gnarface | suavedandy: dunno but there's a boat load of fonts: "apt-cache search ^ttf-" and "apt-cache search ^fonts-" | 00:01 |
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gnarface | suavedandy: (that should show most of them... there might be a metapackage or something to get all of them) | 00:01 |
n4dir | RhineDevil: not sure if i understand it correct, but look at "copy the base.tgz" https://wiki.debian.org/Diaspora/Packaging/pbuilder | 00:03 |
Human_G33k | RhineDevil, apt-source | 00:04 |
Human_G33k | ? | 00:04 |
r3boot | suavedandy: https://www.dafont.com/dec-terminal-modern.font | 00:07 |
suavedandy | r3boot: Is that the terminal from The Matrix? | 00:08 |
r3boot | No, from 80s era VT220 DEC terminals :P | 00:08 |
r3boot | it's a rebuild of the fonts that were contained in the font cardridge of those terminals | 00:09 |
r3boot | it used to be packaged for linux as well, but I cant seem to find it anywhere but here | 00:09 |
hagbard_ | I have that on an actual DEC terminal. | 00:09 |
r3boot | which one? | 00:10 |
* r3boot has a vt510 + vt420 | 00:10 | |
hagbard_ | 420 | 00:11 |
r3boot | ah nice one | 00:16 |
hagbard_ | hmm, the chimaera repo still seems to be b0rked | 00:18 |
suavedandy | Eh, Inconsolata seems fine. | 00:34 |
suavedandy | Yeah, WAAAY better than DejaVu Sans Undertale. | 00:37 |
n4dir | xfonts-terminus is not good? | 00:37 |
suavedandy | There's xfonts-terminus? | 00:37 |
n4dir | yes | 00:37 |
n4dir | but you ask the wrong guy about fonts. To me they all look alike. I only used xfonts-terminus for the cool name | 00:38 |
suavedandy | Gimme a sec. | 00:38 |
suavedandy | When you look closely, you'll notice that DejaVu has those ugly hooks. | 00:39 |
gnarface | i like bitstream vera sans mono, but hexchat cuts off the bottom of letters so i'm using deja-vu mono instead | 00:39 |
gnarface | bitstream looks better IMO | 00:39 |
suavedandy | Especially noticable when you look at "l." | 00:39 |
n4dir | well, i do see that some are more ugly than others. But i never really get it | 00:39 |
suavedandy | It looks like ass. | 00:40 |
n4dir | looks like i use Liberation Mono in st. Kinda works for me | 00:40 |
suavedandy | Hmm, I like how Cyrillic looks with Inconsolata. | 00:41 |
gnarface | oh, woops i'm using Liberation too actually | 00:42 |
gnarface | i forgot | 00:42 |
gnarface | hexchat doesn't jack it up either | 00:42 |
gnarface | microsoft packaged their web core fonts | 00:42 |
gnarface | so nothing is really stopping you from using courier new | 00:42 |
gnarface | just fyi | 00:42 |
gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/beowulf/beowulf/ttf-mscorefonts-installer_3.7.html | 00:43 |
gnarface | well, they didn't really package them, they packaged a downloader for them | 00:43 |
gnarface | but it works | 00:43 |
gnarface | fixes a whole slew of issues with wine | 00:44 |
suavedandy | Yeah, I've installed Terminus. | 00:45 |
suavedandy | Looks sexy. | 00:45 |
suavedandy | Had it in TTY before as well. | 00:45 |
n4dir | should have said it earlier then. I first thought you excluded that already. Well, good anyway | 00:46 |
suavedandy | No way, dude. | 00:46 |
suavedandy | It's freaking Terminus. | 00:46 |
suavedandy | Aaand I can't change its size. | 00:47 |
suavedandy | I'll just go back to Inconsolata then. | 00:49 |
suavedandy | Sad. Terminus in TTY was hella sick. | 00:49 |
suavedandy | Aaand Inconsolata doesn't support Cyrillic. | 00:53 |
suavedandy | Fantastic. | 00:53 |
suavedandy | Well, I'll switch to Courier, I guess. | 00:53 |
suavedandy | I could go full English because it's my second language but… nah. | 00:54 |
gnarface | we do really need some better fonts | 00:54 |
gnarface | we have a ton but it's fair to say they're highly derivative and mostly poor quality | 00:55 |
suavedandy | Don't get me wrong. Terminus is awesome. And it works with Cyrillic. I just don't know how to make it bigger. Maybe I wrote something wrong or something. | 00:58 |
suavedandy | Anyway, I'm gonna go get some sleep. | 01:42 |
unixbsd | Ign:1 http://be.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease | 07:38 |
unixbsd | Err:2 http://be.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii Release 404 Not Found [IP: 5.135.82.179 80] | 07:38 |
unixbsd | Hit:3 https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/ms-teams stable InRelease | 07:38 |
unixbsd | Reading package lists... Done | 07:38 |
unixbsd | E: The repository 'http://be.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii Release' does no longer have a Release file. | 07:38 |
unixbsd | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. | 07:38 |
unixbsd | N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. | 07:38 |
unixbsd | it seems that sources list is looking bit strange | 07:38 |
rrq | worth to note that http://be.deb.devuan.org gains a 301 redirect to deb.devuan.org which is the mirror collection | 08:33 |
luser977 | I like the DejaVu fonts. | 16:04 |
suavedandy | I just installed st. Can't find config.h | 17:20 |
suavedandy | What should I do? | 17:20 |
r3boot | suavedandy: config.h is part of the sourcecode for st. After you change it, you need to recompile & install it | 17:21 |
r3boot | also, I was wondering, do you already know cool-retro-term? :) | 17:22 |
suavedandy | No. | 17:22 |
r3boot | it can give another dimension to 80s style terminals iig | 17:22 |
suavedandy | Does that mean that it won't get any upgrades after I compile it? That's the Git version, not the version from the repos. | 17:23 |
suavedandy | If I'll have to change stterm, will I need to purge the one from the repo first? | 17:25 |
suavedandy | And get st from GitHub instead? | 17:25 |
suavedandy | Does that mean that it was pointless to install st from the repo when I'll have to download the source code anyway? | 17:27 |
suavedandy | Yeah, I've just asked the same question with different wording. | 17:28 |
suavedandy | r3boot: cool-retro-term isn't in the repos. | 17:31 |
fsmithred | cool-retro-term is in ceres | 17:32 |
suavedandy | I'm on Beowulf. | 17:33 |
fsmithred | so choices are backport it or wait until you catch up to it. | 17:34 |
fsmithred | what did you do to get the error about missing config.h? | 17:34 |
suavedandy | There is no error. | 17:36 |
fsmithred | why were you looking for config.h? | 17:36 |
suavedandy | Apparently if you install the binary instead of building from source you get the vanilla config. | 17:36 |
suavedandy | So you can't reconfigure st. | 17:37 |
fsmithred | well, yeah, you get whatever the devs made | 17:37 |
suavedandy | Well, that sucks. | 17:37 |
fsmithred | lol | 17:37 |
suavedandy | Back to Urxvt, I guess. | 17:37 |
fsmithred | switch to gentoo and you get to compile everything | 17:37 |
fsmithred | just the way you want it | 17:37 |
suavedandy | Do not want to maintain a Git repo fork. | 17:37 |
suavedandy | Do not want. | 17:38 |
fsmithred | otherwise, hope the devs use sane defaults. And debian has historically used sane defaults. | 17:38 |
suavedandy | That's Suckless we're talking about. | 17:38 |
fsmithred | how often do you thing stterm gets changes? | 17:38 |
fsmithred | thing/think | 17:38 |
suavedandy | You can't even set the font without recompiling. | 17:38 |
fsmithred | eww | 17:38 |
fsmithred | -f font | 17:39 |
fsmithred | defines the font to use when st is run. | 17:39 |
suavedandy | Have any alternatives to st? | 17:41 |
suavedandy | Other than Urxvt. | 17:41 |
fsmithred | there are many terminals. I don't know which ones will do what you need. | 17:41 |
suavedandy | What do you use. | 17:42 |
fsmithred | I use xfce4-terminal and lxterminal the most | 17:42 |
fsmithred | and xterm in my scripts when needed | 17:42 |
suavedandy | You use a stacking WM? | 17:42 |
fsmithred | I use xfce or openbox | 17:42 |
suavedandy | Stacking WM it is. | 17:42 |
suavedandy | No wonder. | 17:42 |
suavedandy | Well, I don't want the menus and the buttons and all that jazz. | 17:43 |
suavedandy | Just a clean window with a black screen. | 17:43 |
suavedandy | The menus clutter space. | 17:43 |
suavedandy | And force me to use a mouse. | 17:44 |
fsmithred | I see rxvt(-unicode) but not urxvt | 17:45 |
fsmithred | and when I search for rxvt, I also see aterm and eterm | 17:45 |
fsmithred | I think eterm does have a menu bar. I used it long ago. | 17:46 |
fsmithred | oh, aterm is just a dummy for rxvt-unicode | 17:47 |
suavedandy | fsmithred: Urxvt is the alternative name for rxvt-unicode. | 17:47 |
fsmithred | that's the command? | 17:47 |
suavedandy | It's used everywhere outside the package name itself. | 17:47 |
suavedandy | For convenience. | 17:47 |
suavedandy | The command, yeah. | 17:47 |
suavedandy | Urxvt is an abreviation. | 17:48 |
suavedandy | *abbreviation | 17:48 |
rkta | suavedandy: Maintaining a st repo is really painless, it compiles faster as an apt upgrade will run and doesn't change much. I switched because the better font and easier inc-/decreasing it. Just change the config.mk to your needs and stash before you pull. But you should know C and git. | 19:16 |
mason | suavedandy: Did you decide you don't want urxvt? And with a lot of the suckless tools, distributions packaging them is a bit awkward. You're probably better off sticking with source builds and managing them with GNU Stow. | 19:17 |
suavedandy | Are there console fonts bigger than 16x32? | 19:23 |
mason | suavedandy: Depending on your framebuffer, it might make more sense to think about virtual console resolution. | 19:29 |
rkta | suavedandy: config.h points to http://freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html for font configuration. I guess it depends of what font you install | 19:32 |
mason | console-setup(5) lists the available font faces and sizes. | 19:32 |
mason | under the section "FONTFACE and FONTSIZE". And 16x32 is the biggest. | 19:32 |
suavedandy | mason: Can I check current console resolution? | 20:03 |
mason | suavedandy: I've never tried. Interesting. Looks like there's "hwinfo --framebuffer" available to get possible values, but this doesn't show the current or default one that I can see. | 20:05 |
suavedandy | mason: How do you chande the VT resolution exactly? | 20:26 |
mason | suavedandy: This discusses the method and notes a potentially conflicting driver: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/12/msg00961.html | 20:27 |
suavedandy | mason: What does x32 mean at the end of the resolution? | 20:28 |
mason | I'm assuming it's bit depth for colour. | 20:29 |
suavedandy | Also, why is it 4:3? | 20:29 |
mason | That's the monitor they've got I guess. | 20:29 |
gnarface | you should be able to set any resolution | 20:29 |
gnarface | (that is supported by the display and the driver) | 20:29 |
gnarface | almost nothing is going to bother using more than 16 colors (no, not 16-bit color, i mean 16 colors) | 20:30 |
mason | gnarface: Is the 32 colours or bit depth? | 20:30 |
gnarface | mason: oh, it's bit depth. there's just really not many (any??) console programs that can use that many colors. | 20:31 |
suavedandy | 1024x768x32 | 20:31 |
gnarface | if you're playing video to the framebuffer directly it might be useful though | 20:31 |
suavedandy | xx | 20:31 |
suavedandy | xXx | 20:31 |
gnarface | though, i didn't even need to set the resolution and color depth here. i just needed the "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep" line and to remove the "nomodeset" option i'd previously put there to avoid a nvidia bug | 20:31 |
gnarface | then grub auto-detected correct resolution&color depth, and the VT inherited it | 20:32 |
gnarface | i would say if grub shows you the right resolution, try just using the "keep" line. | 20:33 |
gnarface | (and yea, if neither works, find the conflicting driver and blacklist it) | 20:33 |
gnarface | (usually a problem with older versions of nouveau+nvidia drivers fighting with each other, but other combinations might be bad for other video hardware) | 20:34 |
suavedandy | gnarface: What I'm trying to do is to enlarge the font beyond 16x32. | 20:41 |
mason | alright, back to napping as I want to kick this cold. | 20:50 |
suavedandy | Good news: GRUB does change its resolution. | 20:54 |
mason | suavedandy: Goes it persist into the kernel? | 20:55 |
suavedandy | Bad news: while booting it switches back. | 20:55 |
mason | (I got caught up in updating sdd notes.) | 20:55 |
mason | suavedandy: This might involve blacklisting the driver in question then. | 20:55 |
mason | or setting nomodeset maybe? | 20:55 |
mason | try nomodeset first I'd say | 20:56 |
suavedandy | The question is which is this driver in question. | 20:56 |
suavedandy | nomodeset? | 20:56 |
suavedandy | I kinda find it funny that the first instructions I get is from Dell. | 20:59 |
suavedandy | This manufacturer seems to be quite interested in GNU/Linux, it seems. | 20:59 |
suavedandy | Do they manufacture GNU/Linux laptops like System76 or something? | 21:00 |
koollman | a few models, yes | 21:00 |
suavedandy | Good news: it worked. | 21:03 |
suavedandy | Bad news: Awesome is very unhappy with this. | 21:04 |
suavedandy | I'll figure out what I can do. | 21:04 |
miskatonic | awesome window manager? | 21:04 |
suavedandy | hdaudio: unable to bind the codec… | 21:09 |
suavedandy | Hmmmmmmmmm. | 21:09 |
suavedandy | miskatonic: Yes. | 21:09 |
golinux | Just noticed this on the forum: Guests online: 101 | 21:18 |
golinux | Never seen that many before at one time. | 21:18 |
suavedandy | mason: Seems like the resolution changing doesn't work if the resolution isn't 4:3. | 21:28 |
suavedandy | And yeah, I get those hdaudio codec complaints with nomodeset. | 21:35 |
suavedandy | And how can I make graphical GRUB and a cool animation instead of a scrolling init script? | 21:40 |
gnarface | suavedandy: you can probably get the video hardware to cough up a list of supported text resolutions with the kernel cmdline parameter "vga=ask" | 22:04 |
gnarface | suavedandy: (it will prompt you with a numbered list, you might have to memorize the number and look up the translation table) | 22:05 |
suavedandy | gnarface: It is obvious that it's something around 4:3. | 22:08 |
suavedandy | I tested it. | 22:08 |
suavedandy | There's an answer on AskUbuntu that lists all of the resolutions that work. | 22:09 |
suavedandy | Along these are 1600x1200, 1280x1024 and 800x600. | 22:09 |
suavedandy | They all seem to work. | 22:10 |
suavedandy | Anything else I tried does nothing. | 22:11 |
suavedandy | So it's pretty much useless. | 22:11 |
suavedandy | I don't want to have a stretched monitor. | 22:11 |
gnarface | suavedandy: i'm sorry to inform you that this may be a hardware limitation... at the very least to make it budge you're gonna have to modify the driver, but usually this is all the hardware can do. :( | 22:35 |
gnarface | suavedandy: (and no, i don't really know why, but i assume it's generally cost) | 22:35 |
suavedandy | So. After starting unclutter once my cursor gets hidden after being idle for 1 second after every Xorg startup. | 23:32 |
suavedandy | I haven't really written the command into .Xresources | 23:32 |
suavedandy | Weird I say. | 23:33 |
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