* onefang repeats that with less typos. lol09:06
onefangdev1galaxy.org is back.  If it isn't for you, then you might have to wait for DNS propagation to your DNS server, or clearing out your DNS cache.  Coz the IP changed.09:06
useranyone around?11:26
userproblems with beowulf and suspend/locking11:27
FlibberTGibbetwas looking in release notes for whatever's affecting reboot in beowulf/lightdm (afaik legacy boot mode here). can anyone advise why it sticks? appears to be just after acpdi halts during the shutdown part of reboot...13:36
fsmithredFlibberTGibbet, is the system encrypted or using lvm?14:37
fsmithredif so, install cryptsetup-modified-functions, which is currently in beowulf-proposed-updates14:38
* enyc meows16:23
FlibberTGibbetfsmithred: not so far as I know17:07
FlibberTGibbeti certainly didn't set up encryption or lvm on install, just used fdisk to make an ext4 partition for boot and used the existing swap partition17:07
FlibberTGibbetunless beowulf 'does a Mint' and defaults to encryption :)17:08
fsmithredFlibberTGibbet, how are you calling the reboot? From the desktop menu/buttons, lightdm buttons, or terminal command?17:08
FlibberTGibbetsudo shutdown -r now and the xfce logout menu17:08
fsmithredMint defaults to encryption??  Holy shit.17:08
fsmithredand you have all the right 'kits?17:08
fsmithredelogind or consolekit?17:09
FlibberTGibbetit murdered my wife's data -- one day i ran an update after she'd changed passwords, they'd done something crucial to how encryption was handled, and i still haven't figured out the correct chroot procedure to restore her lost data :/17:09
FlibberTGibbetwhich is of the two is default on beowulf?17:10
fsmithredusually elogind17:10
FlibberTGibbetelogind is running as a service so that tallies17:10
fsmithredthere should also be libpam-elogind and libpolkit-*-elogind-* where the first star is gobject or backend (you need both)17:11
fsmithredand policykit-1-gnome17:12
FlibberTGibbetyup, all present and accounted for17:15
fsmithreddid you add a line to /etc/pam.d/lightdm-greeter?17:19
fsmithredI thought that was just for the lightdm buttons, but maybe it's for desktop, too.17:19
fsmithrednot sure17:19
FlibberTGibbetno, haven't done that. is it written up anywhere?17:23
fsmithredrelease notes, but hang on17:23
fsmithredsession   optional pam_elogind.so17:23
fsmithred^^^ add that line17:23
FlibberTGibbetdone. then logout, login and try rebooting again?17:25
fsmithredyou might need to reboot to get it to apply - or 'init 1'17:26
FlibberTGibbettrying nowe17:27
FlibberTGibbets/nowe/now17:27
FlibberTGibbetsadly the same old story17:29
fsmithredI was afraid that would be the case17:30
FlibberTGibbetthanks for trying though. did confirm with a quick peek at bios settings that it's booting in legacy mode17:30
fsmithredit's very weird that it doesn't work from terminal17:30
fsmithredshutdown command does not need all that kit stuff17:31
FlibberTGibbetsame result basically however I request a reboot17:31
fsmithredwas just gonna ask17:31
FlibberTGibbetreboot / shutdown -r now / clicky-pointy-land17:31
FlibberTGibbetnothing i can't live with, just odd that it worked under ascii and ascii->beowulf17:32
FlibberTGibbetor however it'd been upgraded before17:33
fsmithredI have had a few instances of shutdown (halt) doing all that it should except power off17:34
fsmithredbut not consistently17:34
FlibberTGibbetgood point. haven't tried that17:34
fsmithredpoweroff does work when I've used it17:34
FlibberTGibbetthat works. which is at least half a clean reboot :)17:35
fsmithredlol17:35
fsmithredwhich works, halt or poweroff?17:35
FlibberTGibbetboth, it seems17:35
fsmithredhuh, so it's just rebooting that's broken?17:36
FlibberTGibbetyup17:36
fsmithredwild guess: maybe something specific about that hardware17:36
fsmithredmaybe some acpi-related package is needed17:37
FlibberTGibbetcould be. although it was working until I borked the beowulf->capoeira update17:37
FlibberTGibbetcrimea17:37
FlibberTGibbetwhatevs17:37
fsmithredoh, you're running chimaera?17:37
FlibberTGibbetno, i tried and had so much cruft installed, half manually, that it fell over. so this is a beowulf installation onto a clean, formatted  partition17:38
fsmithredyou took the default settings at the tasksel window?17:39
FlibberTGibbetexcept for keyboard and locale :)17:39
fsmithredyeah, I mean the desktop settings - you got xfce. Did you add lightdm after the initial install?17:39
FlibberTGibbetyes17:39
FlibberTGibbetah. haven't purged slim yet, though lightdm is set as default. might that be getting in the way?17:40
fsmithrednot likely17:40
FlibberTGibbetok17:40
fsmithredmy beowulf with lightdm uses openbox, so I don't have any shutdown buttons17:41
FlibberTGibbettravelling light :)17:41
fsmithredoh, I'll try shutdown -r now17:41
fsmithredI use sudo halt, sudo reboot17:41
FlibberTGibbetok17:41
fsmithredthis is just one of many test VMs17:41
FlibberTGibbetright you are17:43
fsmithredwhich?17:43
FlibberTGibbetwas just acknowledging that you're using one of the VMs17:44
FlibberTGibbetguess it's time to start cooking dinner. thanks for the help fsmithred -- will see what I can find out17:47
fsmithredyw17:47
fsmithredgood luck17:47
openbsdtai123hello, I have a sda1 with lilo running slackware, I would like to create a diretory on sda1 /devuan and to boot from chroot on /devuan, is  it possible? I will run grub to boot it ?18:39
r3bootopenbsdtai123: create an extra filesystem, debootstrap devuan onto there, mount it under /devuan and off you go. Not really something that's supported tho :)18:40
openbsdtai123debootstrap done and all working.18:43
openbsdtai123But how can you tell grub that the system needs to start from /devuan over grub?18:43
openbsdtai123Please find my grub instllation....18:43
r3bootdid you create a separate filesystem to install devuan on?18:44
openbsdtai123 grub: http://openbsdtai123.scienceontheweb.net/grub/18:44
openbsdtai123I have sda1 with slackware installed, but I would like my devuan on sda1 /devuan including the dev.18:44
openbsdtai123I konw that this is possible becasue it is being done on android for debian.18:44
r3bootyou need to install devuan on sda2, and then grub will find the install.18:45
r3bootyou could try to manually configure grub.cfg to detect the kernels under /devuan tho, see 40_custom for that (out of the top of my head)18:45
openbsdtai123sda2 is openbsd, I need to have /devuan on sda1 and run it from there usin gchroot CHROOT18:45
r3bootnot possible; It's either chroot + /devuan, or sdaX + grub18:48
r3booteven if you manage to get the kernel to boot, the kernel wants a blockdevice as the root filesystem. And since slackware is on the root of that filesystem, it's gonna try to boot slackware; Chroot is functionality you have availabl /after/ you've booted your OS (or you need to modify the kernel, or pull a trick I dont know)18:49
openbsdtai123what is meaned by chroot + devuan, you mean you need to run first a linux and then to chroot it... ?18:49
r3bootyes, exactly18:50
openbsdtai123ah I see18:50
openbsdtai123yeah it needs sbin init, etc... and all stuf.18:50
r3bootyeah, that18:50
openbsdtai123Can the kernel be recompiled to have chroot?18:50
openbsdtai123did linus planned this?18:50
r3bootnot that I know of18:50
r3bootis sda3 free? Maybe if you shrink sda1 and/or sda2 ?18:51
r3bootb/c that is the most easy route18:51
r3boot(another route is virtualization btw, especially if you're just trying out different os's)18:51
openbsdtai123sda1 slack, sda2 openbsd , and sd3/4 windows 8. I need however devuan from a harddisk (to have it fast). devuan runs way too slow on MMC and SD  Sanedisk.18:54
openbsdtai123my grub and installatino is available at http://openbsdtai123.scienceontheweb.net/netbsd19:01
parabyteim having a weird issue with wifi on my devuan box, im getting no errors on dmesg or any logs in /var/log. i am at a total loss for my problem23:02
parabytefor example wifi sometimes wont connect with wicd and when it does i cant even ping my router23:02
parabyteim getting given a ip by the router and route checks out fine for default route etc etc23:02
parabyteanyone else had this issue?23:03
masonparabyte: That can sometimes be external interference. If you sometimes connect unproblematically and nothing changes, I'd wonder about sources of radiation that might be getting into the fray.23:07
masonparabyte: It might also be worth looking at your dhcp server's logs to see if anything shows up there. wifi can be persnickety.23:07
parabytemason, its a weird issue cause i sometimes dhcp works fine but i am still unable to ping my router, um can you suggest any logs i can tail -f and watch when the issues shows up again23:09
parabytei am using the laptop with the issue23:09
parabytethe weirdest thing is the fault happens with an external usb adaptor too23:10
masonparabyte: You'll see client logs from dhcp in /var/log/syslog.23:14
parabyteyeah i looked at syslog first and its literally reporting no errors, but i will watch it closely see if this bug shows up, bug or hardware fault, but its doing it on my builtin pcie adaptor and my usb adaptor23:16
parabytejust weird23:16
parabyteand i am in a rural location23:16
gnarfaceparabyte: make sure dhcp handshake is even finishing when that happens... i've had certain routers expose timing issues, but your initial description of the problem does strongly point to some sort of active or passive signal interference (most common sources aside from illegal jamming equipment are leaky microwave doors, air conditioning/refrigeration units with wiring faults, and just plain old spectrum crowding)23:17
parabytemy access point is on channel 6 and the other access point nearby is channel 123:17
parabytei am using a huawei lte router that i do not have much faith in!23:17
gnarfaceparabyte: one thing that might eliminate the suspicion of interference would be if you were to discover that the dhcp handshake in those cases was never actually completing, just initializing and timing out23:17
gnarfaceparabyte: (or if you were to discover that the dhcp handshake completes and you can actually get a few pings through before it disconnects, that would split the odds 50:50)23:18
parabyteyeah i was getting that behaviour of only a few pings then the interface just gave up and i got ping timeouts, or no pings at all to my default route, aka my router23:19
gnarfaceparabyte: living in a rural area usually eliminates sources of spectrum crowding but only usually... i've been in a few rural areas in my day and the thing that stands out about rural areas is that they don't have a lot of FCC oversight either, so AM radio and power stations tend to frequently emit dangerous levels of RF for miles around for years at a time without anyone even noticing despite the anomalously high23:21
gnarfacecancer rates everyone blames on the water instead23:21
gnarfaceparabyte: so also ask yourself how close the nearest substation and radio towers are... plug an unshielded RCA patch cable into a stereo does it go BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT real loud?23:22
parabytegnarface, i live approx 4 miles as the bird flies from a major tv transmission station23:22
gnarfaceand you have line of sight to it i suppose?23:22
parabytealmost yes23:22
gnarfacedo you have a basement?23:22
parabyteno23:23
gnarfacei would be curious if the wifi signal would improve if you just had some dirt between you and the tower23:23
gnarfacestill, it'd be odd for just one tv station to cause that type of interference unless something was really wrong there23:23
gnarfacegot any other hardware to swap out to test with?23:23
parabytelet me pastebin a small section of my syslog so you can see whats happening23:24
golinuxFaraday cage?23:24
gnarfacei did once run into a wifi router that just had minimum cpu requirements for connected clients23:24
masonI'd tend not to think it's flaky hardware on the laptop side if you have two different devices doing the same thing.23:24
parabytedhcp is timing out when its not working23:24
masonparabyte: But it's associated?23:24
parabyteyeah23:24
parabyteand also to the other access point nearby im getting the same issue23:24
parabyteon internal wlan and external usb wlan23:24
gnarfacebut i've also heard of bad wiring in old air conditioner units actually being able to cause the same amount of interference as military-grade radio-jamming tech23:25
gnarfaceit's rare for it to keep working under those conditions but not unheard of23:25
masonparabyte: Beowulf ships wavemon if you want to install that and give it a look.23:26
parabytehttps://pastebin.com/KkPr19Xh23:26
parabytegnarface, my issue only happens at random periods23:27
parabyteright now i am connected with the builtin wlan on my laptop23:27
masonparabyte: Can you use bpaste.net or termbin.com or something that's not going to throw a captcha at me to see your paste? :P23:27
parabytemason, thanks i will install wavemon23:27
parabyteno problem mason23:27
parabytethe paste does not really contain any useful information but you might see something i do not see23:27
parabytehttps://bpa.st/YW4Q23:28
masonThat does *seem* associated.23:28
masondoesn't*23:29
parabytebut if i look at iwconfig it says i am associated23:29
parabytethanks everyone for the suggestion, soon as the issue shows up again, ill fireup wavemon or airodump perhaps that will show me something interesting,23:34
parabytethanks gnarface and mason for your time23:34
parabyte:)23:34
masonparabyte: It's worth getting some healthy baseline from wavemon too.23:34
parabytethis is my output from wavemon i did a screenshot easiest way for me to capture it23:37
parabytehttps://pasteall.org/media/a/f/af132be2e051b7e32f4c960db978dcbb.png23:37
masonWhat's "hidden" there?23:37
parabyteyou mean the garbled display?23:38
masonIt's on the same channel as your Huawei.23:38
parabyteoh the wifi23:38
parabyteits the huawei router23:38
parabytei cant disable the hidden wifi!23:38
parabytei tried and also researched it online23:38
masonIt's odd to me that it would show up twice, once hidden.23:38
masonAnd both on the same channel can't help.23:38
parabytethey both have different bssid23:39
masonSince we see 1 and 6, maybe reconfigure your access point to be way further up in channels.23:39
masonThey're running over each other now.23:39
parabytemason, ill do that now! i just thought channel 6 was far enough away from the other access point23:39
masonBoth are roughly equivalent signal strength, with the one you want a bit less.23:40
parabyteill be back in a bit im going to have a play with my router23:42
parabyteThanks for all the suggestions23:42
* gnarface has experienced both the leaky microwave scenario and the neighbors with illegal jamming equipment scenario23:45

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