libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2020-11-12

rknop_Gah17:06
rknop_Client Side Deocrations17:06
rknop_The systemd of UI17:06
MinceR:>17:07
ham5urgIs there a testing-security repository?17:54
ham5urgCurios if only testing main is needed.17:55
gnarfaceham5urg: no, *-updates and *-security are only on stable17:55
gnarfaceham5urg: (typically anything that goes in there will have already been introduced to testing and unstable directly)17:56
gnarfaceham5urg: i think someone might have set it up so they're present but empty so it doesn't cause errors though)17:57
ham5urgThanks gnarface, I was asking because testing-updates is accepted in sources.list by apt update17:57
infobotham5urg: no worries17:57
ham5urgAt least I get no error (testing-security does throw an error)17:57
ham5urgok17:57
ham5urgDo you use remote desktop software? Which is recomendable?18:18
gnarfaceham5urg: mostly i use ssh and i would recommend strongly that you frame all your problems in such a way that you can too.18:20
gnarfaceham5urg: (VNC is a good second choice, that is fully cross-platform)18:21
fsmithredI use x11vnc over ssh18:21
gnarfaceyea, that's a good choice18:22
gnarfaceyou can vnc over a tunnel, that's historically very popular18:22
fsmithredif you don't need to actively share the desktop with someone on the other end, you can use tightvnc18:22
gnarfacethough now vnc has both ssh and ssl built-in you can use too18:22
gnarfaceby vnc i mean x11vnc of course18:22
gnarfacethere are a lot of vncs18:22
gnarfacefor the client end though i personally would recommend ssvnc18:22
gnarfaceeven though it's annoying to set up18:22
gnarfaceyou don't always get to pick, if you have to deal with cross-platform vnc connections18:23
ham5urgIs it compatible with wayland?18:24
gnarfaceno idea.  probably not, unless wayland has that x11 compatiblity layer working well enough for vnc18:24
yatoxnakadashiHi, I am pretty new at IRC in general but is this the best place to ask a quick question?18:25
gnarfaceyou should check up on that yourself though, don't trust my info to be up to date, wayland isn't something i'm paying close attention to yet18:25
gnarfaceyatoxnakadashi: yes, on IRC you just ask the question, you don't ask for permission to ask the question18:25
ham5urgI just installed testing to play around and test a future desktop18:25
ham5urgWayland is installed and task-gnome-desktop and it looks well. Only the remote-desktop-thing I have to figure out.18:26
gnarfaceham5urg: my understanding based on hearsay was that wayland would have something built-in to obviate the remote desktop task18:26
ham5urgI will take a deeper look...18:26
gnarfaceham5urg: it would have that as a native feature somehow18:27
gnarfaceham5urg: (if it were finished)18:27
yatoxnakadashiI was simply wondering if I didn't mistake this place for something else. Anyhow, I can't seem to boot the minimal devuan ISO on Virtualbox (EFI mode)18:27
yatoxnakadashiIt just brings me back to the EFI BIOS (if I can call it that)18:27
gnarfaceyatoxnakadashi: the other ones work, just that one isn't?18:27
gnarfaceyatoxnakadashi: or one of the devuan images work?18:27
yatoxnakadashiPerhaps, I can take a quick look on the other ISOs18:28
gnarfaceyatoxnakadashi: i vaguely recall there was a problem with virtualbox but it has been a while since anyone brought it up, i don't remember details clearly other than that you might need a specific version or build18:28
fsmithredyatoxnakadashi, there's a way to do it18:29
yatoxnakadashiFirst, I will take a look at the other ISOs18:29
gnarfaceyatoxnakadashi: but if the problem is only with that one iso and the others work, then that's not it18:29
fsmithredESC18:29
fsmithredexit18:29
fsmithredI think that gets you to a menu18:29
fsmithredyou want to find Boot from file18:29
yatoxnakadashiOh yeah, I am using the latest release (Beowulf)18:29
fsmithredthen drill down until you find grubx64.efi18:29
yatoxnakadashiOh yeah, long time since I have worked with coreboot18:30
yatoxnakadashiLast time I did something with it was on a chromebook over 2 years ago18:30
yatoxnakadashiNothing18:31
yatoxnakadashiBut there seems to be an isolinux folder18:31
fsmithredisolinux is for bios boot18:31
yatoxnakadashiBut yet another failure18:31
fsmithredgrub for efi boot18:31
yatoxnakadashiYeah, just noticed it18:31
yatoxnakadashiThe file in the grub folder just leads to an empty EFI screen18:32
fsmithredthe same file I named?18:32
yatoxnakadashiNo, but along the lines of it18:32
yatoxnakadashiIt's called x86_64-efi18:33
fsmithredI think that's a directory, isn't it?18:33
yatoxnakadashiOh18:33
fsmithredwell, if you can't find a file in there that boots, there's another way to do it18:33
yatoxnakadashiThen it's the directory that's empty18:33
yatoxnakadashiJust to be sure18:34
yatoxnakadashiI am going to mount the iso real quick and take a look18:34
yatoxnakadashi(on windows)18:34
yatoxnakadashiOr just peek in it with 7z if it supports isos18:34
fsmithredwhy must you boot it in efi mode in vbox?18:35
rktafsmithred: Any news on the new installer? We talked about me testing it on a x200.18:36
yatoxnakadashiI wanted to try out Linux again in a somewhat more hardcore mode than what I am used to18:36
yatoxnakadashiAnd I want to test it out in EFI18:36
yatoxnakadashiSo I can build up some experience with using a distro on a EFI based system18:36
fsmithredrkta, we'll start building isos in a few days, I think. Some packages need to move from beowulf-proposed-updates to beowulf. So maybe next week we'll have stuff to play with. I should know more after today's meeting.18:37
rktafsmithred: k, will check back next week.18:38
fsmithredyatoxnakadashi, put it on a usb and boot efi on hardware18:39
fsmithredor attach a second cdrom to the VM and boot an iso that does boot efi, and get to grub command line to boot the iso you want to try.18:40
yatoxnakadashiToo long of a story to explain why that isn't an option atm18:40
fsmithredwhich iso are you using?18:40
clort///1318:40
yatoxnakadashiBut I will quickly grab another devuan iso just to boottest it in efi mode18:40
yatoxnakadashiAnd I am using the minimal iso18:41
fsmithreddesktop-live or minima18:41
fsmithredok18:41
yatoxnakadashidevuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall18:41
fsmithredno efi on the official minimal-live iso18:41
yatoxnakadashii meant the netinstall18:41
yatoxnakadashimy bad18:41
fsmithredI did make one for efi18:41
fsmithredoh18:41
fsmithrednetinstall should boot18:41
yatoxnakadashijust gonna download the server iso since it's the second smallest iso18:42
ham5urgLooks like Gnome has some Remotedesktop+Wayland built in. But it is unconfigurable unless Network-Manager is managing the interface. I first installed devuan without GUI. Now I installed gnome and Network-Manager is not managing eth0 as /etc/network/interfaces is installed. Which packages would I need to deinstall?18:48
ham5urgifup?18:48
yatoxnakadashiso about the server iso18:51
yatoxnakadashididn't boot in efi18:51
yatoxnakadashioh who would've thought18:53
yatoxnakadashithere were two 'drives'18:53
yatoxnakadashione with the iso contents18:53
yatoxnakadashiand the other one containing boot files ending in .efi18:53
DPAham5urg: Just remove eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces ?19:57
DPAgnarface, ham5urg: The replacement for ssh -X on wayland is waypipe. I haven't tried it yet, though.20:02
gnarfaceanyone else notice that unetbootin is missing entirely from all the links pointing to it in debian?20:06
DPApkginfo.devuan.org fails to find ssmtp in chimaera: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=ssmtp&release=chimaera20:16
xinomilossmtp is abandoned iirc20:29
xinomilomsmtp works20:29
fsmithred apt policy ssmtp20:33
fsmithredCandidate: 2.64-920:33
fsmithredin chimaera and ceres (amd64)20:34
DPAIt's only missing in beowulf. This isn't about it being missing in the repos though, its about pkginfo.devuan.org not finding it.20:35
fsmithredyeah, I see that20:36
fsmithredI'm about to add it to the pad for today's meeting20:36
DPAOk, thanks.20:36
crashoverrideokay21:22
crashoverridehow does one use apt-get -y with only summary information?21:22
gnarfacewhy would -y care about that?21:26
crashoverridebecause it's non-interactive?21:26
crashoverrideI have no idea, I just gave more information to be sure that it was helpful.21:26
gnarfaceisn't "-y" for "answer yes" ?21:27
crashoverrideWhen you omit information, "IRC helper" verbally assault you, so I just prefer to include irrelevant info than omit potentially relevant info.21:27
gnarfaceisn't the whole point of doing that to NOT read stuff?21:27
crashoverrideno it isn't.21:27
gnarfacehmm21:27
crashoverridethe point of -y is to not query the user for interactive confirmation.21:27
gnarfaceright21:27
gnarfaceso what's that got to do with summary information?21:28
crashoverridethat I would ALSO like to reduce the verbosity to a minimal summary?21:28
gnarfacemaybe i'm confused about what you mean by summary information21:28
gnarfaceoh, i was pretty sure it was already doing that due to a bug in amprolla21:29
crashoverrideokay, it's dpkg that outputs crap.21:29
crashoverrideI should have known.21:29
gnarfacei'm still not sure i know what you mean21:29
crashoverrideI want to remove the update-alternatives: and Setting up and Selecting/Preparing/Unpacking lines.21:42
crashoverridealso the Get:XX https:// lines as well21:42
gnarfacedid you try just redirecting it all to /dev/null?21:43
crashoverrideI don't want to.21:43
crashoverrideI don't want to miss everything21:44
crashoverridejust the noise21:44
gnarfacegrep21:44
crashoverrideI mean I could set it out21:44
crashoverridesed21:44
crashoverrideI usually use sed, not grep21:44
gnarfaceyou can pipe it through a grep pattern easily21:44
gnarfacei'm sure sed would work too21:44
crashoverridebut rather than going like: `apt-get -q -y upgrade | sed '/^Setting up /d; /^Preparing to unpack/d; /^Unpacking /d; /^Selecting previously unselected package /d; /^Get:[0-9]\{1,\} https?:\/\//d; /^update-alternatives: /d'21:47
crashoverrideI'd rather find an actual option that prints only the summary.21:48
crashoverrideEspecially when I also would love processing on those.21:49
gnarfacedid you try -q?22:05
gnarfaceor maybe -q twice?22:06
gnarfacebrb22:06
stiltrThis might be of use '-o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0' sounds like it limits some of the extraneous output from dpkg.22:18
crashoverrideI am using both -qq and -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=022:32
crashoverrideand it does not remove what I want removed.22:33

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