| xrogaan | I'm so tired about debian's firefox LTS being so damn old. | 00:35 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | xrogaan: i think there's a newer one in backports | 00:45 |
| gnarface | xrogaan: this time it is not a mess entirely of Debian's making. Google and Mozilla did this together by forcing a rust dependency on the firefox builds during the beowulf freeze | 00:46 |
| Unit193 | I think newer firefox requires llvm and some others in order to build, so I don't believe it'll be in backports. | 00:48 |
| xrogaan | No, the latest esr provided by mozilla is simply that old and debian doesn't package other versions of the browser. | 00:49 |
| xrogaan | I takes time until the next ESR is released I suppose. | 00:59 |
| Unit193 | firefox proper is in unstable, at least. | 01:00 |
| Xelraa | even if you just dl the binary ff release and use it with a regular user it will update itself automatically | 01:13 |
| Xelraa | ff and chrome update so often there isnt even a point of a package anymore | 01:14 |
| Xelraa | you just cant keep up these roll out some updates like every 2 weeks | 01:14 |
| gnarface | well, the internal packaging audit by Debian staff still has some quality control value, though admittedly they are in decline | 01:15 |
| gnarface | once upon a time that shit was like the nintendo seal of quality though | 01:16 |
| gnarface | i would still trust it slightly more than whatever mozilla decided to go live with after less than even a full work day of review | 01:17 |
| markizano | having an issue with updating an aptly mirror... | 01:28 |
| markizano | seems constant... | 01:28 |
| markizano | ERROR: unable to update: http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/beowulf-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: size check mismatch 283298 != 282749 | 01:28 |
| markizano | ^ I do a cURL request against that URL and the header for `Content-Length` matches the size of the file. | 01:28 |
| markizano | Is somebody deploying updates to the environment or something? | 01:28 |
| markizano | seems like size keeps changing though over a few requests... | 01:29 |
| markizano | keeps happening between amd64 and i386 | 01:29 |
| gnarface | markizano: it could be that you just caught the file being updated right now, however earlier there was some questions about whether ceres was still updating so all bets are off right now | 01:31 |
| gnarface | markizano: if this is an ugent matter try one of the other mirrors in the round-robin | 01:31 |
| gnarface | markizano: (if it's only one of the mirrors doing this, it's usually transient) | 01:31 |
| markizano | hrmm... ok | 01:35 |
| markizano | will try in an hour or so... | 01:35 |
| markizano | thanks, gnarface ! | 01:35 |
| markizano | ha! speak of the devil.. it just worked xD | 01:35 |
| markizano | (had a previous invocation running as I was typing out question) | 01:36 |
| markizano | So, do updates normally happen at 23:00 UTC ? or 00:00 UTC ? | 01:36 |
| gnarface | markizano: you're welcome - dunno, every two hours or something maybe i vaguely recall hearing? | 01:36 |
| fsmithred | I think they happen every two minutes | 01:36 |
| gnarface | oh, 2 minutes not hours | 01:37 |
| markizano | :O | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | um, that's amprolla | 01:37 |
| gnarface | markizano: i sometimes get the same error from my apt proxy though | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | sorry. Mirrors are hours. | 01:37 |
| markizano | ok | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | maybe 2 or 4 hours. Not sure, and they're probably not all the same. | 01:37 |
| gnarface | markizano: i think by default apt-cacher-ng updates every 5 minutes and i've experienced it causing the same error occasionally. usually goes away a few minutes later | 01:38 |
| gnarface | markizano: (but goes away immediately if i temporarily disable the proxy) | 01:39 |
| markizano | hrmm... okies | 01:39 |
| gnarface | i dunno if linode would be proxying without telling you but worth looking into | 01:40 |
| gnarface | transparent proxying might be a "free service" | 01:41 |
| gnarface | "transparent" | 01:41 |
| gnarface | heh | 01:41 |
| rrq | fwiw, most mirrors seem to update themselves on a half-hour cycle, except one that seems to be using a 4-times-a-day schedule | 01:56 |
| n4dir | So i got this third party repository, librazik, audio-stuff, which you are told to install on top of debian. I assume it would not be possible to add that respository to devuan? | 03:46 |
| gnarface | n4dir: possible but ill advised to varying degrees depending on how much their software depends on debian package that are banned in devuan | 03:47 |
| gnarface | n4dir: if it doesn't use systemd at all, it might work fine | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | n4dir, pin it to a lower priority and pay attention to versions of whatever else it pulls in | 03:47 |
| n4dir | gnarface: so i guess i could add the repo, try to install what i think i need, add -s --simultate and look at the output? | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | or use -s to see what it would install | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | then install those things from devuan repo | 03:48 |
| n4dir | so at least it is worth a try? thats all i ask for | 03:48 |
| n4dir | okay. | 03:48 |
| gnarface | n4dir: yea, and then make sure to remove the repo again after you're done getting whatever you needed from there | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | yeah, just be careful | 03:48 |
| n4dir | this is a test laptopt only anyway. So if it goes south no biggie. Will go for another machine next | 03:48 |
| n4dir | thanks folks. | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | I know you can handle it | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | what's the repo - I might try it | 03:49 |
| n4dir | i don't really know how devuan/debian-systemd/dependencies/such relate to each other. | 03:49 |
| n4dir | librazik. | 03:49 |
| n4dir | wait | 03:49 |
| n4dir | deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/librazik/pasapas LZK-PAP-users main contrib non-free | 03:50 |
| fsmithred | do you know what version of ubuntu it goes with? | 03:50 |
| fsmithred | or debian | 03:50 |
| n4dir | take care to not install librazik-apt-fr. Or you will have to learn french | 03:50 |
| n4dir | debian stable | 03:50 |
| fsmithred | lol | 03:50 |
| gnarface | n4dir: note that *ubuntu* repos might also work but add additional risk because their packages aren't always named 1:1 the same as debians, nor necessarily have dependencies mapped the same | 03:51 |
| n4dir | gnarface: yeah, as in forums and such the problems of ubuntu-debian mixing occur a lot, i asked. | 03:52 |
| n4dir | I will give it a try later. They got cool software, in case one cares for audio | 03:52 |
| n4dir | not in debian, not in ubuntu, it seems. | 03:52 |
| gnarface | :-/ there's usually a good reason | 03:52 |
| gnarface | sometimes it's just licensing but sometimes it's because the repo is known for a history of wrecking installs | 03:53 |
| n4dir | nah, in this case it is probably only missing manpower | 03:53 |
| fsmithred | oh, need the gpg key | 03:54 |
| n4dir | i mainly care for carla, or cadence, which does what qjackctl does, but a bit more easy | 03:54 |
| n4dir | the repo has it i think | 03:54 |
| n4dir | librazik-keyring | 03:55 |
| fsmithred | nope | 03:58 |
| fsmithred | or I can't get it until I update | 03:59 |
| fsmithred | catch 22 | 03:59 |
| n4dir | http://download.tuxfamily.org/librazik/pasapas/ | 03:59 |
| n4dir | probably thats why they told me to first get the keyring from that site and then add the repos. | 03:59 |
| n4dir | in the installation guide, not directly ... | 04:00 |
| fsmithred | what package to install? | 04:01 |
| n4dir | librazik-keyring_3_all.deb ? | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | that's already installed and cache is updated | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | there are 40 packages with librazik in the name | 04:01 |
| n4dir | ah, duh. You mean which package to try? | 04:02 |
| n4dir | Yeah, zynaddsubfx is from them and has the shiny new interface. Also i care for carla (or cadence) | 04:02 |
| n4dir | helm perhaps. | 04:02 |
| n4dir | Just try if it works at all, i will look at it later, assuming the house won't burn down for you | 04:02 |
| n4dir | none of them is in debian repos (zyn is, but the old version) | 04:03 |
| fsmithred | libasound2 and libc6 in beowulf are more than new enough for helm | 04:04 |
| n4dir | so helm would work? | 04:04 |
| fsmithred | I think so | 04:04 |
| n4dir | systemd troubles i mean. --- Ah, thats cool already. Try carla if you got the time, please | 04:04 |
| n4dir | cause for the life of me i can't make qjackctl start jack on that stoneage laptop, and it seems helm can work with alsa too | 04:05 |
| n4dir | No ams ! The tragedy ! | 04:05 |
| gnarface | well, you might have to write an init script but there's really nothing to it | 04:05 |
| n4dir | gnarface: sorry, init script for? | 04:05 |
| gnarface | n4dir: any daemons that are expecting to be started by systemd instead if these guys have removed the old scripts from their repos | 04:06 |
| n4dir | ah. I start to understand. Ok. | 04:06 |
| n4dir | ok -> thanks | 04:06 |
| gnarface | hopefully the infestation isn't any worse than that | 04:06 |
| gnarface | because that, you can fix with just a text editor | 04:07 |
| fsmithred | looks like ascii versions might be new enough | 04:07 |
| n4dir | ascii is what debian calls old-stable? | 04:07 |
| fsmithred | yeah, stretch | 04:08 |
| n4dir | i will fool around with it, then put devuan on the other old laptop with more horsepower (512 of RAM, holy-moly), then go on | 04:09 |
| n4dir | the other laptop has still a working CD drive, so at least no debootstrap stuff | 04:09 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, make a snapshot before you mess up the system | 04:10 |
| fsmithred | in case you want to reinstall | 04:10 |
| n4dir | btw: that librazik stuff is only on top of, not necessary. I got more than enough in the usual repos. | 04:10 |
| n4dir | as you use audacity. That is not something you learn in 5 minutes. I am fine with what i got. | 04:11 |
| n4dir | synthesizers are really cool though. As you said you do stuff with "radio". Nice background noises | 04:11 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I don't need anything new, but maybe I'll take a look. | 04:12 |
| n4dir | apt-cache show librazik-logiciels-all | 04:12 |
| fsmithred | you should continue making noise comositions | 04:12 |
| n4dir | i think, not sure, that is *all* the audio software they offer | 04:13 |
| n4dir | Yeah. It is lots of fun. But you really get very weird by it. modular synthesizers are really strange. But the already prestent alsa modular synthesizer is fine. Doesn't look that shiny though | 04:13 |
| n4dir | i really like: seq24 for an easy sequence, hydrogen for drums and on top of that some wild synth stuff (diminished scale like) | 04:15 |
| n4dir | easy and fast to do, but the result. Oh my ... | 04:15 |
| fsmithred | Need to get 1,267 MB/1,275 MB of archives. After unpacking 4,293 MB will be used | 04:15 |
| fsmithred | holy shit | 04:15 |
| n4dir | As said: they are serious. | 04:15 |
| n4dir | soundfonts are pretty huge though. I think. (as you know: all i say: as far i could figure out yet) | 04:16 |
| golinux | And they're off!! | 04:16 |
| n4dir | took me 2 hours to install packages, and i didn't pick *all*. | 04:16 |
| n4dir | but who on earth can handle that amount of software? I hardly use more than 10 apps. Rather less than 5 | 04:18 |
| fsmithred | you got a ~/.jackdrc in the one that doesn't start? | 04:26 |
| n4dir | yes, sometimes if i remove it it works (on the debian/librazik). | 04:26 |
| n4dir | but on devuan i haven't figured it out yet | 04:26 |
| n4dir | hence i slightly prefer ubuntustudio, as they don't have that problem. Which is quite hard for me | 04:27 |
| n4dir | it starts, it doesn't start. I found no pattern yet | 04:27 |
| n4dir | now i am back to what i talked about the other day: starting qjackctl gui will freeze the screen, and i have to pkill it from a TTY. Wasn't like that in the beginning though | 04:31 |
| fsmithred | you said that happens in openbox? | 04:32 |
| fsmithred | I only use it in xfce | 04:32 |
| n4dir | with all window managers. Not with DE's | 04:32 |
| n4dir | all i tested. | 04:32 |
| n4dir | that are two different problems. in case i was unclear. One is opening qjackctl freeze the screen. The other is that works, but it fails to start jack. | 04:33 |
| n4dir | but to be honest: the laptop where ubuntustudio is installed is by far the one with most horsepower. So that might be the reason too | 04:36 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: did you do pinning or did you just add the repos ? | 04:38 |
| fsmithred | pinned it to 40 | 04:39 |
| fsmithred | and then commented the line after looking at a few things | 04:39 |
| n4dir | ok. | 04:39 |
| fsmithred | this is not a test installation I'm playing with | 04:40 |
| n4dir | yeah. You can probably remove it altogether. But if ever someone looks for weird audio stuff, that repo is sure worth to check | 04:40 |
| n4dir | most mention something like KXStudio or such | 04:41 |
| n4dir | i just found vcvrack, which i only found for arch linux yet | 04:41 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I've seen that one | 04:41 |
| n4dir | would have gone for it, but it seemed pretty "old" | 04:41 |
| n4dir | i don't care for "newer" versions, but i was not sure how active they are | 04:42 |
| n4dir | also looked at dynebolic. Though old, very nice | 04:42 |
| fsmithred | lol | 04:43 |
| fsmithred | yeah, very old | 04:43 |
| n4dir | the choosen software is of my liking | 04:43 |
| fsmithred | does it have anything that's not in debian/devuan? | 04:44 |
| n4dir | dynebolic, KX or ? | 04:44 |
| n4dir | qjackctl with xfce, devuan, crappy laptop: doesn't freeze the screen, but dies with a short error "Bus Error" | 04:45 |
| n4dir | just fyi, in case ever someone runs qjackctl with WM and it freezes. It is not unusual it seem | 04:45 |
| n4dir | and it is not that xfce would abuse that much of ressources | 04:46 |
| fsmithred | I think there's a setting to disallow jack using dbus | 04:47 |
| n4dir | thanks, i will search for that. I don't even know what dbus is. lol | 04:47 |
| fsmithred | inter-process communication | 04:48 |
| n4dir | in general devuan works pretty well on this crappy laptop. | 04:49 |
| n4dir | so thumbs up from this side of the ocean | 04:49 |
| fsmithred | it's debian without systemd. What could go wrong? | 04:52 |
| n4dir | i gotta say: this systemd thing is very depressing for me. Seriously. | 04:52 |
| n4dir | If all those audio distros wouldn't be debian/ubuntu based, i would have gone for a different distro | 04:52 |
| n4dir | though i yet have found nothing i really like. devuan is probably the best choice for me. Got the tools i know, more or less, but am rid of that systemd crap | 04:54 |
| fsmithred | sorry, I missed your question. I wanted to know if dynebolic had stuff that's not in repo | 04:54 |
| fsmithred | jaromil was talking about reviving it, but that was a year ago | 04:54 |
| n4dir | i am not sure. I had a quick view at the menu, and what i know and need was there. A few apps i didn't know, and they were not in debian repos. But it might be they ceased to exist | 04:56 |
| n4dir | would be worth reviving it. | 04:56 |
| n4dir | yes, it was old, but i really liked it | 04:56 |
| fsmithred | I'm off to bed. | 05:00 |
| fsmithred | good to see you. | 05:00 |
| n4dir | bye | 05:04 |
| snyper | free at last free at last ! :p | 08:41 |
| snyper | anyone know if i can use python 2.7 with 3.0 ? | 08:43 |
| snyper | anyone know if i can use python 2.7 with beowulf 3.0 ? | 08:44 |
| gnarface | i think you probably can yes, snyper | 08:44 |
| gnarface | check here: pkginfo.devuan.org | 08:44 |
| snyper | thanks :) | 08:44 |
| gnarface | no problem | 08:44 |
| snyper | i have an older software to run and it requires 2.7 | 08:44 |
| scraiht | i have an beowulf standard install and python2.7 is installed | 08:46 |
| snyper | ok cool its in the list, i guess i just have to apt install python 2.7? | 08:46 |
| snyper | ah ok , neato | 08:46 |
| snyper | tnx :) | 08:46 |
| scraiht | python2.7 on my system is installed because of python-subversion. do not know if it's in the standard install also | 08:48 |
| snyper | cant find package with lsusb , any ideas ? | 09:21 |
| snyper | slash wrists, invalid command ;P | 09:22 |
| scraiht | @snyper: usbutils i think | 09:22 |
| snyper | ty, gonna have a look ;) | 09:23 |
| snyper | bingo, thanks :) | 09:23 |
| snyper | got lazy using other distros... now i have to think again LOL | 09:23 |
| scraiht | :-) | 09:26 |
| snyper | hope im not bothering, but where do i edit my ntp server manually ? i dont seem to see ntp.conf in /etc | 09:29 |
| gnarface | it should be there | 09:30 |
| gnarface | i mean, if ntp is installed | 09:31 |
| snyper | lol sorry, just noticed its not installed | 09:31 |
| scraiht | i do not have it either. openntp is installed | 09:31 |
| scraiht | openntpd that is | 09:32 |
| scraiht | dpkg -L says the config file is: /etc/openntpd/ntpd.conf | 09:32 |
| snyper | openntpd better than the ntpd ? | 09:32 |
| scraiht | i do not know. it came with the beowulf desktop installation | 09:33 |
| snyper | ah ok, im using server cd 1 | 09:33 |
| snyper | no problem just installed openntpd, pretty strait forward | 09:34 |
| gnarface | they're just different | 09:35 |
| gnarface | openntpd is for performance, ntp is for precision | 09:35 |
| gnarface | they're both fairly lightweight by modern standards though | 09:36 |
| snyper | ok ill switch to ntp in that case, tnx 4 the info | 09:36 |
| gnarface | no problem | 09:38 |
| snyper | curious, there is a systemd folder in /etc ... whyyyyyy | 09:46 |
| gnarface | snyper: "init-system-helpers" package | 09:51 |
| gnarface | snyper: (dpkg -L init-system-helpers) | 09:53 |
| snyper | i just thought devuan would stay systemd free :p | 09:54 |
| gnarface | unfortuntely the mere word "systemd" has annoyingly infected all sorts of things | 09:57 |
| gnarface | it's harmless though | 09:57 |
| snyper | its tenticles get into everything | 09:57 |
| snyper | lol | 09:57 |
| snyper | tell that to an ex slackware user ;P | 09:58 |
| snyper | wonder if linus is getting much microsoft money now that he sided with bill .... OMG im gonna get kicked ;) | 09:59 |
| snyper | ya so chmod -x britty isnt working... strangeness... | 10:01 |
| snyper | ok i need glasses .... | 10:02 |
| snyper | brltty ... lol not britty | 10:02 |
| snyper | i can almost hear someone thinking is he gonna get a kernel panick yet, hes too noisy ;) | 10:03 |
| snyper | anyhow...tnx for da help guys | 10:04 |
| openbsdtai123 | hello | 12:42 |
| openbsdtai123 | A question, how to debootstrap the base system of amd64 on /target, but this instead of sysvinit, the OpenRC. I would prefer to have openrc ! | 12:43 |
| openbsdtai123 | thank you and looking forward to hearing you | 12:43 |
| ottavio | Hi openbsdtai123 I did ask a somewhat similar question on the Devuan forum | 13:01 |
| ottavio | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3806 | 13:01 |
| ottavio | I think you need to install Openrc afterwards, but senior irc members are free to correct me. | 13:02 |
| ottavio | I have kind of lost interest in openrc. | 13:03 |
| ottavio | In any case, you need to do some post installation steps after debootstrap. | 13:04 |
| fsmithred | openbsdtai123, --include=openrc (I think that's enough) | 13:11 |
| fsmithred | or yeah, install it in chroot after the initial debootstrap | 13:11 |
| ottavio | On the topic of openrc, is there a guide on installing and configuring openrc on Devuan? I have only found bits and pieces. | 13:45 |
| fsmithred | ottavio, information is scattered. Check forum and mailing list. (dev1galaxy.org and dng mailing list) | 13:48 |
| fsmithred | This might be good: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC | 13:49 |
| ottavio | Will Devuan ever fork completely from Debian or is the goal of maintaining compatibility more important? | 13:49 |
| fsmithred | hell no! We can't package all 60,000 packages | 13:49 |
| fsmithred | goal is to provide debian without systemd. | 13:50 |
| fsmithred | best case scenario is that debian comes to its senses and we no longer have a reason to exist. | 13:50 |
| ottavio | What if Debian drops sysvinit completely? | 13:50 |
| ottavio | Debian will never come to its senses. | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I believe that. | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | if debian drops sysvinit, we'll have to keep up with a lot of init scripts | 13:51 |
| ottavio | If Debian drops sysvinit support, you'll have 1000s of packages to rewrite. | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | there are probably other ways to deal with that | 13:52 |
| fsmithred | what's probably going to happen is that all the other init systems will be able to use systemd service files | 13:53 |
| ottavio | Not a very clean solution. | 13:54 |
| fsmithred | sure it is | 13:54 |
| fsmithred | service files are probably the best (only good?) thing about that mess | 13:54 |
| ottavio | I'm working in the reverse direction. I want to bring bsd rc.d files to traditional Linux init. | 13:55 |
| ottavio | I though Openrc was part of the journey but it turns out I was wrong. | 13:55 |
| ottavio | s/bsd/NetBSD | 13:56 |
| fsmithred | what do the bsd files looks like? scripts? | 13:56 |
| ottavio | Yes, just sh scripts. In particular I'm referring to NetBSD rc.d and rc.subr. I still have to digest the whole lot. | 13:57 |
| fsmithred | well, good to have mutliple solutions. | 13:59 |
| ottavio | Rc scripts: http://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-release-9/src/etc/rc.d/ | 13:59 |
| ottavio | rc.subr http://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-release-9/src/etc/rc.subr | 13:59 |
| ottavio | This can somewhat be implemented on top of sysvinit or systemd but it's just a hack. | 14:00 |
| fsmithred | that looks simple | 14:01 |
| fsmithred | runit is also available in devuan | 14:01 |
| fsmithred | I have no idea if that fits better with what you're doing. Also s6 is available. | 14:02 |
| ottavio | The NetBSD rc.d system is by far the best init script system there is. Openrc is the one that goes closest but not close enough. | 14:07 |
| ottavio | I just wonder why Devuan devs use nicknames and rarely reveal their real name. I find this bizarre. | 14:10 |
| ottavio | Maybe you guys all work for Red Hat/IBM and don't want to be found out. | 14:11 |
| n4dir | No one knows you are a dog ... | 14:15 |
| fsmithred | lol | 14:17 |
| n4dir | on another note: i was annoyed by the most old laptop, and put devuan on the second most old one. 512 of RAM, qjackctl starts, and it seems to work well so far | 14:19 |
| fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/team <- lots of real names here | 14:19 |
| n4dir | added the librazik repo, found out about that pinning thing, but commented anyway | 14:19 |
| n4dir | short: all looks good so far | 14:19 |
| fsmithred | cool | 14:19 |
| n4dir | yes, very cool. | 14:20 |
| fsmithred | qjack with a wm? | 14:20 |
| n4dir | btw: i saw grub-menu says debian, is that so | 14:20 |
| n4dir | yes. | 14:20 |
| n4dir | that was back then, old debian, and now on the old laptop. But there the problem seems to be the laptop itself, not qjack or WM or such | 14:20 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that's normal. You can change it in /etc/os-release ID=devuan or in /etc/default/grub | 14:21 |
| n4dir | Ah, ok then. No, i don | 14:21 |
| n4dir | t mind much | 14:21 |
| fsmithred | we did that for the signed grub-efi package | 14:21 |
| fsmithred | so secure boot will work | 14:21 |
| n4dir | In the middle of the night i picked openrc. Not that sure how good that decision was. But the truth: i also forgot everything bout sysv, besides sysv-rc-conf | 14:22 |
| n4dir | ah, isee | 14:22 |
| n4dir | also picked xfce4 during tasksel, which now bugs me. | 14:22 |
| n4dir | xfce4 is fine, the metapacke problem is what bugs me. | 14:22 |
| n4dir | say i really don | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | any time I've installed openrc in a test system, I did nothing with it, and the only way I know it's there is because of the different colors in the boot scroll. | 14:22 |
| n4dir | t need office programs | 14:23 |
| n4dir | lol | 14:23 |
| n4dir | well: no matter which init i use now, i have to search the web to start or stop a service | 14:23 |
| fsmithred | if you apt-get install the individual parts of xfce then you can remove xfce4 and the parts you want will stay. | 14:25 |
| fsmithred | or did you install task-xfce-desktop? | 14:25 |
| * wikan waves | 14:27 | |
| fsmithred | I'll pm you the list of xfce packages I install in refracta | 14:27 |
| wikan | hi. I can't find how to solve my problem. I use Debian and Devuan. Installed smtube. I use SMTube as lightweight browser for youtube so I use webview and mobile version of this website. | 14:28 |
| wikan | On Debian smtube play HTML5 videos but on Devuan doesn't. I installed smtube from website via dpkg on both systems | 14:29 |
| wikan | I can't find a solution. No matter what I do, what I install, smtube can't play html5 videos still | 14:29 |
| wikan | do youhave any idea? | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | no. all that stuff is the same in debian and devuan. | 14:30 |
| wikan | maybe chromium is an answer because I dont have chromium on Devuan | 14:31 |
| fsmithred | wikan, why not use smtube from repo? | 14:31 |
| wikan | and smtube use webkit | 14:31 |
| wikan | because smtube from repo doesn't work. Don't play anything. Repo has v18 and v20 from website has mobile youtube webview | 14:32 |
| fsmithred | does youtube keep breaking it like they do with youtube-dl? | 14:33 |
| wikan | probably because v20 can't fint video url | 14:33 |
| wikan | but becouse of forcing mobile version of youtube in webkit webview I can play videos still | 14:34 |
| ottavio | fsmithred: n4dir this is why the rc.d system is better. All you have to do is add "$service=YES" to rc.conf and reboot. | 14:36 |
| fsmithred | I think n4dir was talking about starting/stopping from command-line (without reboot) | 14:37 |
| n4dir | Yes. And yes, it is easy. I only tried to point out that i have to websearch it each time | 14:44 |
| fsmithred | afk, bbl | 15:15 |
| n4dir | :-) | 15:16 |
| ttr | hello and apologies if this is something on my fault, but is the an issue with packages.devuan.org / packages.roundr.devuan.org ? first one redirect to secnd one and second one is having tcp timeout on 5.196.38.18. Did sources.list should have different urls ? thanks. | 17:21 |
| ttr | and i think I found anwser - pkgmaster.devuan.org is right one but would like to some one confirm this for me. | 17:23 |
| xinomilo | https://devuan.org/os/packages | 17:23 |
| mason | ttr: You want deb.devuan.org/merged | 17:23 |
| ttr | thx :) | 17:24 |
| ttr | even better | 17:24 |
| ttr | confirmed - all works now. Thank you :) | 17:31 |
| fling | Where can I find lxd package? | 21:11 |
| fling | I don't want to use snap | 21:12 |
| gnarface | fling: i did some research about this for you. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768073 | 22:22 |
| gnarface | fling: and... https://wiki.debian.org/LXD | 22:23 |
| fling | gnarface: thanks! | 22:27 |
| fling | gnarface: ok it looks like the deps are missing from the repos | 22:29 |
| fling | gnarface: ebuild on gentoo is using bundled deps. I'm working on fixing this btw. | 22:29 |
| fling | gnarface: c stuff is easy but go is not | 22:29 |
| gnarface | looks like they're working on it but it's been "coming soon" for half a decade | 22:32 |
| gnarface | i could only speculate on what the real hold up is, but not while sounding professional about it | 22:33 |
| fling | but the bug you sent me states they are working on packaging deps first | 22:33 |
| gnarface | fling: yea but it's from ubuntu so this type of delay marks a lack of will power not a lack of man power | 22:53 |
| gnarface | fling: not to condemn your choice of software or anything, but it's the type of warning sign i'd personally use as an excuse to find any other solution | 22:54 |
| gnarface | fling: (a tone i note is echoed by their own wiki on the matter, which suggests you just use lxc) | 22:55 |
| gnarface | fling: personally unless you have a special need though and if you're building packages anyway i'd recommend linux-vservers | 22:56 |
| gnarface | they're light weight and by the looks of this, much easier to build | 22:56 |
| fling | lxc has 5% of lxd features | 23:00 |
| gnarface | i really don't know much about either of them | 23:01 |
| gnarface | i would wager linux-vservers has even less features and that it would be a relief to me | 23:02 |
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