rknop_ | Gah | 17:06 |
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rknop_ | Client Side Deocrations | 17:06 |
rknop_ | The systemd of UI | 17:06 |
MinceR | :> | 17:07 |
ham5urg | Is there a testing-security repository? | 17:54 |
ham5urg | Curios if only testing main is needed. | 17:55 |
gnarface | ham5urg: no, *-updates and *-security are only on stable | 17:55 |
gnarface | ham5urg: (typically anything that goes in there will have already been introduced to testing and unstable directly) | 17:56 |
gnarface | ham5urg: i think someone might have set it up so they're present but empty so it doesn't cause errors though) | 17:57 |
ham5urg | Thanks gnarface, I was asking because testing-updates is accepted in sources.list by apt update | 17:57 |
infobot | ham5urg: no worries | 17:57 |
ham5urg | At least I get no error (testing-security does throw an error) | 17:57 |
ham5urg | ok | 17:57 |
ham5urg | Do you use remote desktop software? Which is recomendable? | 18:18 |
gnarface | ham5urg: mostly i use ssh and i would recommend strongly that you frame all your problems in such a way that you can too. | 18:20 |
gnarface | ham5urg: (VNC is a good second choice, that is fully cross-platform) | 18:21 |
fsmithred | I use x11vnc over ssh | 18:21 |
gnarface | yea, that's a good choice | 18:22 |
gnarface | you can vnc over a tunnel, that's historically very popular | 18:22 |
fsmithred | if you don't need to actively share the desktop with someone on the other end, you can use tightvnc | 18:22 |
gnarface | though now vnc has both ssh and ssl built-in you can use too | 18:22 |
gnarface | by vnc i mean x11vnc of course | 18:22 |
gnarface | there are a lot of vncs | 18:22 |
gnarface | for the client end though i personally would recommend ssvnc | 18:22 |
gnarface | even though it's annoying to set up | 18:22 |
gnarface | you don't always get to pick, if you have to deal with cross-platform vnc connections | 18:23 |
ham5urg | Is it compatible with wayland? | 18:24 |
gnarface | no idea. probably not, unless wayland has that x11 compatiblity layer working well enough for vnc | 18:24 |
yatoxnakadashi | Hi, I am pretty new at IRC in general but is this the best place to ask a quick question? | 18:25 |
gnarface | you should check up on that yourself though, don't trust my info to be up to date, wayland isn't something i'm paying close attention to yet | 18:25 |
gnarface | yatoxnakadashi: yes, on IRC you just ask the question, you don't ask for permission to ask the question | 18:25 |
ham5urg | I just installed testing to play around and test a future desktop | 18:25 |
ham5urg | Wayland is installed and task-gnome-desktop and it looks well. Only the remote-desktop-thing I have to figure out. | 18:26 |
gnarface | ham5urg: my understanding based on hearsay was that wayland would have something built-in to obviate the remote desktop task | 18:26 |
ham5urg | I will take a deeper look... | 18:26 |
gnarface | ham5urg: it would have that as a native feature somehow | 18:27 |
gnarface | ham5urg: (if it were finished) | 18:27 |
yatoxnakadashi | I was simply wondering if I didn't mistake this place for something else. Anyhow, I can't seem to boot the minimal devuan ISO on Virtualbox (EFI mode) | 18:27 |
yatoxnakadashi | It just brings me back to the EFI BIOS (if I can call it that) | 18:27 |
gnarface | yatoxnakadashi: the other ones work, just that one isn't? | 18:27 |
gnarface | yatoxnakadashi: or one of the devuan images work? | 18:27 |
yatoxnakadashi | Perhaps, I can take a quick look on the other ISOs | 18:28 |
gnarface | yatoxnakadashi: i vaguely recall there was a problem with virtualbox but it has been a while since anyone brought it up, i don't remember details clearly other than that you might need a specific version or build | 18:28 |
fsmithred | yatoxnakadashi, there's a way to do it | 18:29 |
yatoxnakadashi | First, I will take a look at the other ISOs | 18:29 |
gnarface | yatoxnakadashi: but if the problem is only with that one iso and the others work, then that's not it | 18:29 |
fsmithred | ESC | 18:29 |
fsmithred | exit | 18:29 |
fsmithred | I think that gets you to a menu | 18:29 |
fsmithred | you want to find Boot from file | 18:29 |
yatoxnakadashi | Oh yeah, I am using the latest release (Beowulf) | 18:29 |
fsmithred | then drill down until you find grubx64.efi | 18:29 |
yatoxnakadashi | Oh yeah, long time since I have worked with coreboot | 18:30 |
yatoxnakadashi | Last time I did something with it was on a chromebook over 2 years ago | 18:30 |
yatoxnakadashi | Nothing | 18:31 |
yatoxnakadashi | But there seems to be an isolinux folder | 18:31 |
fsmithred | isolinux is for bios boot | 18:31 |
yatoxnakadashi | But yet another failure | 18:31 |
fsmithred | grub for efi boot | 18:31 |
yatoxnakadashi | Yeah, just noticed it | 18:31 |
yatoxnakadashi | The file in the grub folder just leads to an empty EFI screen | 18:32 |
fsmithred | the same file I named? | 18:32 |
yatoxnakadashi | No, but along the lines of it | 18:32 |
yatoxnakadashi | It's called x86_64-efi | 18:33 |
fsmithred | I think that's a directory, isn't it? | 18:33 |
yatoxnakadashi | Oh | 18:33 |
fsmithred | well, if you can't find a file in there that boots, there's another way to do it | 18:33 |
yatoxnakadashi | Then it's the directory that's empty | 18:33 |
yatoxnakadashi | Just to be sure | 18:34 |
yatoxnakadashi | I am going to mount the iso real quick and take a look | 18:34 |
yatoxnakadashi | (on windows) | 18:34 |
yatoxnakadashi | Or just peek in it with 7z if it supports isos | 18:34 |
fsmithred | why must you boot it in efi mode in vbox? | 18:35 |
rkta | fsmithred: Any news on the new installer? We talked about me testing it on a x200. | 18:36 |
yatoxnakadashi | I wanted to try out Linux again in a somewhat more hardcore mode than what I am used to | 18:36 |
yatoxnakadashi | And I want to test it out in EFI | 18:36 |
yatoxnakadashi | So I can build up some experience with using a distro on a EFI based system | 18:36 |
fsmithred | rkta, we'll start building isos in a few days, I think. Some packages need to move from beowulf-proposed-updates to beowulf. So maybe next week we'll have stuff to play with. I should know more after today's meeting. | 18:37 |
rkta | fsmithred: k, will check back next week. | 18:38 |
fsmithred | yatoxnakadashi, put it on a usb and boot efi on hardware | 18:39 |
fsmithred | or attach a second cdrom to the VM and boot an iso that does boot efi, and get to grub command line to boot the iso you want to try. | 18:40 |
yatoxnakadashi | Too long of a story to explain why that isn't an option atm | 18:40 |
fsmithred | which iso are you using? | 18:40 |
clort | ///13 | 18:40 |
yatoxnakadashi | But I will quickly grab another devuan iso just to boottest it in efi mode | 18:40 |
yatoxnakadashi | And I am using the minimal iso | 18:41 |
fsmithred | desktop-live or minima | 18:41 |
fsmithred | ok | 18:41 |
yatoxnakadashi | devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall | 18:41 |
fsmithred | no efi on the official minimal-live iso | 18:41 |
yatoxnakadashi | i meant the netinstall | 18:41 |
yatoxnakadashi | my bad | 18:41 |
fsmithred | I did make one for efi | 18:41 |
fsmithred | oh | 18:41 |
fsmithred | netinstall should boot | 18:41 |
yatoxnakadashi | just gonna download the server iso since it's the second smallest iso | 18:42 |
ham5urg | Looks like Gnome has some Remotedesktop+Wayland built in. But it is unconfigurable unless Network-Manager is managing the interface. I first installed devuan without GUI. Now I installed gnome and Network-Manager is not managing eth0 as /etc/network/interfaces is installed. Which packages would I need to deinstall? | 18:48 |
ham5urg | ifup? | 18:48 |
yatoxnakadashi | so about the server iso | 18:51 |
yatoxnakadashi | didn't boot in efi | 18:51 |
yatoxnakadashi | oh who would've thought | 18:53 |
yatoxnakadashi | there were two 'drives' | 18:53 |
yatoxnakadashi | one with the iso contents | 18:53 |
yatoxnakadashi | and the other one containing boot files ending in .efi | 18:53 |
DPA | ham5urg: Just remove eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces ? | 19:57 |
DPA | gnarface, ham5urg: The replacement for ssh -X on wayland is waypipe. I haven't tried it yet, though. | 20:02 |
gnarface | anyone else notice that unetbootin is missing entirely from all the links pointing to it in debian? | 20:06 |
DPA | pkginfo.devuan.org fails to find ssmtp in chimaera: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=ssmtp&release=chimaera | 20:16 |
xinomilo | ssmtp is abandoned iirc | 20:29 |
xinomilo | msmtp works | 20:29 |
fsmithred | apt policy ssmtp | 20:33 |
fsmithred | Candidate: 2.64-9 | 20:33 |
fsmithred | in chimaera and ceres (amd64) | 20:34 |
DPA | It's only missing in beowulf. This isn't about it being missing in the repos though, its about pkginfo.devuan.org not finding it. | 20:35 |
fsmithred | yeah, I see that | 20:36 |
fsmithred | I'm about to add it to the pad for today's meeting | 20:36 |
DPA | Ok, thanks. | 20:36 |
crashoverride | okay | 21:22 |
crashoverride | how does one use apt-get -y with only summary information? | 21:22 |
gnarface | why would -y care about that? | 21:26 |
crashoverride | because it's non-interactive? | 21:26 |
crashoverride | I have no idea, I just gave more information to be sure that it was helpful. | 21:26 |
gnarface | isn't "-y" for "answer yes" ? | 21:27 |
crashoverride | When you omit information, "IRC helper" verbally assault you, so I just prefer to include irrelevant info than omit potentially relevant info. | 21:27 |
gnarface | isn't the whole point of doing that to NOT read stuff? | 21:27 |
crashoverride | no it isn't. | 21:27 |
gnarface | hmm | 21:27 |
crashoverride | the point of -y is to not query the user for interactive confirmation. | 21:27 |
gnarface | right | 21:27 |
gnarface | so what's that got to do with summary information? | 21:28 |
crashoverride | that I would ALSO like to reduce the verbosity to a minimal summary? | 21:28 |
gnarface | maybe i'm confused about what you mean by summary information | 21:28 |
gnarface | oh, i was pretty sure it was already doing that due to a bug in amprolla | 21:29 |
crashoverride | okay, it's dpkg that outputs crap. | 21:29 |
crashoverride | I should have known. | 21:29 |
gnarface | i'm still not sure i know what you mean | 21:29 |
crashoverride | I want to remove the update-alternatives: and Setting up and Selecting/Preparing/Unpacking lines. | 21:42 |
crashoverride | also the Get:XX https:// lines as well | 21:42 |
gnarface | did you try just redirecting it all to /dev/null? | 21:43 |
crashoverride | I don't want to. | 21:43 |
crashoverride | I don't want to miss everything | 21:44 |
crashoverride | just the noise | 21:44 |
gnarface | grep | 21:44 |
crashoverride | I mean I could set it out | 21:44 |
crashoverride | sed | 21:44 |
crashoverride | I usually use sed, not grep | 21:44 |
gnarface | you can pipe it through a grep pattern easily | 21:44 |
gnarface | i'm sure sed would work too | 21:44 |
crashoverride | but rather than going like: `apt-get -q -y upgrade | sed '/^Setting up /d; /^Preparing to unpack/d; /^Unpacking /d; /^Selecting previously unselected package /d; /^Get:[0-9]\{1,\} https?:\/\//d; /^update-alternatives: /d' | 21:47 |
crashoverride | I'd rather find an actual option that prints only the summary. | 21:48 |
crashoverride | Especially when I also would love processing on those. | 21:49 |
gnarface | did you try -q? | 22:05 |
gnarface | or maybe -q twice? | 22:06 |
gnarface | brb | 22:06 |
stiltr | This might be of use '-o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0' sounds like it limits some of the extraneous output from dpkg. | 22:18 |
crashoverride | I am using both -qq and -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 | 22:32 |
crashoverride | and it does not remove what I want removed. | 22:33 |
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