libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2020-10-09

mtnmanhelo00:49
mtnmani am setting up usb networking between beaglebone black (running devuan) and pinephone. configuring using ifconfig works, but ifup/down does not.  i have a relevant stanze in /etc/network/interfaces for the usb0 interface.00:53
mtnman/stanza/00:53
mtnmanis there anything special needed for usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces?  at this point it is similar to my entry for eth0.00:55
mtnmanwhen i do "ifdown usb0" i get: ifdown: interface usb0 not configured, but ifconfig tells me that usb0 is configured. in fact, the BBB is connected to pinephone via usb0 and ssh session is open across that interface.00:57
mtnmannm, got it working now.01:14
mtnmanhelo07:40
gnarfacehello mtnman, what did the solution to your problem earlier end up being?07:43
-Kelar- FUCKING NAZIS WILL BE SHOT11:21
okrawhats justice about devuan?14:49
okrahey so aside from the odd channel greeting i have an issue with beowulf if anyones around to offer advice15:05
gnarfaceokra: it's a pretty quiet channel usually.  the best strategy is to just ask the question and wait.15:08
okrayeah i was here before but the apt repos seem to have changed a bit since my last install15:10
gnarfaceuse deb.devuan.org now15:11
gnarfacesome other ones that had been deprecated for a while finally got removed from the DNS15:11
okralooking to get amdgpu set up on a new install and all kinds of hangups15:12
gnarfaceonly very basic functionality is available in main.  you'll need to include the firmware package from non-free if you want any hardware acceleration15:12
onefangI'm about to do that now on my new super desktop.15:12
gnarfacei forget the exact package name15:14
okraok i'll try that i was looking into backports but thought i'd check in here first.. lots of unmet dependencies and broken packages after simply adding contrib ,non-free to apt and updating before running install of amdgpu or amd driver changing /etc/os_release15:14
fsmithredfirmware-amd-graphics15:14
onefangBeat me to it fsmithred.15:15
fsmithredmaybe firmware-misc-nonfree and the other nonfree firmware package.15:15
fsmithredthe one with the old name15:15
fsmithredapt-cache search firmware after you update15:16
okranone of those have install candidates15:16
okralemme edit sources for deb.devuan.org15:16
gnarfaceokra: your sources.list is suspect15:16
onefangWhich version of Devuan?15:17
onefangAnd yeah, use deb.devuan.org.15:17
okrathey actually are already deb.devuan$org already hrmm15:17
fsmithredtry updating again15:18
fsmithredfirmware-amd-graphics 20190114-2 is in beowulf15:18
okraall up to date15:19
okrai had a typo in the security repo early on before my first update but that cant be it15:19
okraaptitude isnt even available to install15:19
fsmithred?15:19
fsmithreddo you just have security and updates?15:20
fsmithredput your source.list on paste.debian.net and show us15:20
brocashelmwhy does this idiot keep spamming the channels15:20
okrayeah graphics-amd is just not found but i saw amd_graphics in another resource which leads to "referred to another package"15:21
fsmithredapt-cache search firmware15:21
onefangOr try amd-graphics instead of graphics-amd.  B-)15:22
fsmithredbrocashelm, maybe something to do with current Greek politics15:22
okrayeah beowulf security and beowulf updates15:22
fsmithredyou need a line that's just beowulf15:22
fsmithredthree lines: beowulf beowulf-updates beowulf-security15:23
okrahrmm alright sec15:23
fsmithredI'm guessing you installed without a mirror.15:24
okrai commented out the cdrom i guess thats the diff from install while back it was netinst this was dvd15:24
okrak updating again15:26
fsmithredthis will work better15:27
okraman i poured some concrete under the porch the other day i hope it set up enough to tolerate this dip in temps we are a few degrees below freezing and wont be north of the temp for a day or so15:28
okrastill updating15:28
fsmithredyikes15:28
okrawho is the spammer brocashelm?15:28
brocashelmokra: kelar was the nick from earlier15:29
fsmithredsomeone from Greece coming in under different names. Today was a different IP.15:29
okramissed it ;/15:29
fsmithredlucky15:29
okraeyyy its working okay coolios15:29
fsmithredI think the freezing point for concrete is probably lower than pure water, so you should be ok.15:30
okrayeah i should have caught that its not usual i venture into dvd iso's15:30
xinomiloif i may ask, what did spammer write about? just curious, live in greece too...15:30
fsmithredanti-nazi sentiments15:30
okrawell there is a heat created from the exothermic reaction but thats only reliable for a tad under zero and still asffects cure time and resultingf strength15:31
onefangIf the concrete freezes, you can still walk on it.  B-)15:31
fsmithredlol15:31
fsmithredburn the porch15:32
okrai knew this was possible in forecast its not vital supporting stuff just extra reinforcement it should be fine i'll crank the heat on the area and see if i can tarp everything in somehow15:32
okrayeah no joke i just might burn it down by trying to avoid freezing15:32
fsmithredrisky if porch is attached to house15:33
okraokay imna scrap it out with the rest of this install solo i will check back regardless thanks15:33
fsmithredand we're drifting way OT here15:33
fsmithredyou can rescue the install15:33
okrait was a zombie house when i got it not occupied for a bit and got it for a song and a prayer no huge loss15:33
okraalso insured15:33
okrato cheers15:34
okraerr ok cheers not to15:34
fsmithredgood luck15:34
koollmanfresh concrete can freeze not that much lower than water. -4C. 25F . but even when not freezing, low temps will mess with concrete in general15:35
xinomiloOT, stone is a much better material15:41
onefangTime to reboot this super desktop and see if my debootstrap script installed a usable beowulf.  Back later.15:41
onefangEverything except the WiFi worked, so now I'm back in Mint to figure out how it got the WiFi to work.15:56
onefangHmmm, Beowulf recognised the Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a) as a different Intel Network device.15:59
brocashelmdid you enable the non-free shit? one of the firmware should be it16:01
onefangI did enable the non-free shit.16:01
brocashelmi guess apt search intel on your mint to see which package(s) recognized the wireless16:02
onefangI did that before I installed things, but I'll try again.16:02
brocashelmon devuan, i know that i was able to get wifi working on my laptop by installing firmware-brcm80211 (broadcom) and that was it. not sure what intel needs16:04
gnarfacethere is intel wifi hardware on the market that might need the firmware and kernel from backports16:06
masononefang: You probably need firmware-iwlwifi, at a guess.16:19
onefangPerhaps, though that's not turning up on mint.  It is using iwlwifi kernal module, just can't find any apt package that is installed with anything like that name.16:21
fsmithredbuntu puts them all in one package, I think16:21
brocashelmi just remembered even lmde enables non-free shit by default16:22
fsmithredthat's part of being user-friendly16:22
masononefang: add contrib and non-free, apt install firmware-iwlwifi, for real16:23
brocashelmyeah, it's not worth it to go stallman mode on people just getting into gnu/linux16:23
fsmithreddevuan installer isos will add non-free if your hardware needs it16:23
fsmithredto avoid it, expert install16:23
masononefang: Don't take what's on Mint as having relevance here.16:24
brocashelmi guess appeasing fsf is nonexistent16:24
fsmithredyeah, we don't care what they think16:25
brocashelmgood!16:26
fsmithredwe care that some users don't want any non-free16:26
brocashelmif systemd is """"free"""", then no point16:26
brocashelmmy method is non-free/contrib only if necessary16:27
brocashelmi would prefer as libre as possible within reason16:27
fsmithredsame here16:27
brocashelmbecause, that is the whole point of gnu/linux16:27
brocashelmrespecting the user's freedom16:27
brocashelmnot imposing unwanted """"features"""" or """"improvements""""16:28
brocashelmwould be nice to see devuan-installed computers on the market. one can only hope16:28
onefangAh Mint installs the iwlwifi kernal module as part of linux-modules-extra-*-generic16:28
masononefang: It's not the kernel module you care about, it's the firmware.16:29
onefangI need both.  B-)16:30
masonWell. Yes. :)16:30
masonIs it working once you install the firmware? You'll likely want to reboot, as I'm not wholly sure how to load firmware otherwise.16:31
mason(It16:31
mason(It's probably worth figuring out, mind you. I just haven't, as it comes up fairly rarely.)16:31
fsmithredpossibly modprobe to remove and insert the module after installing the package. Sometimes that's needed.16:32
masonOh, maybe the driver loads the firmware.16:32
masonI like that idea. I might test it later.16:32
onefangI'm using Mint (which works for all this bleeding edge harware on my new AMD Threadripper 3990X box), to debootstrap Beowulf.  With no WiFi on Beowulf, I have to do my research on Mint.16:32
onefangSo I'm trying to figure out what to apt get in the debootstrap script.16:33
masononefang: Take care if you use LUKS. Bootstrapping from an Ubuntu derivative will mean the LUKS you set up will be too new for Beowulf to handle on its own.16:33
fsmithreddoes mint have apt-file?16:33
masononefang: What to apt-get for what?16:33
masonfsmithred: yeah16:33
masonMint is Debian or Ubuntu, and has all the tools.16:34
onefangI just want to get everything working before I do fancy stuff like LUKS.16:34
masonLUKS is sort of a "decide at the beginning" thing, but sure.16:34
fsmithredcryptsetup luksFormat --type luks1 ...16:34
onefangWhat package to apt install so Beowulf WiFi works.16:34
brocashelmluks and i don't get along16:34
onefangOnce that debootstrop is working for the basics, then I can get fancy.16:35
masonfsmithred: Yeah, iwlwifi shows up as a module I can load/unload, so I'll boot without firmware later, confirm I see no NIC, and then install/reload and report back.16:35
masononefang: I'm thinking of stripping out the non-Devuan stuff from my installer if you want a model that mostly works.16:36
onefangAh Mint has the iwlwifi firmware in the  linux-firmware package.16:36
onefangMy debootstrap script is what I have been using for years to install ASCII.  I'm sticking with it.16:36
masonWell, you're all set, then.16:37
masononefang: Something to remember is that this is a volunteer effort. Vehemently rejecting help can sour the experience for the folks volunteering time. "No, thank you" might be more appropriate.16:39
onefangMore appropriate than what?16:41
masononefang: I offered to touch up a script to narrow the focus so it'd be directly useful to you. Your response to that is what I'm referring to.16:41
onefangI said I already have a script that has been working for years, what part of that is "Vehemently rejecting help"?16:43
masononefang: Try out "No, thank you" instead of "I'm sticking with it" for size.16:44
onefangEither could be misconstrued as being rude.  lol16:44
masonI guess. Either way, I hope you get an install that works for you.16:46
brocashelmit might work on chimaera/ceres by now17:00
eyalrozHello devuaners,17:29
eyalrozI have a question about bison vs bison++ and why they conflict:17:29
eyalrozhttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/613722/bison-vs-bison17:29
masoneyalroz: There's a good answer to your question posted there.17:50
masonlooks like 11 minutes ago17:50
mason12 now17:50
eyalrozmason: Indeed. But still,17:58
eyalrozI wonder why bison++ doesn't provide /usr/bin/bison++ instead of /usr/bin/bison17:58
eyalrozas that would have prevented the conflict17:58
eyalrozby the way - can the alternatives mechanism get used when two packages provide the same file?17:59
masoneyalroz: Yes.17:59
eyalrozmason: Can I make that happen myself somehow, for bison and bison++?18:00
masoneyalroz: I'd always assumed the package had to be a willing participant and install a per-package unique name, but I might be wrong about that.18:02
masoneyalroz: After a quick search, I'm not seeing a really clean way to do it. What I myself would do if I needed both is either just build one from upstream source and manage it with GNU Stow, or grab the bison++ source package and patch it so that it does call the result bison++, with the caveat that that's probably not what third-party software will expect or reference.18:07
eyalrozI haven't heard about GNU stow before. And, yes, I guess getting the source would work. I'll not even patch it, just install it to /opt/bison++ or something, and have my dependent package search there.18:08
masonProbably defaults to /usr/local, but either way, yeah.18:10
masonThe advantage of GNU Stow is that you can cleanly uninstall and install a new version.18:10
onefangfirmware-iwlwifi did the trick.19:57
masonYes.20:23
brocashelmi knew it21:31
eyalrozAre there known issues with false dependencies of source packages on systemd?22:58
eyalrozSpecifically, "apt build-dep mariadb-server" gives me complaints about how I'm not going to instal libsystemd-dev and libreadline-gplv2-dev22:58
hagbard_libelogind-dev could do23:00

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