| Wafficus | yeah I plugged the cables in and out and my ssd is fine | 02:46 |
|---|---|---|
| Wafficus | had to reinstall Devuan, so I'll have to redo my Gentoo VM another time | 02:46 |
| Wafficus | question regarding jami | 02:46 |
| Wafficus | is it 'gnu_ring'? | 02:46 |
| Wafficus | I can't remember how to make it run again | 02:47 |
| Wafficus | I thought it was gnu-ring, or gnu_ring, but both don't seem to work | 02:47 |
| Wafficus | got it, its "gnome-ring" nevermind ;) | 02:48 |
| Junicchi | need help with this https://i.imgur.com/ocE37gM.png | 10:54 |
| Junicchi | just added an additional encrypted partition with same pass and automounting it | 10:54 |
| Junicchi | but when performing poweroff it fails to stop | 10:55 |
| Junicchi | i suspect apparmor since i also get "app armor failed to stop" | 10:56 |
| Junicchi | operating system is installed on sda3, additional partition is sda1 | 10:56 |
| xinomilo | what devuan version? | 11:07 |
| Junicchi | beowulf | 11:07 |
| Junicchi | from the latest iso | 11:07 |
| xinomilo | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=23957#p23957 | 11:09 |
| Junicchi | woah! i'm really glad that i'm not the only one lived this problem | 11:13 |
| xinomilo | apparmor issue is a different one... | 11:17 |
| Junicchi | the package in the thread fixed my problem | 11:18 |
| Junicchi | what do you suggest on apparmor problem? | 11:18 |
| xinomilo | disable apparmor completely if you don't use it, or try to check which apparmor profile causes the error.. | 11:21 |
| GyrosGeier | apparmor logs to kernel log by default, doesn't it? | 11:24 |
| GyrosGeier | at least my logs are full of thunderbird trying to read files it has no access to | 11:24 |
| xinomilo | yes, thunderbird profile is the most common issue :) lots of debian bugs there iirc | 11:25 |
| xinomilo | check this for some info : https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowToUse | 11:27 |
| Junicchi | thanks | 12:22 |
| danuan | command1 2>&3 | command2 | logging_func , can anyone help with redirecting command1's stderr to a function like command2s stdout gets piped to one , right now i am just i do exec 3>>logfile but would want it go to a function before output to log. thanx | 13:26 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: So. You said that Cyrillic shows up as artifacts because of the lack of fonts. | 14:01 |
| suavedandy | What should I do to fix it? | 14:01 |
| fsmithred | I don't really know for sure. Maybe install some fonts. I think there might be some discussion on the forum that could help. | 14:02 |
| fsmithred | or debian documentation | 14:04 |
| Junicchi | xinomilo: i just installed that cryptsetup functions patch | 14:22 |
| Junicchi | and saw that it just forces computer to shutdown altough it fails to stop disk? | 14:22 |
| Junicchi | isn't it harmful or a potential security leak? | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | no, it's not harmful, and I don't know of any security issues with it. | 14:29 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: Solved it! | 15:11 |
| suavedandy | sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup. | 15:11 |
| suavedandy | Should set there to "Guess the correct character set" instead of Latin1. | 15:12 |
| suavedandy | Probably should just be a default in your minimal ISO, IMHO. | 15:13 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: Can I safely remove all these terminal emulators and text editors listed in upgrade-alternatives? | 15:33 |
| luser978 | danuan ask in #bash | 15:54 |
| danuan | luser978 thanx ill try | 16:04 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, I don't know what's listed for removal, but --simulate is your friend with apt, apt-get and aptitude. Also, if it seems bad, try with aptitude and it may give you other possible solutions. | 16:18 |
| suavedandy | May I ask what the difference between .Xresources and .Xdefaults is? | 19:02 |
| GyrosGeier | .Xresources is loaded via xrdb on session start, while .Xdefaults is loaded by applications | 19:03 |
| GyrosGeier | so for a networked client, you get .Xresources from the machine that controls the session, and .Xdefaults from the machine where the client is running | 19:04 |
| GyrosGeier | xrdb stores these as properties on the root window IIRC, and clients can query them | 19:04 |
| suavedandy | GyrosGeier: Should I use .Xresources or .Xdefaults for the window manager? | 19:09 |
| GyrosGeier | it doesn't matter there, since the WM is normally session leader | 19:09 |
| mason | suavedandy: They have slightly different meanings. Look at the X man page. | 19:09 |
| mason | suavedandy: In particular, read the bit about XENVIRONMENT. | 19:10 |
| mason | Oh, duh, GyrosGeier already explained this. Never mind. I didn't read scrollback. | 19:10 |
| GyrosGeier | I didn't know about XENVIRONMENT though | 19:11 |
| GyrosGeier | so that has been helpful | 19:11 |
| suavedandy | Never mind. I already have .Xresources | 19:21 |
| suavedandy | Adding .Xdefaults is kinda redundant in that case. | 19:22 |
| suavedandy | Maybe. | 19:22 |
| suavedandy | I mean, Awesome is set to use .Xresources by default. | 19:22 |
| mason | I always use .Xdefaults here, but that's because .Xresources wasn't a standard thing back when I first used this stuff. | 19:25 |
| suavedandy | mason: Is there a way to set the font size in .Xresources? | 20:08 |
| suavedandy | My vision bad. | 20:08 |
| mason | suavedandy: Depends on the application. For instance, here I have: URxvt.font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Book:pixelsize=15:hinting=false:antialias=true | 20:14 |
| mason | But that's specific to rxvt-unicode. You'd need to find the equivalent setting for the application in question. | 20:15 |
| suavedandy | mason: Correct, Urxvt. | 20:21 |
| suavedandy | Tho I thought about setting up st. | 20:21 |
| mason | I haven't played with that. Is it from suckless? | 20:21 |
| suavedandy | But I'm not sure if it supports transparency or is easy to configure. | 20:21 |
| suavedandy | Yeah. | 20:22 |
| suavedandy | Thought about Alacritty but it isn't in the repos. | 20:22 |
| mason | A big win with rxvt is: URxvt.backgroundPixmap: /home/mason/Pictures/terminal-background.jpg | 20:22 |
| mason | I use a mottled parchment background that gives additional cues that let my broken eyes coordinate better. | 20:22 |
| suavedandy | You mean you can set anime background to Urxvt or something? | 20:23 |
| mason | Not animated that I'm aware of - it's just hooking in libjpeg I believe. | 20:23 |
| suavedandy | Not talking about animated. Talking about a regular image. | 20:24 |
| mason | Yes. | 20:24 |
| suavedandy | I didn't even consider an animated background. That would be pretty nuts if Urxvt supported it. | 20:24 |
| mason | FWIW, here's mine: https://pasteboard.co/JAFtKl1.jpg | 20:24 |
| suavedandy | Is that a gray screen with a line? | 20:25 |
| mason | The image? Might need to allow it to run some JavaScript. | 20:26 |
| suavedandy | Ohhhhhh. | 20:26 |
| gnarface | suavedandy: you can set the font size for all gtk2 programs in ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine and gtk3 programs in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini but if you're having trouble seeing, you should first make sure Xorg is auto-detecting your display DPI correctly before jacking around with the font sizes statically | 20:26 |
| suavedandy | I see. | 20:26 |
| suavedandy | Well, I don't have GNOME stuff, so… | 20:26 |
| suavedandy | Like, I have a terminal and… that's it. | 20:27 |
| suavedandy | AwesomeWM with Urxvt. | 20:27 |
| gnarface | suavedandy: it might be just ~/.gtkrc-2.0 then. (if you look, inside it, the stock Debian one includes ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine for user customizations) | 20:27 |
| suavedandy | I don't have any GTK apps. | 20:28 |
| gnarface | well my assumption is that even without gnome a large swath of your programs are using gtk2 or gtk3 even if you don't know it. i could be wrong. | 20:28 |
| suavedandy | I really doubt that both of these use GTK. | 20:28 |
| mason | Before I moved to rxvt, I used to say "gtk-can-change-accels=1" in .gtkrc-2.0 as various applications lost the ability to customize key bindings on their own. | 20:28 |
| suavedandy | I know how GTK apps look. | 20:28 |
| mason | FWIW, ldd /usr/bin/urxvt doesn't show it linking GTK, and I'd guess it's not dynamically loading it. | 20:29 |
| suavedandy | Those with thicc silver gradient Mac OS X-like theming. | 20:29 |
| suavedandy | *titlebars | 20:29 |
| gnarface | even firefox is still using gtk3, isn't it? | 20:29 |
| suavedandy | Hmmmm… Don't know. | 20:30 |
| mason | It's not hardlinking it anyway. Hrm. Surprising. | 20:30 |
| suavedandy | It def looks nothing like GNOME apps. | 20:30 |
| gnarface | yea, but it doesn't have to | 20:30 |
| gnarface | it's not a mandatory requirement to use the system theme | 20:31 |
| gnarface | (though sometimes the fact it doesn't can expose breakages) | 20:31 |
| gnarface | hell, even Wine obeys my gtk2 Emacs keybindings setting | 20:31 |
| mason | gnarface: https://bpa.st/KNZQ | 20:31 |
| gnarface | mason: use paste.debian.net if you want me to look | 20:31 |
| mason | gnarface: I don't then. Never mind. | 20:32 |
| gnarface | mason: or just /msg it to me | 20:32 |
| mason | gnarface: I choose that one because it's been there forever, is reliable, and doesn't force javascript on users. If you don't wish to use it, I'd be curious to know why. | 20:32 |
| gnarface | mason: i don't recognize it | 20:32 |
| gnarface | mason: i don't need any more reason than that, these days. bad shit is going on | 20:33 |
| mason | Refusing to use pastebin.com would make sense to me, but bpaste is well-liked and reasonable. | 20:33 |
| suavedandy | mason: That .Xresources entry is very long for just changing the font size. | 20:33 |
| mason | suavedandy: That's not just size, it's also specifying rendering characteristics, the font itself, etc. | 20:33 |
| suavedandy | Is there a way to view Urxvt's default configuration tho? | 20:33 |
| suavedandy | mason: Need just the font size changing. The font should remain standard for now. | 20:34 |
| suavedandy | I just need a quick set up before I start digging deeper. My vision is trash. | 20:34 |
| mason | suavedandy: Ah, here we go. If you say urxvt --help it'll show all the compiled-in resources. | 20:35 |
| mason | Oh, no, never mind. It's showing type, not default settings. | 20:35 |
| suavedandy | Damn it, I'm so used to i3's keybinds that I keep quitting Awesome instead of closing a terminal. | 20:37 |
| mason | You should be able to tweak Awesome to match your finger-memory. | 20:37 |
| suavedandy | Eh, I'll make it Vim-like anyway. | 20:40 |
| suavedandy | I'm starting fresh. | 20:40 |
| mason | Whenever I try i3, I have to change the keybindings so it's real vi keys. | 20:40 |
| mason | And then I give up because I can't easily have my 80x40 windows without a lot of pain. At a usable font size for me, they must overlap slightly. So I stick with my Openbox with tiling navigation. | 20:41 |
| suavedandy | Awesome is dynamic. | 20:43 |
| suavedandy | And it has master-stack. | 20:44 |
| suavedandy | Your last window will always be the biggest. | 20:44 |
| suavedandy | And you can switch it with another window from the stack. | 20:45 |
| suavedandy | Just like in DWM. | 20:45 |
| mason | Oh, that's interesting. I've kind of wanted that. Always thought it was called monocle mode. I'll look. | 20:45 |
| suavedandy | The monocle is the different one. Instead of looking like a stack of books it looks more like BSPWM. | 20:48 |
| suavedandy | Not sure that's optimal for large fonts or small displays, really. | 20:48 |
| suavedandy | Master-stack is the second one in the default layouts. | 20:49 |
| suavedandy | mason: What does "style=Book" mean in your config? | 21:12 |
| mason | suavedandy: I'm trying to find the name. It's a variant anyway, with other variants being oblique, bold, etc. | 21:15 |
| suavedandy | Also, there must be font.alias somewhere but I can't find it. | 21:16 |
| mason | suavedandy: https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/dejavu-sans-mono | 21:16 |
| suavedandy | That page has a bizarre snippet from a story about an office worker. | 21:18 |
| suavedandy | For some reason, The Incredibles came to mind. | 21:18 |
| mason | Does it??? | 21:18 |
| suavedandy | Yeah. | 21:18 |
| mason | Oh, as the example text. | 21:19 |
| mason | I didn't even look at what they had there. Heh. | 21:19 |
| suavedandy | Have you watched The Incredibles, mason? | 21:20 |
| mason | Yes. | 21:21 |
| suavedandy | Good family drama. | 21:21 |
| suavedandy | Kinda like The Boys in that it's a deconstruction of the superhero genre. | 21:22 |
| suavedandy | Okay, I tried update-font-alias. Complains for whatever reason. | 21:23 |
| suavedandy | I set size=18, restart Xorg and WHOOAAAAA! | 21:30 |
| suavedandy | That's SO BIG. | 21:30 |
| suavedandy | I mean, size=32 | 21:30 |
| suavedandy | Like, in the terminal 16x32 isn't NEARLY as huge. | 21:31 |
| mason | suavedandy: xrandr --dpi can also be useful | 21:32 |
| suavedandy | Also, what does hinting mean? | 21:33 |
| mason | suavedandy: Font placement. Related to kerning if I understand it. | 21:34 |
| suavedandy | DejaVu Sans Mono… | 21:38 |
| suavedandy | But no DejaVu Sans Undertale… | 21:38 |
| * suavedandy eh-eh-ehs | 21:38 | |
| mason | heh | 21:44 |
| suavedandy | mason: Have you tried using update-font-alias? | 21:45 |
| mason | suavedandy: No, never have. What's it do for me? | 21:46 |
| suavedandy | Well, font alias. | 21:46 |
| suavedandy | I'm asking because it doesn't work, apparently. | 21:46 |
| suavedandy | And I can't find any previously generated alias file either. | 21:47 |
| suavedandy | Tho your method of setting fonts works. | 21:52 |
| suavedandy | But now I have this ugly scrollbar on the left. | 21:53 |
| mason | Oh, you can turn that off too. | 21:55 |
| mason | URxvt.scrollBar: off | 21:55 |
| mason | If it's useful for you, I also set URxvt.loginShell: true | 21:56 |
| mason | and URxvt.letterSpace: -1 | 21:56 |
| mason | This one might not be as good for you as a lot of people just use the classic cut and paste, but I set this stuff for control-c/control-v copy and paste: https://bpa.st/YD7Q | 21:57 |
| mason | Oh, sorry, might also need to turn off the ISO 14755 bits for that last to work: https://bpa.st/DA3A | 21:58 |
| mason | Here's some discussion of that: https://wilmer.gaa.st/blog/archives/36-rxvt-unicode-and-ISO-14755-mode.html | 21:59 |
| hagbard_ | Is the chimera repository currently broken? Keep getting a file size mismatch. | 22:35 |
| clort | hey hagbard_ | 22:40 |
| clort | celine | 22:40 |
| hagbard_ | yes, that's who I stole the name of | 22:41 |
| clort | good books, anti authoritarian. join #devuan-offtopic for chat | 22:47 |
| plexure | hey guys, just installed devuan and for some reason my display manager always gets the resolution wrong (800x600) i've tried the default slim, lightdm and wdm (currently using), is there any fix for this? | 22:49 |
| gnarface | plexure: probably | 22:52 |
| gnarface | only probably | 22:52 |
| suavedandy | Alright. No titlebars, baby. My screen just got cleaner. | 22:52 |
| gnarface | plexure: Intel integrated GPU? | 22:53 |
| plexure | @gnarface i mean i hope so | 22:53 |
| plexure | it makes my wmaker dock display wrong everytime i log in | 22:53 |
| plexure | nah gnar | 22:53 |
| suavedandy | Remember, kids. Titlebars bad. | 22:54 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, what do you grab to move a window? | 22:54 |
| gnarface | plexure: every major vendor has a different potential cause for this basic common malfunction. it's fixable in ~80% of cases, but i can't help you if i'm guessing at the GPU brand | 22:54 |
| fsmithred | and how can you window-shade it without a titlebar? | 22:54 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: The keyboard. | 22:54 |
| plexure | i'll get back to you in a sec, gnarface | 22:55 |
| suavedandy | And maybe you can move the window while holding shift. | 22:55 |
| suavedandy | Just how it should be. | 22:55 |
| fsmithred | you'll have to pry my mouse from my dead hands | 22:56 |
| suavedandy | – Were we supposed to move windows with Shift? | 22:56 |
| suavedandy | – Always have been. | 22:56 |
| fsmithred | how do you do that? | 22:56 |
| suavedandy | You hold Shift and move while holding the mouse button. | 22:57 |
| onefang | I reconfigure all my windows functions to the Windows (tm) key. | 22:57 |
| suavedandy | Standard behavior of some window managers. | 22:57 |
| n4dir | as long i used openbox i had it set to start applications always in full-max mode, without titlebars | 22:57 |
| onefang | Including moving windows. | 22:57 |
| n4dir | but i didn't move them. | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | oh, I like to keep my windows smaller than the desktop | 22:58 |
| plexure | gnarface: it's an NVIDIA geforce 6150SE GPU. | 22:59 |
| plexure | it's an older machine | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | I would need three or four monitors if I always used maximized windows | 22:59 |
| n4dir | the main idea was to do as little as possible. | 22:59 |
| n4dir | Why? I just switch desktops. | 22:59 |
| suavedandy | Might as well just opes GUI apps from TTY. | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | I need to see two things at once for some tasks | 23:00 |
| n4dir | desktop one is terminal, desktop two is another app, usually vcvrack, desktop 3 is web-browser, if opened | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | if I switch desktop, I forget what I was looking at | 23:00 |
| gnarface | plexure: not familiar with that model # but either way you'll need nvidia's official drivers from the non-free section of the repo to make it work right. (nouveau would have been loaded by default and this is probably the best it can do) | 23:00 |
| gnarface | plexure: now, the question is whether current drivers are still gonna support that or if you need the nvidia-legacy ones | 23:00 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: if you do it for a while you know which app is on which desktop | 23:00 |
| n4dir | not saying it is a good solution. Just saying that is how i do it | 23:00 |
| gnarface | plexure: (ubuntu ships nvidia's closed-source stuff stock so you wouldn't have needed to do this step) | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, I'd have to check, but I think I had a 6150 and had to stop using it because it was no longer supported | 23:01 |
| n4dir | mainly too lazy too fiddle with configurations to set up a given WM or DE ... :-) | 23:01 |
| plexure | i'll try and get the legacy drivers from the repos right now, gnarface . | 23:03 |
| onefang | I have a two monitor / five virtual desktop setup. On the right monitor I keep my messaging apps, all set to be on all desktops, so when I switch they stay there. The left monitor is everything else, split between virtual desktops for easy switching. | 23:04 |
| gnarface | plexure: hmm, though fyi https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html is listing that card as decently functional... you might have better luck with the backports kernel than the stock one, but yea the legacy drivers are the only chance of getting "everything" working - unfortunately "everything" will probably not include Steam | 23:05 |
| plexure | oh that's alright, i have no intention on installing steam here :) | 23:05 |
| plexure | my gpu's not on the non-free repos, apparently gnarface | 23:06 |
| plexure | yep it's not here | 23:06 |
| gnarface | either way, auto-detect doesn't always work everywhere, so you might have to specify resolution and ram manually | 23:06 |
| gnarface | nvidia-legacy isn't even there? | 23:06 |
| gnarface | i was sure it was... | 23:06 |
| gnarface | oh, unless something broke and they had to move it to backports | 23:06 |
| plexure | it is, but not my specific model | 23:06 |
| plexure | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=nvidia+legacy&release=beowulf | 23:06 |
| plexure | maybe i'm missing something | 23:07 |
| suavedandy | gnarface: Pop!_OS. | 23:07 |
| * suavedandy runs | 23:07 | |
| gnarface | plexure: i don't think you'd expect the specific card version mentioned in the package name | 23:07 |
| plexure | gnarface: oh i was lol | 23:08 |
| plexure | lots of options here though, i don't know which one to choose | 23:09 |
| gnarface | plexure: no, basically we have 2 versions of the nvidia-legacy driver here (350.108 and 390.138) split across dozens of packages. | 23:09 |
| gnarface | 340.108 i mean | 23:09 |
| plexure | gnarface: ah i see. am i out of luck then? | 23:09 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/beowulf/beowulf/nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver_340.108-3~deb10u1.html | 23:09 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/beowulf/beowulf/nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver_390.138-1~deb10u1.html | 23:10 |
| gnarface | no | 23:10 |
| gnarface | you pick one of the two main packages to start with | 23:10 |
| suavedandy | Okay. I moved the floating layout to the end of the list and now I have master-stack as my default. Brilliant. | 23:10 |
| gnarface | not sure which version | 23:10 |
| gnarface | but you pick one of them, and hopefully it will get the rest of the relevant dependencies | 23:10 |
| gnarface | (if not, install the rest of the same version manually. but don't mix versions) | 23:10 |
| plexure | trying out nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver 340.108-3~deb10u1 first | 23:11 |
| plexure | should i just reboot after that? | 23:11 |
| gnarface | well, i'd check to get the rest of the missing packages from that version that didn't install, THEN reboot | 23:11 |
| suavedandy | But really. Pop!_OS comes with nVidia stuff. | 23:11 |
| suavedandy | Why not that instead of Bubuntu? | 23:12 |
| gnarface | plexure: that's the oldest one still supported so if that doesn't work, you're back to debugging nouveau | 23:12 |
| HumanG33k | nvidia-stuff are non free right ? | 23:12 |
| suavedandy | Yep. | 23:12 |
| gnarface | HumanG33k: yea | 23:12 |
| HumanG33k | so that for why ;) | 23:12 |
| gnarface | plexure: (and it's probably offtopic here, but i just switched to AMD because i got sick of that shit) | 23:12 |
| suavedandy | Linus hates nVidia. | 23:13 |
| plexure | nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver 340.108-3~deb10u1 pulled a lot of dependencies | 23:13 |
| plexure | let's hope for the best | 23:13 |
| gnarface | plexure: it's expected | 23:13 |
| HumanG33k | i m waiting the AI amd framework gnarface | 23:13 |
| HumanG33k | i pretty tired of all non-free stuff. | 23:14 |
| suavedandy | plexure: Are you installing stuff from nVidia's site? | 23:14 |
| gnarface | plexure: you're getting that from beowulf, right? | 23:14 |
| gnarface | suavedandy: i'm pretty sure it's the repo version | 23:15 |
| plexure | i'm not suavedandy, it's from the repos | 23:15 |
| plexure | and yeah it's beowulf gnarface | 23:15 |
| HumanG33k | use the nvidia cleaner between each non-free nvidia stuff try | 23:15 |
| suavedandy | Devuan repos? | 23:15 |
| suavedandy | Because Devuan has a non-free repo. | 23:16 |
| HumanG33k | and reboot btw (remember to have irc on some other device to be prepare to blackscreen attack) | 23:17 |
| plexure | gnarface: worked on first try!! thank you very much | 23:17 |
| suavedandy | HumanG33k: That's some horror-worthy shit. It's like installing a freaking trojan. | 23:17 |
| HumanG33k | nvidia stuf ? | 23:18 |
| plexure | yeah HumanG33k, currently posting this on another device. i'm glad it worked out on first try, though | 23:18 |
| suavedandy | Yeah. | 23:18 |
| HumanG33k | sooo agree | 23:18 |
| suavedandy | nVidia are out of their freaking minds. | 23:18 |
| suavedandy | Lunatics. | 23:18 |
| HumanG33k | last nouveau stuff have a good support but not really company ready … | 23:19 |
| gnarface | plexure: awesome. glad to hear it. | 23:20 |
| gnarface | plexure: if you need to switch to nouveau in the future, the beowulf-backports version might work better than the stock one, but you'll might still have to do annoying things like manually specify the amount of video ram in your Xorg | 23:21 |
| gnarface | plexure: *in your Xorg.conf | 23:22 |
| gnarface | actually it's xorg.conf | 23:22 |
| plexure | will keep it in mind, thanks gnarface :) | 23:22 |
| gnarface | no problem | 23:22 |
| suavedandy | I update the repositories and find out that there are 5 new packages. | 23:29 |
| suavedandy | And I have everything upgraded so those are unrelated to my packages. | 23:29 |
| suavedandy | Are these security upgrades for uninstalled packages or something? | 23:30 |
| n4dir | Short answer: No. | 23:32 |
| suavedandy | I thought Debian and its derivatives don't upgrade packages until release. | 23:32 |
| suavedandy | Is this something critical? | 23:33 |
| suavedandy | Like bugfixes? | 23:33 |
| HumanG33k | it depend of your repository configuration | 23:34 |
| HumanG33k | *ies | 23:34 |
| HumanG33k | stable => only security | 23:35 |
| HumanG33k | backport => some fix and new version | 23:35 |
| HumanG33k | (stable have some fix too but not sure) | 23:35 |
| HumanG33k | suavedandy, take the time to grab your free version of debian handbook. | 23:36 |
| HumanG33k | full of nice stuff | 23:36 |
| suavedandy | That's the thing. I have stable. | 23:37 |
| suavedandy | Is it because I've connected backports- BUT OF COURSE IT IS. | 23:38 |
| suavedandy | I am dumb. | 23:38 |
| RhineDevil | taking a look at https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/maintainers/PackagingGuide.md, how could I create a basic ceres chroot and then copydelete it everytime I need to build something? | 23:38 |
| RhineDevil | I don't want to download the same packages over and over again if they're part of the basic system | 23:39 |
| n4dir | the most easy solution is probably to copy the original chroot, work in the copy, delete that when done. | 23:42 |
| RhineDevil | n4dir, I'd wish to do this with something as-simple as the command written here | 23:42 |
| RhineDevil | Doesn't matter if I need to configure some weird things | 23:44 |
| RhineDevil | I just want something like, ok, build my package for ceres and it does it | 23:45 |
| gnarface | RhineDevil: try cp -a -l? | 23:53 |
| gnarface | RhineDevil: (-a -l would make copy-on-write hardlinks of the chroot instead of actually copying) | 23:54 |
| n4dir | probably would be best to use something like rsync -auv --delete old_chroot work_chroot, hoping that that way you would only delete whatever was added to the working_chroot. | 23:54 |
| n4dir | not saying that command would work, too late here, just to give the idea | 23:55 |
| RhineDevil | there isn't something that does this by itself automatically? How does the devuan server do this? | 23:55 |
| RhineDevil | *servers | 23:55 |
| gnarface | RhineDevil: you could set up a caching proxy for apt or your own private repo if you wanted it to be transparent to the package management processs | 23:57 |
| n4dir | as mentioned at the website you linked to one of the usual ways is to use pbuilder. | 23:57 |
| suavedandy | Lovely. Set up a basic AwesomeWM config, scaled everything and enlarged the terminal's font, painted it black so it doesn't annoy my eyes and turned off titlebars. | 23:57 |
| suavedandy | Now I can have some sleep. | 23:57 |
| suavedandy | Wait. Is there an X font that looks 80's like Terminus? | 23:58 |
| suavedandy | Want a cool hacker font for my terminal. | 23:59 |
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