libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2020-11-18

user234234Hello14:54
user234234Hi14:55
user234234What is the best and most stable package deb url for sources.list`?14:55
user234234It appears that deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main are both non working or i.e. being unreliable.14:57
user234234I would have to find a reliable deb url for my sources.list, i.e. one that I can count on, ie. remaining available, stable, and non broken package.s14:57
user234234At least one would be greatly helpful...14:57
clortgood question. i only have deb.devuan.org.  i expect there is a list of mirrors available14:58
user234234yeah but this deb.devuan.org is usually having broken packages, low donwload speed and so one. Is there something better, like debian servers?15:05
buZzdeb.devuan.org isnt a single server15:05
buZzwhy are you still in ascii ?15:05
onefangdeb.devuan.org is a DNS round robin of package mirrors.  You are likely just unlucky getting a bad one.15:06
onefangDon't use pkgmaster, it's the master that the other mirrors sync from, we don't want it being bogged down by others using it.15:07
onefanghttps://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html might be helpful.  https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt is the official list of package mirrors.15:07
user234234I use ascii because it just works. There are many thousand bugs in stable.15:10
user234234I cannot spend my day with reportbug.15:10
onefangNothing wrong with still using ASCII.15:11
user234234yeah, but pkgmaster is slightly working better than deb.devuan.org. The deb.devuan.org is each month slow or with broken packages. In August, I had serious troubles to use deb.devuan.org.15:11
user234234Well, both arent working well. Is there at least one that would work?15:12
onefangLook at that list of mirrors, pick one and try it.15:12
onefangAs I said, pkgmaster is the master one everyone else syncs to.15:12
user234234But... if the mother one, deb.devuan.org, it is very likely that error are rsync/cloned to mirrors as well.15:12
onefangSo if everyone is using pkgmaster, then it gets bogged down and ends up being too slow for everyone.15:13
buZzoh, i notice you're using http:// ?15:14
buZzmaybe move to https?15:14
onefangDo not use https on deb.devuan.org.15:14
buZzoh, cause of the round robin i guess15:14
onefangYep.15:14
onefangThat first link I posted is the monitoring system for the package mirrors.15:15
user234234http or https, I actually dont mind. if it just works anytime.15:15
user234234well, I remember that debian had also some years at beginning broken package. today it is very reliable. matter of years to get mature.15:16
onefangThere have been some problems recently with the system that feeds packages into pkgmaster, I think we almost have them sorted out.15:17
user234234Well, since august is like this until today. Maybe another solutions would be kindly useful to have. I have in mind to set up another server for devuan, alternative one.15:21
onefanguser234234 should have stuck around, if they want to set up a new Devuan package mirror, I'm the one to talk with.15:25
onefangThough I should be sleeping soon.  lol15:25
Junicchihow can i make pulseaudio automatically starting when booting?15:41
JorilJunicchi: see /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf16:11
JorilIt's written in the Beowulf release notes, I'm not sure why the Devuan setup doesn't handle this automatically16:13
L29Ahi'm trying to run Devuan on Raspberry Pi B+, and just putting unxz'd http://arm-files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_armel_rpi1_0.3.img.xz on a SD card produces no reaction from RPi; am i doing something wrong?16:31
JunicchiJoril: eeh16:33
Junicchii was wondering why it wasn't starting even tho i set autospawn to yes on /etc/pulse/client.conf16:34
ShorTieL29Ah, just unxz'd is most likely not gonna work, need to actually write the img to the sdcard16:39
L29Ahtry again16:39
L29Ahraspios works on the same setup16:58
ShorTie??, what cha mean17:07
n4dirhow can i stop pulseaudio?17:26
james1138n4dir: I purged pulseaudio and installed "apulse" - PulseAudio emulation for ALSA - GitHub17:29
fsmithredn4dir, you want to kill a running process, or you want to stop it from autospawning?17:30
miskatonicfsmithred of refracta fame?17:30
fsmithredyeah17:30
fsmithreddo I know you17:30
fsmithred?17:30
miskatonicfsmithred: no, I just stumbled about that thing on a site called sysdfree.wordpress.com17:31
fsmithredaha17:31
fsmithredfeels weird to be called famous17:31
miskatonicfsmithred: recently in the context iof how to use openrc as pid1 poroperly on debianish systems17:32
fsmithreddefault setup is to use the sysvinit scripts17:32
n4diri just want to stop it from running right now.17:32
fsmithredyou can install openrc and not notice any difference except for some different colors as the boot text scrolls by17:32
fsmithredpkill pulseaudio?17:33
fsmithredthat probably won't work if it's set to autospawn17:33
n4dirha ha. That would work.17:33
fsmithred - If you have no sound, make sure the following line in17:33
fsmithred   /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf is commented as17:33
fsmithred   shown here:17:33
fsmithred   #autospawn=no17:33
n4dirIsn't there a more fine grained approach?17:33
fsmithredso to do the opposite, uncomment that line17:33
fsmithredthen when you kill it, it will stay dead17:33
n4dirit doesn't autospawn. If at all i start it via cadence, which controls jack, but also can start pulse17:34
fsmithredps ax |grep pulse17:34
n4diryeah, still runs17:34
n4dirmy naive approach is to look at /etc/init.d; but there ain't no pulse17:34
fsmithredbecause of the autospawn line?17:35
n4dirno, there is no17:35
n4diras said, i start it witch cadence (if at all)17:35
fsmithredare you missing that config file?17:35
n4dirno, it is there, but it says no17:35
n4diri mean if something can be started it should be also possible to stop it, no?17:36
fsmithredfigure out what is restarting it17:36
n4dirit isn't restarted. It never stopped running17:36
n4diri guess i will just use pkill17:36
fsmithredI'm gonna make a wild guess and say the pavucontrol probably does not have a switch to turn off pulseaudio.17:37
fsmithredbecause it assumes that nobody would ever want to do that17:37
n4dirlol17:37
fsmithredif you're into panel buttons, you can make one that just gives the pkill command17:38
fsmithredI used to do that with vlc because it hung a lot.17:38
n4dirPerhaps i could try to stop pulse again from cadence before i stop jack. But once jack stopped, pulse is stopped in cadence too. But ps_mem.py still shows it17:38
n4dirnah, pkill is easy enough. Just wondering what is the propper way17:38
n4dirI would also not know how to start pulseaudio, besides via cadence.17:39
n4dirwhat a mess.17:39
fsmithredI stay away from PA17:39
n4dirI think i used it for audio in firefox. But now use falkon anyway. But I set vlc and ... mhh ... something else .. ah: audacious to use pulse17:40
n4dircould reset that. But not sure if with this setup both can use either jack or alsa17:41
miskatonicyeah, pulseaudio is from the same school as systemd17:41
fsmithredfalkon uses alsa?17:41
n4dirshit knows. Most of the time it just plays sound.17:41
fsmithredcan falkon use jack?17:41
n4dirSometimes it doesn't, then i use pulse.17:41
n4dirfsmithred: as said, i don't really know. But falkon is the one program which kinda always works, as far sound is concerned17:41
n4dirit doesn't matter: right after booting, wihtout jack, with jack started via cadence or jack via cadence and pulse too17:42
n4dirthere is nearly always sound17:42
fsmithredwell, I tried testing falkon, but it crashes before I can get to a vid file17:42
n4dirbut then: usually i start the browser very late. After vcvRack. Then jack already runs. Don't take my word for it17:43
n4dirYeah, you said so. Had the problem on (perhaps) Debian, but on Devuan it doesn't crash17:43
n4dirHad it on other distros too.17:43
n4dirIt sure isn't that great, to create a need to troublecheck that.17:44
fsmithredqrc:data/thumbnailer.qml:2:1: module "QtWebEngine" is not installed17:44
n4diri think with systemd you systemctl --user ; or such to stop pulseaudio.17:45
fsmithredthen maybe try loginctl17:45
fsmithredif elogind is installed17:45
fsmithreds17:45
n4diroh, never heard of that17:45
n4dirwill try it later.17:46
n4dirfirst real life problem: sunflower seeds. :-)17:47
fsmithredwhat about them?17:47
n4diri first need to get them. Not enought time to investigate loginctl right now17:47
n4dirand apulse is kind of a solution for, say, firefox needing pulseaudio?17:49
fsmithrednouveau: kernel rejected pushbuf: No such file or directory17:49
fsmithredyeah, apulse is to replace pulseaudio17:49
fsmithredmainly for ff, but works for other things, too17:49
n4dirok. Good, thanks to james1138 then.17:49
fsmithredI think it works with that microsoft chat thingy17:50
fsmithreddamn, I can't remember the name.17:50
n4dirgotta keep it in mind, as as anyone else i don't really need jack. And sure not on all machines17:50
fsmithredso that file that falkon is complaining about is only found in nvidia packages.17:51
n4diruhum. And you got nvidia?17:51
fsmithrednouveau17:51
n4dirhmm. ...17:52
n4dirwell: as said, i don't think it is worth to troubleshoot falkon.17:52
L29Ahwhat "Package:" line do i put in a bug report email if it is about release images?18:05
fsmithredhang on...18:05
james1138Glad to help whenever I can n4dir.18:06
ShorTiethose images where made, but never tested18:06
fsmithreddevuan-installer18:06
fsmithredwaht images?18:07
ShorTieany of the rpi images i do believe18:08
fsmithredthe ones in the debian-installer tree are built but not tested18:08
fsmithredthe community-built images I assume have been tested18:09
ShorTiemine works fine .. :)~18:09
fsmithredthe ones at http://arm-files.devuan.org/ are the community images18:10
ShorTieyou guys deleted my working image18:11
fsmithredwhere was it?18:11
ShorTienever to be uploaded again, lol.18:11
fsmithredI don't recall deleting any of the images18:11
ShorTiethe old github thingy18:11
fsmithredoh18:12
ShorTielink is in the forums18:12
fsmithredif you have a copy of the repo, you should make an account at the new git and upload it18:12
fsmithredthen we can fix the link18:12
ShorTiethe script to make it is on my github, be my guess18:14
fsmithredoh, just add another post to the thread with the github link18:14
fsmithredoh, weird typo I almost sent: gitbug18:15
fsmithredfalkon with nouveau works if started like this: QT_XCB_FORCE_SOFTWARE_OPENGL=1 falkon18:17
fsmithredI had to add libqt5webengine5. It did not get installed along with falkon.18:18
suavedandyfsmithred: Where can I find Refracta Installer's config file?18:26
fsmithredsuavedandy, /etc/refractainstaller.conf18:28
suavedandyThanks.18:29
suavedandyfsmithred: But how do I edit the script?18:39
fsmithredwhat are you trying to do?18:40
suavedandyBtrFS.18:40
suavedandySo I won't get my system broken next time.18:41
fsmithredI don't know how to do it. I have done it and I have written about it on the forum. The last post in one of those threads summarizes how to do it with refractainstaller and how to do it with the devuan-installer.18:42
fsmithredI do not recall editing the script, but if I did, I would have said so in the thread.18:43
suavedandyIt's written in the summary.18:47
fsmithredline numbers to edit are referenced here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=19488#p1948818:52
fsmithredafk18:53
WafficusHi there, I have a question regarding installing Jami21:10
WafficusI installed it via the Debian based instructions on the Jami website21:10
Wafficushowever, when I followed the instructions on the page:21:10
Wafficushttps://jami.net/download-jami-linux/#open-modal-ubuntu-18.04-64-bit21:11
Wafficus*under Debian21:11
WafficusI received this particular set of error lines regarding a dependency, and I'm wondering its because I'm using Devuan21:11
Wafficus:21:11
Wafficussam@samdevuan ~ $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install jami21:11
WafficusGet:1 https://dl.jami.net/nightly/ubuntu_18.04 ring InRelease [3,632 B]21:11
WafficusGet:2 https://dl.jami.net/nightly/ubuntu_18.04 ring/main i386 Packages [1,807 B]21:11
WafficusGet:3 https://dl.jami.net/nightly/ubuntu_18.04 ring/main amd64 Packages [1,807 B]21:11
WafficusHit:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease21:11
WafficusGet:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease [25.6 kB]21:11
WafficusGet:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates InRelease [26.0 kB]21:11
WafficusGet:7 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security/main Sources [131 kB]21:11
WafficusHey there21:23
Wafficussorry about the overpaste earlier21:24
WafficusMy tmux session has a mind of its own21:24
Wafficussorry about the overpaste earlier21:24
Wafficusis there anyway to also obtain "libqrencode3" onto my Devuan system?21:24
WafficusI ask because I currently have "libqrencode4" installed, but I think Jami wants "libqrencode3"21:24
Wafficusah i see that the "libqrencode3" packages is available in Debian Jessie:21:27
Wafficushttps://packages.debian.org/jessie/libqrencode321:27
WafficusI did lsb_release -a, and it appears that I am on Devuan Beowulf, though I can't remember if I forced it to upgrade to Sid. I think it has to be on Sid because I'm able to see the "libqrencode4" package in "apt-cache search libqrencode": https://packages.debian.org/sid/libqrencode421:29
WafficusI ask because I don't know how to use a previous release's packages. I'm assuming you have to adjust the apt list somehow21:29
gnarfaceWafficus: in theory yea, you could just get that package from the jessie repos by changing your sources.list21:32
Wafficusis it possible just to modify it slightly to do this21:33
gnarfaceWafficus: yea, but needing to do so in the first place suggests you're using the wrong version of Jami21:33
Wafficusthe thing is, the one in the repos I think is old21:33
Wafficusreason being is that I think the newer Jami depends upon QR codes21:33
Wafficuswhich isn't present from the Devuan package repo21:34
gnarface?21:34
gnarfacehmm21:34
Wafficuslike21:34
Wafficusyou have to exchange QR codes between two people I believe21:34
WafficusI'm pursuing this because I actively use Devuan on my Linux laptop21:34
gnarfacewell the package thinks it needs libqrencode3 but that's not proof the software can't use libqrencode4 instead21:34
gnarfaceso there's that too21:34
gnarfaceis there source available for Jami? i know nothing about it21:34
Wafficusand my mom uses a Windows 10 laptop, so I'm trying to see if I can get Jami working on my work laptop running Windows 10 and seeing if I can actually do a call with the same version using my Devuan laptop21:34
Wafficusbut the last line indicates this though21:35
Wafficusone sec21:35
Wafficuswill grab just the LAST line not the full set ha21:35
golinuxWafficus: Based on Debian does not equate to being Debian.  Ubuntu packages may not be compatible.21:36
Wafficus jami : Depends: libqrencode3 (>= 3.2.0) but it is not installable21:36
WafficusE: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.21:36
gnarfaceright, so you can either rebuild jami or you can rebuild libqrencode321:36
gnarfacethose are the only two kosher ways to do this21:37
gnarfaceyou shouldn't be mixing distros or even distro release versions21:37
gnarfaceso you're asking for trouble already21:37
gnarfacethere's a number of ways you can fudge it but they're all ill-advised and i don't know if they'll even work when it comes down to it21:38
gnarfacejami seems to be in ceres21:38
gnarfaceif it's not in beowulf, maybe try building the ceres version instead21:38
gnarfaceactually, if it's popular and easy to rebuild there's a good chance it would be in beowulf-backports already.  did you check there for it?21:39
gnarfacegetting it from *ubuntu* is suicidal21:40
gnarfacei hope you have a backup from before you installed any ubuntu packages, in case it all goes sideways in a very predictable fashion21:40
Wafficusyeah I realized I should have been using the Debian 10 instructions21:40
Wafficusdumb mistake on my part21:40
WafficusI since removed the jami reference in the /etc21:41
Wafficusso we're ok21:41
Wafficuseven with the nightly build, it looks a bit different from the Windows version21:41
Wafficushowever, maybe its just me being new to it, but I tried to do a video call from the Devuan laptop to the Windows one, and that didn't seem to work. It just failed upon trying21:41
clorti see libqrencode4 on devuan ceres21:41
fsmithredWafficus, is there some reason why you don't want to use jami from the repo?21:41
WafficusNot sure if I need to just add the QR code accordingly or something, I'll have to check out a YouTube video21:41
WafficusI wanted the latest nightly build21:42
Wafficusjust to make sure it was compatible with the latest Windows Build21:42
gnarfaceWafficus: the debian 10 instructions might not include the necessary permission settings for devuan21:42
clortthere's a jami from devuan repo, yes.21:42
WafficusI've been burned in the past before for trying an incompatible or old version of stuff like Jitsi Meet before in a similar fashion21:42
fsmithred2019 versions in repo21:42
Wafficusright, not the latest nightly build though21:42
gnarfaceWafficus: the windows version might work in wine21:43
Wafficusanyway, I got it to run with their instructions, just trying to figure out why the test call isn't working unfortunately21:43
gnarfaceWafficus: if it matters that much to you21:43
Wafficushmm, that's not a bad idea if all else fails to be honest21:43
gnarfaceWafficus: that even would still be less destructive of a plan than mixing in ubuntu packages21:43
clortdropping in packages from ubuntu or debian can cause problems21:43
WafficusI gotcha, i'll try the Windows version as well for compatibility's sake21:49
clortit's also out-of-bounds for devuan support21:50
gnarfaceWafficus: note that a super common thing for windows programs to choke on is just missing the stock fonts.  (i recommend installing corefonts and tahoma from winetricks; fonts are pretty harmless)21:50
clortnewer packages than beowulf are available in ceres21:52
Wafficusyeah I tried this with Wine, but no dice :/21:52
Wafficussam@samdevuan ~/Downloads $ wine jami.release.x64.msi21:52
Wafficuswine: Bad EXE format for Z:\home\sam\Downloads\jami.release.x64.msi.21:52
gnarfaceno you can't just run msi files like that i don't think21:52
gnarfacei thought you had to install them a different way... hmmm21:52
gnarfacei forget though21:52
gnarfacealso, the "wine" package is ancient, try wine-development instead21:53
gnarface(or wine-staging from the winehq.org site as a last resrot)21:53
gnarface*resort21:53
Wafficusok, wine-development it is21:58
Wafficuswill check this in a bit, cool thanks21:58
gnarfacejust make sure you don't mix wine package versions, either21:59
gnarfacedpkg -l |grep wine21:59
gnarfacemake sure to remove old versions first22:00
Wafficusgood idea22:00
gnarfacedefault prefix is ~/.wine but you can set it to anything with $WINEPREFIX22:00
gnarfaceso you can have more than one of them that way22:00
gnarfaceso you can try different stuff in parallel installs22:00
n4dirfsmithred: just a little info: if i stop pulseaudio from cadence before i stop jack, that works too.22:00
gnarfaceWafficus: although to be fair if their linux and windows versions aren't compatible it seems like a huge failing, and you should probably see what's up with that... maybe it's just a bug22:01
Wafficuscurrently I have "wine-4.0 (Debian 4.0-2)" installed22:03
WafficusI don't depend upon it at all, so I'm ok with uninstalling and trying the wine-development instead22:04
gnarfaceoh22:05
gnarfacealso fyi22:06
gnarfacewine msiexec /i whatever-filename.msi22:06
gnarfaceor22:06
gnarfacewine start whatever-filename.msi22:06
gnarfaceaccording to askubuntu.com22:06
gnarfaceWINEARCH="win64" WINEPREFIX=/path/to/wineprefix wine msiexec /i /path/to/filename.msi22:07
gnarfacesomething like that maybe22:07
gnarfaceWafficus: ^22:07
Wafficusyep I just found that too22:07
Wafficus*command22:07
WafficusI'm getting a "0009:err:mscoree:LoadLIbraryShim error reading registry key for installroot"22:08
Wafficuswhen doing: wine msiexec /i jami.release.x64.msi22:08
gnarfacethat's with wine or wine-development?22:08
Wafficuswine-development22:08
gnarfacehmmm22:08
WafficusI wonder if I have to do it as root22:08
gnarfaceno no22:08
gnarfaceyou should not have to do that22:08
gnarfaceyou might need to run winecfg to change the windows version or something though22:08
gnarfaceor install some non-free libraries from winetricks22:09
gnarfaceor go to wine-staging which is at version 5.2122:09
gnarfaceor higher22:09
gnarfacerunning wine as root will jack up your wineprefix permissions and break other stuff, don't do it22:10
gnarface*do* run winecfg and look over the settings just to be familiar with them22:11
gnarfaceyou will often need to at least change the default windows version it reports itself as22:11
Wafficushmm I see22:17
Wafficushmm maybe i should just look for something else that works for video but is privacy minded22:19
WafficusI hate how cross-platform just doesn't work outta the box though22:19
Wafficusreally annoying for someone like me that wants to just do a video call but doesn't wanna get spied on22:19
gnarfaceyea that's whack22:19
Wafficusanyway, but yeah I'll do some more research22:19
gnarfacehave you checked their own support forums/channels about it?22:19
Wafficusthanks for the help so far22:19
Wafficusyeah idk, haven't tried that route22:20
gnarfacemaybe a known issue there22:20
gnarfacethe real question is what their excuse is22:20
Wafficusworth a shot to look on their GitHub issue page22:20
gnarfacethere's other stuff you can use22:20
gnarfaceif it's just for 2 people all you need is ssh and ffmpeg22:20
gnarfaceor vlc22:20
WafficusI tried Jami, and Jitsi Meet so far, its been a mess22:20
Wafficuswell the other person is an older relative using Windows 1022:21
Wafficusso that's the part that makes it hard honestly22:21
Wafficustrying to teach my Mom how to use ssh and ffmpeg would be a feat imo22:21
Wafficusbut I hear what you're saying22:21
gnarfacewell, in theory you could provide a vlc one-liner to someone on any platform vlc supports22:21
Wafficusif I lived closer, man, I could easily just setup a Linux box for this kind of thing, that's what sucks, I don't22:21
WafficusI didn't know you could use VLC to do video chats though22:21
Wafficusinteresting22:21
gnarfaceyea it can do video capture and webcams and streaming22:22
n4diras long the mother is fine with the command line and ssh is setup, there is not much to learn about, is there?22:22
gnarfaceand if you're really careful about the settings and have enough bandwidth, it can do all that at once22:22
fsmithredwhat do you do, run 'ssh -X' and then run vlc on the remote?22:23
gnarfacefsmithred: vlc should support https streaming directly22:24
gnarfacefsmithred: (among other things)22:24
fsmithredso you need to set up a web server?22:24
gnarfaceno22:24
gnarfaceit has an embedded web server22:24
gnarfaceyou would just need to set up port forwarding on your router22:24
fsmithredwow22:24
gnarfacethat's not the only streaming protocol it supports22:24
gnarfaceit has a lot of features actually22:25
Wafficuslol even port forwarding involved22:25
Wafficuseven for someone like me22:25
WafficusI could only imagine the amount of struggle to try to tell someone what to do with port forwarding22:25
Wafficusjust being real with you22:25
gnarfacethe only real problem is it's not smart enough to stop you from trying codecs and transport combinations that are invalid, so you just have to know what combinations actually work22:25
gnarfacethe host wouldn't have to be on their end22:25
gnarfaceso it's not like your clients would need to mess with THEIR routers, necessarily22:26
gnarfacebut obviously for this to work P2P *someone* has to accept an incoming connection22:26
Wafficuswell, i'll be honest22:26
WafficusI want the easiest possible solution22:26
Wafficusthat doesn't spy on me, and is cross platform22:26
Wafficusso far I've tried Jami and Jitsi Meet22:26
WafficusJitsi does not work well in Firefox in both Linux and Windows22:27
Wafficuseven when she tried it in Ungoogled Chromium, it didn't work on Windows either22:27
gnarfacetry avoiding web-based stuff22:27
fsmithredyeah, I use chromium for jitsi meetings22:27

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